GurneyHalleck: As long as Israel has nukes, it would seem logical for Iran to want some of their own.

This sort of makes sense. I don't blame people living near Israel for wanting a nuclear deterrent. The only problem is that pursuing one is likely to get your shiat kicked in by Israel before you can set it up.

The situation as it stands now is that the Israelis are deterred by the international community. Even the US would not be able to support Israel any more if they went around first-strike-nuking people. Iran is liable to bring themselves more harm than good by getting weapons.

That being said, I've always thought the best way to handle it on our end is to simply restate the concept of MAD to the Iranians whenever it is they develop their first warhead in a nicely worded letter from the State Department.

It should be up to Israel if they want to do anything further than that, and they should be the ones paying for the cost of any further actions in money, time, international credibility, diplomatic relations and lives. Not us.

Sigh, these threads are getting tired. In before the same old bunch of "B..bu...Israel'....

GurneyHalleck: As long as Israel has nukes, it would seem logical for Iran to want some of their own.

Yes, because Israel has used their nukes.

Iran and their terrorist branches they support would love to eliminate Israel from the map. I don't see Israel removing Iran from the map and they have the capability to do so.

I would want nukes too if Israel was next door to me. They don't exactly have a friendly banter going on with the other Middle Eastern nations.
America has committed far more atrocities in this century than Iran has. Get over it.

Don't taunt the dynamite nuclear monkey.

Iran just likes to poke us with a stick. Not sure why, but they keep a-pokin'! Soon the tiger will claw the pokee's face off.

I'd agree with Bernard Kouchner that this is "a biatchildish", except that I'd remove the qualifier.

I'd also agree with the skeptics who find it improbable that a nation which is having difficulty maintaining the centrifuge cascades at one site would be able to rapidly become successful at ten.

It's really a "no, nuh-uh, can-too" response.

It is so hypocritical for the world to criticize Iran's plans on building nuclear weapons. No one seems to have a problem with all the nukes that the USA currently controls. Its only a matter of time before the Obama Regime acts on its longtime and well know goal of killing old white people when they start nuking retirement homes and Country Kitchen

Contrabulous Flabtraption: How much enriching does that shiat require?

Needs to be 90% or above for nuclear weapons.

willydwonka: I would want nukes too if Israel was next door to me.

"Next door"?

Hopefully the apocalypse is more like Road Warrior and less like On the Beach. I can't find an occasion to wear my chaps and shoulder pads combo.

HHHMM Looks like President Miracle Worker Smart and Charismatic has got exactly the same response from the Iranians that Dumb ole Bush got. Zip point squat.

Gonna have to slap em down eventually.

pathouston22: GurneyHalleck: As long as Israel has nukes, it would seem logical for Iran to want some of their own.

Yes, because Israel has used their nukes.

Iran and their terrorist branches they support would love to eliminate Israel from the map. I don't see Israel removing Iran from the map and they have the capability to do so.

What proof do you have that they would actually attempt it?

MIguy: I wouldn't respond to any of Iran's babbling about enriching uranium or building more facilities and let them do whatever they want. Then while they were having the ribbon cutting ceremony I'd cruise missile the shiat out of them.

Then I'd wake up and post my awesome dream at Fark.com

Korovyov: willydwonka: I would want nukes too if Israel was next door to me.

"Next door"?

I recognize that they aren't literally next door neighbours. In this case, close enough to hit you with a missle counts as "next door" in my book.

pathouston22: GurneyHalleck: As long as Israel has nukes, it would seem logical for Iran to want some of their own.

Yes, because Israel has used their nukes.

Iran and their terrorist branches they support would love to eliminate Israel from the map. I don't see Israel removing Iran from the map and they have the capability to do so.

There's already an Islamic nation that has nukes. There's already a nation that is at war with terrorists (and probably has terrorist sympathizers in high offices).

Can you guess what that nation is called? (Jeopardy music)... Pakistan.

And yet we don't go and demand that Pakistan disarm. The only reason that Iran wants nukes is because Cowboy Bush (TM) named them as part of an axis of evil. And yet which nation did we invade? Not the country that poses the largest threat to us and our allies, and which already had nukes (N. Korea). We invaded the weakest country. It's perfectly rational why Iran wants nukes, to prevent an American invasion.

Let em research and build their own nukes. If it makes them more comfortable in their long term security, then it's fine by me. But if they so much as put one toe out of line, start dropping our own nukes on Iran.

Oh, like Tom Servo's death ray?

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MIguy: I wouldn't respond to any of Iran's babbling about enriching uranium or building more facilities and let them do whatever they want. Then while they were having the ribbon cutting ceremony I'd cruise missile the shiat out of them.

Typical lib, looking to the government to do your regime change for you. John Rambo wouldn't wait around for the bureaucrats. You're no John Rambo. You're not even a John Matrix.

Lets just wait and see if they use them on innocent civilians. We should give them some breathing room. Their civilization has been nothing but peaceful in the past. If someone was pointing a gun at you wouldn't you just stand there and wait and see if they pull the trigger first? Sounds like the smart thing to do.

maxheck: It's hardly ever considered, but you know, perhaps Iran actually wants nuclear power...

LOL, check this guy out. I think he's serious.

Korovyov: "a biatchildish"

Hehe.

Korovyov: willydwonka: I would want nukes too if Israel was next door to me.

"Next door"?

Seeing as neither the Islamo-fascist theocracy nor the Judeo-apartheid crypto-theocracy have some sort of national door, I'm going to assume that was a metaphor for "within the effective range of their own nuclear weapons".

But I'm sure you already figured that out.

snocone: Look, sell Florida to Israel to pay for public health.
Ends conflict in Mid East and balances our books.

trees actually grow in Florida

The angry Cuban exile community would certainly help remind them of home.

I always hate it when some opposing civilization in Civ IV starts work on some project I don't want, either.

Although I don't like it, it doesn't really make them "wrong." Maybe they're just ignorant about American exceptionalism.

Iran wants to protect it's energy resources strong arming.

Just cause I like post this.

"Iran is rather bad at grand projects. Its sole nuclear power station has never produced a watt of electricity in more than three decades, the capital's TV tower is unfinished after 20 years of work and Tehran's airport took 30 years to build."

Read more: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-449880/Iran-A-nation-nose-jobs-nuclea r-war.html#ixzz0YZd6HERh

sprd: Their civilization has been nothing but peaceful in the past.

You're not paying attention. Plenty of coffins returned to this country courtesy Iranian artillery shells made into IEDs. How many cargo ships bound for Beirut and Hamas have been intercepted loaded with Iranian arms? Oh yea, my bad, that's all just Jooish propaganda....how stupid of me.

hyperflame: And yet we don't go and demand that Pakistan disarm. The only reason that Iran wants nukes is because Cowboy Bush (TM) named them as part of an axis of evil. And yet which nation did we invade?

A speech given in 2002 justifies a parallel, covert nuclear program that was interacting with A.Q. Khan's network in the late '80s? Interesting.

GurneyHalleck: As long as Israelthe US is giving aid to countries that have has nukes, it would seem logical for Iran to want some of their own.

FIFY. Really very simple, having the bomb means your country never gets invaded again. Ever. And you can extort large sums from richer nations just on the possibility that you might test one again someday.

SomeoneDumb: I always hate it when some opposing civilization in Civ IV starts work on some project I don't want, either.

*soldier rushes into war room, holding documents*

"Sir, the Iroquois are developing The Corporation!"

*General narrows eyes at tactical display*

"Deploy the F-22s."

Why do we care again?

Iran wouldn't be able to nuke US soil for a long time. It would be Israel's problem and Europe's problem and China's problem long before it was our problem.

Let them deal with their crazy neighbors.

News 2002: OMG IRAQ.. Paying suicide bombers against Israel! Existential threat to US and Israel!!! OMG OH NOES

News now: Oh, that was totally overblown on Iraq... but IRAN. Existential threat to US and Israel!!! OMG OH NOES

GurneyHalleck: As long as Israel has nukes, it would seem logical for Iran to want some of their own. To keep the peace. Because that's why Uncle Ronnie Raygun said we had to build those Peacekeeper missiles--to keep peace. And we all know that Ronnie Raygun was the best human being to ever be born, so it can't be a lie! Right subby?

If you really believe that there is absolutely no difference between the Israelis and the Iranians having the bomb, you're spot on correct.

Xetal: Why do we care again?

Because it is political suicide in this country to oppose Israel.

Ya know, why doesn't the UN organize the rest of the countries and go build nuclear power plants in Iran for free? Then they would have no cause to continue enriching uranium. If they insisted, then we'd all know what was up and Israel could respond accordingly.

I know, this is probably pretty Pollyannaish. But, hey, somebody's got to do it.

678583: maxheck: It's hardly ever considered, but you know, perhaps Iran actually wants nuclear power...

LOL, check this guy out. I think he's serious.

It's entirely possible that they've decided to push for a breakout capacity, but aren't actually committed to pushing for actual manufacture of nuclear weapons.

It's also theoretically possible that they focused first on maintaining their own enrichment facilities just in case the Russians decided to screw with their fuel supply like how they use natural gas as leverage, but if so they've been acting extremely childishly and also have considerable explaining to do considering the amount of weapons-related information that just happens to have been associated with their procurement.

I can't wait for Iran to get nukes.

Think about it like this: Iran gets nuke, gives it to Hezbollah by way of the Revolutionary Guard, Tel-Aviv goes bye-bye, and we can finally break the OPEC cartel when we kick the everliving shiat out of the Guardian council and correct over fifty years of American whoopsies. And hopefully the House of Saud will get in on the fun so we can "accidentally" drop a Trident on the Kaaba.

/Iran having nukes is like a Sixteen-Year-Old having a Veyron

Xetal: Why do we care again?

Iran wouldn't be able to nuke US soil for a long time. It would be Israel's problem and Europe's problem and China's problem long before it was our problem.

Let them deal with their crazy neighbors.

Yea, why should we care if most of the worlds petroleum production stops and there's no more Israel? We have electric Obamamobiles and puppies.

*facepalm*