How many slobbering drunk guys did the paramedics encounter that night? I would guess a lot.... the guy didn't give consent to be taken to the hospital, so they assumed he was another fall down drunk. Madison is known for professional drinking and roving bands of dangerous fools.

I've done some ridealongs with Madison's P.D. and the UW's P.D. I was amazed at their patience and tolerance for the drunkards, idiots and drama queens they had to deal with all night. Unless they actually find the guys who beat him up, he needs to just chalk this up to one of those unforgettable life lessons.

And calling it a hate crime? Madison's criminals don't discriminate... everyone's money is green.

No one takes personal responsibility anymore. I would like to know what the argument with his female friend was about. That probably triggered the guys on the porch to attack him...I would say it's his own drunken fault, not some 'hate' crime.

BGates: Are not all assaults hate crimes? "I beat him up because I hated him".


Nope.

"I beat him up because I hated him" is not a hate crime, it is assault, but it is an assault against an individual.

"I beat him up because I hate Black/Gay/Jewish/White/Christian/etc. people" is a very different type of crime. It is also assault, but it is an assault against an entire community, intended to instill fear.

Assault is a crime against an individual; hate crimes are assaults against an entire group and are therefore a form of terrorism. The effects of a hate crime assault are felt not just by the victim of the assault but also by others who share some similarity with him/her.

All of that said, I don't know if this particular case is a hate crime; that would be up to any future prosecutors to prove in court.

Outside of her campus-area apartment, the friend made a drunken comment about Miller's sexual orientation. Four unknown college-age men standing on the porch took notice, and the next thing Miller knew, he was being knocked over a railing and onto the ground, unconscious.

If it went down as reported, that's a hate crime.

Mythy: No one takes personal responsibility anymore. I would like to know what the argument with his female friend was about. That probably triggered the guys on the porch to attack him...I would say it's his own drunken fault, not some 'hate' crime.

Blame the victim. Classy.

BGates:

I guess my comment was a little bit over your head.


Do you disagree with what I wrote?

Barakku: He hits me because he loves me

Mom?

I know that getting sloshed in Madison will most certainly set me up for a robbing and beating. That's a lot of drunks in one small place. The criminals must think of Halloween as their ultimate pay day.
1. Roll drunk
2. Take money
3. Profit

I just think it's stupid that this guy is criticizing the cops/firefighters for not helping him. Should they have called him ahead of time to tell him "Hey, when you're in Madison, don't stumble around drunk in the alleys. K thanks bye."?

ScubaDude1960:

I'll bet that you went to public school.

Do you disagree with what I wrote?

ScubaDude1960: FloydA: ScubaDude1960:

I'll bet that you went to public school.

Do you disagree with what I wrote?

Yes. I thought that was obvious. Battery is battery. I don't feel terrorized every time a black person with racist motivations beats up a white person.



Do you recognize a difference between assault and terrorism?

BGates:

Yes. I thought that was obvious. Battery is battery. I don't feel terrorized every time a black person with racist motivations beats up a white person.

That's racist to think it's a hate crime.


That's a very stupid thing to say. Are you stupid?

BGates:

You have no sense of humor or irony do you?


I have a fine sense of humor. It's just that your "Durr Hurr I hates the darkies! Hurr Hurr Hurr!" gibberish is just not very funny.


Now do you, or do you not recognize a difference between simple assault and terrorism?

BGates:


Wow, you are a complete moron. Go troll somebody else.


So you can't answer simple questions?

I guess Rush hasn't told you the correct answer yet. Get back to me when the talking point is released.

BGates:

WTF are you talking about? Again, I gave you a label you don't deserve, you aren't a moron, you're a complete farking idiot.

I don't block people, but you are getting pretty close to being an exception to the rule.


You can't or won't answer a simple question, and you think I'm an idiot for pointing that out?

Suit yourself, put me on ignore. I'll miss your insightful comments, I'm sure.

Whatever.

ScubaDude1960:

Yes I do. Apparently, you don't.


Fine, now we're getting somewhere.

What do you think is the difference between assault and terrorism?

real shaman: FloydA: ScubaDude1960:

Yes I do. Apparently, you don't.


Fine, now we're getting somewhere.

What do you think is the difference between assault and terrorism?

assault is when I tell you that you;re a farking asshole.... terrorism is when I bomb your farking asshole house.


That's cute there sparky. Now put your helmet on and go play.

Meh, the guy sounds like he deserved a solid beat down.

As he sits, he continues to ask, "why?"

Because you were drunk and stupid.

Nice bandanna though.

If I had a quarter for every time I've been unconscious I'd be very rich. This guy should be satisfied with his newfound cred and move on.

peterquince: halfof33: Meh, the guy sounds like he deserved a solid beat down.

As he sits, he continues to ask, "why?"

Because you were drunk and stupid.

Nice bandanna though.

What did he do that was stupid? His friend made a comment about him being gay, and he got jumped. Sounds like there's some story missing. But according to TFA:

"Outside of her campus-area apartment, the friend made a drunken comment about Miller's sexual orientation. Four unknown college-age men standing on the porch took notice, and the next thing Miller knew, he was being knocked over a railing and onto the ground, unconscious."

There's no statement of him doing anything inappropriate or stupid.fark, don't be a sucker.

Hey, sport, don't believe every thing you read in the local yokel papers that was farking stage managed by a well known local plaintiff's personal injury lawyer.

The guy was a douche, and he should take what he learned from the beating and use it as a learning experience.