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2009-12-05 01:44:34 PM
SeriousGeorge: One has to continue to marvel at the detective skills and scientific prowess of the denier community.

Well, climategate deniers are kinda new. It just happened ya know.
 
2009-12-05 01:45:02 PM
3_Butt_Cheeks: You mean global warming/global cooling/climate change has turned into a money driven corruptathon?

Yes. Glad you're on board.

In five years, when this has blown over, there will be a brand spanking new corruptathon for all to embrace.
 
2009-12-05 01:45:07 PM
Zagloba: 3_Butt_Cheeks: You mean global warming/global cooling/climate change has turned into a money driven corruptathon? Now countries are so neck deep invested in it, they must maintain the illusion?

This is your position? That every developed nation is looking seriously at some very painful changes to their economic landscapes because of environmental factors... to save face???

Are you high?


I believe, in the face of the contents of the emails recently released, etc., that there is a good chance that a lot of people are invested emotionally and "reputationally" that they are allowing their rationality to be clouded and accepting sketchy scientific practices.

The most disturbing things in climate gate to me wasn't the skeptic radicals extrapolating snippets to point to a vast conspiracy, it was the climate "scientists" disdain for freedom of information requests, discussing ways to stifle debate and prevent publishing of alternative viewpoints, etc.

Cap and Trade is a massive government run wealth transfer. You will find fraud in all such programs, be it medicare, Social security, military r&d, etc.
 
2009-12-05 01:45:20 PM
img22.imageshack.us
 
2009-12-05 01:45:54 PM
img707.imageshack.us

Shocked by the recent disclosures!
 
2009-12-05 01:45:54 PM
that1guy77: I'm still waiting for an explanation on the ice age and how man made global warming caused it to go away.

man caused the ice age.

they had no concept of conservation. you see the cavemen use to set fires to whole forrests to keep warm at night until a green caveman came along and showed them how to make small camp fires.

we froze up until the industrial revolution.
 
2009-12-05 01:45:55 PM
SeriousGeorge: One has to continue to marvel at the detective skills and scientific prowess of the denier community.

Are you denying climategate? You might as well deny the Holocaust.
 
2009-12-05 01:46:29 PM
somebody in the media finally realized that carbon credits are a scam??? Where have they been???
 
2009-12-05 01:46:30 PM
3_Butt_Cheeks: You mean global warming/global cooling/climate change has turned into a money driven corruptathon? Now countries are so neck deep invested in it, they must maintain the illusion?

Priceless. (Almost, it sure is costing some people a lot of money, and making others millions of dinero.)


I agree that carbon trading is a scam, and is nothing like SO2 markets that did work effectively to reduce acid rain.

That said, think about your argument for a second. Who stands to benefit from said markets? Countries like Russia, who due to arbitrary baseline years of 1990 carbon levels can claim huge credits due to declines in industrial production, and oil producing states like Saudi Arabia, Canada, and (you guessed it) Russia.

These are countries that have only given lip service to climate change politics, and yes, likely only so they can participate in the carbon markets. But they and the oil companies are hardly behind any conspiracy to promote global warming hysteria. They are simply taking advantage of arguments made elsewhere (and against which they often argue elsewhere).
 
2009-12-05 01:47:45 PM
aneki: Zagloba: 3_Butt_Cheeks: You mean global warming/global cooling/climate change has turned into a money driven corruptathon? Now countries are so neck deep invested in it, they must maintain the illusion?

This is your position? That every developed nation is looking seriously at some very painful changes to their economic landscapes because of environmental factors... to save face???

Are you high?

I believe, in the face of the contents of the emails recently released, etc., that there is a good chance that a lot of people are invested emotionally and "reputationally" that they are allowing their rationality to be clouded and accepting sketchy scientific practices.

The most disturbing things in climate gate to me wasn't the skeptic radicals extrapolating snippets to point to a vast conspiracy, it was the climate "scientists" disdain for freedom of information requests, discussing ways to stifle debate and prevent publishing of alternative viewpoints, etc.

Cap and Trade is a massive government run wealth transfer. You will find fraud in all such programs, be it medicare, Social security, military r&d, etc.


I say again, you will find fraud in any system with money. Let's not pretend that this is unique to government programs. The government makes a good scapegoat, but let's be honest here.
 
2009-12-05 01:48:54 PM
aneki: Zagloba: 3_Butt_Cheeks: You mean global warming/global cooling/climate change has turned into a money driven corruptathon? Now countries are so neck deep invested in it, they must maintain the illusion?

This is your position? That every developed nation is looking seriously at some very painful changes to their economic landscapes because of environmental factors... to save face???

Are you high?

I believe, in the face of the contents of the emails recently released, etc., that there is a good chance that a lot of people are invested emotionally and "reputationally" that they are allowing their rationality to be clouded and accepting sketchy scientific practices.

The most disturbing things in climate gate to me wasn't the skeptic radicals extrapolating snippets to point to a vast conspiracy, it was the climate "scientists" disdain for freedom of information requests, discussing ways to stifle debate and prevent publishing of alternative viewpoints, etc.

Cap and Trade is a massive government run wealth transfer. You will find fraud in all such programs, be it medicare, Social security, military r&d, etc.


This. ...for about the next decade.
 
2009-12-05 01:49:36 PM
JQPublic: I hope when Jon Snow shows up and posts all of his bad scary graphs, that they are color-inverted, they look scarier that way.



/Global Warming Alarmism is serious business.


And I'm sure you've refuted them piece by piece. Hell, I'm sure you've refuted even one of his posts.
 
2009-12-05 01:49:38 PM
Smart Ass: Shocked by the recent disclosures!

Is this where I point out that Bush bowed to people too? Or do you even care?
 
2009-12-05 01:50:29 PM
so long and thanks for all the shoes: Global warming is a joke. this year was one of the coldest on record.

It's actually the 5th warmest on record, but you don't care much for facts so this statement will be ignored.
 
2009-12-05 01:50:34 PM
I just want to say one thing though. Carbon credits is not ACC science.

Of course, you knew that, right?
 
2009-12-05 01:51:01 PM
As an avid hunter and fisher, the tards here screaming "ZOMG CLIMATE GATE" can kiss my backside. I would like to hunt and fish without worrying about mutant-zombie-fish and 6-legged deer I would like to EAT my kill without worrying that I'm going to sprout a 3rd eye or that my spleen is going to fall out from mercury poisoning.

Those who claim to hate the idea of caring for the wilderness but, then scream that they love to hunt better take a long hard look at themselves.

h.imagehost.org

/YES THIS IS REPOSTED--sue me
//Irritated HUNTER/GUN OWNER/FISHER
 
2009-12-05 01:51:54 PM
img38.imagefra.me
 
2009-12-05 01:51:59 PM
3_Butt_Cheeks: SeriousGeorge: One has to continue to marvel at the detective skills and scientific prowess of the denier community.

Well, climategate deniers are kinda new. It just happened ya know.


Climategate deniers? Who is denying that the emails were released?
 
2009-12-05 01:52:39 PM
www.thepatriotaxe.com

i've been saying this new religions sucks.
 
2009-12-05 01:54:28 PM
turtle-tracks: As an avid hunter and fisher, the tards here screaming "ZOMG CLIMATE GATE" can kiss my backside. I would like to hunt and fish without worrying about mutant-zombie-fish and 6-legged deer I would like to EAT my kill without worrying that I'm going to sprout a 3rd eye or that my spleen is going to fall out from mercury poisoning.

Those who claim to hate the idea of caring for the wilderness but, then scream that they love to hunt better take a long hard look at themselves.



/YES THIS IS REPOSTED--sue me
//Irritated HUNTER/GUN OWNER/FISHER


There is NOTHING in the current proposals that will do anything to address your concerns.
 
2009-12-05 01:54:51 PM
aneki: The most disturbing things in climate gate to me wasn't the skeptic radicals extrapolating snippets to point to a vast conspiracy, it was the climate "scientists" disdain for freedom of information requests, discussing ways to stifle debate and prevent publishing of alternative viewpoints, etc.

Duly noted, but scientists tend to get really pissed off and say some impolite things (in private, mostly) when known bad science makes its way past the review process. As to the FOI matter, I personally had never heard of scientists (even at public universities) being subject to FOI before this dustup. The party line, of course, is that the deniers were using FOI to harass the scientists, which would make anyone testy, but deleting emails rather than comply with FOI is of course not cool.

"Why on earth would scientists be subject to FOI" is a question that I haven't seen discussed at all, in any blog.
 
2009-12-05 02:00:09 PM
that1guy77: SeriousGeorge: One has to continue to marvel at the detective skills and scientific prowess of the denier community.

Are you denying climategate? You might as well deny the Holocaust.


No, I'm sure we can agree on the facts: a hacker obtained many e-mails from a climate research center, at which point the hacker selectively released a few of the one that seemed most damning for the scrutiny of an otherwise credulous public. I imagine that you believe that all the unreleased e-mails were irrelevant to global warming or the immense conspiracy all these scientists are immersed in?
 
2009-12-05 02:01:13 PM
turtle-tracks: Those who claim to hate the idea of caring for the wilderness but, then scream that they love to hunt better take a long hard look at themselves.

I was just asking myself this... Why do conservatives hate conservation?
 
2009-12-05 02:02:55 PM
Ivan Dobski: i've been saying this new religions sucks.

You should really check out a place that has poor environmental regulations (new window) Let's keep deregulating industry here. It's worth it to be "economically viable."

/hey it's ok if China does it, amirite?
 
2009-12-05 02:05:03 PM
You mean eco-communism isn't going to save us all?!?
 
2009-12-05 02:06:18 PM
SeriousGeorge: that1guy77: SeriousGeorge: One has to continue to marvel at the detective skills and scientific prowess of the denier community.

Are you denying climategate? You might as well deny the Holocaust.

No, I'm sure we can agree on the facts: a hacker obtained many e-mails from a climate research center, at which point the hacker selectively released a few of the one that seemed most damning for the scrutiny of an otherwise credulous public. I imagine that you believe that all the unreleased e-mails were irrelevant to global warming or the immense conspiracy all these scientists are immersed in?


Tell me what hacker/intruder doesn't exploit a vulnerability. The other e-mails were forwarded chain-mails when they weren't busy making shiat up. Produce the missing e-mails and we might believe you. The facts speak for themselves, it would help if you bring them out. Otherwise, you create no doubt in the mind of those with any common sense. We're waiting.
 
2009-12-05 02:10:27 PM
Zagloba: As to the FOI matter, I personally had never heard of scientists (even at public universities) being subject to FOI before this dustup.

Making constant FOI (in the US, FOIA) requests as a harassing tool was a standard tactic of the tobacco lobby, and some of the same lobbying firms are now working for oil companies. There was an interesting discussion on those tactics here (caution, long PDF).

The UK does not have the same freedom of information culture as does the US. Try asking for planning documents from a UK agency, and your experience will likely mirror that of Arthur Dent in the first Hitchhiker's book. I'm not defending that culture, and it was damned frustrating when dealing with it in the UK. I'm just saying that expectations for sharing are different.

/good luck getting data from anyone in a country without a common law legal tradition
 
2009-12-05 02:10:27 PM
that1guy77: SeriousGeorge: that1guy77: SeriousGeorge: One has to continue to marvel at the detective skills and scientific prowess of the denier community.

Are you denying climategate? You might as well deny the Holocaust.

No, I'm sure we can agree on the facts: a hacker obtained many e-mails from a climate research center, at which point the hacker selectively released a few of the one that seemed most damning for the scrutiny of an otherwise credulous public. I imagine that you believe that all the unreleased e-mails were irrelevant to global warming or the immense conspiracy all these scientists are immersed in?

Tell me what hacker/intruder doesn't exploit a vulnerability. The other e-mails were forwarded chain-mails when they weren't busy making shiat up. Produce the missing e-mails and we might believe you. The facts speak for themselves, it would help if you bring them out. Otherwise, you create no doubt in the mind of those with any common sense. We're waiting.


You know this because you've seen the unreleased emails?
 
2009-12-05 02:10:45 PM
that1guy77: The other e-mails were forwarded chain-mails

For this to be true you'd have to be under the assumption that the entire group of scientists produced only one e-mail every three days for the entire scope of time that was covered in the data dump.
 
2009-12-05 02:12:08 PM
Mrstupid7: that1guy77: SeriousGeorge: that1guy77: SeriousGeorge: One has to continue to marvel at the detective skills and scientific prowess of the denier community.

Are you denying climategate? You might as well deny the Holocaust.

No, I'm sure we can agree on the facts: a hacker obtained many e-mails from a climate research center, at which point the hacker selectively released a few of the one that seemed most damning for the scrutiny of an otherwise credulous public. I imagine that you believe that all the unreleased e-mails were irrelevant to global warming or the immense conspiracy all these scientists are immersed in?

Tell me what hacker/intruder doesn't exploit a vulnerability. The other e-mails were forwarded chain-mails when they weren't busy making shiat up. Produce the missing e-mails and we might believe you. The facts speak for themselves, it would help if you bring them out. Otherwise, you create no doubt in the mind of those with any common sense. We're waiting.

You know this because you've seen the unreleased emails?


Nope. But someone's attempt to bring fact from something that hasn't been proven is what's laughable. My chain-mail part was simply mockery in case it went over your head. Anyways, we're waiting... Would you like to pove there were missing e-mails by bringing them into the discussion?
 
2009-12-05 02:12:59 PM
yelmrog: JQPublic: I hope when Jon Snow shows up and posts all of his bad scary graphs, that they are color-inverted, they look scarier that way.



/Global Warming Alarmism is serious business.

The real shame about the GW / climate change deal is that it distracts so much from localized pollution issues. We've still got a bunch of superfund sites to clean up here, but we're off chasing CO2 in the atmosphere.


THIS. The GW Alarmists and their hunchbacked, club-footed henchmen are so busy trying to shoo away the Earth's Body Thetans, that real problems go unattended.
 
2009-12-05 02:14:58 PM
i46.tinypic.com

... and this is the ten kroner
 
2009-12-05 02:15:12 PM
Ivan Dobski:
www.thepatriotaxe.com

i've been saying this new religions sucks.


It's ironic when I see statements like this, because global warming has nothing to do with "Earth first, people second" and everything to do with "People first".

Would the Earth care if it got warmer or cooler? Nope. The rock would keep whipping around the sun, happily. No big deal.

On the other hand, would the human race care if the temperature drifted out of its optimum? Yep.

With that argument put forward, can you demonstrate then how Global Warming is an "Earth Worship" movement?
 
2009-12-05 02:17:02 PM
JQPublic: yelmrog: JQPublic: I hope when Jon Snow shows up and posts all of his bad scary graphs, that they are color-inverted, they look scarier that way.



/Global Warming Alarmism is serious business.

The real shame about the GW / climate change deal is that it distracts so much from localized pollution issues. We've still got a bunch of superfund sites to clean up here, but we're off chasing CO2 in the atmosphere.

THIS. The GW Alarmists and their hunchbacked, club-footed henchmen are so busy trying to shoo away the Earth's Body Thetans, that real problems go unattended.


there are lots of problems that could be addressed if these clowns weren't monopolizing everything - worldwide hunger, education, health (HIV for example) and poverty.
 
2009-12-05 02:17:58 PM
WHOOOOOOOO!!! That means we get to burn this mother-effer to the ground, right??? Let's all go cut down every tree we can find and take dumps in the water supply because someone committed securities fraud in farking Denmark!!!!

LET'S FARK THIS PLANET UP!!!
 
2009-12-05 02:20:23 PM
I like this quote from John Christy, U of Alabama, Huntsville. He is a well respected and highly qualified climate researcher. He was obviously addressing the boys at the CRU, but I think it applies to the warmers here as well.

These people act in concert to diminish, reject, and otherwise denigrate findings with which they do not agree - and they are able to do so because of their "establishment" positions. This is the preservation of "group think" at its most serious level.... The group represented by the bulk of these emails does indeed have a message to defend. Those of us who see problems with that message are aware of how the data are manufactured and interpreted to support that message - and worse, how these establishment scientists act as gatekeepers for the "consensus" reports to suppress alternative findings.
 
2009-12-05 02:24:10 PM
From the comments in tfa:
Mark

Dec 4, 2009

Poor Al Gore, his fantasy is falling apart...



WOOFIE

Dec 4, 2009

Looks like the wheels are coming off the Green Bus...now you "green" Schmucks will have to find a real job!


i422.photobucket.com
 
2009-12-05 02:24:42 PM
nicksteel: I like this quote from John Christy, U of Alabama, Huntsville. He is a well respected and highly qualified climate researcher. He was obviously addressing the boys at the CRU, but I think it applies to the warmers here as well.

These people act in concert to diminish, reject, and otherwise denigrate findings with which they do not agree - and they are able to do so because of their "establishment" positions. This is the preservation of "group think" at its most serious level.... The group represented by the bulk of these emails does indeed have a message to defend. Those of us who see problems with that message are aware of how the data are manufactured and interpreted to support that message - and worse, how these establishment scientists act as gatekeepers for the "consensus" reports to suppress alternative findings.


So I'm guessing this is a thread where you continue to ignore my offer of $100 for a charity of your choice if you can only prove what you obviously believe in and want others to believe as well?
 
2009-12-05 02:25:59 PM
Serious George: ...at which point the hacker selectively released a few of the one that seemed most damning for the scrutiny of an otherwise credulous public.

Yes, Serious, it was a real cherry pick (new window)

/But seriously, Serious. What gave you that idea anyway? It's almost like you have a pre-concieved bias that you want desparately to hold on to
 
2009-12-05 02:26:36 PM
nicksteel: I like this quote from John Christy, U of Alabama, Huntsville. He is a well respected and highly qualified climate researcher. He was obviously addressing the boys at the CRU, but I think it applies to the warmers here as well.

These people act in concert to diminish, reject, and otherwise denigrate findings with which they do not agree - and they are able to do so because of their "establishment" positions. This is the preservation of "group think" at its most serious level.... The group represented by the bulk of these emails does indeed have a message to defend. Those of us who see problems with that message are aware of how the data are manufactured and interpreted to support that message - and worse, how these establishment scientists act as gatekeepers for the "consensus" reports to suppress alternative findings.


Which is ironic, because the current American backlash against Global Warming has nothing to do with the quality of the science or the validity of the data. It's simply part of the political noise against anything not associated with the GOP. If there's any groupthink going on here, it's among the deniers.
 
2009-12-05 02:27:06 PM
nicksteel: JQPublic: yelmrog: JQPublic: I hope when Jon Snow shows up and posts all of his bad scary graphs, that they are color-inverted, they look scarier that way.



/Global Warming Alarmism is serious business.

The real shame about the GW / climate change deal is that it distracts so much from localized pollution issues. We've still got a bunch of superfund sites to clean up here, but we're off chasing CO2 in the atmosphere.

THIS. The GW Alarmists and their hunchbacked, club-footed henchmen are so busy trying to shoo away the Earth's Body Thetans, that real problems go unattended.

there are lots of problems that could be addressed if these clowns weren't monopolizing everything - worldwide hunger, education, health (HIV for example) and poverty.



When is Fark going to let me replace certain Farkers posts with pictures
img2.moonbuggy.org
 
2009-12-05 02:27:52 PM
Dumping oodles of CO2 and CH4 into the atmosphere willy-nilly is no problem! Some science-doing-guy Michelle Malkin and Rush told me about said so! Acid Rain was a scam too! Global cooling!! Al Bore!1!1 Commies! LIBS! We've got a spare planet to use anyway, right?

Right?
 
2009-12-05 02:28:26 PM
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: WHOOOOOOOO!!! That means we get to burn this mother-effer to the ground, right??? Let's all go cut down every tree we can find and take dumps in the water supply because someone committed securities fraud in farking Denmark!!!!

LET'S FARK THIS PLANET UP!!!


OOOOGA BOOGA!!!
 
2009-12-05 02:28:51 PM
nicksteel: I like this quote from John Christy

From Carl Sagan in 1987:
"A few saintly personalities stand out amidst a roiling sea of jealousies, ambition, back-biting, suppression of dissent, and absurd conceits. In some fields, highly productive fields, such behavior is almost the norm."
 
2009-12-05 02:29:56 PM
Il Douchey: Serious George: ...at which point the hacker selectively released a few of the one that seemed most damning for the scrutiny of an otherwise credulous public.

Yes, Serious, it was a real cherry pick (new window)

/But seriously, Serious. What gave you that idea anyway? It's almost like you have a pre-concieved bias that you want desparately to hold on to


Alright, show me where the actual real life data was faked.
 
2009-12-05 02:30:30 PM
T-Servo: nicksteel: I like this quote from John Christy

From Carl Sagan in 1987:
"A few saintly personalities stand out amidst a roiling sea of jealousies, ambition, back-biting, suppression of dissent, and absurd conceits. In some fields, highly productive fields, such behavior is almost the norm."


I like that one as well. thanx
 
2009-12-05 02:31:44 PM
Il Douchey: /But seriously, Serious. What gave you that idea anyway? It's almost like you have a pre-concieved bias that you want desparately to hold on to

Like the pre-conceived bias of believing the global warming is a hoax, and that therefore the apparently strongest evidence -- the word "trick" in a single email -- refers to a deception?

Less? More?
 
2009-12-05 02:32:21 PM
Mrstupid7: Il Douchey: Serious George: ...at which point the hacker selectively released a few of the one that seemed most damning for the scrutiny of an otherwise credulous public.

Yes, Serious, it was a real cherry pick (new window)

/But seriously, Serious. What gave you that idea anyway? It's almost like you have a pre-concieved bias that you want desparately to hold on to

Alright, show me where the actual real life data was faked.


considering that they tossed the raw data, it is impossible to prove or disprove that. There are statements in the emails that indicate they did so.
 
2009-12-05 02:32:30 PM
www.guyinnagorillasuit.com


"It's still real to me dammit!"
 
2009-12-05 02:35:27 PM
whatshisname: nicksteel: I like this quote from John Christy, U of Alabama, Huntsville. He is a well respected and highly qualified climate researcher. He was obviously addressing the boys at the CRU, but I think it applies to the warmers here as well.

These people act in concert to diminish, reject, and otherwise denigrate findings with which they do not agree - and they are able to do so because of their "establishment" positions. This is the preservation of "group think" at its most serious level.... The group represented by the bulk of these emails does indeed have a message to defend. Those of us who see problems with that message are aware of how the data are manufactured and interpreted to support that message - and worse, how these establishment scientists act as gatekeepers for the "consensus" reports to suppress alternative findings.

Which is ironic, because the current American backlash against Global Warming has nothing to do with the quality of the science or the validity of the data. It's simply part of the political noise against anything not associated with the GOP. If there's any groupthink going on here, it's among the deniers.


WOW!! You missed the point completely and turned it into an attack on people who disagree with you. If you would actually think about these posts instead of your knee jerk reactions, you might learn something. Oh hell, who I am kidding.
 
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