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(Some Guy) Fail Not News: commodity dealer trades 28,000 tons of coal. News: a glitch means he orders 28,000 tons of coal. Fark: they deliver   (thedailywtf.com) divider line 164
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2009-12-03 08:41:17 PM
Not a problem.

Step 1 - dump all of the coal to the bottom of the river.
Step 2 - sell Offset Certificates for the carbon that he has just sequestered.
Step 3 - profit.
 
2009-12-03 08:52:38 PM
I still want to see someone try to deliver a super tanker of crude to an investment house just because someone screwed up a contract. This is a close second. heh....
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-12-03 08:52:51 PM
Is this real, with names changed to protect the guilty?
 
2009-12-03 08:57:29 PM
ZAZ: Is this real, with names changed to protect the guilty?

Who knows, but God I hope so!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-12-03 09:05:40 PM
NewportBarGuy

Like you, I want to believe.
 
2009-12-03 09:45:50 PM
This story is completely bogus.

1) The address of the company is "Pier 53"? Not likely. When I worked in Alameda in an old building that used to be a pier, it still had a street address. Does everybody in the building in the story take a water-taxi to work?

Even if the address were not an issue...

2) Futures in the US are delivered at specific times, in specified quantities at specified warehouses. They are *not* delivered to business addresses. That's actually one of the features of the futures market.

Even if they did deliver physical commodities, it wouldn't be to this guy...

3) Futures markets have three players: producers, consumers and speculators. Producer and consumers are distinctly different from speculators. Speculator accounts are very clearly identified and *never* take physical delivery. (This can be overcome, and has recently been done quote a bit with commodities like gold).

In short, while it's a cute story, it's BS.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2009-12-03 09:54:01 PM
Rustico

I know of a company that used to advertise its address as "on the airport", Danbury, Connecticut. It's at least plausible that a company could use a pier number.

But I won't argue with your conclusion.
 
2009-12-03 10:38:53 PM
sirappsalot.com
 
2009-12-03 10:39:49 PM
I used to work near a coal storage pit and used to poke around in there for fossils all the time. I used to sell 'em to tourists for a ton of money. I remember once though, there was this tour group from Brazil and they were all annoying as shiat. Seriously, they were all about banging on drums and pissing on the sidewalk, and I swear to God that I saw one taking a grumpy in a big planter. I yelled at him to fark off and go back to Brazil, but he didn't understand me because he didn't speak English. I rounded up a few of the boys and we hijacked their bus and forced them to eat a ton of whole-wheat spaghetti, then we buried the bus and I don't know if they ever made it out, but I guaranteed they started to care where they where taking a dump after that. I think they were from Brazil. Koreans don't beat on drums do they?
 
2009-12-03 10:42:57 PM
Well, this time of year there's always the Christmas novelty market....
 
2009-12-03 10:45:20 PM
Some people are getting coal in their stockings this year.
 
2009-12-03 10:46:09 PM
I'm calling shenanigans. a GIS for Æxecor reveals only links to different sites carrying this story.
 
2009-12-03 10:47:02 PM
oops. i meant a regular Google search.
 
2009-12-03 11:14:59 PM
cmunic8r99: I'm calling shenanigans. a GIS for Æxecor reveals only links to different sites carrying this story.

I think I saw this a few months back. Not entirely sure. It's written too perfectly to be true. But I want to believe.
 
2009-12-03 11:45:47 PM
ZAZ: It's at least plausible that a company could use a pier number.

Fair enough.

Rusty Shackleford: Coal porter.

Outstanding.
 
2009-12-03 11:47:18 PM
This can't be real but this is definitely a good story.
 
rmz
2009-12-04 12:15:27 AM
The Daily WTF almost always anonymizes their submitted stories by changing company names, employee names, locations, and (when not relevant) the industry sector involved. I'm not saying the story is true (or fake), but Googling for the names you see in the story will not get you anywhere.
 
2009-12-04 12:38:44 AM
... he's a coal-hearted snake?
 
2009-12-04 12:49:32 AM
Rustico: Even if they did deliver physical commodities, it wouldn't be to this guy...

when you trade commodities through a trading house, you never actually own the contract, they do, and just give you the money when it's sold.

If you actually do buy the contract, then yes, they'll deliver it to you when it comes due.
 
2009-12-04 12:51:00 AM
Rustico: 3) Futures markets have three players: producers, consumers and speculators. Producer and consumers are distinctly different from speculators. Speculator accounts are very clearly identified and *never* take physical delivery. (This can be overcome, and has recently been done quote a bit with commodities like gold).

This

...that said. Its shame this was coal and not frozen orange juice concentrate.

At least he could have used that
 
2009-12-04 12:51:17 AM
This kind of thing absolutely happens, no doubt about it. One example was a trader who accidentally closed on a deal for thousands of cattle; he had to actually fly down to the cattle auction, pay for them to be housed until the next auction, and sell them off then.
 
2009-12-04 12:52:00 AM
I bought cardboard when it was 2 cents a ton,and its up to 3 cents now! And I bought 3 tons of it so........,well you figure the math. And I made a special deal so that I only have to store half of it at my house.
 
2009-12-04 12:53:24 AM
Treygreen13: I bought cardboard when it was 2 cents a ton,and its up to 3 cents now!

Hey, it's a better investment than gold right now!

Buy a couple tons of cardboard today, buy a tropical island tomorrow.
 
2009-12-04 12:56:18 AM
gorgor: Solution
http://tinyurl.com/yh7wupz
(copy and paste, NSFW)


Are you claiming to be a tightass, Gorgy? ;)


Here's what I was thinking:

www.avaruusmies.com
 
2009-12-04 12:58:34 AM
gorgor: Solution
http://tinyurl.com/yh7wupz
(copy and paste, NSFW)


What a ridiculous pic.

If you're going to make gem quality diamonds out of raw carbon, you're going to need a much bigger pooper.
 
2009-12-04 12:59:56 AM
It may be fake, but this part made me smile:

FTFA:"You mus' be Brad," a cheerful voice jumped in. Brad's eye's shifted towards the scruffy fellow wearing some sort of workman's uniform who was sitting in one of the reception chairs. "Now first and foremost, how in the Sam Hill are we 'sposed to moor this boat? I count two cleats, but we sure as heck can't hitch these. And, shoot, do you even have a bulk berth?"

Ahh...tugboat captains. May they never change.
 
2009-12-04 01:02:00 AM
I'll be more impressed when he can buy eggs at 5 cents, sell them at 3 cents and everyone makes a profit.
 
2009-12-04 01:03:16 AM
Heh, that's what you get for trading on the WTFSE.
 
2009-12-04 01:04:13 AM
We can speculate all we want about how this could never happen with normal programmatic and business safeguards in a futures trading environment, but once you factor in "asshole alpha gorilla trader with bee in buttocks" lord alone knows what could happen. It's true that I'd say there's a small probability this happened exactly as described, but ... not zero.

(For what it's worth I wouldn't assume US-based either. There's a quasi-famous business neighborhood in London called the Docklands and there's certainly plenty of coal being extracted/bought/sold/shipped in and around the British isles.)

True or not, the story's worth the link for the comment about what gift the trader's getting in their stocking this Christmas. :D
 
2009-12-04 01:05:52 AM
Ivo Shandor: Not a problem.

Step 1 - dump all of the coal to the bottom of the river.
Step 2 - sell Offset Certificates for the carbon that he has just sequestered.
Step 3 - profit.


Step 4 - Get fined tens of thousands of dollars per day plus interest by every state and Federal environmental regulatory agency ever created, as well as getting stuck for the cost of the clean-up.
 
2009-12-04 01:05:58 AM
rmz: The Daily WTF almost always anonymizes their submitted stories by changing company names, employee names, locations, and (when not relevant) the industry sector involved. I'm not saying the story is true (or fake), but Googling for the names you see in the story will not get you anywhere.

Indeed. I'm pretty sure there isn't a WTFSE anywhere on the planet. :-/

A google search for mistaken coal deliveries doesn't turn up any news, so unless that detail has also been changed, it's probably fake.
 
2009-12-04 01:11:24 AM
rmz: The Daily WTF almost always anonymizes their submitted stories by changing company names, employee names, locations, and (when not relevant) the industry sector involved. I'm not saying the story is true (or fake), but Googling for the names you see in the story will not get you anywhere.

Like Fox News?
 
2009-12-04 01:12:11 AM
I know what that guy's getting in HIS stocking this Christmas!
 
2009-12-04 01:13:34 AM
It doesn't happen often but sometimes things go really wrong and you can take delivery of futures. See this blurb about eggs: Link (new window)
 
2009-12-04 01:16:15 AM
I bet he wishes he'd traded 28,000 tons of diamonds. Or hookers...
 
2009-12-04 01:16:50 AM
ZAZ: Rustico

I know of a company that used to advertise its address as "on the airport", Danbury, Connecticut. It's at least plausible that a company could use a pier number.

But I won't argue with your conclusion.


Which company? I'm from that area.
 
2009-12-04 01:19:05 AM
Oh, sure, it seems like a happy IT fairy tale story where the office alpha prick gets his ass handed to him, but what the story doesn't mention is the summary executions of everyone on the development team the next week.
 
2009-12-04 01:19:21 AM
This story has given me huge insight into why my teenage daughter is completely unable to understand anything I say. If the software is tangled up, what is the point in feeding in useful instructions? I am expecting an intellectual capacity that doesn't exist yet no matter how much she thinks, and insists, that it does. I have been treating her as if she could do it if she would only try, if only I could put it the right way.

My God, I got married only a little older than she is. My parents should have put me in irons.
 
2009-12-04 01:22:33 AM
HelloMyNameIs: what the story doesn't mention is the summary executions of everyone on the development team the next week.

Will they use the electric chair or the stove top?
 
2009-12-04 01:23:07 AM
(and yes, belated slashies, I am talking about the coal futures vs. delivery story.)
 
2009-12-04 01:25:09 AM
so no GI Joe with the kung fu grip this year?
 
2009-12-04 01:27:46 AM
Ivo Shandor: Not a problem.

Step 1 - dump all of the coal to the bottom of the river.
Step 2 - sell Offset Certificates for the carbon that he has just sequestered.
Step 3 - profit.


duninwon-beech.
dayum.
gnomesayn?
 
2009-12-04 01:28:25 AM
Rusty Shackleford: Who delivers anthracite fuel to a jazz club?

Coal porter.


That is the most terrible pun I have heard this month. You win one internets, sir or madam.
 
2009-12-04 01:32:26 AM
Gorgor, when you die or (God forbid) retire, you need to donate your hard drive to the Smithsonian.
 
2009-12-04 01:34:22 AM
I see he uses the same supplier as Ernie Furglar.
 
2009-12-04 01:36:05 AM
Rustico: This story is completely bogus.

1) The address of the company is "Pier 53"? Not likely. When I worked in Alameda in an old building that used to be a pier, it still had a street address. Does everybody in the building in the story take a water-taxi to work?

Even if the address were not an issue...

2) Futures in the US are delivered at specific times, in specified quantities at specified warehouses. They are *not* delivered to business addresses. That's actually one of the features of the futures market.

Even if they did deliver physical commodities, it wouldn't be to this guy...

3) Futures markets have three players: producers, consumers and speculators. Producer and consumers are distinctly different from speculators. Speculator accounts are very clearly identified and *never* take physical delivery. (This can be overcome, and has recently been done quote a bit with commodities like gold).

In short, while it's a cute story, it's BS.


Read the story in more detail: They actually do move physical commodities, they have a shipping network. Reading the barest bit between the lines, the barges were ordered by the company that picked up, not provided by the deliverer. Also, some San Francisco wharf addresses are actually Pier 39 and so on. If the building was inherited under an old rule, or if the shipping side had a different address than the street side, then you're the one full of it.

The story comments have a few more details from the original submitter, as well as a few more examples of the type.
 
2009-12-04 01:40:04 AM
I work as a software developer in the trading industry, so I'm really getting a kick, etc....

Yeah. We've got domain experts around here who are real futures market veterans. Like, senior people who've been in the business for decades. This sort of thing definitely *HAS* happened in the past. I'm not sure if it was here in Australia or somewhere else, but these things have definitely managed to slip through before.

It's definitely a perfect storm scenario, and I can't confirm for certain if this particular story is true, but it absolutely does sound feasible - from both a technical and political point of view.
 
2009-12-04 01:41:50 AM
Did they have to write it as bad fiction? Is this real?

I hate it.
 
2009-12-04 01:46:32 AM
rmz: The Daily WTF almost always anonymizes their submitted stories by changing company names, employee names, locations, and (when not relevant) the industry sector involved. I'm not saying the story is true (or fake), but Googling for the names you see in the story will not get you anywhere.

So it's like Fox News, only where you can't fact-check to find out they're full of shiat?
 
2009-12-04 01:48:10 AM
Moezilla68: Gorgor, when you die or (God forbid) retire, you need to donate your hard drive to the Smithsonian.

Not his brain? That must be some epic stuff.
 
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