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(kenosha news)   Dumb: Guy travels two hours to the #1 drinking town in the U.S., gets plastered, and gets beat up/robbed. Dumber: He refuses to go to the hospital. Fark: He's suing because, well, it must be a hate crime   (kenoshanews.com) divider line 137
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2009-12-05 07:19:40 PM  
It was a 'hate crime' alright; the attackers hate drunken, loud-mouth wentz's.
 
2009-12-05 07:20:28 PM  
halfof33: peterquince: halfof33: Meh, the guy sounds like he deserved a solid beat down.

As he sits, he continues to ask, "why?"

Because you were drunk and stupid.

Nice bandanna though.

What did he do that was stupid? His friend made a comment about him being gay, and he got jumped. Sounds like there's some story missing. But according to TFA:

"Outside of her campus-area apartment, the friend made a drunken comment about Miller's sexual orientation. Four unknown college-age men standing on the porch took notice, and the next thing Miller knew, he was being knocked over a railing and onto the ground, unconscious."

There's no statement of him doing anything inappropriate or stupid.fark, don't be a sucker.

Hey, sport, don't believe every thing you read in the local yokel papers that was farking stage managed by a well known local plaintiff's personal injury lawyer.

The guy was a douche, and he should take what he learned from the beating and use it as a learning experience.


Like I have, I can now close tags.
 
2009-12-05 07:21:11 PM  
"It's not about how drunk I was, it's not about where I was. It was about people having no tolerance."

What get's me is this guy still won't admit his drinking had anything to do with what happened. Hate crime or not, if he hadn't been drinking so much I'm willing to bet nothing would have happened.
 
2009-12-05 07:25:59 PM  
bugmn99: PerfectStorm: I was sure the article had to do with some guy going to Butte, Montana during St. Patrick's Day.

No, sadly his injuries now prevent him from trying out for the Butte baseball team. What was the name of that team again?


The Copper Kings, and sadly, they have been gone for quite some time.

Seems no one in Butte knows how to manage a sports team, so we get one, they suck forever and then end up moving to another city.
 
2009-12-05 07:30:51 PM  
johm: Gays should never be a protected class. People could not choose their skin color or their gender but you can choose to be a homosexual or a normal person.

4/10 you'll get some bites but you don't deserve them
 
2009-12-05 07:38:27 PM  
zedster: johm: Gays should never be a protected class. People could not choose their skin color or their gender but you can choose to be a homosexual or a normal person.

4/10 you'll get some bites but you don't deserve them


Unlikely. This thread has already been trolled to death by FloydA.
 
2009-12-05 07:40:36 PM  
johm: Gays should never be a protected class. People could not choose their skin color or their gender but you can choose to be a homosexual or a normal person.

1 - you're factually incorrect.
2 - even if you were correct, religion (a choice) is a protected trait. this proves that choice is irrelevant.
 
2009-12-05 07:41:15 PM  
Tom Paulin: Just cause they heard the girl comment that the guy was gay doesn't make it a hate crime.

They might have been hanging around looking for an easy target to rob. Then they hear how this guy is gay and think "Hey, if he's gay he's probably a sissy, we can easily beat him up and steal his stuff".


This is true. That's why it's not a hate crime unless intention can be proved.
 
2009-12-05 07:41:27 PM  
tukatz: I know that getting sloshed in Madison will most certainly set me up for a robbing and beating. That's a lot of drunks in one small place. The criminals must think of Halloween as their ultimate pay day.
1. Roll drunk
2. Take money
3. Profit

I just think it's stupid that this guy is criticizing the cops/firefighters for not helping him. Should they have called him ahead of time to tell him "Hey, when you're in Madison, don't stumble around drunk in the alleys. K thanks bye."?


Interesting, so if someone gets in a car accident the cops should call ahead to tell them "Hey, you're on a road people in heavy vehicles drive fast there, stay out of their way. K thanks bye."?

Of if they say were shot, the cops could call ahead and say "Hey you're kind of a squishy fleshy thing, stay out of the way of fast moving lead things. K Thanks bye."?

I guess it's just me that thinks maybe we should expect a little more from the trained professionals. I'm guessing you think abused woman should be ridiculed as well, cause biatch had it coming, right?
 
2009-12-05 07:43:32 PM  
halfof33: peterquince: halfof33: Meh, the guy sounds like he deserved a solid beat down.

As he sits, he continues to ask, "why?"

Because you were drunk and stupid.

Nice bandanna though.

What did he do that was stupid? His friend made a comment about him being gay, and he got jumped. Sounds like there's some story missing. But according to TFA:

"Outside of her campus-area apartment, the friend made a drunken comment about Miller's sexual orientation. Four unknown college-age men standing on the porch took notice, and the next thing Miller knew, he was being knocked over a railing and onto the ground, unconscious."

There's no statement of him doing anything inappropriate or stupid.fark, don't be a sucker.

Hey, sport, don't believe every thing you read in the local yokel papers that was farking stage managed by a well known local plaintiff's personal injury lawyer.

The guy was a douche, and he should take what he learned from the beating and use it as a learning experience.


As I also said in that post. It sounds to me like there's something missing from this report. But since we're discussing the article, based on the article, he didn't do anything wrong. Any suggestion to the contrary is speculation at best and blaming the victim at worst.

/I'm not your sport, friend.
 
2009-12-05 07:43:49 PM  
Tom Paulin: Just cause they heard the girl comment that the guy was gay doesn't make it a hate crime.

They might have been hanging around looking for an easy target to rob. Then they hear how this guy is gay and think "Hey, if he's gay he's probably a sissy, we can easily beat him up and steal his stuff".


This is what I was thinking. If some guy was mouthing off to me and before we resorted to fisticuffs I were to say something like "I am going to wreck you, fattass. If you're feeling froggy just jump." (because I am WAY cooler when talking about me fighting than I am when actually faced with a fight). Then does it become a hate crime against fat people?

What if I beat up a chineese guy but call him the "n" word when the blows are reining down? Is that a hate crime?

What if they called him a fag because that is what many people call someone as a generic slur and he happened to be gay? Is that winning the hate crime lotto?
 
2009-12-05 07:44:23 PM  
dude didnt get beat up for being gay,he got beat up for putting himself in the position to get beat up. and then,hes a douche to the emts that came to help him and he blames them. heres the deal,if
you drink enough to cause yourself to look like an easy mark,the predators in this world will prey on you. kinda thinking theres more to this story then is being told. a lot more. he just doesnt remember most of it.stupid straight folks get beat up too,they just dont have the card to pull.
 
2009-12-05 07:44:33 PM  
GoodOmens: "It's not about how drunk I was, it's not about where I was. It was about people having no tolerance."

What get's me is this guy still won't admit his drinking had anything to do with what happened. Hate crime or not, if he hadn't been drinking so much I'm willing to bet nothing would have happened.


Again. According to the story as we've heard it, he was standing on a porch or whatever and got jumped. We have no evidence that he did anything wrong.
 
2009-12-05 07:48:12 PM  
jst3p: Tom Paulin: Just cause they heard the girl comment that the guy was gay doesn't make it a hate crime.

They might have been hanging around looking for an easy target to rob. Then they hear how this guy is gay and think "Hey, if he's gay he's probably a sissy, we can easily beat him up and steal his stuff".

This is what I was thinking. If some guy was mouthing off to me and before we resorted to fisticuffs I were to say something like "I am going to wreck you, fattass. If you're feeling froggy just jump." (because I am WAY cooler when talking about me fighting than I am when actually faced with a fight). Then does it become a hate crime against fat people?

What if I beat up a chineese guy but call him the "n" word when the blows are reining down? Is that a hate crime?

What if they called him a fag because that is what many people call someone as a generic slur and he happened to be gay? Is that winning the hate crime lotto?


None of those instances would be hate crimes. At least under the new federal hate crime statute, it would have to be a violent crime involving a weapon that had traveled through interstate commerce.

Second. Calling someone a slur while fighting them doesn't establish intent. If you said "I'm going to kick your ass cause you're a fag" or "cause that's what fag's deserve," that might prove intent. The prosecutor will have to show that you're committing the crime or chose the target because of whatever protected characteristic you're using.
 
2009-12-05 07:50:57 PM  
peterquince: jst3p: Tom Paulin: Just cause they heard the girl comment that the guy was gay doesn't make it a hate crime.

They might have been hanging around looking for an easy target to rob. Then they hear how this guy is gay and think "Hey, if he's gay he's probably a sissy, we can easily beat him up and steal his stuff".

This is what I was thinking. If some guy was mouthing off to me and before we resorted to fisticuffs I were to say something like "I am going to wreck you, fattass. If you're feeling froggy just jump." (because I am WAY cooler when talking about me fighting than I am when actually faced with a fight). Then does it become a hate crime against fat people?

What if I beat up a chineese guy but call him the "n" word when the blows are reining down? Is that a hate crime?

What if they called him a fag because that is what many people call someone as a generic slur and he happened to be gay? Is that winning the hate crime lotto?

None of those instances would be hate crimes. At least under the new federal hate crime statute, it would have to be a violent crime involving a weapon that had traveled through interstate commerce.

Second. Calling someone a slur while fighting them doesn't establish intent. If you said "I'm going to kick your ass cause you're a fag" or "cause that's what fag's deserve," that might prove intent. The prosecutor will have to show that you're committing the crime or chose the target because of whatever protected characteristic you're using.


Then it sounds like this guy is going to have a hard time proving "hate crime". Even if his version of the story is accurate, which I highly doubt.
 
2009-12-05 07:52:32 PM  
porterm: ude didnt get beat up for being gay,he got beat up for putting himself in the position to get beat up. and then,hes a douche to the emts that came to help him and he blames them. heres the deal,if
you drink enough to cause yourself to look like an easy mark,the predators in this world will prey on you. kinda thinking theres more to this story then is being told. a lot more. he just doesnt remember most of it.stupid straight folks get beat up too,they just dont have the card to pull.


There's not enough information in the article to know definitively why he was beat up. But the fact that the beating came moments after the agressors found out his sexual orientation, and that it was particularly more violent than necessary to steal a wallet (notice they didn't just knock him down, but they threw him over a railing and kicked his chest in), raise the possibility that orientation could have been a motivator.
 
2009-12-05 07:55:01 PM  
jst3p: Then it sounds like this guy is going to have a hard time proving "hate crime". Even if his version of the story is accurate, which I highly doubt.

Hate crimes are really hard to prove by their nature. And I think that's appropriate. That's also why I'm not arguing that this necessarily was a hate crime.

The prosecutor has to get a jury to climb inside a defendant's head and understand exactly why he chose his victim. That's why I've never understood why people get so up in arms about hate crime statutes. They're rarely prosecuted and they're hard to prove.
 
2009-12-05 07:55:38 PM  
BGates: Are not all assaults hate crimes? "I beat him up because I hated him".

Yeah yeah, whatever there mister sense maker.
 
2009-12-05 07:58:43 PM  
voodoowizard: BGates: Are not all assaults hate crimes? "I beat him up because I hated him".

Yeah yeah, whatever there mister sense maker.


Well no. Hate crime has a very specific legal definition. The term itself isn't very good, and a more accurate label would be "bias-based crimes." But having a lame-ass label doesn't mean the legal principle is invalid.
 
2009-12-05 08:04:42 PM  
They didn't beat him cause he was gay. It was obviously because he was a Mac user.
 
2009-12-05 08:05:38 PM  
"#1 drinking city"? Puh-leeze

blog.nola.com
 
2009-12-05 08:08:32 PM  
peterquince: voodoowizard: BGates: Are not all assaults hate crimes? "I beat him up because I hated him".

Yeah yeah, whatever there mister sense maker.

Well no. Hate crime has a very specific legal definition. The term itself isn't very good, and a more accurate label would be "bias-based crimes." But having a lame-ass label doesn't mean the legal principle is invalid.


You have about a good of sense of humor as FloydA.
 
2009-12-05 08:10:21 PM  
hero tag needed for girl that layed on top of him to stop the attack. some of the farkers here probably would have berated the guy while the beating continued for drinking and allowing himself to be in that position. and of course for being a fag
 
2009-12-05 08:11:27 PM  
peterquince: jst3p: Then it sounds like this guy is going to have a hard time proving "hate crime". Even if his version of the story is accurate, which I highly doubt.

Hate crimes are really hard to prove by their nature. And I think that's appropriate. That's also why I'm not arguing that this necessarily was a hate crime.

The prosecutor has to get a jury to climb inside a defendant's head and understand exactly why he chose his victim. That's why I've never understood why people get so up in arms about hate crime statutes. They're rarely prosecuted and they're hard to prove.


Not anymore with the special laws recently passed. Basically, hated on groups get special rights now. This douche is trying to take advantage of that.
 
2009-12-05 08:14:42 PM  
BGates: peterquince: voodoowizard: BGates: Are not all assaults hate crimes? "I beat him up because I hated him".

Yeah yeah, whatever there mister sense maker.

Well no. Hate crime has a very specific legal definition. The term itself isn't very good, and a more accurate label would be "bias-based crimes." But having a lame-ass label doesn't mean the legal principle is invalid.

You have about a good of sense of humor as FloydA.


If that was an attempt a humor, you failed, as your comment didn't even rise to the level of witty. Further, it was based on a false premise. Rejecting a false premise doesn't show a lack of humor. It shows that your assessment of your own humor is flawed.
 
2009-12-05 08:16:25 PM  
peterquince: BGates: peterquince: voodoowizard: BGates: Are not all assaults hate crimes? "I beat him up because I hated him".

Yeah yeah, whatever there mister sense maker.

Well no. Hate crime has a very specific legal definition. The term itself isn't very good, and a more accurate label would be "bias-based crimes." But having a lame-ass label doesn't mean the legal principle is invalid.

You have about a good of sense of humor as FloydA.

If that was an attempt a humor, you failed, as your comment didn't even rise to the level of witty. Further, it was based on a false premise. Rejecting a false premise doesn't show a lack of humor. It shows that your assessment of your own humor is flawed.


Wow. You sound like a fun guy to bring to a party.
 
2009-12-05 08:20:08 PM  
Bhasayate: peterquince: jst3p: Then it sounds like this guy is going to have a hard time proving "hate crime". Even if his version of the story is accurate, which I highly doubt.

Hate crimes are really hard to prove by their nature. And I think that's appropriate. That's also why I'm not arguing that this necessarily was a hate crime.

The prosecutor has to get a jury to climb inside a defendant's head and understand exactly why he chose his victim. That's why I've never understood why people get so up in arms about hate crime statutes. They're rarely prosecuted and they're hard to prove.

Not anymore with the special laws recently passed. Basically, hated on groups get special rights now. This douche is trying to take advantage of that.


Not to sound like a dick here, but you're not correct. The recent law (only one of them) hasn't changed the substance of what is and is not illegal. It (1) provided federal resources for states to investigate their own pre-existing hate-crime laws, and (2) gave the federal government the ability to investigate a sub-set of hate crimes in limited circumstances. It also added sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, and disability to the list of protected characteristics.

Please note: these laws don't only protect minority groups. It prohibits attacking members of the majority group just as strongly as it prohibits attacking members of minority groups.

Further, the kid cannot (he has literally no ability) to actually bring hate crime charges against his attackers. He can sue for damages, but motive doesn't come into play for monetary damages. For a civil suit, he can only sue for battery. Hate crimes are an issue of criminal law, and only prosecutable by a prosecutor.
 
2009-12-05 08:21:30 PM  
BGates: peterquince: BGates: peterquince: voodoowizard: BGates: Are not all assaults hate crimes? "I beat him up because I hated him".

Yeah yeah, whatever there mister sense maker.

Well no. Hate crime has a very specific legal definition. The term itself isn't very good, and a more accurate label would be "bias-based crimes." But having a lame-ass label doesn't mean the legal principle is invalid.

You have about a good of sense of humor as FloydA.

If that was an attempt a humor, you failed, as your comment didn't even rise to the level of witty. Further, it was based on a false premise. Rejecting a false premise doesn't show a lack of humor. It shows that your assessment of your own humor is flawed.

Wow. You sound like a fun guy to bring to a party.


Read his posts in Ben Stien's voice. Funny shiat.
 
2009-12-05 08:23:14 PM  
BGates: peterquince: BGates: peterquince: voodoowizard: BGates: Are not all assaults hate crimes? "I beat him up because I hated him".

Yeah yeah, whatever there mister sense maker.

Well no. Hate crime has a very specific legal definition. The term itself isn't very good, and a more accurate label would be "bias-based crimes." But having a lame-ass label doesn't mean the legal principle is invalid.

You have about a good of sense of humor as FloydA.

If that was an attempt a humor, you failed, as your comment didn't even rise to the level of witty. Further, it was based on a false premise. Rejecting a false premise doesn't show a lack of humor. It shows that your assessment of your own humor is flawed.

Wow. You sound like a fun guy to bring to a party.


Yeah, when i re-read that I heard it coming from Lilith on Cheers. That still doesn't make VooDooWizard's comment funny.

/I'm actually lots of fun at a party. This may have something to do with the fact that I'm also writing a memo on war crimes in my other window. Kind of focused on "be logical" right now.
 
2009-12-05 08:23:49 PM  
peterquince: Not to sound like a dick here

Oh, I think it's way too late for that...
 
2009-12-05 08:26:39 PM  
Dr. Nick Riviera: peterquince: Not to sound like a dick here

Oh, I think it's way too late for that...


That works. I just don't like telling people they're wrong when they're wrong. "You're not correct" seemed so much cuddlier and friendlier.
 
2009-12-05 08:30:55 PM  
peterquince: BGates: peterquince: BGates: peterquince: voodoowizard: BGates: Are not all assaults hate crimes? "I beat him up because I hated him".

Yeah yeah, whatever there mister sense maker.

Well no. Hate crime has a very specific legal definition. The term itself isn't very good, and a more accurate label would be "bias-based crimes." But having a lame-ass label doesn't mean the legal principle is invalid.

You have about a good of sense of humor as FloydA.

If that was an attempt a humor, you failed, as your comment didn't even rise to the level of witty. Further, it was based on a false premise. Rejecting a false premise doesn't show a lack of humor. It shows that your assessment of your own humor is flawed.

Wow. You sound like a fun guy to bring to a party.

Yeah, when i re-read that I heard it coming from Lilith on Cheers. That still doesn't make VooDooWizard's comment funny.

/I'm actually lots of fun at a party. This may have something to do with the fact that I'm also writing a memo on war crimes in my other window. Kind of focused on "be logical" right now.


Sounds good then.
 
2009-12-05 08:33:15 PM  
BGates: Sounds good then.

yeah. good talk. see ya out there.
 
2009-12-05 08:36:41 PM  
I'd hit it.

/woof to tha cub
 
2009-12-05 08:44:23 PM  
BGates: Are not all assaults hate crimes? "I beat him up because I hated him".

No, not necessarily.

Some people get beat up because, once in a while, they just plain deserve an asswhoopin'.

And sometimes, when the smoke clears and the blood dries, they'll come to and realize that they did deserve it, and will say so.

/Unfortunately, it doesn't always happen, about 5% of the time if you're lucky.
 
2009-12-05 08:47:33 PM  
There has to be more to the story. I have a friend who got his ass kicked outside of a bar so bad that he had to have surgery on his face. The way he tells it, he was jumped for no reason, but anyone that knows him knows he's an asshole drunk who talks a bunch of shiat to random strangers. I'm not trying to blame the victim, but the story is just to weird.
 
2009-12-05 08:53:42 PM  
just saying petey,theres more to the story then being revealed.
and its very likely ,much more.
you cant really call this a hate crime based on the victums recollections of an admittedly drunken night of hell raising without
finding out first what his attackers were thinking when they attacked him. therefore,its a bandwagon attempt at classifying this as a hate crime.. the smoking gun isnt,at this time there. just uncorroborated testimony. where is the girls testimony? the one that called his sexual preference out? i dont see it.if this were righteous,surely she would be quoted. as of now,its just one dudes
recollection of the event,from an admitted chemically impaired view.
 
Ral
2009-12-05 08:55:33 PM  
The entire concept of a "hate crime" is stupid and should not exist in law. Basically you're punishing someone for what they think/believe (Thoughtcrime, awesome).

Assault is already illegal. Punish that. Threats against one's life and safety are already illegal. Punish that.

Don't tack on some extra punishment because of the attacker's supposed thoughts.

Yes, bigotry is repulsive. But it should not be illegal.
 
2009-12-05 08:57:20 PM  
I could have sworn I heard that Austin,Texas is the "drunkest town" in the US.


I seem to recall reading that here on FARK so it must be true.
 
2009-12-05 09:00:03 PM  
Come on, you know some of them could use a good beating.

www.hollyweirdgazette.com
 
2009-12-05 09:04:53 PM  
Okay: How'd the assailants know the guy was gay? There some kind of license plate you hang round your neck or something?

The way I figure, it happened like this:

1. Guy goes to a party.

2. He is not used to drinking.

3. He is somewhat of a horse's ass anyway.

4. He gets plastered and turns into a REAL horse's ass.

5. He shoots his mouth off one too many times, and gets the crap beat out of him.

That about get it?
 
2009-12-05 09:06:37 PM  
olddinosaur: Okay: How'd the assailants know the guy was gay? There some kind of license plate you hang round your neck or something?

The way I figure, it happened like this:

1. Guy goes to a party.

2. He is not used to drinking.

3. He is somewhat of a horse's ass anyway.

4. He gets plastered and turns into a REAL horse's ass.

5. He shoots his mouth off one too many times, and gets the crap beat out of him.

That about get it?


Yep.

Except also the paramedics were mean to him. Because he was a drunk as you say, horse's ass. Boo-hoo-hoo.
 
2009-12-05 09:09:35 PM  
I just came here to say that Austin, TX is the number one town to drink in. I don't know if they consume the most by volume though..
 
2009-12-05 09:18:34 PM  
There have actually been a few crimes here in WV where classifying it as a "Hate Crime" has actually gotten the offender a shorter sentence.

/I really came here to say that beating up a ginger is not a hate crime.
 
2009-12-05 09:25:54 PM  
Are you sure he was beat up because he was gay? It couldn't be the fact that he is a hipster douche who is trying waaaaay too hard to be ironically cool.

I mean, out of all photos they could have taken for the article, they take this one;
www.kenoshanews.com

Too large headphones
Ironic headband
Ironic beard
Mostly likely Ironic inner arm tattoo (Is that a cassette tattoo?)
Mac User (And oh, look, he just so happens to be listening to some music when the photographers were snapping. How detached cool.)
Overly snug 80's style shirt
Crashing on Mom's couch (The article goes; "His injuries have made him unable to sleep in his bed, he said." Yeah, right. That's why hospitals are filled with patients lying on couches.)

I don't know the guy and I automatically want to punch him in the face.
 
2009-12-05 09:37:41 PM  
I live in Madison, and not a week goes by that the Madison or UW PD isn't telling the goof kids that getting sloshed out of your mind and walking the streets is a really bad idea.
 
2009-12-05 09:50:25 PM  
BGates: You have about a good of sense of humor as FloydA.

Violence, especially that with victims chosen solely due to their race, gender or sexual orientation, is not something decent human beings find funny.

I'm sure you'd have been a riot at Hitler's parties, though.

Ral: The entire concept of a "hate crime" is stupid and should not exist in law. Basically you're punishing someone for what they think/believe (Thoughtcrime, awesome).

Assault is already illegal. Punish that. Threats against one's life and safety are already illegal. Punish that.


It's not so much 'thought' as it is motivation, which is very important in considering a criminal case. I think it is relevant in sentencing and would be a lot more relevant if the penal system were to be focusing on rehabilitation rather than on simple punishment (or on being a holding cell; jail is useful for one thing: keeping the nasty, irredeemable criminals away from the rest of us). I don't know that 'extra' sentencing is necessary, so much as maybe different.

I have been the victim of a violent crime and the person who attacked me was looking for money for drugs. Had they caught him, I would have preferred to have seen him treated. For someone who assaults people because they are, say, homosexual and is hoping to send a message to the homosexual community, that is a very serious crime, much more so than a bar brawl. Why a crime occurs is incredibly important and they need to be treated differently; not all actions are equal. If your brother-in-law was beating up your sister and broke her nose all because he was drunk and had imagined she was having an affair, and your best friend and you got into a drunken argument and he broke your nose, would you want both men treated the same by the law? The essential assault is the same; the difference is in the motivation and in the ongoing terrorization of your sister.

Furthermore, I would assume you are against terrorists being sentenced for anything beyond simply their violent acts? The 9/11 terrorists should be treated as simple murderers? Or do you think people who commit assault with the intent to terrorize a community are terrorists?
 
2009-12-05 10:04:13 PM  
Likwit: I have a friend who got his ass kicked outside of a bar so bad that he had to have surgery on his face.

OMG, dude, that's farkin' hilarious! No meanness intended, but it made me wonder just how bad a bar has to be that it would require one to have surgery on his face!

(Sorry, bro, but that made me laugh pretty hard.)
 
2009-12-05 10:05:37 PM  
porterm: just saying petey,theres more to the story then being revealed.
and its very likely ,much more.
you cant really call this a hate crime based on the victums recollections of an admittedly drunken night of hell raising without
finding out first what his attackers were thinking when they attacked him. therefore,its a bandwagon attempt at classifying this as a hate crime.. the smoking gun isnt,at this time there. just uncorroborated testimony. where is the girls testimony? the one that called his sexual preference out? i dont see it.if this were righteous,surely she would be quoted. as of now,its just one dudes
recollection of the event,from an admitted chemically impaired view.


I agree. There is not enough information to call this a hate crime. I've been saying that all along.

I've also said there is likely part of the story missing.
 
2009-12-05 10:12:56 PM  
I wonder what the tattoo on his left bicep is?
 
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