oh cougars...

Men nearing retirement 'happier than women.' nearly all the time Women nearing retirement 'watching pool boy'

FTFY, subby.

puma thread

JC

something like this happened to me once.

tuna fingers: JoeCowboy: puma thread

JC

I'm not sure about your use of puma.

Urbandictionary basically defines it as a "young cougar"... which confuses the hell out of me.

I have two cougars under my belt.

/23
//not bragging
///maybe

For some reason, I can't access bbc.co.uk from work. It's not blocked, it just says that the link appears to be broken. Odd.

WienerButt: I have two cougars under my belt.

And that's exactly where they should be. :)

I think my dad was happier working than being retired. He now has to put up with far more of my mom's crap, since he has nowhere to go to escape it.

I wish I could retire. today.

Maybe it's because the man gets to stop working while the woman continues to not work like she has for the last 60 years?

"men look forward to retirement, and see it as an opportunity to spend time doing things they like; women may not relish the prospect of being at home with their husbands."

Give that man a cigar.

altinos: For some reason, I can't access bbc.co.uk from work. It's not blocked, it just says that the link appears to be broken. Odd.

WienerButt: I have two cougars under my belt.

And that's exactly where they should be. :)

Hey-o!

I think their attempted explanations are way off-base.

Despite men and women both mostly ending up in the working world, men tend to choose a career path based largely on what can provide for a family, while women will go more for flexibility and what they like doing. (A typical example: librarian.) As such, as men near retirement, they've likely succeeded in the providing, and have the opportunity to make work more directed towards enjoyability. Meanwhile women who got into fields that they enjoy see the oncoming end of working in that career.

Dixie Wexworth is inclined to disagree.

FTFA As men often have jobs which allow greater flexibility, this enables them to wind down and reduce their stress as they head for retirement.

Or it could be that men can typically look forward to the prospect of higher pensions than women.

Or could it be that men have to rely on credentials to get by and cant rely on their tits, crying, and maintaining "a proportional workforce of men, women, and minorities" when something goes wrong. They are happier because they know their quality of life is going to increase exponentionally. Its not just not having to work that makes us happy, its all the bullshiat we wont have to put up with anymore.

Generally, men works their whole lives to retire. They live for the future. Women live for the now.

This is one reason divorce is so popular. Women get to (1) take away the one thing men look forward to (a comfortable retirement free of alimony) and (2) secure what took men 40 years to do in a few weeks, without all the hassle.

kmswim03: Maybe it's because the man gets to stop working while the woman continues to not work like she has for the last 60 years? Cleaning the house, doing the laundry, cooking the meals, etc.

FTFY

/why yes I am a woman.
//ducks.

Catran: kmswim03: Maybe it's because the man gets to stop working while the woman continues to not work like she has for the last 60 years? Cleaning the house, doing the laundry, cooking the meals, etc.

FTFY

/why yes I am a woman.
//ducks.

Is cleaning the house, doing the laundry, and cooking meals, etc. work? Yes. Is it comparable to a career? Not even close, and it's embarassing when people think it is.

Catran 2009-12-03 11:56:19 AM
kmswim03: Maybe it's because the man gets to stop working while the woman continues to not work like she has for the last 60 years? Cleaning the house, doing the laundry, cooking the meals, etc.

FTFY

/why yes I am a woman.
//ducks.

If you are working all day then coming home and doing all the house chores then daaaaammmmmn. You're husband has you trained well and hes not worth being married to. If you arent working and you have all day to do the house work then daaaaammmmmmn you are whiney

I have seen this scenario play out several times in my own family.

Men are happy that they're approaching retirement. They have all these plans of things they always wanted to do.

Then they retire and sit on their asses not knowing what to do with themselves and spend a great deal of time following their wives around the house, getting underfoot and insisting on driving their wives everywhere and asking when's she going to make lunch? What's for dinner? etc., etc.

Within 3 months time the wives are on the phone to fellow female friends and relatives with the ol' "He's driving me crazy!" complaint. "I can't go anywhere, he has to come with me! I never have a moment alone anymore!"

And blissful retirement becomes a burden on the wife who suddenly finds herself with a new child to take care of long after her child rearing days are over.

Gdalescrboz: If you are working all day then coming home and doing all the house chores then daaaaammmmmn. You're husband has you trained well and hes not worth being married to. If you arent working and you have all day to do the house work then daaaaammmmmmn you are whiney

This. What decade are these people living in who still complain about this?

As someone whose entire male side of the family has yet to make it to age 60, I'm getting a kick out of knowing that I most likely wont live long enough to be able to retire.

/Seriously, for the past few hundred years no male has managed to make it to 60 yet.
//Kind of depressing.
///28 now, most likely half of my life is already over.

Popo Bawa: Within 3 months time the wives are on the phone to fellow female friends and relatives with the ol' "He's driving me crazy!" complaint. "I can't go anywhere, he has to come with me! I never have a moment alone anymore!"

That implies she stayed at home all this time and was able to take recreation during the middle of the farking day. Suddenly her husband wants to be a part of that.

Cry me a farking river.

Popo Bawa: I have seen this scenario play out several times in my own family.

Men are happy that they're approaching retirement. They have all these plans of things they always wanted to do.

Then they retire and sit on their asses not knowing what to do with themselves and spend a great deal of time following their wives around the house, getting underfoot and insisting on driving their wives everywhere and asking when's she going to make lunch? What's for dinner? etc., etc.

Within 3 months time the wives are on the phone to fellow female friends and relatives with the ol' "He's driving me crazy!" complaint. "I can't go anywhere, he has to come with me! I never have a moment alone anymore!"

And blissful retirement becomes a burden on the wife who suddenly finds herself with a new child to take care of long after her child rearing days are over.

Then maybe she should get a farking job.

NuclearPenguins: As someone whose entire male side of the family has yet to make it to age 60, I'm getting a kick out of knowing that I most likely wont live long enough to be able to retire.

/Seriously, for the past few hundred years no male has managed to make it to 60 yet.
//Kind of depressing.
///28 now, most likely half of my life is already over.

I'm in the same boat as you man. About the same age too, between the permanent early retirement and watching everything that gets saved go *poof* I've given up on the idea of retiring and enjoying anything life has to offer. dangle in front of your face and then take away.

bushbot111: Catran: kmswim03: Maybe it's because the man gets to stop working while the woman continues to not work like she has for the last 60 years? Cleaning the house, doing the laundry, cooking the meals, etc.

FTFY

/why yes I am a woman.
//ducks.

Is cleaning the house, doing the laundry, and cooking meals, etc. work? Yes. Is it comparable to a career? Not even close, and it's embarassing when people think it is.

Here's the general breakdown of work hours based on info from the University of Michigan's Institute for Social Research:

Men do more work outside the house. Women work more hours inside the house. Overall, men tend to work slightly more hours.

A 2002 IRS press release showed what men worked 37 hours of market labor per week, and 16 hours of housework. Women worked 24 job hours and 27 workplace hours. Grand totals? Men: 53 hours, Women: 51. But even the press release slants the info to depict women as doing more housework ... you gotta get to the fine print at the bottom of the page to see how American men do more work overall. Press release: Link (new window)

The Amazing Mumford: Popo Bawa: I have seen this scenario play out several times in my own family.

Men are happy that they're approaching retirement. They have all these plans of things they always wanted to do.

Then they retire and sit on their asses not knowing what to do with themselves and spend a great deal of time following their wives around the house, getting underfoot and insisting on driving their wives everywhere and asking when's she going to make lunch? What's for dinner? etc., etc.

Within 3 months time the wives are on the phone to fellow female friends and relatives with the ol' "He's driving me crazy!" complaint. "I can't go anywhere, he has to come with me! I never have a moment alone anymore!"

And blissful retirement becomes a burden on the wife who suddenly finds herself with a new child to take care of long after her child rearing days are over.

Then maybe she should get a farking job.

Cue the 'being a housewife is a full time job and harder than any man's career' routine...

nostratic: bushbot111: Catran: kmswim03: Maybe it's because the man gets to stop working while the woman continues to not work like she has for the last 60 years? Cleaning the house, doing the laundry, cooking the meals, etc.

FTFY

/why yes I am a woman.
//ducks.

Is cleaning the house, doing the laundry, and cooking meals, etc. work? Yes. Is it comparable to a career? Not even close, and it's embarassing when people think it is.

Here's the general breakdown of work hours based on info from the University of Michigan's Institute for Social Research:

Men do more work outside the house. Women work more hours inside the house. Overall, men tend to work slightly more hours.

A 2002 IRS press release showed what men worked 37 hours of market labor per week, and 16 hours of housework. Women worked 24 job hours and 27 workplace hours. Grand totals? Men: 53 hours, Women: 51. But even the press release slants the info to depict women as doing more housework ... you gotta get to the fine print at the bottom of the page to see how American men do more work overall. Press release: Link (new window)

lol, look one post above your original post. I called this.

No but really, I've seen these studies. For the most part, they are bullshiat. If you read the methodology, and, I have, if a woman goes out on errands, they count the drive time. So if she's running 8 errands, most of that is drive time, which is counted as "work". That's just one of the little tricks these researchers use to try to portray the stay-at-home mom as a slave laborer while the man is portrayed as sitting in the corner office with his feet on the desk. This is what happens when you work for a university....you lose all concept of how life really works.

Popo Bawa: Within 3 months time the wives are on the phone to fellow female friends and relatives with the ol' "He's driving me crazy!" complaint. "I can't go anywhere, he has to come with me! I never have a moment alone anymore!"

That implies she stayed at home all this time and was able to take recreation during the middle of the farking day. Suddenly her husband wants to be a part of that.

Cry me a farking river.

Yeeeeaahh, no. Sorry.
Wives were enjoying said retirement of their own, from their own jobs until hubbies retired as well. Wives retirement also includes daily household chores. Laundry, cooking, cleaning, etc. Hubbies occasionally mow the lawn. Then spend the rest of the day following the wives around. Seeing it evening more as I get older nearing retirement myself.

Popo Bawa: I have seen this scenario play out several times in my own family.

Men are happy that they're approaching retirement. They have all these plans of things they always wanted to do.

Then they retire and sit on their asses not knowing what to do with themselves and spend a great deal of time following their wives around the house, getting underfoot and insisting on driving their wives everywhere and asking when's she going to make lunch? What's for dinner? etc., etc.

Within 3 months time the wives are on the phone to fellow female friends and relatives with the ol' "He's driving me crazy!" complaint. "I can't go anywhere, he has to come with me! I never have a moment alone anymore!"

And blissful retirement becomes a burden on the wife who suddenly finds herself with a new child to take care of long after her child rearing days are over.

So when a man has retired after decades of working to support a family, and the man wants to spend time with a wife he presumably loves and did all that work to support, he's suddenly an annoying, lazy, infantile burden?

If married women are really unable to anticipate that retirement will change the relationship dynamic, and if married women are really that shallow, self-absorbed and incapable of compassion and giving to a man who gave to them, I consider myself lucky to be single.

Popo Bawa: Popo Bawa: Within 3 months time the wives are on the phone to fellow female friends and relatives with the ol' "He's driving me crazy!" complaint. "I can't go anywhere, he has to come with me! I never have a moment alone anymore!"

That implies she stayed at home all this time and was able to take recreation during the middle of the farking day. Suddenly her husband wants to be a part of that.

Cry me a farking river.

Yeeeeaahh, no. Sorry.
Wives were enjoying said retirement of their own, from their own jobs until hubbies retired as well. Wives retirement also includes daily household chores. Laundry, cooking, cleaning, etc. Hubbies occasionally mow the lawn. Then spend the rest of the day following the wives around. Seeing it evening more as I get older nearing retirement myself.

Amazing wives have time to notice since they are working so hard at home...

bushbot111: nostratic: bushbot111: Catran: kmswim03:

lol, look one post above your original post. I called this.

No but really, I've seen these studies. For the most part, they are bullshiat. If you read the methodology, and, I have, if a woman goes out on errands, they count the drive time. So if she's running 8 errands, most of that is drive time, which is counted as "work". That's just one of the little tricks these researchers use to try to portray the stay-at-home mom as a slave laborer while the man is portrayed as sitting in the corner office with his feet on the desk. This is what happens when you work for a university....you lose all concept of how life really works.

The drive time rule should use the IRS rule. From home to first errand is commute (not work). Drive time from first errand to subsequent errands is work. Drive home from last errand is commute (not work)

JC

nostratic: Popo Bawa: I have seen this scenario play out several times in my own family.

Men are happy that they're approaching retirement. They have all these plans of things they always wanted to do.

Then they retire and sit on their asses not knowing what to do with themselves and spend a great deal of time following their wives around the house, getting underfoot and insisting on driving their wives everywhere and asking when's she going to make lunch? What's for dinner? etc., etc.

Within 3 months time the wives are on the phone to fellow female friends and relatives with the ol' "He's driving me crazy!" complaint. "I can't go anywhere, he has to come with me! I never have a moment alone anymore!"

And blissful retirement becomes a burden on the wife who suddenly finds herself with a new child to take care of long after her child rearing days are over.

So when a man has retired after decades of working to support a family, and the man wants to spend time with a wife he presumably loves and did all that work to support, he's suddenly an annoying, lazy, infantile burden?



Yes, but he doesn't mind much, because this is a welcome change from how he's been treated for the last 40 years...as an aloof workaholic asshole whose only job is to bring home money and then STFU.

JoeCowboy: bushbot111: nostratic: bushbot111: Catran: kmswim03:

lol, look one post above your original post. I called this.

No but really, I've seen these studies. For the most part, they are bullshiat. If you read the methodology, and, I have, if a woman goes out on errands, they count the drive time. So if she's running 8 errands, most of that is drive time, which is counted as "work". That's just one of the little tricks these researchers use to try to portray the stay-at-home mom as a slave laborer while the man is portrayed as sitting in the corner office with his feet on the desk. This is what happens when you work for a university....you lose all concept of how life really works.

The drive time rule should use the IRS rule. From home to first errand is commute (not work). Drive time from first errand to subsequent errands is work. Drive home from last errand is commute (not work)

JC

The drive time rule should use the common sense rule. If you're driving around town in your Lexus, listening to Oprah on Sirius on the way to your next errand, you are not "working".

Popo Bawa 2009-12-03 12:35:10 PM

I have seen this scenario play out several times in my own family.

Wives were enjoying said retirement of their own, from their own jobs until hubbies retired as well. Wives retirement also includes daily household chores. Laundry, cooking, cleaning, etc. Hubbies occasionally mow the lawn. Then spend the rest of the day following the wives around. Seeing it evening more as I get older nearing retirement myself.

Dude your family is full of pieces of shiat. The men in my family dont conduct themselves as such and neither do any men that live in a functional family. If the women in your family dont mind being treated like what you described then the women in your family are equally as worthless

Popo Bawa: Wives were enjoying said retirement of their own

Most men are older than their wives. And yet you're talking about women retiring years before their husbands. That means they're getting a vacation that is many, many years longer than the one the husband will ever see - and without even any rugrats around anymore to eat up their spare time.

And then when the husband wants a piece of this action, they get grumpy.

Charming, really.

I remember reading that, as women age, their Estrogen levels drop so their relative Testosterone level rises. This is part of the reason that middle age women have a higher sex drive. The reverse happens to men: their levels of Testosterone slowly reduces over the years.

Thus women nearing retirement are horny and competitive, and men nearing retirement have finally gotten past that stage. Coincidence? I think not.

nostratic: Popo Bawa: I have seen this scenario play out several times in my own family.

Men are happy that they're approaching retirement. They have all these plans of things they always wanted to do.

Then they retire and sit on their asses not knowing what to do with themselves and spend a great deal of time following their wives around the house, getting underfoot and insisting on driving their wives everywhere and asking when's she going to make lunch? What's for dinner? etc., etc.

Within 3 months time the wives are on the phone to fellow female friends and relatives with the ol' "He's driving me crazy!" complaint. "I can't go anywhere, he has to come with me! I never have a moment alone anymore!"

And blissful retirement becomes a burden on the wife who suddenly finds herself with a new child to take care of long after her child rearing days are over.

So when a man has retired after decades of working to support a family, and the man wants to spend time with a wife he presumably loves and did all that work to support, he's suddenly an annoying, lazy, infantile burden?

If married women are really unable to anticipate that retirement will change the relationship dynamic, and if married women are really that shallow, self-absorbed and incapable of compassion and giving to a man who gave to them, I consider myself lucky to be single.


Not getting the picture bud. Wait til it happens to you.

Men may be happier with the idea of approaching retirement. But once retired they have a harder time dealing with it.

Following wives around all day isn't wanting to spend more time with them. It's becoming clingy and needy for lack of knowing what else to do with themselves. While the wife, who may have also spent decades having a career and working everyday seems to segway into retirement without much trouble.

Men's identities are often tied up in their careers. When that's suddenly taken away they have a hard time dealing with it.

Wanting retirement and getting it can be two different animals completely. That may also be why men often take a later retirement than women.

Popo Bawa:

Not getting the picture bud.


Calling someone "bud"....now we've got a great picture of you.

Popo Bawa: lack of knowing what else to do with themselves

Something tells me that the videogame generations will NOT have this problem.

bushbot111: nostratic: bushbot111: Catran: kmswim03: Maybe it's because the man gets to stop working while the woman continues to not work like she has for the last 60 years? Cleaning the house, doing the laundry, cooking the meals, etc.

FTFY

/why yes I am a woman.
//ducks.

Is cleaning the house, doing the laundry, and cooking meals, etc. work? Yes. Is it comparable to a career? Not even close, and it's embarassing when people think it is.

Here's the general breakdown of work hours based on info from the University of Michigan's Institute for Social Research:

Men do more work outside the house. Women work more hours inside the house. Overall, men tend to work slightly more hours.

A 2002 IRS press release showed what men worked 37 hours of market labor per week, and 16 hours of housework. Women worked 24 job hours and 27 workplace hours. Grand totals? Men: 53 hours, Women: 51. But even the press release slants the info to depict women as doing more housework ... you gotta get to the fine print at the bottom of the page to see how American men do more work overall. Press release: Link (new window)

lol, look one post above your original post. I called this.

No but really, I've seen these studies. For the most part, they are bullshiat. If you read the methodology, and, I have, if a woman goes out on errands, they count the drive time. So if she's running 8 errands, most of that is drive time, which is counted as "work". That's just one of the little tricks these researchers use to try to portray the stay-at-home mom as a slave laborer while the man is portrayed as sitting in the corner office with his feet on the desk. This is what happens when you work for a university....you lose all concept of how life really works.

bushbot111: I tend to agree with you about these kinds of studies in general -- they tend to flatter housewives.

I thought the interesting thing about this particular study was how the actual data showed that men did more work overall, while the header summary for the press release stressed that men did less housework. They seemed to be pandering to women and belittling men.

FWIW, when I was a kid my mom would chat on the phone with her friends most of the day, and save a lot of the housework till mid-afternoon when my dad came home from a steel mill. I didn't realize until my teens that mom was scheduling her housework so that she could look busy when dad came home...

Interesting that men have the time to post on Fark while at work or at home, but women don't.

/ducks again.
//wow, dodging all this "stuff" gets tiring.
///I think I am going to watch my stories and eat bon bons.

Catran 2009-12-03 12:50:43 PM
Interesting that men have the time to post on Fark while at work or at home, but women don't.

/ducks again.
//wow, dodging all this "stuff" gets tiring.
///I think I am going to watch my stories and eat bon bons.

Our wives are at home working shopping for new shoes with my money

nostratic:

FWIW, when I was a kid my mom would chat on the phone with her friends most of the day, and save a lot of the housework till mid-afternoon when my dad came home from a steel mill. I didn't realize until my teens that mom was scheduling her housework so that she could look busy when dad came home...

It may have been simple procrastination - Hanlon's razor and all. I remember stumbling across one of those antiquated "good wife" guides that actually had a lot of stuff in it that made sense. Their suggestion was to drop what you're doing by 2pm. No chores after that. Have dinner ready to be heated. After 2pm, you should be relaxing and enjoying yourself (a cocktail and a hot bath were recommended, iirc), so you'll have a happy time with your husband.

I actually try to take the reverse of that advice on the rare days that I'm home and my wife's working, for whatever reasons.

nostratic:

I thought the interesting thing about this particular study was how the actual data showed that men did more work overall, while the header summary for the press release stressed that men did less housework. They seemed to be pandering to women and belittling men.

FWIW, when I was a kid my mom would chat on the phone with her friends most of the day, and save a lot of the housework till mid-afternoon when my dad came home from a steel mill. I didn't realize until my teens that mom was scheduling her housework so that she could look busy when dad came home...i>


Ever have a conversation with a woman about this? They get more defensive than a lion protecting its cubs.

I wish the article was still up....a few years back I read this article from a woman who basically 'came out' and said that being a housewife and stay-at-home mom is really a joke compared to the stress and difficulty of working in the corporate world. The comments from the stay-at-home moms were...well, they had to take the entire article down. I'm talking phsyical threats against this person's life...