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(SanDiegoUnionTribune)   Now that everyone in California understands the importance of conserving energy, a judge approves the electric company's plan to raise rates for those who conserve and lower them for those who don't. Welcome to Bizarro California   (signonsandiego.com) divider line 102
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2009-12-08 04:26:11 AM  
I'm sure another energy company will realize this monopolistic shiatty idea and create a company of their own and take all the customers away from this ridiculous company and its idea.
 
2009-12-08 04:27:21 AM  
Ender's: I'm sure another energy company will realize this monopolistic shiatty idea and create a company of their own and take all the customers away from this ridiculous company and its idea.

Yeah.

How in the hell are you able to type if you are that hopped up on heroin?
 
2009-12-08 04:53:33 AM  
So, it's like buying electricity in bulk?
 
2009-12-08 05:03:23 AM  
Cubansaltyballs: Yeah.

How in the hell are you able to type if you are that hopped up on heroin?


Pretty smarmy coming from a terrorist rapist.
 
2009-12-08 05:04:48 AM  
I love the line:

SDG&E spokeswoman Jennifer Ramp said Pulsifer's proposal strikes the right balance.

"If it's approved, it will allow California utilities to more fairly allocate rates," she said.


I knew that things tended to be on the weird side when I moved to SoCal a couple of years ago, but raising my rates because I barely use any electricity in the name of "fairness" is just another reason for me to not laugh when someone calls it "The peoples republic of california."

Under the proposal, an inland SDG&E customer using 500 kilowatt-hours would see monthly bills go up $2.66 to about $75.41; a neighbor using twice as much power would see a decrease of $4 to about $230, but still would have a bill more than three times as expensive.

Duh. They are using three times more electricity!

My electric bill for the past 4 months has been around $30 and some change (total) and December should be practically nothing because I'm not there this month. Not really because I'm conserving energy, but because I don't have a lot of crap. I have my laptop, my monitor, my speakers, and my fridge. It sounds boring, but I don't need a television and rarely even have to turn on the lights. Granted the amount that my cost would be raised is pretty trivial, but at the end of the year that is a case or two of beer that I will be out. Don't fark with my beer money.
 
2009-12-08 05:06:38 AM  
cyberworm: Under the proposal, an inland SDG&E customer using 500 kilowatt-hours would see monthly bills go up $2.66 to about $75.41; a neighbor using twice as much power would see a decrease of $4 to about $230, but still would have a bill more than three times as expensive.

Duh. They are using three times more electricity!


D'oh!. sorry. I'm hopped up on cold medicine, but the rest of my post still stands.
 
2009-12-08 05:08:19 AM  
In all honesty, it sounds like a completely socialized problem (i.e. their solution) which can be beaten by capitalism by any smart energy industrialist. That is if the government doesn't cripple them in the name of "fairness".
 
2009-12-08 05:12:23 AM  
Ender's: In all honesty, it sounds like a completely socialized problem (i.e. their solution) which can be beaten by capitalism by any smart energy industrialist. That is if the government doesn't cripple them in the name of "fairness".

That would be great if it were an open market. As it is now it's a monopoly. As an apartment dweller putting solar panels on the roof isn't an option.
 
2009-12-08 05:12:52 AM  
Ender's: Cubansaltyballs: Yeah.

How in the hell are you able to type if you are that hopped up on heroin?

Pretty smarmy coming from a terrorist rapist.


I dont rape terrorists. They all smell like dirt that's been farked by a hobo.
 
2009-12-08 05:20:04 AM  
Cubansaltyballs: I dont rape terrorists. They all smell like dirt that's been farked by a hobo.

What about rape-rape?
 
2009-12-08 05:36:36 AM  
Cubansaltyballs: I dont rape terrorists. They all smell like dirt that's been farked by a hobo.

Still smarmy.
 
2009-12-08 06:58:38 AM  
Make it a state owned enterprise, charge a flat "Maintenance Fee", then charge for the power. Duh.
 
2009-12-08 07:02:37 AM  
Charginh the smug more? Fine by me.
 
2009-12-08 07:05:04 AM  
ptelg: Make it a state owned enterprise, charge a flat "Maintenance Fee", then charge for the power. Duh.

And watch people jump off the grid, requiring even higher "maintenance fees" for the remainder.
 
2009-12-08 07:18:40 AM  
That is so obviously retarded.. I am never moving to Cali. Screw the nice weather.
 
2009-12-08 07:26:39 AM  
What the hell? How much did they bribe the judge with?
 
2009-12-08 07:52:17 AM  
Just one more reason I'm never moving to that state.
 
2009-12-08 07:52:48 AM  
Wow, just a massive amount of retards here on Fark this morning. Do you people not even read the farking article?

The changes are the result of a state law passed this fall that thawed a rate freeze imposed during the 2000-2001 energy crisis. The law allows the lowest rates to increase between 3 percent and 5 percent a year, depending on inflation, and lets companies use the extra money to reduce the higher rates.

The law was in response to changes since 2001, when emergency legislation capped the rates for people using less than 130 percent of the so-called baseline, or subsistence, amount of electricity, and shifted all potential rate increases onto people who use more.

At the time, the difference was small. The lowest SDG&E residential rate was 13 cents a kilowatt-hour, and the highest was 15.

But electricity has become more expensive to produce or buy since then - in part because the state is requiring more use of power from the sun and the wind, which is costlier to deliver.

So while the lowest rate is still 13 cents, the highest is 33 cents.



So, in essence those who use the least are not paying the cost to deliver the energy, because of some all ready weird ass law. This is just a patch on pile of fail, but it is not unfair, outrageous, or even out of line.

Sorry Fark, but your rightous indignation and wharrgllbarggl against power companies is out of line.
 
2009-12-08 08:17:01 AM  
Welcome to Bizarro California

Is there another kind?
 
2009-12-08 08:41:43 AM  
I'd like to see the ratio of customers who will have their bill increased to those who will have their bill decreased.
 
2009-12-08 08:59:29 AM  
This wouldn't be a problem at all if the racist, teabaggers who feel entitled to unlimited cheap earth killing energy would all move to Texas. We're trying to save the planet here, If you're on board, you'll benefit, if not, you pay!
 
2009-12-08 09:01:34 AM  
Alt_Login: This wouldn't be a problem at all if the racist, teabaggers who feel entitled to unlimited cheap earth killing energy would all move to Texas. We're trying to save the planet here, If you're on board, you'll benefit, if not, you pay!

100% backward 0/10
 
2009-12-08 09:04:13 AM  
FTFA: 2X usage = 3X the price.

Is everyone innumerate?
 
2009-12-08 09:17:50 AM  
Wow, who would've thought this could happen in the greatest nation of the universe.

Remember folks, God picked you because you're special.
 
2009-12-08 09:18:21 AM  
ptelg: Make it a state owned enterprise, charge a flat "Maintenance Fee", then charge for the power. Duh.

Yeah, because that worked out so well on Long Island with LIPA...
 
2009-12-08 09:32:07 AM  
So it will be just like the "Cash for Clunkers" or the new appliance replacement program the government has been talking about? Nothing better than rewarding the irresponsible.
 
2009-12-08 09:33:21 AM  
Uhh...this is basic business. Marginal rates need to be adjusted for the cost of production. Power is heavily regulated in CA and requires gov't intervention to make this happen.

Not complicated or outrage worthy.
 
2009-12-08 09:39:23 AM  
Just do what I do: Get your energy needs from endangered species. My little Ford gets 34 miles to the Panda Cub
 
2009-12-08 09:42:25 AM  
people, how any times do i have to repeat this. it's not about what's fair. it's about getting richer.
 
2009-12-08 09:44:11 AM  
The Angry Hand of God: So it will be just like the "Cash for Clunkers" or the new appliance replacement program the government has been talking about? Nothing better than rewarding the irresponsible.


If you burn twice the electricity in California, you'll pay 3 times the price. That isn't rewarding the irresponsible.

Is everyone hypnotized by the headline? Twice the usage costs three times as much. That's a PENALTY not a benefit. The people complaining about a higher bill at the lower end wanted an even bigger benefit but didn't get it. It's called "whining." They're still paying less per kilowatt that people who burn more.
 
2009-12-08 09:46:45 AM  
Subby is either an idiot or a masterful troll. Like the article points out, this is a minor adjustment of both ends of the price scale that still leaves the high-usage rates much higher than the low-usage rates.
 
2009-12-08 09:46:55 AM  
Under the proposal, an inland SDG&E customer using 500 kilowatt-hours would see monthly bills go up $2.66 to about $75.41; a neighbor using twice as much power would see a decrease of $4 to about $230, but still would have a bill more than three times as expensive.

Subby FAIL - rate is still much higher for energy hogs.
 
2009-12-08 09:56:01 AM  
yakmans_dad: The Angry Hand of God: So it will be just like the "Cash for Clunkers" or the new appliance replacement program the government has been talking about? Nothing better than rewarding the irresponsible.


If you burn twice the electricity in California, you'll pay 3 times the price. That isn't rewarding the irresponsible.

Is everyone hypnotized by the headline? Twice the usage costs three times as much. That's a PENALTY not a benefit. The people complaining about a higher bill at the lower end wanted an even bigger benefit but didn't get it. It's called "whining." They're still paying less per kilowatt that people who burn more.

The California Public Utilities Commission is poised to approve a proposal by San Diego Gas & Electric Co. to raise rates by 5 percent for people who use the least electricity and lower them between 4 percent and 5 percent for people who use the most.


So who is being rewarded again?
 
2009-12-08 09:57:27 AM  
Slaves2Darkness: So, in essence those who use the least are not paying the cost to deliver the energy, because of some all ready weird ass law. This is just a patch on pile of fail, but it is not unfair, outrageous, or even out of line.

Sorry Fark, but your rightous indignation and wharrgllbarggl against power companies is out of line.


That's what I got out of it too, those who use the least are still being rewarded for that, just not as much.
 
2009-12-08 09:59:06 AM  
Stay classy San Diego.

/got nothin'
 
2009-12-08 10:13:28 AM  
yakmans_dad: The Angry Hand of God: So it will be just like the "Cash for Clunkers" or the new appliance replacement program the government has been talking about? Nothing better than rewarding the irresponsible.


If you burn twice the electricity in California, you'll pay 3 times the price. That isn't rewarding the irresponsible.

Is everyone hypnotized by the headline? Twice the usage costs three times as much. That's a PENALTY not a benefit. The people complaining about a higher bill at the lower end wanted an even bigger benefit but didn't get it. It's called "whining." They're still paying less per kilowatt that people who burn more.


English is not your first language, is it??

The California Public Utilities Commission is poised to approve a proposal by San Diego Gas & Electric Co. to raise rates by 5 percent for people who use the least electricity and lower them between 4 percent and 5 percent for people who use the most.
 
2009-12-08 10:13:34 AM  
cyberworm: I love the line:

SDG&E spokeswoman Jennifer Ramp said Pulsifer's proposal strikes the right balance.

"If it's approved, it will allow California utilities to more fairly allocate rates," she said.


I knew that things tended to be on the weird side when I moved to SoCal a couple of years ago, but raising my rates because I barely use any electricity in the name of "fairness" is just another reason for me to not laugh when someone calls it "The peoples republic of california."

Under the proposal, an inland SDG&E customer using 500 kilowatt-hours would see monthly bills go up $2.66 to about $75.41; a neighbor using twice as much power would see a decrease of $4 to about $230, but still would have a bill more than three times as expensive.

Duh. They are using three times more electricity!

My electric bill for the past 4 months has been around $30 and some change (total) and December should be practically nothing because I'm not there this month. Not really because I'm conserving energy, but because I don't have a lot of crap. I have my laptop, my monitor, my speakers, and my fridge. It sounds boring, but I don't need a television and rarely even have to turn on the lights. Granted the amount that my cost would be raised is pretty trivial, but at the end of the year that is a case or two of beer that I will be out. Don't fark with my beer money.


Oh yeah....I live in a studio apartment. I don't own any lamps and unscrewed all the light bulbs. I don't own a TV or computer. I unplugged the fridge. I unplugged the microwave and the stove so the clock doesn't use any electricity. I unplugged the air compressor, water heater and turned the thermostat off. I sleep on the outside porch using my 12 cats for a blanket. I shower when the sprinklers come on in the morning and wash my clothes at the same time.
I just break into my neighbor's apartment to post to Fark everyday.

/am i doing this right?
 
2009-12-08 10:15:15 AM  
Ender's: In all honesty, it sounds like a completely socialized problem (i.e. their solution) which can be beaten by capitalism by any smart energy industrialist. That is if the government doesn't cripple them in the name of "fairness".

Do you mean... that it's Obama's fault!?!

/arrrgggghhhHH!!!!!!

Slaves2Darkness: Wow, just a massive amount of retards here on Fark this morning. Do you people not even read the farking article?

Sorry Fark, but your rightous indignation and wharrgllbarggl against power companies is out of line.


You're new around here, aren't you?

lemmesplain....

No, nobody reads the farking article.

Righteous indignation and wharrggllbarrglll are always accepted behaviors.
 
2009-12-08 10:36:28 AM  
nicksteel:
English is not your first language, is it??

The California Public Utilities Commission is poised to approve a proposal by San Diego Gas & Electric Co. to raise rates by 5 percent for people who use the least electricity and lower them between 4 percent and 5 percent for people who use the most.




Math's not your strong suit, is it??

If TFA's numbers are correct, 500-KWH/month user pays $0.1455 per KWH now. This will go up to $0.15082 per KWH. A 1000-KWH/month user pays $0.234 per KWH now. This will go down to $0.230 per KWH. The rates were already set up to charge more per unit of power for customers who consume more. They still are with the proposed changes.
 
2009-12-08 10:37:27 AM  
Alt_Login: This wouldn't be a problem at all if the racist, teabaggers who feel entitled to unlimited cheap earth killing energy would all move to Texas. We're trying to save the planet here, If you're on board, you'll benefit, if not, you pay!

meh

not even worth getting riled up for

hey, at least they won't have to buy any power from us texans again
 
2009-12-08 10:39:35 AM  
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Just do what I do: Get your energy needs from endangered species. My little Ford gets 34 miles to the Panda Cub

have you tried the brown bear instead?
 
2009-12-08 10:53:08 AM  
now there's an incentive to run four 1000w HPS lights in your basement!
 
2009-12-08 11:03:28 AM  
I still haven't seen an explanation by the capitalism haters why charging residential users the same price per kWh is unfair.

Care to elaborate?
 
2009-12-08 11:08:03 AM  
loonatic112358: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Just do what I do: Get your energy needs from endangered species. My little Ford gets 34 miles to the Panda Cub

have you tried the brown bear instead?


Can't experiment too much. Car is too simple. I've only got the bear necessities.
 
2009-12-08 11:11:02 AM  
The politicians who support the green initiatives do not care about the environment. They want to gain more control over you and take more of your money. Look at the hypocrites in Copenhagen. Look at how AlGore lives. They don't give a shiat. They just want taxes and power. You sheep who play along are merely useful pawns.
 
2009-12-08 11:13:27 AM  
chi_tino: I still haven't seen an explanation by the capitalism haters why charging residential users the same price per kWh is unfair.

Care to elaborate?


I don't understand either. Why is power so expensive? If I broke my contract for $.125/kWh I could easily sign up for rates as low as $.080/kWh. My rate stays the same no matter how much or how little I use. Gasoline does the same thing. I dare you people to ask the clerk for a discount because you bought 100 gallons instead of the usual 15.
 
2009-12-08 11:15:38 AM  
Nemo's Brother: The politicians who support the green initiatives do not care about the environment. They want to gain more control over you and take more of your money. Look at the hypocrites in Copenhagen. Look at how AlGore lives. They don't give a shiat. They just want taxes and power. You sheep who play along are merely useful pawns.

Considering that what you just claimed is how most politicians live anyways, what is wrong with supporting green politicians?
 
2009-12-08 11:20:26 AM  
yakmans_dad : FTFA: 2X usage = 3X the price.

What's even dumber is that they don't account for the number of people living in a household.

When my roomate was here, the electric bill would top out at about $120-$140. We used to split the bill 50-50, so we were each paying $60-$70

He moved out, I'm using 1/2 the electricity. The bill is now $40.

And it does not take that much electricity to put you into tier 3 (which is something like 20 cents per kWh).
 
2009-12-08 11:27:16 AM  
Nemo's Brother: The politicians who support the green initiatives do not care about the environment. They want to gain more control over you and take more of your money. Look at the hypocrites in Copenhagen. Look at how AlGore lives. They don't give a shiat. They just want taxes and power. You sheep who play along are merely useful pawns.

And what does this comment have to with a change in billing that punishes high users of electricity in California slightly less?
 
2009-12-08 11:33:29 AM  
Thenixon: nicksteel:
English is not your first language, is it??

The California Public Utilities Commission is poised to approve a proposal by San Diego Gas & Electric Co. to raise rates by 5 percent for people who use the least electricity and lower them between 4 percent and 5 percent for people who use the most.



Math's not your strong suit, is it??

If TFA's numbers are correct, 500-KWH/month user pays $0.1455 per KWH now. This will go up to $0.15082 per KWH. A 1000-KWH/month user pays $0.234 per KWH now. This will go down to $0.230 per KWH. The rates were already set up to charge more per unit of power for customers who consume more. They still are with the proposed changes.


That is not the point. They are raising rates for people who use small amounts and lowering it for people who use large amounts. What it was has nothing to do with the FACT that they are screwing people who conserve. Trying to put a spin on it doesn't change that.
 
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