Wait, they announced this in 2010? Can I borrow your time machine?

MIguy: Are they going to fight because if they do, we all know who would win.

The only way I'd read DC again is if they went back to the dialogue that suggests (or flat out says) Batman and Superman are incredibly good friends...the kind that send flowers to each other and ignore Lois Lane and Catwoman, if you know what I mean. ^_~

/Yeah, I went there; I would read a slash comic of them
//Bruce would not get himself in situations where Kalel would have to save him like stupid Lois Lane
///Because he's the goddamn BATMAN, and Lois Lane has always been a whiny biatch IMO

Earth One? For how long, a year or three, and then what? Earth 0.9?

FTFA:

"Superman: Earth One will be written by J. Michael Straczynski, with art from Shane Davis

That will be utterly derivative churn-pulp like everything he writes, and superman will look like an androgynous twee underwear model to boot.

"...while Batman: Earth One will be by Geoff Johns and Gary Frank"

Who, and who?

Good. Personally I want one freakin' universe.

Also, for all the people who complain that Supes is too powerful, what about the freakin' Batman? Could they please write him where he's not some kind of farkin god?

I stopped reading/collecting at Zero Hour. I'm going to assume nothing much happened since then.

Do a real reboot of Superman, limit his powers so he isn't Godlike, and fix the whole secret identity crap! Give him a mask or something at the very least.

The very fact that Jason Todd is alive means that DC is dead to me.

The English Major: The first rule about DC Continuity is Don't Think Too Hard About Continuity in DC Comics.

I gave up DC with the super punch splitting reality shiat

At Marvel has the good sense to just kill the character and start anew.

IdBeCrazyIf: I gave up DC with the super punch splitting reality shiat

The silliest part of it all was that they invented the whole "multiple realities" stuff to make continuity make sense. And then they did the whole "combining realities" thing to simplify it. That all makes sense. From then on... wtf?

deadsanta: "...while Batman: Earth One will be by Geoff Johns and Gary Frank"

Who, and who?

So, you missed their Action run and you're not reading Green Lantern (Johns), Blackest Night (Johns), or Superman: Secret Origin (Johns & Frank) huh?

Confabulat: Grant Morrison is pretty overrated

I just got We3 from Amazon.

No he is not. Overpriced, maybe.... but certainly not overrated.

MIguy: Are they going to fight because if they do, we all know who would win.



// blood-stained sweater not shown

DC needs to team up with Fox/Seth McFarlane and Adam West and make a comic book where Quahog Mayor Adam West is still Batman.

Anything DC I won't touch, but that, I might buy.

Pxtl: The silliest part of it all was that they invented the whole "multiple realities" stuff to make continuity make sense. And then they did the whole "combining realities" thing to simplify it. That all makes sense. From then on... wtf?

I really would have just preferred them to continue ignoring continuity and just reboot each character into their own line. Much in the way Marvel did with their series.

My issue with Marvel was with the breadth and amount of slaughter they went through with when they trimmed their ranks. Which I can appreciate.. hey mutants are supposed to be mutants and by the time that came around it seemed like well shiat EVERYONE has a power!

deadsanta: Earth One? For how long, a year or three, and then what? Earth 0.9?

FTFA:

"Superman: Earth One will be written by J. Michael Straczynski, with art from Shane Davis

That will be utterly derivative churn-pulp like everything he writes, and superman will look like an androgynous twee underwear model to boot.

"...while Batman: Earth One will be by Geoff Johns and Gary Frank"

Who, and who?

See I have been excited for a DC title from JMS since the Marvel fall out. One of my favorite writers since B5.

The fact that you have no idea who Geoff Johns is pretty much makes me realize that you don't really read comics anyway. He is to DC what Bendis is to Marvel at the moment.

Seriously, a total reboot is not hard. Just have a "probability alignment" which comes out of the blue, wiping out existence as currently known and resetting the storylines to when the characters originated, or during their prime (so you'd put Supes' prime during the 1930s, Batman during the '40s, Green Lantern/Arrow during the late '60s and early '70s, etc. Then everyone can play contextually off of each other based on a consistent timeline - that is, the characters do age according to what's appropriate (Superman is still ageless), whereby you can have new characters fill in the gaps when the older characters are unable to perform their tasks (so you could have Batman as a crotchety old lunatic in the 1980s). When that gets old and boring, just come up with something to modernize all the characters again.

Confabulat: I just finished "Final Crisis" last night, and WTF?

Shut your whore mouth. Final Crisis was awesome!

Also, do we really need another farking retelling of Bats and Supes origins even if it is another Earth? WTF? We haven't even seen the end Johns and Franks' Superman: SO yet.

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: It's not a reboot, dammit! It's the launch of essentially the Ultimate DC line. Batman, Superman, The Spirit, Doc Savage, and more, all together in a new universe. This is exactly why the Multiverse is a good thing. You can do this without invalidating anything prior.

Hell, Legion of Three Words pointed exactly that out. 3 Legions from 3 universes, all of whom were "the real Legion".

As a reviewer, and loooooooooooong time comic fan, I'm damn excited to see these books. The Batman/Doc Savage Special was a terrific first glimpse at the new run.

The problem is that they will, eventually, use the multi-dimensional nature of their setting to smash the two universes together. Permanent changes will inevitably occur in both, thus making continuity even more impossible to follow.

FirstNationalBastard: Didn't DC just do the All Star line, which was "new takes on the characters without the burden of long-standing continuity"?

Yeah they did. Morrison and Quitely kicked out an awesome take on Superman. Frank Miller raped the shiat out of Batman and the rest of the DCU and created a nauseating laughingstock.

Did he even finish ASSBAR?

The English Major: Or else the character's wife makes a deal with the Devil and recons years of continuity into nothingness.

Well there are always going to be stupid choices here and there.

Spidey has always suffered from some very bad swiss cheese writing though. Like horrific quality writing. If one didn't know any better you'd think they really don't give a shiat about the series.

FirstNationalBastard: Didn't DC just do the All Star line, which was "new takes on the characters without the burden of long-standing continuity"?

Are the chimps running DC just flinging their feces at the wall and hoping something sticks at this point?

The All Star Superman story is fantastic but there was never a point where it was going to be an on going series. Just a chance for a great writer/artist combo to put out a great story.

All Star Batman....well it had parts that are funny and awesome and then parts that just suck.

proletarian: FirstNationalBastard: Didn't DC just do the All Star line, which was "new takes on the characters without the burden of long-standing continuity"?

Yeah they did. Morrison and Quitely kicked out an awesome take on Superman. Frank Miller raped the shiat out of Batman and the rest of the DCU and created a nauseating laughingstock.

Did he even finish ASSBAR?


No

proletarian: Did he even finish ASSBAR?

Having only seen the horrifying reviews of ASSBAR online, I have to say I'm curious: did he ever explain how the hell Robin will ever have a secret identity? I mean, everybody knows that Dick Grayson is Robin in ASSBAR.

Miller keeps treading the line between satire and serious reverence for the character. I want to see him give up and go full-retard with the satire... but his pacing is probably too slow to make it entertaining.

The English Major: Ben Reilly.

I honestly think people would have preferred Ben Reilly coming back somehow over the damned Deal With The Devil thing.

likefunbutnot: fresh and interesting in the hands of people who can actually, you know, write.

Of course it's fresh and interesting. OMD has given them the chance to revise stories they've already written. Of course you're going to improve after the 10th time you've told the same damned tale.

I am soooo glad I stopped reading/collecting in the early '90s.

likefunbutnot:
Everything still happened. It's just that no one remembers. If you started following Spidey in Brand New Day (after the unreadable mess that was JMS's run on Amazing Spider Man) Quesada farking up good stories because "Peter never slept with Gwen Stacey", you would know that there are repercussions to what happened and that the character has become fresh and interesting in the hands of people who can actually, you know, write.

/Fixed

So, do they make comics for kids anymore? Has it moved entirely to the teen/adult market?