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2009-12-06 03:56:45 PM  

kidsizedcoffin: So we get to hear about it from the columbus disgrace?

I suppose I should fire up freenet and a tor relay for tomorrow, give them a hand.


Yes! Show them what it is like in the western world where we have the right to freely share information!

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2009-12-06 04:00:10 PM  

Persepolis: Well, not offical facts, but if you go to any Iranian hosted site (ending with .ir) you'll find they're way slow. Slower than normal.


The IR sites seem fine. In fact, the ones that have been mentioned as targeted in some articles "opposition strongholds" are university ones there.

Here is a Wikipedia list of Iran Universities (new window) and when clicking through the links they don't seem to be any slower than average web sites.

It is a huge concern to me when I see reports about things that no one else seems to be able to verify in any way. Also, it's seems incredibly unlikely that not even a single student involved with networking infrastructure wouldn't sneak out a report of how the internet is being interfered with.

All I see is a "they're being internet repressed this weekend" yet there isn't any evidence of the kind.
 
2009-12-06 04:07:00 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: All I see is a "they're being internet repressed this weekend" yet there isn't any evidence of the kind.


You're right.
 
2009-12-06 04:07:23 PM  
 
2009-12-06 04:13:40 PM  
 
2009-12-06 04:15:25 PM  

Tyranicle: CrispFlows: Tyranicle: Who...gives...a...flying...f*ck...about...Iran...

Circle of life, Flying Farktard.

Could you please explain, c*cksucker?


Only dicks say they don't give a fark about entire nations. I think that was the point.
 
2009-12-06 04:17:00 PM  

perryjay: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1945872,00.html How's this for a good source?


You're using a copy of the article we're discussing as a source supporting the article.
 
2009-12-06 04:18:09 PM  
To all the pathetic haters of my comments: My ancestors died to give me the freedom I enjoy. It is not something I take for granted. I am thankful everyday for those freedoms that I enjoy. That being said, freedom is not free. Someone has to make sacrifices for future generations. It's not fair but neither is life. Because my ancestors were not pussies I enjoy freedom. The future generations of Iran will not enjoy freedom if this generation continues to be pussies. It is just as simple as that.
 
2009-12-06 04:20:32 PM  

perryjay: Or possibly the BBC? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8397767.stm


Still no data that internet access has been slowed down.

In fact, in that article they changed it to "email not working" instead of slow internet.

Do these guys have a dartboard they're using to pick what's not working?
 
2009-12-06 04:24:55 PM  

Merky: The future generations of Iran will not enjoy freedom if this generation continues to be pussies. It is just as simple as that.


But Twitter dude, they're using Twitter.
 
2009-12-06 04:28:49 PM  

MIguy: Merky: The future generations of Iran will not enjoy freedom if this generation continues to be pussies. It is just as simple as that.

But Twitter dude, they're using Twitter.


yeah...and it worked....
 
2009-12-06 04:31:04 PM  

MIguy: Remember when Farkers pretended to care about what happened in Iran? Yeah, those were a fun few days.


I've been keeping track, and I've tried to post a few stories, but most are redlit.

Merky: To all the pathetic haters of my comments: My ancestors died to give me the freedom I enjoy. It is not something I take for granted. I am thankful everyday for those freedoms that I enjoy. That being said, freedom is not free.


Freedom costs a buck or two (new window).
 
2009-12-06 04:39:26 PM  

Merky: My ancestors died to give me the freedom I enjoy.


Newsflash: People are dying in Iran for this shiat too.
 
2009-12-06 04:41:22 PM  

Persepolis: Merky: My ancestors died to give me the freedom I enjoy.

Newsflash: People are dying in Iran for this shiat too.


Yeah, but I don't think Merky cares. Hell, I doubt most people in this country even understand what the big deal is, or how it might impact our foreign policy.
 
2009-12-06 04:41:22 PM  

oakwolf: Tyranicle: CrispFlows: Tyranicle: Who...gives...a...flying...f*ck...about...Iran...

Circle of life, Flying Farktard.

Could you please explain, c*cksucker?

Only dicks say they don't give a fark about entire nations. I think that was the point.


You're saying I'm a heartless dick because I don't care about another countries internet?

Look, we're not in a situation to care about other countries political situations. Are they being oppressed? Are they fixing the vote? Are they not allowed to worship? Are they being thrown in plastic shredders? Are they developing weapons that wouldn't stand a chance of reaching our counrty?

Who cares! We very seriously have our own problems to deal with. What we're facing now is the complete collapse of the dollar. If and when that happens, we as country simply can't afford to get involved in another middle eastern war for the benifit of some lobbyist group.

F*ck 'em!
 
2009-12-06 04:47:46 PM  

Merky: To all the pathetic haters of my comments: My ancestors died to give me the freedom I enjoy. It is not something I take for granted. I am thankful everyday for those freedoms that I enjoy. That being said, freedom is not free. Someone has to make sacrifices for future generations. It's not fair but neither is life. Because my ancestors were not pussies I enjoy freedom. The future generations of Iran will not enjoy freedom if this generation continues to be pussies. It is just as simple as that.


It seems pretty brave to stand unarmed and get shot in the street in cold blood to stand up for an ideal. Would you be that brave? or are you just another armchair QB? probably just a troll.
 
2009-12-06 05:00:42 PM  
i256.photobucket.com

You're gonna have to get through him.
 
2009-12-06 05:06:29 PM  
I wonder how many cases of kalishnikov rifles and loaded magazines we could air-drop in to Iran over a 48 hr period.

That should liven things up a bit.
 
2009-12-06 05:11:09 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: I wonder how many cases of kalishnikov rifles and loaded magazines we could air-drop in to Iran over a 48 hr period.

That should liven things up a bit.


If we catch you using or even touching the American devil's air dropped rifles we will kill you, your family, your friends and your entire inbox contacts list.

QED.
 
2009-12-06 05:11:42 PM  
Which is why we need ab amendment cementing high speed internet as A BASIC CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!
 
2009-12-06 05:11:50 PM  
Obama voted present the last time they did this, so don't waste your time thinking he'll do something substantive this time.

'Bam knows nothing of liberty.
 
2009-12-06 05:13:20 PM  
Merky talks about pussies a lot.

Maybe he's projecting.

/I'm eating bacon
//delicious delicious bacon
 
2009-12-06 05:19:57 PM  

Kittypie070:
/I'm eating bacon
//delicious delicious bacon


You can't have democracy without bacon.
 
2009-12-06 05:22:04 PM  

Oznog: Which is why we need ab amendment cementing high speed internet as A BASIC CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!


It's not a right, anymore than having a cell phone is (both are pay to use services). There is constitutional protection against censorship, but nothing guaranteeing access to the tools to express oneself.
 
2009-12-06 05:36:42 PM  
The only way to get anything substantial to happen there is to somehow arm those people. All the protests in the world don't mean shiat if you can't back it up. I don't see them being armed any time soon, so I doubt we'll get to witness a revolution. Maybe the Brady campaign should take note.
 
G2V
2009-12-06 05:38:06 PM  

Merky: Because my ancestors were not pussies I enjoy freedom.


What strong evidence that pussyness is not a genetically derived trait might look like.
 
2009-12-06 05:58:49 PM  

Persepolis: Ok, to review: Taking out a leader of the country and installing a new government that last several decades = shoestring operation

A group of students taking over the embassy and holding people hostage for a bit over a year = OMG!


"Taking out the leader of the country?" Really? You know the history better than that. They supported an extant group of powerful military officers whose goals were in line with a sizable portion of the electorate. That is why the shah remained in power for so long thereafter. Certainly not everyone in Iran wanted the shah reinstated, but if it wasn't deeply popular with a significant number of Iranians, the coup would have been just as ineffective as most of the CIAs other coup attempts. The truth is, the Shah came back because plenty of Iranians wanted the shah back. And they have the corrupt, imbecilic government they have now because plenty of Iranians wanted (and many still want) them in power.

Look, my heart is with those brave kids out there showing more resolve and guts on a daily basis than I've shown in my whole life. I hope they prevail. I just think we need to be realistic about the "blowback" of getting involved. The Iranians, like most Middle Easterners, have an almost genetic inability to accept any responsibility for their own situations. If we get involved, when things go south, as they almost certainly will (if only transiently) we will catch more of the blame than we will justly deserve.
 
2009-12-06 05:58:54 PM  

Fark-N-Noodle: It's hard to tell where this thread may be going....still early, I guess.



You know...back in the old days, people used to say...

"Huh, I wonder what people have to say about this?"


But not anymore...now we assume people have worthless opinions and are judgemental as to what those opinions are.
 
2009-12-06 05:59:05 PM  
TFA: Government opponents shouted "Allahu Akbar"...

I still find it odd how common this phrase is, even with both sides saying it. What sort of meaning does it have, or does it even have any meaning? I'm picturing two forces yelling at each other "god is great" and I don't see a winner in the argument being declared.

Whose god is really great? Don't they worship the same god? If so, does the losing side think god is less great? But their god should be that other group's god too, so does that mean the god being less great to the loser and more great to the victor balance it out at still being average great? What if you used to be a Muslim and are an atheist now? "God was once great"?
Do agnostic Muslims say "God might be great?"
 
2009-12-06 05:59:36 PM  

British: Where do people in the middle east get all this free time to protest all the time?


They're muslim students so they probably had some free time between "Beating your Woman 101" and "Death to America 103"
 
2009-12-06 06:07:40 PM  

Sir Roderick Glossop: hey supported an extant group of powerful military officers whose goals were in line with a sizable portion of the electorate.


You know who the electorate supported?

Here's a hint, it's the person they elected.

The fact that you can gloss over something like Operation Ajax as a shoestring operation that you can't see what impact it will have on a country for years thereafter makes me thing that we're not going to see eye to eye on this.

Sorry.

Sir Roderick Glossop: And they have the corrupt, imbecilic government they have now because plenty of Iranians wanted (and many still want) them in power.


Do you know how the revolution went down? How many groups were behind the outing of the Shah? How did the clerics rise to power? What cemented them in place?

Quick.. to google! You can come off like a history major.
 
2009-12-06 06:10:44 PM  

Sir Roderick Glossop: If we get involved, when things go south, as they almost certainly will (if only transiently) we will catch more of the blame than we will justly deserve.


For what it's worth, this I agree with.
 
2009-12-06 06:12:11 PM  

soundguy: They're muslim students so they probably had some free time between "Beating your Woman 101" and "Death to America 103"


Have you been following this story at all? I'd tell you to put your brush back in your pocket, but it may be too broad to fit in there.
 
2009-12-06 06:18:42 PM  
Retweet this!

/don't retweet this!
 
2009-12-06 06:19:39 PM  

Tyranicle: oakwolf: Tyranicle: CrispFlows: Tyranicle: Who...gives...a...flying...f*ck...about...Iran...

Circle of life, Flying Farktard.

Could you please explain, c*cksucker?

Only dicks say they don't give a fark about entire nations. I think that was the point.

You're saying I'm a heartless dick because I don't care about another countries internet?

Look, we're not in a situation to care about other countries political situations. Are they being oppressed? Are they fixing the vote? Are they not allowed to worship? Are they being thrown in plastic shredders? Are they developing weapons that wouldn't stand a chance of reaching our counrty?

Who cares! We very seriously have our own problems to deal with. What we're facing now is the complete collapse of the dollar. If and when that happens, we as country simply can't afford to get involved in another middle eastern war for the benifit of some lobbyist group.

F*ck 'em!


And you. Because it's fun for me to hate on people I don't know from shiat, just like it is for you. :)
 
2009-12-06 06:22:19 PM  
twitter.com:

img27.imageshack.us

So what, you're just done until somebody logs off?
 
2009-12-06 06:26:30 PM  

Persepolis: soundguy: They're muslim students so they probably had some free time between "Beating your Woman 101" and "Death to America 103"

Have you been following this story at all? I'd tell you to put your brush back in your pocket, but it may be too broad to fit in there.


It's kinda ironic than an Jew helped me appreciate the diversity among middle eastern nations.

/ That and you. Keep up the good work.
// WTF happend to Tatsuma?!
 
2009-12-06 06:37:27 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Oznog: Which is why we need ab amendment cementing high speed internet as A BASIC CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!

It's not a right, anymore than having a cell phone is (both are pay to use services). There is constitutional protection against censorship, but nothing guaranteeing access to the tools to express oneself.


He didn't say it was a right. He said it should be.
It's not like it hasn't been done (new window) and it's not like
forward thinking Americans aren't persuing this agenda (new window).
 
2009-12-06 06:41:19 PM  

Tyranicle:
Who cares! We very seriously have our own problems to deal with. What we're facing now is the complete collapse of the dollar. If and when that happens, we as country simply can't afford to get involved in another middle eastern war for the benifit of some lobbyist group.

F*ck 'em!


A little history lesson for you:

1) When was the great depression and How long did it last?
2) When did the US get involved in WWII?

By your logic regarding economic stability, US should not have been involved in WWII.

Isolationist policies does not work and severely limits global trade, especially for the US since the country have the largest global commerce than any other country in the world.

PS:
In my view, US economic problems are derived from ignorance - Namely the average public illiteracy of credit, debt, financial responsibility and legal liability. Especially legal liability.

You would need to retain a law firm to ensure yourself from fraud, frivolous lawsuits and poor leverage in contracts.
 
2009-12-06 06:47:11 PM  

Persepolis: The fact that you can gloss over something like Operation Ajax as a shoestring operation that you can't see what impact it will have on a country for years thereafter makes me thing that we're not going to see eye to eye on this..


"The cost [of Operation Ajax] was minimal- less than two hundred thousand dollars- and the risk, while significant, was not greater in the agency's estimation, than if nothing were done." p. 262

Quoting Kermit Roosevelt explaining to Sec State Dulles how an operation like Ajax couldn't likely be replicated: "I said to the group when I'd finished that this operation had succeeded because the people, but most of all the army, wanted the same thing we did and therefore it was something that could be done by clandestine means." p. 264

Source: Ranelagh, John. The Agency: The Rise and Decline of the CIA. Touchstone. New York 1987.

If you think $200K is not a shoestring operation for the CIA then you're right. We probably won't see eye to eye. My point is that Iranians bear the vast majority of the responsibility for their own predicament, pre and post revolution. Not to hear them- or apparently you, for that matter- tell it. Until they sack up and take some responsibility they'll always be someone's "victims".
 
2009-12-06 06:54:53 PM  

Merky: To all the pathetic haters of my comments: My ancestors died to give me the freedom I enjoy. It is not something I take for granted. I am thankful everyday for those freedoms that I enjoy. That being said, freedom is not free. Someone has to make sacrifices for future generations. It's not fair but neither is life. Because my ancestors were not pussies I enjoy freedom. The future generations of Iran will not enjoy freedom if this generation continues to be pussies. It is just as simple as that.


Troll 4/10, would snark again.
 
2009-12-06 06:58:50 PM  
Somebody asked earlier who cares what happens in Iran? Maybe this will give you an idea.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-shahryar/irans-voice-will-be-heard​_​b_381725. h tml
 
2009-12-06 07:00:15 PM  

Sir Roderick Glossop: If you think $200K is not a shoestring operation for the CIA then you're right.


The amount of money spent on it is irrelevant. It's the outcome it gathered.

Shoot, Bedouins with no shoes can buy a $10 boxcutter and pull off a "shoestring" terrorist act. It doesn't mean it wouldn't have an larger impact than it's 10 dollar budget would leave you to believe.

Sir Roderick Glossop: My point is that Iranians bear the vast majority of the responsibility for their own predicament, pre and post revolution.


Ok, I can live with that statement. I think you are minimizing the effect of what we did had. Something I think we both can agree on. Our hands were not clean in the matter, thus fingers are pointed at us.

It will be the same with any clandestine effort to form another revolution there. We have to let that egg hatch on its own.
 
2009-12-06 07:01:53 PM  

studebaker hoch: twitter.com:

So what, you're just done until somebody logs off?


Aaaaand it's back.

Guess it's time to start RTing like it's 1999.
 
2009-12-06 07:08:11 PM  

Weaver95: MIguy: Merky: The future generations of Iran will not enjoy freedom if this generation continues to be pussies. It is just as simple as that.

But Twitter dude, they're using Twitter.

yeah...and it worked....


It did absolutely nothing except make a bunch of Internet warriors feel like they were making a difference. Oh and it also got some people killed in Iran so there's that.
 
2009-12-06 07:11:17 PM  

Tyranicle: You're saying I'm a heartless dick because I don't care about another countries internet?


Another country's flow of information. Their only link to the outside world.

Fark you. Fark you long, and fark you hard.

You know what? I'm breaking one of my own rules here. Welcome to the ignore list, dickbag.
 
2009-12-06 07:12:06 PM  

fasahd: Uchiha_Cycliste: Oznog: Which is why we need ab amendment cementing high speed internet as A BASIC CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!

It's not a right, anymore than having a cell phone is (both are pay to use services). There is constitutional protection against censorship, but nothing guaranteeing access to the tools to express oneself.

He didn't say it was a right. He said it should be.
It's not like it hasn't been done (new window) and it's not like
forward thinking Americans aren't pursuing this agenda (new window).


You are right, my bad. I don't agree it should be a right. At it's core this is saying that all citizens are guaranteed access to whatever the newest and greatest technology is. I think that ideal pushes us pretty far into the socialism realm and legally becomes a nasty slippery slope. Legal decisions must be made to determine what is a right and what is a luxury. Having a right to the internet means ALSO that the gov must provide you with a computer, and electricity. Also, it removes any incentive to strive to acquire these things for oneself (the driving force behind capitalism). I think it would negatively effect innovation. The top end market would fall out in favor of developing something that would force the government to distribute to the whole country. There is so much more money to be made if the US buys a product for every household as instead of targeting the few million people who would buy a state of the art machine. Finally one could argue that access is already guaranteed via public access computers at libraries, but really that is a service libraries provide their patrons, not the manifestation of a right for the public to have their voice heard. Sorry for the extra-rambly post.
 
2009-12-06 07:20:01 PM  
I wonder if the company I work for knows that our IT department is moonlighting for the Iranians.
 
2009-12-06 07:21:06 PM  

Nick Nostril: I wonder if the company I work for knows that our IT department is moonlighting for the Iranians.


I wish i could ^like this statement.
 
2009-12-06 07:30:11 PM  

CrispFlows: Tyranicle:
Who cares! We very seriously have our own problems to deal with. What we're facing now is the complete collapse of the dollar. If and when that happens, we as country simply can't afford to get involved in another middle eastern war for the benifit of some lobbyist group.

F*ck 'em!

A little history lesson for you:

1) When was the great depression and How long did it last?
2) When did the US get involved in WWII?

By your logic regarding economic stability, US should not have been involved in WWII.

Isolationist policies does not work and severely limits global trade, especially for the US since the country have the largest global commerce than any other country in the world.

PS:
In my view, US economic problems are derived from ignorance - Namely the average public illiteracy of credit, debt, financial responsibility and legal liability. Especially legal liability.

You would need to retain a law firm to ensure yourself from fraud, frivolous lawsuits and poor leverage in contracts.


A little history for you:

The United States became rich becouse we were paid by the British (in gold) for our involvement in WWII. That money is gone now. We are no longer the country that we've grown up with. We're more like Canada, except more populated.

Economic wise, I'm grateful we got involved in WWII (though the european campain was as unpopular as the Vietnam and/or current war. Won't read that in your history books)

As far as who is to "benefit", I was pertaining to AIPAC. The Jewish lobbyist group resposible for paying off our politicians and media for getting us involved in this sh*tstorm.

Anything after "P.S.", I don't think pertains to the conversation.
 
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