damageddude: If they put those on the Garden State Parkway, NJ's budget would be balanced by the end of rush hour.

If they put on one the W Cross/Hutch, NYs budget would be too.

And CT, too. Hell, they could probably buy Vermont with the extra.

damageddude: If they put those on the Garden State Parkway, NJ's budget would be balanced by the end of rush hour.

NJ has prohibited all speed cameras and EZ pass is not allowed to track your car's speed or whereabouts.

Weaver95: damageddude: If they put those on the Garden State Parkway, NJ's budget would be balanced by the end of rush hour.

If they put them up on the Pennsylvania turnpike, someone will use them for target practice.

PA doesn't need them because you guys would have to actually approach the speed limit while driving.

ZAZ: Average speed cameras have proved effective at persuading people to keep within the limits. Nearly 100 have been installed at roadworks - typically on motorways - and accident black spots, and according to data collected from five active camera sites, 99.4 per cent of drivers obey the speed limits. The number of motorists killed and seriously injured after the cameras have been introduced falls by nearly two thirds on average.

That statement is contradicted by the DfT-sponsored report on roadwork speed cameras, which found that average speed cameras were no more effective than no speed enforcement. Average speed cameras were somewhat more effective than traditional speed cameras, which increased accident rates.

I think this is the (citation needed) link: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/05/582.asp

The whole paradigm is based on failure when you think about it. If the cameras work, then profits will decrease and the whole industry would not remain viable. Alternatively, the industry must be viable, so they rely on continuing infractions, indicating that there's no significant potential for increased safety.

Weaver95: El Chode: Weaver95: damageddude: If they put those on the Garden State Parkway, NJ's budget would be balanced by the end of rush hour.

If they put them up on the Pennsylvania turnpike, someone will use them for target practice.

PA doesn't need them because you guys would have to actually approach the speed limit while driving.

that's just the Jesus freaks - I swear, some of them actually set out to cause accidents.

Typical drive on Route 80 West Bound:

Lalala driving 80 with traffic hey why is everyone stopping up ahead? shiat better get in the right lane and pass this mess, oh that makes sense, a 1999 Dodge Caravan covered in "My boss is a Jewish Carpenter" and "Jesus on Board" stickers

ZAZ: Usually that doesn't match my experience driving in PA, but there was this one time I was on I-79 and every car in sight was doing the 65 mph speed limit as near as I could estimate. It was an odd enough experience that I remember it 14 years later.

Come to New Jersey and take a spin on Route 80 or 78. Left lane bandits, all of them. And don't get me starting on their ability to merge from an on-ramp

El Chode: starting

*started

SpinStopper: Show me a normal car with a speedometer that is that accurate.

My Hondo '08 has a digital speedometer. I don't know if it is accurate, but assuming it was properly calibrated it tells me my speed within 1 mile per hour.

Talon: SpinStopper: Show me a normal car with a speedometer that is that accurate.

My Hondo Honda '08 has a digital speedometer. I don't know if it is accurate, but assuming it was properly calibrated it tells me my speed within 1 mile per hour.

FTFM

If they put them on the Cross Bronx Expressway the cameras would be stuck at Frame 1 for years.

Ticketing for one mph over wouldn't make much sense, as that could be explained by rounding errors.

That said, the article says nothing about one mph (or kph, since this is in the UK).

Therefore:

submitter: New generation of 'time over distance' speed cameras will track your car for distances of more than 15 miles and give you a ticket if your average speed is higher than the posted limits, even by 1 mph^{[citation needed]}. It's all about the safety

waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhwaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I want to drive faster than the law allows and now I'm so mad they caught me using their fancy mind track thing

AntiNorm: That said, the article says nothing about one mph (or kph, since this is in the UK).

Fun fact: The UK measures speed/distance in miles on roads. No idea why, but it made life easier for a displaced Yank.

Hiro Nakamura: AntiNorm: That said, the article says nothing about one mph (or kph, since this is in the UK).

Fun fact: The UK measures speed/distance in miles on roads. No idea why, but it made life easier for a displaced Yank.

also came back to say this. TMYK

El Chode:

NJ has prohibited all speed cameras and EZ pass is not allowed to track your car's speed or whereabouts.

Hasn't NJ used it to discredit the alibis of alleged murderers? I could have sworn they did that recently.

Weaver95: missmarsha: waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhwaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I want to drive faster than the law allows and now I'm so mad they caught me using their fancy mind track thing

so you're willing to trade freedom for the illusion of safety? Or are you one of those people who derive sexual pleasure from dominating others?

I'm joking. Personal freedom and privacy are big in my book. I don't think you should ever get a ticket from a camera. It's a complete cash grab. The idea they would give you a ticket for 1 mile over is laughable.

/but people should drive within +/- 10% of the speed limit
//because I'm the boss that's why

Pointless technology.. just put GPS sensors in all cars to track speed. Also, charge for insurance by miles driven.

/like it or not, it's coming.

fnorgby: Hasn't NJ used it to discredit the alibis of alleged murderers? I could have sworn they did that recently.

No idea. I know they can have the cameras, they just can't use them for speed. Or last I read the MV laws, it was explicit but I don't have the cite. There was never a prohibition on red light cameras though.

Bucky Katt: El Chode: damageddude: If they put those on the Garden State Parkway, NJ's budget would be balanced by the end of rush hour.

NJ has prohibited all speed cameras and EZ pass is not allowed to track your car's speed or whereabouts.

I'm shocked the NJ govt got something right.

I'm not sure of its future. The Dems in this state are the ones pushing for these sort of things, and I remember reading the DOT head is a nutcase about these things. Christie seemed to be fairly against it, but at the same time, he's going to inherit a lot of financial burdens, so who knows what'll happen.

Actually.. the whole speeding thing amuses me. Why do people feel they have a right to speed? If you the limits are too low, work to get them properly adjusted.

/speeds
//generally has a general disregard for any law I don't like
///doesn't pretend to think it's a right, pays the fine when caught

missmarsha: Weaver95: missmarsha: waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhwaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I want to drive faster than the law allows and now I'm so mad they caught me using their fancy mind track thing

so you're willing to trade freedom for the illusion of safety? Or are you one of those people who derive sexual pleasure from dominating others?

I'm joking. Personal freedom and privacy are big in my book. I don't think you should ever get a ticket from a camera. It's a complete cash grab. The idea they would give you a ticket for 1 mile over is laughable.

/but people should drive within +/- 10% of the speed limit
//because I'm the boss that's why

I think the big thing that I don't get is that usually, speeding is not exceeding the speed limit as an on/off switch. It's a sustained speed in excess of the speed limit. So even if this technology was deployed, who is to say that my occasional short burst over the speed limit, then down to the speed limit, wouldn't net me a quicker travel time?

This is why it's essential to have cops doing the speed traps if we have to happen. They can make the snap judgment to know that their radar angles are off and there is a margin of error, or if someone is passing a truck on a 2 lane road and reducing their speed right away.

missmarsha: The idea they would give you a ticket for 1 mile over is laughable.

It seems the "one mile over" is for average speed not peak-speed.

To be one mile over the speed limit on average for a long distance, you would need to have been either driving very consitantly at close to one mile over the speed limit for the entire time or (more likely) you must have been driving a lot faster than one mile over for at least some of the time.

If it averages out to just a little bit faster than you are supposed to drive at maximum you probably went to fast.

Let me get this right. Farkers think everyone should obey some imaginary "passing lane" law for their own convenience, but that enforcing speed limit laws is a violation of civil rights.

missmarsha: Weaver95: missmarsha: waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhwaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I want to drive faster than the law allows and now I'm so mad they caught me using their fancy mind track thing

so you're willing to trade freedom for the illusion of safety? Or are you one of those people who derive sexual pleasure from dominating others?

I'm joking. Personal freedom and privacy are big in my book. I don't think you should ever get a ticket from a camera. It's a complete cash grab. The idea they would give you a ticket for 1 mile over is laughable.

/but people should drive within +/- 10% of the speed limit
//because I'm the boss that's why

Speed limits are just a form of Socialism trying to bring the over-achievers down to a lower level and eliminate rewards for those willing to assume some risk in life. If you can't hang at speed and keep the pace then either take the bus or grab a ride on the next ice floe leaving for warmer water

Loki-L: missmarsha: The idea they would give you a ticket for 1 mile over is laughable.

It seems the "one mile over" is for average speed not peak-speed.

To be one mile over the speed limit on average for a long distance, you would need to have been either driving very consitantly at close to one mile over the speed limit for the entire time or (more likely) you must have been driving a lot faster than one mile over for at least some of the time.

If it averages out to just a little bit faster than you are supposed to drive at maximum you probably went to fast.


Your reasoning is sound, but people aren't put in jail for probably committing a crime. There is no way anyone should be ticketed for probably speeding.

Exceeding by more than 1mph is complete bollocks

Legally you are allowed a 10 percent difference as most cars do not have calibrated speedometers.

Talon 2009-12-06 03:38:35 PM
Talon: SpinStopper: Show me a normal car with a speedometer that is that accurate.

My Hondo Honda '08 has a digital speedometer. I don't know if it is accurate, but assuming it was properly calibrated it tells me my speed within 1 mile per hour.

Honda was nailed in a class action suit a few years ago. Seems the mileage on all their cars was reading 4% high. They did a readjustment up of allowable miles on our Accord.

Warranties were running out 4% early.

waiting4godot: Pointless technology.. just put GPS sensors in all cars to track speed. Also, charge for insurance by miles driven.

/like it or not, it's coming.

It's not. Too many privacy concerns. Mention it and you'll piss off the ACLU. This was mentioned in 2005 in I think two states, get rid of the gas tax by charging by GPS technology to tax you by miles driven. It's almost 2010 and it's not yet happened because of the privacy concerns.

This is explicitly illegal here in California, for what that's worth.

It's all about the safety Cash.


when Rich Turds don't think they should have to pay taxes, then local and state governments have to raise money some other way. one way to do this is to issue speeding tickets.


now you know the rest of the story, tax dodging republican.

Thats an 827: Talon 2009-12-06 03:38:35 PM
Talon: SpinStopper: Show me a normal car with a speedometer that is that accurate.

My Hondo Honda '08 has a digital speedometer. I don't know if it is accurate, but assuming it was properly calibrated it tells me my speed within 1 mile per hour.

Honda was nailed in a class action suit a few years ago. Seems the mileage on all their cars was reading 4% high. They did a readjustment up of allowable miles on our Accord.

Warranties were running out 4% early.

I always thought this was true (I drive and Accord), and my recently acquired GPS confirms it.

Katastrfee: Your reasoning is sound, but people aren't put in jail for probably committing a crime. There is no way anyone should be ticketed for probably speeding.

Everybody speeds.

Hotdoggin: Exceeding by more than 1mph is complete bollocks

Legally you are allowed a 10 percent difference as most cars do not have calibrated speedometers.

You realize that in a court room the judge is going say "It is your responsibility to make sure your speedometer is properly calibrated."

Still, most cops aren't going to bother with you unless you're going more than 10 over. Cops actually have better things to do than to be dicks to those who are going just one mile over the speed limit.

Great Janitor: Still, most cops aren't going to bother with you unless you're going more than 10 over. Cops actually have better things to do than to be dicks to those who are going just one mile over the speed limit.

There are many places in this country where this is 100% untrue. In fact, in plenty of counties in the South, your speed is wholly immaterial to getting a ticket.

mmmmm. explicit abandonment of the spirit of the law in favor of the letter of the law. tasty. in this lies the seed of revolution! viva la camera trafique!

Hiro Nakamura: AntiNorm: That said, the article says nothing about one mph (or kph, since this is in the UK).

Fun fact: The UK measures speed/distance in miles on roads. No idea why, but it made life easier for a displaced Yank.

Even though the metric system is far more useful for pretty much everything else, measuring speed in MPH is far more intuitive than km/h. Units are too small in the latter to be meaningful in any real way.

Great Janitor: It's not. Too many privacy concerns. Mention it and you'll piss off the ACLU. This was mentioned in 2005 in I think two states, get rid of the gas tax by charging by GPS technology to tax you by miles driven. It's almost 2010 and it's not yet happened because of the privacy concerns.

Also because it's incredibly stupid. The amount of damage done by personal automotive use on the highways is so low as to be negligible - for the sake of calculating usage compared to a semi, you could plug in a constant number for everyone and get it roughly right irrespective of actual usage. Trucking lobbies have simply been effective at suppressing both the registration and gas tax.