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2009-12-07 01:07:02 PM
Polamalu kind of matters.
 
2009-12-07 01:14:00 PM
Wadded Beef: Polamalu kind of matters.

Of course he does. But he is only 1 man, he just seems to be in 6 places at once.

Also I would like to add I can not believe the Cowboys fell apart like they did. I'm a Giants fan so I'm really happy but I'm not gloating. I really can't believe we won that game.
 
2009-12-07 01:14:27 PM
I was amazed how well the Redskins shut down the New Orleans rushing attack. Then I saw the Cardinals do the same to the Vikings. Weird games all around.
 
2009-12-07 01:20:33 PM
Addendum:

Good job, Dallas, getting rid of Terrell Owens. It appears he was the cause of all of your problems, and now your other 12 pro bowlers are living up to expectations and getting along like the Mormon family from South Park.

Wait...what?
 
2009-12-07 01:21:39 PM
s1ugg0: Wadded Beef: Polamalu kind of matters.

Of course he does. But he is only 1 man, he just seems to be in 6 places at once.

Also I would like to add I can not believe the Cowboys fell apart like they did. I'm a Giants fan so I'm really happy but I'm not gloating. I really can't believe we won that game.


Umm it is December isn't it? Don't expect Romo to win any more games.
 
2009-12-07 01:21:58 PM
Fun Fact:

Denver has as many wins through week 12 as they ever had with Cutler as their QB. hahahhahahahhahahaha

TheSup3rN0va: Wait...what?

They do still lead their division. But they did already start December as everyone expected.
 
2009-12-07 01:24:30 PM
I am officially sick of the Saints. I enjoyed their renaissance, I enjoyed watching them, and I've marveled at their offense since Brees joined them. But, this is the third game this year they have had no business winning. I cannot remember a luckier team in history, and at this point, it's just annoying. Sorry Saints fans, I think you have a great team, definitely one of the best in the league, but there is no way in hell this team should be 12-0.
 
2009-12-07 01:24:41 PM
IAmRight: Fun Fact:

Denver has as many wins through week 12 as they ever had with Cutler as their QB. hahahhahahahhahahaha


Charlie Weis wants to be the new OC of the Bears, how do you think that would go with Cutler?

/not snark, I'm just curious
 
2009-12-07 01:26:21 PM
Stangfreek: I cannot remember a luckier team in history,

luck is superstition. when things fall your way, it's mostly due to your performance or coincidence.
 
2009-12-07 01:27:04 PM
Stangfreek: I am officially sick of the Saints. I enjoyed their renaissance, I enjoyed watching them, and I've marveled at their offense since Brees joined them. But, this is the third game this year they have had no business winning. I cannot remember a luckier team in history, and at this point, it's just annoying. Sorry Saints fans, I think you have a great team, definitely one of the best in the league, but there is no way in hell this team should be 12-0.

After the Eagles game and this game my conspiracy theory is that the Skins are trying to lose games for a better draft pick.
 
2009-12-07 01:29:03 PM
I think all of us, even Cowboys fans can agree: flozell adams needs to be kicked out of the league.

The guy is a thug and really isn't that good anymore. He's going to hurt someone.
 
2009-12-07 01:35:21 PM
- QB controversy with the Chiefs? With who? Brodie Croyle? Didn't they already do this dance?

- Looks as though Louis Murphy is going to be contending with Asomougha for draft pick of the decade from Oakland. The dude can ball at WR like nobody's business.

- If the Redskins can figure out a way to play like that 80% of the time (minus the choke at the end) next year, they'll be the beast in the NFC East. I was very impressed by their play for the first 3.95 quarters.

- Is it just me, or is the likely AFC Wildcard picture usually much clearer earlier on than the NFC? The NFC is always a clusterfark until the last couple of weeks or so. Then again, the action in the AFC East just kind of threw a wrench into the whole "it's going to be Denver and Ravens" thing. How hilarious would it be for Oakland to sweep the AFC North and also knock the Ravens out of contention the last week?
 
2009-12-07 01:38:55 PM
there their theyre: Umm it is December isn't it? Don't expect Romo to win any more games.

I'm a Giants fan, and I'll say Romo did remarkably well for someone who was getting knocked around and had no support from his running game.

That said, I don't get the notion that it's amazing the Cowboys didn't win given his prolific numbers. If your QB threw it 55 times, it's pretty likely you lost the game.
 
2009-12-07 01:38:55 PM
robsul82: Charlie Weis wants to be the new OC of the Bears, how do you think that would go with Cutler?

It would probably help, hypothetically, since he was an ok coordinator (though it has become quite apparent that he wasn't really all that great at it, given how the offense has been better for the most part after he left and the defense was the actual key), and there's the fact that, again, Ron Turner is NORV TURNER'S LESS APT BROTHER. That fact can't be emphasized enough. Maybe he can get them to 8-8!
 
2009-12-07 01:39:16 PM
Polamalu is unique. You have to game plan for him. Each player has both a direct and indirect impact on a play. For example, look at decoys. They're not MVP's by any stretch, but they may draw enough attention for someone else to break a big play.

As for the Saints, I'm enoying their season. Yesterday's game was great, and I think that the differences in attitude may have tilted the game. Washington was probably thinking "don't fark this up" and New Orleans was probably thinking "just give me one more shot".
 
2009-12-07 01:41:50 PM
There's no QB controversy in KC. Even if there were, the weight of the expectations would probably be enough to snap Brodie's spine.
 
2009-12-07 01:42:05 PM
IAmRight: robsul82: Charlie Weis wants to be the new OC of the Bears, how do you think that would go with Cutler?

It would probably help, hypothetically, since he was an ok coordinator (though it has become quite apparent that he wasn't really all that great at it, given how the offense has been better for the most part after he left and the defense was the actual key), and there's the fact that, again, Ron Turner is NORV TURNER'S LESS APT BROTHER. That fact can't be emphasized enough. Maybe he can get them to 8-8!


After an endless offseason being told how Cutler was the last piece and taking them to the Super Bowl, my Superfan friends have learned nothing and now are certain that Weis being the OC is the last piece and will take them to the Super Bowl (provided that Lovie Smith is also fired). Never ends, lol.
 
2009-12-07 01:42:11 PM

"The Patriots have four winnable games remaining, and might still claim the AFC East at 11-5."


I even doubt this. Ever since the Indy game one weakness keeps showing up, that the Pats cannot close out games in the second half. Yesterday's loss was particularly bad as they only scored seven points in the second half and Brady or his receivers could not take advantage of the few times the receivers were open. Passes either sailed too far or were dropped.


I have a feeling New England will finish either 10-6 or worse, 9-7 and probably out of the playoffs. Even if they make it, I would be surprised if they made it past the first round. There's just too many weaknesses.

 
2009-12-07 01:48:30 PM
Jet Power activat.....who am i kidding. i got nothin'. but at least our jerseys are the color of grass stains, so you can't always tell when we've been dragged around for four quarters.
 
2009-12-07 01:49:21 PM
skinink: I have a feeling New England will finish either 10-6 or worse, 9-7 and probably out of the playoffs. Even if they make it, I would be surprised if they made it past the first round. There's just too many weaknesses.

I don't know - sometimes they look truly good. The road thing is the problem. They aren't getting a bye and will eventually have to get a big win on the road - 1-5 looks pretty bad. I still think they'll get to the playoffs. I also think they should have kept seymour.
 
2009-12-07 01:50:08 PM
Stangfreek: I am officially sick of the Saints. I enjoyed their renaissance, I enjoyed watching them, and I've marveled at their offense since Brees joined them. But, this is the third game this year they have had no business winning. I cannot remember a luckier team in history, and at this point, it's just annoying. Sorry Saints fans, I think you have a great team, definitely one of the best in the league, but there is no way in hell this team should be 12-0.

I'm gonna point out the obvious and say that there is a "way in hell" the Saints should be 12-0 if, in fact, they ARE 12-0.

IAmRight: Fun Fact:

Denver has as many wins through week 12 as they ever had with Cutler as their QB. hahahhahahahhahahaha

Doesn't mean they're going to win another game this year
 
2009-12-07 01:50:15 PM
You're the jerk... jerk: Stangfreek: I am officially sick of the Saints. I enjoyed their renaissance, I enjoyed watching them, and I've marveled at their offense since Brees joined them. But, this is the third game this year they have had no business winning. I cannot remember a luckier team in history, and at this point, it's just annoying. Sorry Saints fans, I think you have a great team, definitely one of the best in the league, but there is no way in hell this team should be 12-0.

After the Eagles game and this game my conspiracy theory is that the Skins are trying to lose games for a better draft pick.


That just seems insane. Unless you have a shot at picking first to get King Kong (the Redskins don't), there's no point in trying to lose, because the talent level available at #2 is not that far from the talent available at #10.

Claustrich, with a good interview, could go #2. That's how much high-caliber talent there is in this draft. Sure, there's a ton of depth, but not much in the way of men among gods (read: Suh). Thus, such a strategy is full of silliness.

Though we are talking about Snyder, I suppose.
 
2009-12-07 01:51:17 PM
Stangfreek: I am officially sick of the Saints. I enjoyed their renaissance, I enjoyed watching them, and I've marveled at their offense since Brees joined them. But, this is the third game this year they have had no business winning. I cannot remember a luckier team in history, and at this point, it's just annoying. Sorry Saints fans, I think you have a great team, definitely one of the best in the league, but there is no way in hell this team should be 12-0.

While I agree that the luck of the gods smiled upon them to pull the win out of last night's game, you can say the same about a lot of other teams' wins.

See: Patriots vs. Colts
See: Denver vs. Bengals
See: 49ers vs. Vikings
See: Bills vs. Patriots

There have been a number of "act of god" events that led to wins.
 
2009-12-07 01:53:33 PM
BossHoss: Doesn't mean they're going to win another game this year

Well, everyone's improved when he left, so there's that.
 
2009-12-07 01:55:34 PM
IAmRight: Well, everyone's improved when he left, so there's that.

Cutler sucks. Not sure who'd deny that at this point. At the very least he's having a terrible year. That doesn't make Orton any better than middle of the road, which is all he'll ever be.
 
2009-12-07 02:02:47 PM
All the Brady Quinn haters are welcome to suck it. He still has a bad line, no receivers and no running game and he's playing damned well.
 
2009-12-07 02:03:37 PM
Quasar: I was amazed how well the Redskins shut down the New Orleans rushing attack. Then I saw the Cardinals do the same to the Vikings. Weird games all around.

They were decent against the run last year, and added a pricy free agent and first round, and third round pick to their front 7 (really d line). So they should be good against the run.
 
2009-12-07 02:03:50 PM
albo: Stangfreek: I cannot remember a luckier team in history,

luck is superstition. when things fall your way, it's mostly due to your performance or coincidence.


A kicker missing a 23 yard field goal that would have essentially ended the game is pure luck.
 
2009-12-07 02:05:07 PM
BossHoss: Stangfreek: I am officially sick of the Saints. I enjoyed their renaissance, I enjoyed watching them, and I've marveled at their offense since Brees joined them. But, this is the third game this year they have had no business winning. I cannot remember a luckier team in history, and at this point, it's just annoying. Sorry Saints fans, I think you have a great team, definitely one of the best in the league, but there is no way in hell this team should be 12-0.

I'm gonna point out the obvious and say that there is a "way in hell" the Saints should be 12-0 if, in fact, they ARE 12-0.


I'm gonna point out the obvious and say that you missed the extremely operative word here: SHOULD...
 
2009-12-07 02:05:45 PM
Stangfreek: I am officially sick of the Saints. I enjoyed their renaissance, I enjoyed watching them, and I've marveled at their offense since Brees joined them. But, this is the third game this year they have had no business winning. I cannot remember a luckier team in history, and at this point, it's just annoying. Sorry Saints fans, I think you have a great team, definitely one of the best in the league, but there is no way in hell this team should be 12-0.

Hmm. Now that we've heard from Bellevue.

nfl.imageg.net

Be sure to get your T-shirt, crazy guy.
 
2009-12-07 02:08:29 PM
Sham-RLAU: You're the jerk... jerk: Stangfreek: I am officially sick of the Saints. I enjoyed their renaissance, I enjoyed watching them, and I've marveled at their offense since Brees joined them. But, this is the third game this year they have had no business winning. I cannot remember a luckier team in history, and at this point, it's just annoying. Sorry Saints fans, I think you have a great team, definitely one of the best in the league, but there is no way in hell this team should be 12-0.

After the Eagles game and this game my conspiracy theory is that the Skins are trying to lose games for a better draft pick.

That just seems insane. Unless you have a shot at picking first to get King Kong (the Redskins don't), there's no point in trying to lose, because the talent level available at #2 is not that far from the talent available at #10.

Claustrich, with a good interview, could go #2. That's how much high-caliber talent there is in this draft. Sure, there's a ton of depth, but not much in the way of men among gods (read: Suh). Thus, such a strategy is full of silliness.

Though we are talking about Snyder, I suppose.


I agree, I don't believe it to be true but they definitely do collapse.
 
2009-12-07 02:09:40 PM
Stangfreek: albo: Stangfreek: I cannot remember a luckier team in history,

luck is superstition. when things fall your way, it's mostly due to your performance or coincidence.

A kicker missing a 23 yard field goal that would have essentially ended the game is pure lsuck.


ftfy

/Bucs fan, but rooting for the Who Dats to go 16-0.
 
rka
2009-12-07 02:10:09 PM
JohnBigBootay: That doesn't make Orton any better than middle of the road, which is all he'll ever be.

Why does everyone cling to that as being some sort of given? Based on his years in Chicago? Like that is some sort of barometer.

We obviously can see that Chicago is a dysfunctional offensive mess and they simply have no idea how to coach up QBs. Orton or no Orton, Cutler or no Cutler. They thought they could go buy themselves a ready made "playmaker" but they are learning that it takes more than a FranchiseProBowlQB (and there is doubt that they even got that). You actually need coaching and talent around them.

I'd say Kyle Orton has a great chance to be better than "middle of the road" with a coach that actually understands offense, how to coach offense and how to get the best out of QB position. He's got a new lease on life in Denver with a much better framework around him.
 
2009-12-07 02:10:24 PM
downtownkid: All the Brady Quinn haters are welcome to suck it. He still has a bad line, no receivers and no running game and he's playing damned well.

You gotta be courageous to play on a team that bad...
 
2009-12-07 02:11:52 PM
Oh, Chiefs, even CBS is making fun of you now:

cache.gawker.com

/hot like KC isn't
 
2009-12-07 02:11:53 PM
Quasar: Stangfreek: I am officially sick of the Saints. I enjoyed their renaissance, I enjoyed watching them, and I've marveled at their offense since Brees joined them. But, this is the third game this year they have had no business winning. I cannot remember a luckier team in history, and at this point, it's just annoying. Sorry Saints fans, I think you have a great team, definitely one of the best in the league, but there is no way in hell this team should be 12-0.

While I agree that the luck of the gods smiled upon them to pull the win out of last night's game, you can say the same about a lot of other teams' wins.

See: Patriots vs. Colts
See: Denver vs. Bengals
See: 49ers vs. Vikings
See: Bills vs. Patriots

There have been a number of "act of god" events that led to wins.


I will submit that the only truly "lucky" play on that list that led directly to a win is the Broncos play against the Bengals.

The rest are the result of monumental collapses and "what the hell" calls by the losing team. I won't take away the Saints win, because they still went and won the game after the missed field goal, you have to respect that. To me, the luck isn't necessarily in the single plays that are falling in their favor, but the fact that they have won 3 games this year because of a series of circumstances that rarely happen to one team in one game, let alone 3 separate times.
 
2009-12-07 02:11:57 PM
IAmRight: Ron Turner is NORV TURNER'S LESS APT BROTHER. That fact can't be emphasized enough.

As much as it galls me, I'm having to remind people now that, by percentage, Norv Turner is the winningest head coach in Chargers history.

He is also tied for most postseason victories (3) with Bobby Ross, Don Coryell, and Sid Gillman (3 more than Marty Schottenheimer ever got in SD) -- and thus far is the only head coach in Chargers history with an overall winning postseason record.

He's earned his hair-pulling reputation for being a slow starter, but the guy seems like he's found himself, and knows how to win with this squad.

Frogdammit.
 
2009-12-07 02:12:40 PM
Yes, it's true the Saints got lucky. But when the field goal missed-- that was the moment fate smiled kindly upon them. They were still 7 points down with little time left. As a long-time Saints fan, I can tell you that not many old-style Saints teams would have gotten those points, and if they did, would not have been able to stop Washington's offense with so much time left. And folks should quit complaining about the fumble call. Remember, it wasn't called a fumble initially. "Conclusive evidence" is the standard for changing a call, and the officials really don't like to change their calls. It makes them look bad. Of course, if the guy hadn't turned the ball loose in the first place, it wouldn't have been an issue.
 
2009-12-07 02:14:04 PM
phyrkrakr: Oh, Chiefs, even CBS is making fun of you now:



/hot like KC isn't


OK, that's farking hysterical.
 
2009-12-07 02:14:28 PM
BKITU: He's earned his hair-pulling reputation for being a slow starter, but the guy seems like he's found himself, and knows how to win with this squad.

In fairness, he's had by far the most talent anyone's ever had in San Diego.
 
2009-12-07 02:15:15 PM
You're the jerk... jerk: After the Eagles game and this game my conspiracy theory is that the Skins are trying to lose games for a better draft pick.

That would be an interesting theory, unfortunately Daniel Snyder would have to know what a draft pick is for this to be true.
 
2009-12-07 02:16:13 PM
BKITU: IAmRight: Ron Turner is NORV TURNER'S LESS APT BROTHER. That fact can't be emphasized enough.

As much as it galls me, I'm having to remind people now that, by percentage, Norv Turner is the winningest head coach in Chargers history.

He is also tied for most postseason victories (3) with Bobby Ross, Don Coryell, and Sid Gillman (3 more than Marty Schottenheimer ever got in SD) -- and thus far is the only head coach in Chargers history with an overall winning postseason record.

He's earned his hair-pulling reputation for being a slow starter, but the guy seems like he's found himself, and knows how to win with this squad.

Frogdammit.



Where does he rank on the list of Chargers Coaches making bad decisions? With the talent on that team he should have gone to a superbowl by now.
 
2009-12-07 02:16:58 PM
Stangfreek: albo: Stangfreek: I cannot remember a luckier team in history,

luck is superstition. when things fall your way, it's mostly due to your performance or coincidence.

A kicker missing a 23 yard field goal that would have essentially ended the game is pure luck.


OK. But the Saints keeping them out of the endzone when the Skins had 1st & goal on the 4 isn't luck.
 
2009-12-07 02:17:23 PM
InferiousX:
- If the Redskins can figure out a way to play like that 80% of the time (minus the choke at the end) next year, they'll be the beast in the NFC East. I was very impressed by their play for the first 3.95 quarters.



Goddammit I miss Sean Taylor. If he'd been FS with Landry SS, that game would've been 10-30 INCLUDING the fluke int/fumble/TD.
 
2009-12-07 02:19:06 PM
Didn't KC kind of signal they had stopped trying when they hired Herm Edwards a few years ago?
 
2009-12-07 02:19:59 PM
Quasar: I was amazed how well the Redskins shut down the New Orleans rushing attack.

Good lord, Snyder spent $150 million this offseason on the #4 defense from last year. I would hope they could do something.

That being said, let me take this moment to thank the GM of the Eagles for bailing on Dawkins and Buckhalter.
 
2009-12-07 02:20:31 PM
Stangfreek: Quasar: Stangfreek: I am officially sick of the Saints. I enjoyed their renaissance, I enjoyed watching them, and I've marveled at their offense since Brees joined them. But, this is the third game this year they have had no business winning. I cannot remember a luckier team in history, and at this point, it's just annoying. Sorry Saints fans, I think you have a great team, definitely one of the best in the league, but there is no way in hell this team should be 12-0.

While I agree that the luck of the gods smiled upon them to pull the win out of last night's game, you can say the same about a lot of other teams' wins.

See: Patriots vs. Colts
See: Denver vs. Bengals
See: 49ers vs. Vikings
See: Bills vs. Patriots

There have been a number of "act of god" events that led to wins.

I will submit that the only truly "lucky" play on that list that led directly to a win is the Broncos play against the Bengals.

The rest are the result of monumental collapses and "what the hell" calls by the losing team. I won't take away the Saints win, because they still went and won the game after the missed field goal, you have to respect that. To me, the luck isn't necessarily in the single plays that are falling in their favor, but the fact that they have won 3 games this year because of a series of circumstances that rarely happen to one team in one game, let alone 3 separate times.


These are things that happen fairly frequently, actually. The difference is the frequency with which the other team is still putting it all out and waiting for that one mistake to happen so they can jump on it and turn things around for themselves. Other teams would probably roll over when down by more than a score with under two minutes and the other team has the ball. The Saints' entire squad was still playing, still looking for the seam that would open the game up for them to turn it back. And unlike a lot of teams (including just about every Saints team since 1967), they found that seam and managed to pull out a win. Manipulation of the other team's mistakes and faults is called strategy, not luck.
 
2009-12-07 02:23:37 PM
That sound you hear? The dull thumping?

Its all the Steelers fans hitting their heads on a hard surface.

/Go Steelers
//Stupid Madden curse.
///WRRRY
 
2009-12-07 02:24:28 PM
Has it ever been commented on how Don Banks hates the Giants?

Dude NEVER mentions them in his Snap Judgements columns. You'd think the Giants knocking off the Cowboys and putting them back into the thick of the playoff race would warrant at least one mention in a column that talks about every other single game.

I've noticed him skimping out on talking about them for years.
 
2009-12-07 02:33:25 PM
NickGXZ: That sound you hear? The dull thumping?

Its all the Steelers fans hitting their heads on a hard surface.

/Go Steelers
//Stupid Madden curse.
///WRRRY


What is going on with my stillers? Jeez guys, defend your championship title please.

/surrounded by Raiders fans. pity me.
 
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