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(Telegraph)   Monopoly voted "best value" game by a bunch of kids who don't know all their two-letter words, consistently waste their blanks and the S, and take too long to make a move   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 397
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2009-12-08 04:48:45 PM  
Sapper_Topo: This:
Oh, and for the Ameritrash haters: Risk 2210 kicks ass, I don't care what you say.

I just took a look at 2210, and I think I might have to get that! Although I ight get scared as the map looks like a very prophetic look at the future of our planet... But yeah gonna have to buy that shiat.


It has tons of fun stuff - nukes, moon invasions, commanders, space stations... but ultimately, that's all window-dressing for the real feature of Risk 2210: no cashing in cards for units, and a 5-turn time-limit.
 
2009-12-08 04:48:53 PM  
NEEEEEERDS!!!!
www.relaxlet.com
Luck, chance, choice and gravity.
 
2009-12-08 04:49:48 PM  
A Classic
http://tinyurl.com/y9xa527
(copy and paste)
 
MIU
2009-12-08 04:50:44 PM  
Monopoly is a terrible, terrible game.
 
2009-12-08 04:50:48 PM  
This: Oh, I have an assload of these "$10 off" coupons from cereal boxes. They can be used for any Hasbro/Parker Brothers/Cranium boardgame... saddly no Mattel, or I'd pick up Blokus.

Unfortunately, the Avalon Hill subsidiary is not included.

Anybody got any recommendations for the "family boardgame" crap pile? So far the new Risk Revised (mission-based Risk) and Connect 4x4 (connect4 remade as a complicated 4-player game) look good.


Depending on the weirdness of your family I would recommend Zombies!. It is simply to learn, yet fun, especially when you get the cards that let you repopulate the board with zombies to screw over your loved ones.
 
2009-12-08 04:55:25 PM  
jedder: *Stratego Pic*

Way more fun.


WIN!

Seriously, this game is great!
 
2009-12-08 04:56:27 PM  
gorgor: A Classic
http://tinyurl.com/y9xa527
(copy and paste)


No thread is safe from the gorgor, but I kind of want that came. Maybe they could do a new Operation game with specialists. Gorgor you got a proctology themed operation pic at your fingertips?
 
2009-12-08 04:56:54 PM  
I loved monopoly as a kid, but honestly if you have the mental ability and time to play monopoly you should teach your kids to play Axis and Allies instead.
 
2009-12-08 04:58:35 PM  
monopoly is a terrible game. whoever voted for it obviously has never played apples to apples, st. petersburg, ticket to ride, or settlers of catan.
 
2009-12-08 04:59:18 PM  
Came for the Settlers and Puerto Rico references, and man this thread has delivered, in spades.

Some really good games which I don't think have been mentioned yet:

Acquire (I still can't believe this gem is from the 1960s!)
Age of Steam (ah, trains)
Twilight Struggle (the Cold War in a box!)

But for all that I love Euros, nothing can quite top Scrabble.
 
2009-12-08 05:00:01 PM  
murfshay22: jedder: *Stratego Pic*

Way more fun.

WIN!

Seriously, this game is great!


Did some quick digging. The new "stratego revised" version looks like this:

images.boardgamegeek.com

It replaces the old civil war theme with a high fantasy theme, and gives every unit special powers.

At my first reaction is that it was designed by a teenager.

I just did some digging. It's adapted from the rules made for the LOTR Stratego, which was made by Reinier Knizia.

That means it's good.

It also is backwards-compatible, so you can play the old rules if you like.
 
2009-12-08 05:01:48 PM  
hamdingers: Gamer Grrrl: Oh by the way, I have this beauty at home, and last I checked, it still works:

I-I-that's Dark Tower! And you have it!

All I have is ... a sad.

/The memories. I do have Stop Thief! ... but it's not the same.


Actually, there's a very cool Dark Tower flash game (new window). It even has the awesome sound effects (which were half the fun). :)

Ika7734: Gamer Grrrl: Oh by the way, I have this beauty at home, and last I checked, it still works:

My mom cleaned out my old room at their place and gave it away.

I almost cried.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2009-12-08 05:02:50 PM  
EvilEgg: The game of monopoly is all but decided in the first three trips around the board. After that it is just drawn out tedium for the losers so the winner can stroke his ego.

This. I haven't played in years and if I could give today's kids one piece of advice it would be "don't ever waste your time playing Monopoly". And also "get laid at every opportunity" but that's a different story.
 
2009-12-08 05:02:50 PM  
tasthesose2: Maybe they could do a new Operation game with specialists.

I personally preferred the ob/gyn variant.

/with a willing patient
//c'mon, who here never played doctor?
 
2009-12-08 05:03:05 PM  
FishyFred: My least favorite thing about Monopoly is its inaccurate portrayal of city planning. Seriously, who the fark builds a square with nothing in the middle?

Free Parking
 
2009-12-08 05:05:11 PM  
eddyatwork: One of my favorite tactics is to quietly tuck the money I get under the title deeds, leaving about a third showing openly.

Why leave any showing.

A couple years ago, I was playing with my sister and my cousin. My sister needed to unload a property (one of the oranges, IIRC) to make enough money to pay rent. She decided to offer it up to my other sister and I as an auction to the highest bidder. My cousing had the other two orange properties, so my sister figured that I'd fight hard to prevent the monopoly, and my cousin would try hard to complete the monopoly.

In the end, I think the property went to my cousin for $3,001, beating my bid of $3,000.

I only had enough cash to pay about $1200 for the property. Because I never let them see how much money I had, my cousin didn't know this.
 
2009-12-08 05:07:32 PM  
Myth84: I am saddened by the lack of any non-Ameriatrash games on this thread.

Railroad Tycoon, Steam, Agricola, La Havre, Power Grid, Puerto Rico... There are hundreds of games out there that don't rely on the randomness of dice to dictate the game. They're fun and use a lot of serious strategy in them.

And yet, almost no one in the US has ever heard of Settlers of Catan, one of the most popular board games in the world.


You sound like a drone in the BGG hive mind.
 
2009-12-08 05:08:57 PM  
tasthesose2: Gorgor you got a proctology themed operation pic at your fingertips?

*snert*
 
2009-12-08 05:09:11 PM  
Also, what Monopoly reminds me of these days:

i38.photobucket.com

/obscure? Nothing's too obscure for Fark.
 
2009-12-08 05:09:23 PM  
GreySpectre: monopoly is a terrible game. whoever voted for it obviously has never played apples to apples, st. petersburg, ticket to ride, or settlers of catan.

Apples to Apples is great simply because its level of adult content is determined solely by who is playing.

Then again, we have some custom cards that we have to remove from the deck whenever we have kids playing the game.
 
2009-12-08 05:09:54 PM  
SkySnake: I'll take Settlers of Catan anyday!

Cities and Knights, please!
 
2009-12-08 05:11:28 PM  
It's nice to kids playing REAL games instead of a bunch of electronic bullshiat!
 
2009-12-08 05:14:30 PM  
FishyFred: Seriously, who the fark builds a square with nothing in the middle?

Mr. & Mrs. Limbaugh
 
2009-12-08 05:14:41 PM  
Gamer Grrrl: Oh by the way, I have this beauty at home, and last I checked, it still works:

Work has images blocked, and yet I knew exactly what you were talking about.

/mine works too
//fark you and your wizard curse!
 
2009-12-08 05:16:31 PM  
FishyFred: Sapper_Topo: Give me Risk any day of the week! Although I do like Scrabble and Monopoly for family game night, Risk is hands down my favorite to play with friends. Why yes I am a big dork thanks for asking!!

Risk breaks friendships. Period.


Nah, Diplomacy breaks friendships. Risk just makes people suicide into their least hated person at the table to end it.
 
2009-12-08 05:17:01 PM  
No love for Pente? I loved that game. I really need to buy another copy if I can find one.

On the Hungry Hungry Hippos front, Walgreens currently has a version, except it's dogs. Hungry Hungry Dogs. Just throwing that out there.

Last thought-where does Connect Four fit on the board games flowchart? When I was small, one of my cousins had it and that was the only game he would play. I hate Connect Four. It's nothing but Tic Tac Toe played vertically.
 
2009-12-08 05:17:14 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com
/drop it like it's hot
 
2009-12-08 05:17:28 PM  
Gamer Grrrl: Oh by the way, I have this beauty at home, and last I checked, it still works:

Doot. Doot. Doooodooo. :(

Doot. Doot. Doooodooo. :(

Doot. Doot. Doodooot! :)
 
2009-12-08 05:18:38 PM  
americanmusclegear.com
 
2009-12-08 05:18:42 PM  
KingKauff: averagejoe42: /RAGE!

The onlyl game I've almost gotten into fights over.


Never played Risk eh?
 
2009-12-08 05:19:08 PM  
www.darwinsgamecloset.com

Oh yeah!
 
2009-12-08 05:19:39 PM  
Myth84: I am saddened by the lack of any non-Ameriatrash games on this thread.

Railroad Tycoon, Steam, Agricola, La Havre, Power Grid, Puerto Rico... There are hundreds of games out there that don't rely on the randomness of dice to dictate the game. They're fun and use a lot of serious strategy in them.

And yet, almost no one in the US has ever heard of Settlers of Catan, one of the most popular board games in the world.


I play in a group that meets every other week to play obscure (European is a misnomer) games. Played every game on your list except La Havre. We also play some silly games like Munchkin, Red Dragon Inn, or Cosmic Encounter.

Take heart: In the last year Settlers of Catan, Carcosonne and Munchkin have both been put into the games display at Barnes and Nobel stores. I almost wept openly...
 
2009-12-08 05:20:27 PM  
coxdebate: [xkcd scrabble]
/drop it like it's hot


the obvious play there is LICTORS making HIC with the C. But if you had to play an 8 letter word TROCHILS is also available.
 
2009-12-08 05:21:10 PM  
Slaves2Darkness: Around here it is Arkham Horror, with all the expansions, any May Fair rail game, we have them all, Last Night on Earth, or Star Farers of Catan.

I'm giveing Mah Jong to my sister for Christmass and Red Dragon Inn to my brother-in-law.

Oh and I taught my 4 year old nephew how to play Survive!, an old Parker Brothers game that is relatively simple, because the little guy wanted to game badly. I just could not stand any of the kids games, like Hi! Ho! Cheerio!, Candy Land, or Chutes and Ladders. I meant there is no strategy to little kids games it is all just luck and cutesy gimmicks.


Red Dragon Inn 2 is out; adds four more decks so you can have up to eight players.
 
2009-12-08 05:21:13 PM  
WrestlerManager: FishyFred: Seriously, who the fark builds a square with nothing in the middle?

Mr. & Mrs. Limbaugh

I have boxed up and sent you one whole innernets, you sure are the winner!
 
2009-12-08 05:21:48 PM  
Nyarpy: Sorry, no. You forgot Go To Jail, rolling doubles three times, and being moved by Chance and Community Chest cards.

Try to solve this: Project Euler Problem 84


(This is for where you would finish your turn)
"Statistically it can be shown that the three most popular squares, in order, are JAIL (6.24%) = Square 10, E3 (3.18%) = Square 24, and GO (3.09%) = Square 00."

Hmm, I'm consistently getting Jail = Square 10, Pacific Avenue = Square 31, and Illinois Avenue = Square 24.

(
[Jail] => 3082 (no distinction between In Jail and Just Visiting)
[Pacific Avenue] => 1592
[Illinois Avenue] => 1549
[New York Avenue] => 1506
[Reading Railroad] => 1470
[Go] => 1430
[St James Place] => 1389
[Marvin Gardens] => 1355
[Tennessee Avenue] => 1340
[Indiana Avenue] => 1336
[Boardwalk] => 1333
[Kentucky Avenue] => 1318
[Pennsylvania Railroad] => 1307
[Electric Company] => 1302
[Free Parking] => 1302
[Atlantic Avenue] => 1289
[B&O Railroad] => 1262
[Water Works] => 1248
[Ventnor Avenue] => 1220
[Virginia Avenue] => 1203
[Community Chest 2] => 1187
[States Avenue] => 1183
[Vermont Avenue] => 1177
[Short Line] => 1171
[Connecticut Avenue] => 1167
[Income Tax] => 1154
[Pennsylvania Avenue] => 1131
[Community Chest 3] => 1125
[North Carolina Avenue] => 1106
[Luxury Tax] => 1079
[Park Place] => 1061
[St Charles Place] => 1057
[Mediterranean] => 1028
[Baltic Avenue] => 1024
[Oriental Avenue] => 1019
[Community chest 1] => 904
[Chance 2] => 499
[Chance 3] => 428
[Chance 1] => 383
[Go to Jail] => 0
)

With 4-sided dice, I get Jail, Penna RR, and Pacific Ave, which would be 101531.

I'll play with it some other time.

Thanks for the link, though.
 
2009-12-08 05:23:20 PM  
Oh man.. I loved Crossbows and Catapults. So many ways to get yelled at playing that game.
We wrapped those things with so many rubberbands the little discs would dent the ceiling
and break ribs. There was also an epic siege variant where one guy got all the bricks and
built the castle at the top of the stairs. It helped that we saved up to order extra bricks..
boy that was fun.

I liked car wars back then, too. Ah.. graph paper, is there a use for you that isn't nerdy?

Nowadays, catan is great.. and zombies is pretty good too, until the fourth time that my
jackass brother gets us all killed and no one gets to the helicopter before the beer runs out.

'Hey! That's My Fish' is pretty great for younger players, and is fun for adults, too.
I guess it's what you'd call a "family game".

I tried playing Warhammer with a 9 year old relative and couldn't take it. He was spazzing
all over the place, knocking down trees, snapping arms off of orcs, handfuls of dice
flying everywhere but the table. Stressed me out, man.

And Monopoly? I won't even go in the house if someone has that out. Also, you haven't
really lived till you've played Scrabble on E.

Back in the early 80's my dope smoking uncles were really into "Waterworks".


how's that for post-lunch mental vomitry?
 
2009-12-08 05:25:00 PM  
Has anybody pointed out this is a UK link, and we all know Brits can't spell?

Also, for plays per dollar, the winner is:


oscar.allgamer.com

/hot like a 3 minute game
 
2009-12-08 05:25:41 PM  
I guess it was the way my parents raised us, but whenever we had a family monopoly game, we never used the "just visiting" function of the jail square. The concept of visiting jail never made sense, because we weren't the type of people to have relatives in jail, and if they were in jail, they'd be excommunicated from the family. It was a bit of a shock actually to later find out that there was a "just visiting" function of the jail square.
 
2009-12-08 05:27:57 PM  
Wow, so many board gamers around here...who knew.

For all those who enjoy Settlers of Catan, allow me to give a shout out to Catan, the card game. The wife and I always have trouble finding a 3rd/4th/etc. for Settlers, so in desperation I picked up Catan (it's strictly a 2-player game). It's actually really good, not as much interaction with your opponent as in the boardgame, but has a lot of similarity and strategy all its own.

Also, for anyone looking to branch out beyond Monopoly/Risk/etc., or looking to drag relatives and friends beyond that level, I highly recommend Pandemic. It's the one game in my arsenal that casual non-board gamers ask to play. Cooperative, but with a lot of tension and drama.

/and for whoever asked earlier, the new Cosmic Encounter kicks ass, as good as the old Mayfair edition
 
2009-12-08 05:28:04 PM  
let's have a real-life adjustment to monopoly;

Everyone starts with 50$ and a mortgage on their education that requires them to pay 5$ each time they pass Go, when they collect not 200$, but 20$. All the properties are already owned and have one house on them. Every round, one random property is upgraded by one step.

Chance, community chest, and the railroads are high-rise office tower where, if you land, you get to up your 'salary' by 2$ per lap. Limit 50 turns before the office towers start reversing your salary by half the amount. No more than 100 laps per game.

Objective - Buy a house, or end the game with a positive amount of money and no debts.
 
2009-12-08 05:28:21 PM  
Fano: Oh yeah!

IT BURNS!
http://tinyurl.com/yfk6rzb
(copy and paste, NSFW)
 
2009-12-08 05:30:00 PM  
jimpoz: With 4-sided dice, I get Jail, Penna RR, and Pacific Ave, which would be 101531.

I'll play with it some other time.

Thanks for the link, though.


Nope. Jail and Penn RR is right. Pacific is not third, though.
 
2009-12-08 05:32:34 PM  
thewitchking: This: dave_dfwm: Any other games just don't seem to matter...

Get the new revised version of Risk with the arrows on it. The game has new rules that replace the "mass troops using cards" gameplay. Instead, it's all about completing missions. The game is shorter, tighter, and has less armies of 100 units.

thewitchking: While I would never turn down a good game of Settlers. My vote is for Cosmic Encounters.

THIS. The perfect middleground between Eurogame and Ameritrash. Anybody know if the Fantasy Flight games release is good? I played the Mayfair version, which is an acid-trip of a game... I hear the Avalon Hill game went too far in the reverse direction and removed a lot of the more insane powers and cards (and cut the player-count to 4).

I have the old version that came in the blue box (can't find apic in google for the life of me). I played the newer version and wasn't impressed. Definitely get yourself one of the old releases.

We sometimes play double powers. I'm not allowed to get the Judge and Virus/Macron is FTW!

Cosmic Encounter: When you want to get drunk and play a game that will guarantee SOMEONE will be leaving the table with a black eye.


I love the heck out of some Cosmic Encounters.

Brought this to a party once and everyone looked at me with a "WTF is this geek doing?" look. Convinced a few to play. Within an hour the entire party ground to a halt as virtually everyone was crowded around the table, laughing and watching us play.

The best comment I heard was "It's like Risk and UNO got together and took LSD!!!"
 
2009-12-08 05:34:06 PM  
There are lots of strategies to win at monopoly, but if you play by the actual rules (as few do, noted above) you will find that the person who knocks out the first player is always almost the one who wins the game.

Therefore you want to go for a "knockout punch" -- get a monopoly which you can develop at a good bang for the buck -- preferably the red or oranges. Don't be afraid to give up a green or boardwalk monopoly to get it. People will think they are getting the better of you but you can get enough cash from them also that they can't build right away and you can.

Then, only hang on to enough cash to survive one bad landing -- cash is nearly useless in the late game. Mortgage everything so you can to build at least 3 houses on each property. Then hope you knockout the weakest player.

This is essentially the "seven hands" approach that is used in texas hold 'em, in that if you use this against casual players, you'll win 80% of the time.

/ yes I know, pathetic monopoly nerd
 
2009-12-08 05:36:47 PM  
Fano: Oh yeah!

Bah you beat me to it, nice!
 
2009-12-08 05:37:57 PM  
farm4.static.flickr.com

hard to beat when it comes to the destructive nature of young boys
 
2009-12-08 05:38:14 PM  
gorgor: I'm stealing ur money while u pee.

Nuh uh. 'Cause I'm peeing in your Mt Dew under the table.
 
2009-12-08 05:42:10 PM  
rubi_con_man: let's have a real-life adjustment to monopoly;

Depressing but pretty damn accurate for anyone born after 1965 or so.
 
2009-12-08 05:42:19 PM  
eddyatwork: People hate playing Monopoly with me.
 
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