m1ke: I can't wait until we all are wearing meters that monitor our breathing so that we may be billed accordingly "to save the planet."

I hope one day to get emphysema...to save on my carbonddioxide tax

WaltzingMathilda: he said it, so it must be true.

Obama said the Stimulus would prevent double-digit unemployment and revive our economy. Everyone on the right said it would make things worse. Who's prediction turned out to be correct? Yeah, the US Chamber of commerce is biased. Yeah, just cause they say something, it doesn't mean it is true. Our prediction is this will really hurt our economy at a time when it is already very fragile. Will our prediction come true? I hope not. But if it does, if the economy gets any worse, how do you think the Dems will fare in 2010? 2012? I want you guys to go all in on this. Because when it blows up in your face, i want no doubts left behind that you guys went all in on this.

El Chode: I_C_Weener: m1ke: I can't wait until we all are wearing meters that monitor our breathing so that we may be billed accordingly "to save the planet."

I hope one day to get emphysema...to save on my carbonddioxide tax

I totally called this at the top of the thread

Okay. Fine...I'll hope for a voluntary lung removal to halve my exhalation taxes.

fiver5:
Given that this pretty much means the end of the US economy, I would say that this is news flash worthy

/not subby

this kind of idiot fearmongering is just as bad as the "Global warming is going to kill us all" fearmongering.

"Global Warming will harm the global economic and displace millions, and possible cause several famines", while scary, is much more accurate than "it will kill us all"

the US economy can survive a switch to cleaner technology... to claim it can't is simply moronic.

hipsellipsis: please, just die. Fark off and die. I'm going to switch all my lights on, run all the heaters and open my windows. Fark you all with your bullshiat alarmist preachy crap.

Cool tweet bro.

hipsellipsis:


No, it's just blind hatred of you morons.

Love you too. Have a nice day.

Mordant: thomps: enforcerpsu: You fail to understand the point. The units are at the breaking point of efficiency and clean "air" they produce. 12 cylinders now instead of 16. However, there still has to be power to move and until we can "store" that power in battery tech that actually works in a freakin locomotive, its not happening.

I'm not saying trucking is better. Locomotives have obvious advantages, but you can't squeeze blood out of a rock. This will stifle locomotive production...grossly. This will cost BILLIONS of dollars in retrofits.

Guess who pays that? YOU.

right, and you're missing my point: if you're already at such an advanced level of efficiency, then you shouldn't expect to be hit with massive new regulations, whereas other, less efficient industries certainly will.

Nope, I fully expect that by February of next year all trains will be required to have no emissions other than the faint aroma of freshly baked biscuits. I can't tell you how I know that, because I work for a very secret agency... but it's true. All true.

good luck with that. big biscuit bought up all those patents years ago and they're just sitting on them.

SlothB77: WaltzingMathilda: he said it, so it must be true.

Obama said the Stimulus would prevent double-digit unemployment and revive our economy. Everyone on the right said it would make things worse. Who's prediction turned out to be correct? Yeah, the US Chamber of commerce is biased. Yeah, just cause they say something, it doesn't mean it is true. Our prediction is this will really hurt our economy at a time when it is already very fragile. Will our prediction come true? I hope not. But if it does, if the economy gets any worse, how do you think the Dems will fare in 2010? 2012? I want you guys to go all in on this. Because when it blows up in your face, i want no doubts left behind that you guys went all in on this.

LOL @ GO TEAM!

relcec: U gonna electrify the 250k miles of track in the u.s. and convert the 24k diesel locomotives? Gonna need a lot of copper. What about the trucking industry?

Sure, why not. And while we are at it how about a decent commuter rail system in this country?

TheIndependent: //I would like to see an actual visual record of such things!

The entire catalog of photos was deleted. Sorry.

soy_bomb: If there were only a naturally occurring thing that would consume CO2 and emit O2.

it can only do that so fast - the oil and coal were burning took several million years for the ecosystem to convert into forms that could be sequestered by geologic processes.

dwh1963: WaltzingMathilda: fiver5: jehovahs witness protection: Misuse of the newsflash tag?
Say it isn't so.

jehovahs witness protection: Misuse of the newsflash tag?
Say it isn't so.

Given that this pretty much means the end of the US economy, I would say that this is news flash worthy

/not subby

2 things:

1. elections have consequences
2. fearmongering hyperbole is just darling

You mean fear-mongering like "OMG!!! Teh carbon dioxide is going to kill us all!!"

Take a look at this:


This isn't about the environment. It's about control, plain and simple. Control of business, control of industry, control of individual lives.

thanks, glenn. at least we know the tinfoil industry is not in danger.

enforcerpsu:

The rail industry is directly affected by cargo. Less cargo to haul, less people have jobs...everywhere.

Thats ok though, gross and overbearing regulations are GOOD FOR YOU.

you're going to have to explain how forcing moving toward greener technologies is going to result in less cargo.

i see a hell of a lot of cargo going down the road every day that is related to building clean energy sources - huge windmill blades the length of a flatbed trailer. huge sections of tower, generator assemblies.

clean energy sources don't operate in a vacuum - they require parts, maintenance, etc.

so go ahead.. try to defend your assertion there will be less cargo.

cburkard: And how do you know it's not part of a natural cycle.

how do we know if it is or isn't? yes there are still lots of questions out there. one corse of action will cost lots of money, the other will result the collapse of civilization as we know it.