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Nabb1: TheCharmerUnderMe: All I know is that he gave me 50 points in FF.

He's been hit & miss all season because the Saints have such a good running game, but when they need a shootout against a high-scoring team, he brings in the blowout points.

I can't wait for playoff season, but the Saints are going up against some ducks in the FF playoff games, so he may be hit and miss again.

With the Vikings only one loss behind the Saints (and to an AFC team at that, so if the Saints drop one, the conference record tie breaker will go to Minnesota), New Orleans won't be able to take its foot off the gas for the foreseeable future and Brees should put up some good numbers for you. One caveat: the Redskins are very good against the pass but not very good against the run. I'd look for New Orleans to pound the ball this week at Washington, then air it out against Atlanta the following week.

DHall is out this week and Haynesowrth is back in. That should 180 their strategy this week.

I'm not a Saints fan, but that is pretty cool stuff.

TheCharmerUnderMe: All I know is that he gave me 50 points in FF.

50?!? How does your league score?

Quasar: Ugh, they're starting to Favrebow the Breesus.

The trouble with Monday's game is that it was probably the best game the Saints will play this entire season. They have some consistency issues here and there and need to step it up before they're a lock for the SuperBowl.

Still, I can't say I enjoyed a moment in football as much as I did seeing Brady get pulled with 5 minutes left in the game.

Brady did NOT get pulled. He took off to lick cake frosting off Gisele's firm backside. Priorities, people!

Tyrone Biggums: 50?!? How does your league score?

He got 44 in my league. 50 seems reasonable.

Meh...the "statheads" are basing that assumption on average YPA, a figure that they apparently dedicated an article to inflating its importance (didn't bother to click on the link). If they really wanted to compare numbers, lets compare Brees' performance on Monday, to, say, some guy named (let's call him "Ron Grady") in week six, 2009 v. Tenness- er, I mean "Houston Oilers" :-p:

Brees on 12/30:
18 of 23 (78.3%), 371 yards, 16.1 YPA, 5 TD, 0 INT 158.3 passer rating

Bra- er.."Grady"
29 of 34 (85.3%), 380 yards, 11.2 YPA, 6 TD, 0 INT 152.8 passer rating

Seems like Mr. Grady missed out on YPA (by 4.9 yds), and passer rating- a stat that has been heavily debated as suspect and arbitrary.

Selective stat-mongering aside, I'd take "Grady" over Brees any day...

/...even after the Saints completely biatchslapped my Pats, stole their lunch money, and then said "Whatcha gonna do about it??"...sigh....

18 of 23 (78.3%), 371 yards, 16.13 YPA, 5 TD, 0 INT

I don't know about that. 5 TDs is sick, but only 18 completions and less than 400 yards passing?

There had to be a better game at some point. Marino had to have had a better game than that, Montana?

Jay CiR: Seems like Mr. Grady missed out on YPA (by 4.9 yds), and passer rating- a stat that has been heavily debated as suspect and arbitrary.

yards per attempt is the biggie, and the best indicator of quality. 16 per attempt is insanely good

Jay CiR: Meh...the "statheads" are basing that assumption on average YPA, a figure that they apparently dedicated an article to inflating its importance (didn't bother to click on the link). If they really wanted to compare numbers, lets compare Brees' performance on Monday, to, say, some guy named (let's call him "Ron Grady") in week six, 2009 v. Tenness- er, I mean "Houston Oilers" :-p:

Brees on 12/30:
18 of 23 (78.3%), 371 yards, 16.1 YPA, 5 TD, 0 INT 158.3 passer rating

Bra- er.."Grady"
29 of 34 (85.3%), 380 yards, 11.2 YPA, 6 TD, 0 INT 152.8 passer rating

Seems like Mr. Grady missed out on YPA (by 4.9 yds), and passer rating- a stat that has been heavily debated as suspect and arbitrary.

Selective stat-mongering aside, I'd take "Grady" over Brees any day...

/...even after the Saints completely biatchslapped my Pats, stole their lunch money, and then said "Whatcha gonna do about it??"...sigh....

I agree. I mean, Brady got 9 more yards on just 11 more throws!

Dr.Knockboots: He did beat up my Patriots soundly.. for sure.
I skimmed through, they don't mention the broken coverage and defender that slipped..it seems.

Not that it matters, my Pats got WTFOWNED. Maybe this puts Billy B against the ropes and he makes some sweeping changes for the better.

Wonder if Drew can break Tom's 50TD's passes record?

Not even close. He's got 27 through 11 games. He'd have to average almost 5 TDs per game over the next 5 to break the record by one. the Saints play a few bad teams, but that would be 'almost' impossible.

albo: yards per attempt is the biggie, and the best indicator of quality. 16 per attempt is insanely good.

Yeah, that's the stat that CHFF is pushing, but, I'd buy into it more if they separated YBC and YAC. The receivers have to run after catching the ball, too- something the quarterback has little to no influence on, and shouldn't be considered on his numbers.

/may not make a difference in the case of Brees' game (some of those passes were damn long), but, then again, it may
//if it's all YBC, 16.1 is insanely good
///still kinda sour about Mon night.....

I dunno, my Packers used to have this QB, I think his name was Brent something or another. Anyways, on 12/22/03 this Brian fella had a heck of a game against Oakland. Only four TD, but I thought it was a better performance.

Jay CiR: albo: yards per attempt is the biggie, and the best indicator of quality. 16 per attempt is insanely good.

Yeah, that's the stat that CHFF is pushing, but, I'd buy into it more if they separated YBC and YAC. The receivers have to run after catching the ball, too- something the quarterback has little to no influence on, and shouldn't be considered on his numbers.

/may not make a difference in the case of Brees' game (some of those passes were damn long), but, then again, it may
//if it's all YBC, 16.1 is insanely good
///still kinda sour about Mon night.....

That should make a huge difference. The Saints receivers had 194 YAC.

Jay CiR: Meh...the "statheads" are basing that assumption on average YPA, a figure that they apparently dedicated an article to inflating its importance (didn't bother to click on the link). If they really wanted to compare numbers, lets compare Brees' performance on Monday, to, say, some guy named (let's call him "Ron Grady") in week six, 2009 v. Tenness- er, I mean "Houston Oilers" :-p:

Brees on 12/30:
18 of 23 (78.3%), 371 yards, 16.1 YPA, 5 TD, 0 INT 158.3 passer rating

Bra- er.."Grady"
29 of 34 (85.3%), 380 yards, 11.2 YPA, 6 TD, 0 INT 152.8 passer rating

Seems like Mr. Grady missed out on YPA (by 4.9 yds), and passer rating- a stat that has been heavily debated as suspect and arbitrary.

Selective stat-mongering aside, I'd take "Grady" over Brees any day...

and let's not forget about grady's performance from 10/21/07:
21 of 25 (84%), 354 yards, 14.16 YPA, 6 TD, 0 INT 158.3 passer rating

Big MerlI dunno, my Packers used to have this QB, I think his name was Brent something or another. Anyways, on 12/22/03 this Brian fella had a heck of a game against Oakland. Only four TD, but I thought it was a better performance.

I think I may remember that guy...wasn't his last name "Forvurvuruh", or somethingorother?

Big Merl: I dunno, my Packers used to have this QB, I think his name was Brent something or another. Anyways, on 12/22/03 this Brian fella had a heck of a game against Oakland. Only four TD, but I thought it was a better performance.

I'd have to agree. Not just the numbers, but the circumstances around the game. Besides, NE's shiatty blown coverages gave him a few big plays, including the 75 yard TD, I'd say their defensive collapse had as much to do with it as anything.

/funny how these stories always pop up, and the author seems to have a one season memory each time...maybe the best single game performance THIS YEAR...

Jay CiR: I think I may remember that guy...wasn't his last name "Forvurvuruh", or somethingorother?

Brendon Wharrgarbl! That was his name! I heard he sells insurance in Minnesota or something like that now.

spacechicken170am: Jay CiR: albo: yards per attempt is the biggie, and the best indicator of quality. 16 per attempt is insanely good.

Yeah, that's the stat that CHFF is pushing, but, I'd buy into it more if they separated YBC and YAC. The receivers have to run after catching the ball, too- something the quarterback has little to no influence on, and shouldn't be considered on his numbers.

/may not make a difference in the case of Brees' game (some of those passes were damn long), but, then again, it may
//if it's all YBC, 16.1 is insanely good
///still kinda sour about Mon night.....

That should make a huge difference. The Saints receivers had 194 YAC.

I don't know how you'd go about separating out the QB's influence on that, though. A receiver's going to have a better chance for YAC if the throw hits him right in stride than if he has to dive or slow down for it, though the yards before catch would be about the same.

Jay CiR: Meh...the "statheads" are basing that assumption on average YPA, a figure that they apparently dedicated an article to inflating its importance (didn't bother to click on the link). If they really wanted to compare numbers, lets compare Brees' performance on Monday, to, say, some guy named (let's call him "Ron Grady") in week six, 2009 v. Tenness- er, I mean "Houston Oilers" :-p:

Brees on 12/30:
18 of 23 (78.3%), 371 yards, 16.1 YPA, 5 TD, 0 INT 158.3 passer rating

Bra- er.."Grady"
29 of 34 (85.3%), 380 yards, 11.2 YPA, 6 TD, 0 INT 152.8 passer rating

Seems like Mr. Grady missed out on YPA (by 4.9 yds), and passer rating- a stat that has been heavily debated as suspect and arbitrary.

Selective stat-mongering aside, I'd take "Grady" over Brees any day...

/...even after the Saints completely biatchslapped my Pats, stole their lunch money, and then said "Whatcha gonna do about it??"...sigh....

Didn't Ron Grady play a Tennessee Titans team that quit by the 2nd quarter?

you have pee hands: A receiver's going to have a better chance for YAC if the throw hits him right in stride than if he has to dive or slow down for it, though the yards before catch would be about the same.

good point. and brees is all abou it that. his accuracy is amazing.

/as eagles fan watches mcnabb bounce another slant off the receiver's ankles

tchau: Jay CiR: Meh...the "statheads" are basing that assumption on average YPA, a figure that they apparently dedicated an article to inflating its importance (didn't bother to click on the link). If they really wanted to compare numbers, lets compare Brees' performance on Monday, to, say, some guy named (let's call him "Ron Grady") in week six, 2009 v. Tenness- er, I mean "Houston Oilers" :-p:

Brees on 12/30:
18 of 23 (78.3%), 371 yards, 16.1 YPA, 5 TD, 0 INT 158.3 passer rating

Bra- er.."Grady"
29 of 34 (85.3%), 380 yards, 11.2 YPA, 6 TD, 0 INT 152.8 passer rating

Seems like Mr. Grady missed out on YPA (by 4.9 yds), and passer rating- a stat that has been heavily debated as suspect and arbitrary.

Selective stat-mongering aside, I'd take "Grady" over Brees any day...

/...even after the Saints completely biatchslapped my Pats, stole their lunch money, and then said "Whatcha gonna do about it??"...sigh....

Didn't Ron Grady play a Tennessee Titans team that quit by the 2nd quarter?

Yes, i think we need this Ron Grady team to play against a team coached by Bill Belichick and see how well he does. Do they play against each other this season? Howabout in the playoffs?

Jay CiR: and passer rating- a stat that has been heavily debated as suspect and arbitrary.

The only people who consider passer rating "suspect and arbitrary" are those who don't like the passer rating of their team's QB. There is nothing arbitrary about it.

It certainly isn't a fool-proof calculation, and it's a much better stat when used to evaluate an entire season or a career as opposed to a single game. Somethings, like fumbles or W/L, aren't factors, and they probably should be, which might cause people to question it's value. But there's nothing suspect or arbitrary about it...it's a mathematical equation.

homarjr: He got 44 in my league. 50 seems reasonable.

He got 34 in my league.

Quasar You're comparing Brees' performance against the #10 pass defense with Brady's performance agaisnt the #31 pass defense?

tchau Didn't Ron Grady play a Tennessee Titans team that quit by the 2nd quarter?

No, Raul Grandy played a Houston Oilers team that quit by the second quarter. (outdoors, and in the snow, mind you). :-p

Dem Saints (who dey?) - Indeed, got some great numbers- under a dome - under a climate-controlled environment - against a Pats team that pretty much quit by the middle-to-end of the third quarter.

\See? I can come up with conditional circumstances and stats that support my argument and mitigate the other guys' accomplishments, too!

I had to laugh at Brady AND Manning this weekend...they get a little bit of pressure from the D line and they look like they're going to start crying..."waaah!! I don't have 6.5 seconds to throw the ball...waaah!!"

/Packer fan
//Rodgers has equal or better stats and is under pressure constantly...I'd LOVE to see Manning with a bad O line

you have pee hands: spacechicken170am: Jay CiR: albo: yards per attempt is the biggie, and the best indicator of quality. 16 per attempt is insanely good.

Yeah, that's the stat that CHFF is pushing, but, I'd buy into it more if they separated YBC and YAC. The receivers have to run after catching the ball, too- something the quarterback has little to no influence on, and shouldn't be considered on his numbers.

/may not make a difference in the case of Brees' game (some of those passes were damn long), but, then again, it may
//if it's all YBC, 16.1 is insanely good
///still kinda sour about Mon night.....

That should make a huge difference. The Saints receivers had 194 YAC.

I don't know how you'd go about separating out the QB's influence on that, though. A receiver's going to have a better chance for YAC if the throw hits him right in stride than if he has to dive or slow down for it, though the yards before catch would be about the same.

That's the trouble with stats. Some things are just really difficult to measure. There are other factors too. At what point do you credit the defense for falling down or blowing coverage? I'm a Skins fan. We blew coverage on 2 plays and Orton tossed up 2 wounded ducks. If there was a defender anywhere close it would have been knocked down. When Orton had to hit the receiver in stride he missed. On paper it looked like Orton was lighting us up even though in actuality it was Moreno doing the damage. Orton also had ~250 yards against the Bengals. That looks pretty good except that 85 of those yards came off of that freak deflection play. Who gets credit for that...brain explode.

Jay CiR: Quasar You're comparing Brees' performance against the #10 pass defense with Brady's performance agaisnt the #31 pass defense?

tchau Didn't Ron Grady play a Tennessee Titans team that quit by the 2nd quarter?

No, Raul Grandy played a Houston Oilers team that quit by the second quarter. (outdoors, and in the snow, mind you). :-p

Dem Saints (who dey?) - Indeed, got some great numbers- under a dome - under a climate-controlled environment - against a Pats team that pretty much quit by the middle-to-end of the third quarter.

\See? I can come up with conditional circumstances and stats that support my argument and mitigate the other guys' accomplishments, too!

I think mentioning that the Saints-Pats game was in a dome only helps the other guys argument more. It's a more neutral playing field, the weather isn't giving an advantage or disadvantage to either side. And you say that the Pats also gave up later...again, helping the other argument.

And does anyone else hope the Titans can make it to the playoffs just to destroy the Patriots in sweet sweet revenge (assuming it doesn't snow)?

Brees was playing like his dad just died.

ihatedumbpeople: I had to laugh at Brady AND Manning this weekend...they get a little bit of pressure from the D line and they look like they're going to start crying..."waaah!! I don't have 6.5 seconds to throw the ball...waaah!!"

/Packer fan
//Rodgers has equal or better stats and is under pressure constantly...I'd LOVE to see Manning with a bad O line

Just an FYI, Peyton's line isn't exceptional.

Quasar: You're comparing Brees' performance against the #10 pass defense with Brady's performance agaisnt the #31 pass defense?

That's after the game so it's really even a bigger spread - the pats were like 5th or 6th heading into the week.

JohnBigBootay: Quasar: You're comparing Brees' performance against the #10 pass defense with Brady's performance agaisnt the #31 pass defense?

That's after the game so it's really even a bigger spread - the pats were like 5th or 6th heading into the week.

Playing the Titans, Bucs, Jets X 2, and the wildcat running Dolphins will do that. If you think that number means they have a good pass defense then I feel bad for you. They got beat up by Kyle Orton and Peyton Manning. I'm a Skins fan and we suppsoedly have a good pass D according to those numbers but it's a sham too. Other teams just run the ball on us. The Pats have a crappy secondary and no pass rush. They will get burned by good passing teams.

Dr.Knockboots: He did beat up my Patriots soundly.. for sure.
I skimmed through, they don't mention the broken coverage and defender that slipped..it seems.

Not that it matters, my Pats got WTFOWNED. Maybe this puts Billy B against the ropes and he makes some sweeping changes for the better.

Wonder if Drew can break Tom's 50TD's passes record?

Nope, because Brees and Payton aren't assholes.

spacechicken170am: If you think that number means they have a good pass defense then I feel bad for you.

No need to feel bad for me - a number is a number, I was just passing it along.

jpinksto: Dr.Knockboots: He did beat up my Patriots soundly.. for sure.
I skimmed through, they don't mention the broken coverage and defender that slipped..it seems.

Not that it matters, my Pats got WTFOWNED. Maybe this puts Billy B against the ropes and he makes some sweeping changes for the better.

Wonder if Drew can break Tom's 50TD's passes record?

Nope, because Brees and Payton aren't assholes.

*psst*

You know whose 48 was the record before Brady threw 49, right?

You're the jerk... jerk: ihatedumbpeople: I had to laugh at Brady AND Manning this weekend...they get a little bit of pressure from the D line and they look like they're going to start crying..."waaah!! I don't have 6.5 seconds to throw the ball...waaah!!"

/Packer fan
//Rodgers has equal or better stats and is under pressure constantly...I'd LOVE to see Manning with a bad O line

Just an FYI, Peyton's line isn't exceptional.

Really? As of right now they're the #1 ranked O-line in the NFL. Say what you want about Manning getting rid of the ball quick...it's not all that. He rarely has any serious pressure on him. They've allowed the fewest total sacks and second fewest QB hits.

you have pee hands: You know whose 48 was the record before Brady threw 49, right?

Psst. I'm a Steeler fan but you know that Peyton spent a helluva lot more time on the bench for his record than Brady did, right?

ihatedumbpeople: Say what you want about Manning getting rid of the ball quick...it's not all that. He rarely has any serious pressure on him. They've allowed the fewest total sacks and second fewest QB hits.

OK - I'll say that it's a partnership. A Rodgers and Roethlisberger would have more sacks behind the Colts' line than Peyton does. The man gets rid of the ball quick and he's as good at reading a defense as anyone before the snap.

ihatedumbpeople: Rodgers has equal or better stats and is under pressure constantly...I'd LOVE to see Manning with a bad O line

You mean like last year when the Colts started 3 rookies on their offensive line for 7 games and had the 2nd worst rushing attack in the league and all Manning did was win the league MVP award again?

A bowl of STFU. Start eating it.

Coach_J: ihatedumbpeople: Rodgers has equal or better stats and is under pressure constantly...I'd LOVE to see Manning with a bad O line

You mean like last year when the Colts started 3 rookies on their offensive line for 7 games and had the 2nd worst rushing attack in the league and all Manning did was win the league MVP award again?

A bowl of STFU. Start eating it.


That would be interesting. The sacks given up by Barbre occur in a little over 2 seconds. Manning takes about 3 seconds to get rid of the ball. Now Rodgers does take a lot of sacks he doesn't have to. He takes a lot of sacks around the 3-4 second mark. Big Ben does that too. I'd say about half of Rogers sacks are on him and the rest are on the line.

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According to this Peyton would die in Washington, San Fran, Kansas City and Buffalo but would be ok in Green Bay and Pittsburgh.