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2009-12-02 01:36:19 AM
Nice find, submitter. (We would have also accepted "at the snap, one team just casually walks off the field".)
 
2009-12-02 01:39:48 AM
What the... what the hell?
 
2009-12-02 01:43:13 AM
They obviously missed the snap count.
 
2009-12-02 01:44:25 AM
I guess whoever was playing him online had to stop and take a dump.
 
2009-12-02 01:45:10 AM
He was told there would be no math.
 
2009-12-02 01:48:40 AM
What in the fark? Did he pass out in his crouch?
 
2009-12-02 01:49:06 AM
Maybe a case of hating the QB?

Mr. Fancypants may have boned his baby mama.
 
2009-12-02 01:52:43 AM
What's funny is the QB actually gains 6 yards. Was that a called play?
 
2009-12-02 01:54:37 AM
Norad: What's funny is the QB actually gains 6 yards. Was that a called play?

Well, it is Florida's defense.
 
2009-12-02 04:02:01 AM
They tried pulling the same play later in the game, except the entire line didn't move and I think the pass went incomplete. Or maybe a penalty was called. I just remember it didn't work out.
 
2009-12-02 04:08:11 AM
normally, I wont click on video. and sports video is doublely true.

DAMN this was funny!!
 
2009-12-02 04:41:37 AM
They do this every time they think someone jumps offside... it's to prove that they never moved. It also allows for Christian Ponder to practically run for his life.
 
2009-12-02 05:14:14 AM
Heard if he froze like a statue, the cheerleader would give 'em this treatment. (link)
 
2009-12-02 06:35:34 AM
Heh....wow.
 
2009-12-02 06:54:58 AM
They showed another play during the game where all 5 lineman did not move at all.
 
2009-12-02 07:28:25 AM
It's a trick some coaches use to confuse defenses after an offsides call. You might have seen it in another game a couple of years ago, though I forget which team pulled it off.
 
2009-12-02 07:29:25 AM
lunch36: They showed another play during the game where all 5 lineman did not move at all.

This. It's some demented form of screen blocking, I guess, that doesn't include any actual blocking. That plus the whole offsides thing mentioned above.
 
2009-12-02 07:31:35 AM
Maybe his ankle bracelet won't allow him to go into his opponents' territory........
 
2009-12-02 07:53:30 AM
Norad: Was that a called play?

yep. seen it many times before. poorly executed. only one guy did it right - the lineman who didn't move. the other guys move and that ruins the goal of this trick play - to convince the defense that it really isn't a play.
 
2009-12-02 08:11:56 AM
psufreak: They do this every time they think someone jumps offside... it's to prove that they never moved. It also allows for Christian Ponder to practically run for his life.

The truth, they do it all the time
 
2009-12-02 08:17:49 AM
Rick Trickett has been doing this for years with his O lines. The line doesn't come out of their stance if they believe the defense jumped. He used to do this at West Virginia before going to FSU.
 
2009-12-02 08:23:46 AM
88WVU93: Rick Trickett has been doing this for years with his O lines. The line doesn't come out of their stance if they believe the defense jumped. He used to do this at West Virginia before going to FSU.

THIS. It happens at least three times every single game, whereupon the announcers act like they've never seen anything like this in the history of organized sports.

Side note - Gary Danielson, the broadcaster during that game who called FSU the "junior varsity" to UF's "varsity" says that FSU was despicable for firing Bobby Bowden.

EABOD & DIAF. Don't try to make us feel guilty for wanting to get better.
 
2009-12-02 08:25:35 AM
After reading the other comments about what it is for, I have to say:

THAT IS THE DUMBEST FARKING MOVE EVER!

Who in there right GD-mind would think that is a good idea? What O-lineman would go along with it? How do they have a QB willing to play?
 
2009-12-02 08:26:53 AM
ole prophet: After reading the other comments about what it is for, I have to say:

THAT IS THE DUMBEST FARKING MOVE EVER!

Who in there their right GD-mind would think that is a good idea? What O-lineman would go along with it? How do they have a QB willing to play?
 
2009-12-02 08:33:31 AM
I loved the announcers in the UF-FSU game calling it a "trick play" or a "mistake" - it's how they are coached. Do your homework, guys!
 
2009-12-02 08:34:13 AM
ole prophet: After reading the other comments about what it is for, I have to say:

THAT IS THE DUMBEST FARKING MOVE EVER!

Who in there right GD-mind would think that is a good idea? What O-lineman would go along with it? How do they have a QB willing to play?


Well it happens about 3 times a game and about 95% of the time results in an offsides call with resulting "free" play or it just completely confuses the defense (or the geriatric announcers). So I guess a somewhat intelligent o-lineman who trusts his coaches would go ahead and do that.

You? Not so sure you would know what direction your team was going in the first place.
 
2009-12-02 08:39:52 AM
CBS has great sports coverage, but holy god Verne Lundquist and Gary Danielson suck balls.
 
2009-12-02 08:47:04 AM
ole prophet: After reading the other comments about what it is for, I have to say:

THAT IS THE DUMBEST FARKING MOVE EVER!

Who in there right GD-mind would think that is a good idea? What O-lineman would go along with it? How do they have a QB willing to play?


Are you kidding? I didn't see this particular play, but I'd flipped over to the game for the play where the entire line didn't move, and I jumped in the air. It comes down to two things: smart coaching, and discipline.

Coaching: the center is allowed to snap the ball any time he sees a defensive player going offsides. The QB should always look to throw it deep in this scenario- even if it's intercepted, that will be negated and the offense will gain 5 yards.

Discipline: the offensive line does not move unless the QB has called the proper snap count. Drilling this into your O-linemen's heads from Day 1 will cut down on false start penalties during the season.

It may look nonsensical, but it's really just good fundamental football. The fact that it looks unusual speaks volumes to the state of fundamentals in football today.
 
2009-12-02 08:50:38 AM
It was because the center snapped the ball prematurely missing the snap count. Player was still waiting for it. Likely the O-line coach instituted penalties for false starts that are so bad that no one wants to get one. Happened later in the game, though the center thought he had caught someone offsides/in the neutral zone, so he snapped the ball and remained in position, which I thought was the case as well. It isn't a gimmick. Now if they could have actually blocked anyone when the weren't doing this, they may have had a chance to put up more than 10 points.
 
2009-12-02 08:57:53 AM
Gonz: ole prophet: After reading the other comments about what it is for, I have to say:

THAT IS THE DUMBEST FARKING MOVE EVER!

Who in there right GD-mind would think that is a good idea? What O-lineman would go along with it? How do they have a QB willing to play?

Are you kidding? I didn't see this particular play, but I'd flipped over to the game for the play where the entire line didn't move, and I jumped in the air. It comes down to two things: smart coaching, and discipline.

Coaching: the center is allowed to snap the ball any time he sees a defensive player going offsides. The QB should always look to throw it deep in this scenario- even if it's intercepted, that will be negated and the offense will gain 5 yards.

Discipline: the offensive line does not move unless the QB has called the proper snap count. Drilling this into your O-linemen's heads from Day 1 will cut down on false start penalties during the season.

It may look nonsensical, but it's really just good fundamental football. The fact that it looks unusual speaks volumes to the state of fundamentals in football today.


Thank you for understanding football. Many of the idiots above you should leave the sports tab now.
 
2009-12-02 09:01:25 AM
See the 2:02 mark to see how this can mess with the defense and work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhFLDC_DWlw&feature=related
 
2009-12-02 09:02:06 AM
I remember BC, I think, pulling this same play sometime either last year or the year before that. Can't remember if it had a positive effect. I think not.
 
2009-12-02 09:07:43 AM
My alma mater plays in the ACC, and the O-line discipline is the only thing I like about FSU football. The automatic frozen line and deep routes on potential offsides is smart, and I farking hate it because everything else about the Semenholes is stupid.
 
2009-12-02 09:21:48 AM
crimsin23: That's great and all, but what does it have to do with this play? They also teach the players about the game and what to do in different situations. I just don't see what the QB calling or not calling the proper snap count has to do with this play.

I'll try and explain this to you as simply as possible. The offensive line coach, at Day 1 of Spring Practice, gathered all the linemen around him. He then said something like this: "If any of you knuckleheads come out of your stance before the QB calls the proper snap count, you're going to run every stair in this stadium. If it gets called for a false start, you're going to run them twice. Your job is to make the play gain yards, not to cost the team five yards. It's better for you to stay in your stance and do nothing than it is to move early. Understand?"

In this case, the lineman didn't hear the proper count, so he maintained discipline. I would almost be willing to bet that the coaches called out the other 4 linemen in film study over this.
 
2009-12-02 09:27:11 AM
MogKupo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhFLDC_DWlw&feature=related

It was also done because a defensive player was offsides. Interestingly enough, Rick Trickett, the O-line coach for FSU was the O-line coach for WVU the year previous to the the Gatorbowl in your video and that O-line discipline was still there. It is no coincidence and has everything to do with coaching.
 
2009-12-02 09:29:22 AM
I saw a play earlier where there was a whistle against Florida for being offsides, and as the refs were sorting it out, FSU's O-line was still down in their stance, like statues.

Training like that can't be good for a team, though.
 
2009-12-02 09:33:11 AM
Bruce Campbell: MogKupo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhFLDC_DWlw&feature=related

It was also done because a defensive player was offsides. Interestingly enough, Rick Trickett, the O-line coach for FSU was the O-line coach for WVU the year previous to the the Gatorbowl in your video and that O-line discipline was still there. It is no coincidence and has everything to do with coaching.


During the replay the center falls forward on his face, still not moving, totally bizarre
 
2009-12-02 09:33:13 AM
crimsin23
That's great and all, but what does it have to do with this play? They also teach the players about the game and what to do in different situations. I just don't see what the QB calling or not calling the proper snap count has to do with this play.


If the snap count is "on two" then the line will wait until the second signal before they move. They have been coached to go on the call, not on anything else. This prevents offensive line false starts. The center, however, is coached to snap the ball whenever he sees a defensive player come into the neutral zone. If done, the penalty is always off-sides.

In this case, the snap count was not reached, therefore the line did not move. Cannot stand FSU, but that is good coaching. Obviously not something Bobby had any hand in.
 
2009-12-02 09:33:45 AM
Gonz: It may look nonsensical, but it's really just good fundamental football. The fact that it looks unusual speaks volumes to the state of fundamentals in football today.

Yep, that's why every OL coach uses the technique!!

Oh, wait....
 
2009-12-02 09:36:43 AM
in no way, shape or form is this disciplined coaching. It is called "getting your quarterback injured".

Why would you have everyone NOT MOVE, when instead you know you could have them actually block, so that the QB has time to throw the ball 45 yards down field for a completion. Instead you are hoping the defense is not coached well, and that when the ball is snapped they will stop instead of doing what they are supposed to do and continue to the QB until the whistle is blown.... you know... kinda like what Florida did when their QB almost got decimated by 5 people.

Standing still after the ball is snapped is not "good coaching" it is farking stupid and will get people on your team hurt.
 
2009-12-02 09:36:48 AM
I'll trust some of you who know football better than I do that this is a pretty common football play to catch defensive linemen offsides.

That said, staying in that position for several seconds after the play is unfolding, after all of the linemen around you have left and are moving on with the play, with no whistle and everybody in motion (and the quarterback running for his life), I think it's either:

1) The lineman not defending his QB on purpose, or
2) Some kind of Grand Political Statement about something like their embattled coach being forced out

That's my two cents, marked down to 1.5 cents due to the economy.
 
2009-12-02 09:48:01 AM
So much idiocy in this thread.

Christian Bale: Training like that can't be good for a team, though.

Until the UF game, FSU led the nation in points against ranked teams, in spite of having only one senior starter and only three juniors on offense.

6-6 with the 108th worst defense in the FBS (and a schedule including seven ranked teams) isn't too shabby.
 
2009-12-02 09:51:42 AM
Gonz: ole prophet: After reading the other comments about what it is for, I have to say:

THAT IS THE DUMBEST FARKING MOVE EVER!

Who in there right GD-mind would think that is a good idea? What O-lineman would go along with it? How do they have a QB willing to play?

Are you kidding? I didn't see this particular play, but I'd flipped over to the game for the play where the entire line didn't move, and I jumped in the air. It comes down to two things: smart coaching, and discipline.

Coaching: the center is allowed to snap the ball any time he sees a defensive player going offsides. The QB should always look to throw it deep in this scenario- even if it's intercepted, that will be negated and the offense will gain 5 yards.

Discipline: the offensive line does not move unless the QB has called the proper snap count. Drilling this into your O-linemen's heads from Day 1 will cut down on false start penalties during the season.

It may look nonsensical, but it's really just good fundamental football. The fact that it looks unusual speaks volumes to the state of fundamentals in football today.


While I agree with what you are saying, once every one on the defense and offense is moving around you, as an offensive lineman, have an obligation to try to protect your QB. One thing that pretty much every successful offensive team has in common is the commitment of the offensive linemen to protect their QB. Any advantage to be gained by your remaining in your stance is negated at that point and by the potential harm to your QB by you acting like a complete moron. It's called common sense.
 
2009-12-02 09:51:45 AM
pburchins: Maybe his ankle bracelet won't allow him to go into his opponents' territory........

the "new keyboard" is the most overused meme in the hx of fark, but damn...that was funny.
 
2009-12-02 09:57:54 AM
Tony Van Morrison: Gonz: It may look nonsensical, but it's really just good fundamental football. The fact that it looks unusual speaks volumes to the state of fundamentals in football today.

Yep, that's why every OL coach uses the technique!!

Oh, wait....


Read what I underlined again. Every O-line coach should be using this technique, or at least a variation of it. If nothing else, the center should have free rein to snap the ball when he sees a defensive player in or across the neutral zone. The fact that few teams do this tells me that coaches either do not understand or do not teach good fundamentals to their center.

Keep in mind, we're talking about the one guy who has his hands on the ball for every offensive play. Not even the QB can make that claim, because you can run direct snaps to a RB. Do you have to have a great center to win? Not necessarily, but it helps. Watch a Colts game sometime- Jeff Saturday is doing the same thing with the line that Peyton Manning does with the backs and receivers. He's calling protections, he's directing traffic, he's making the offense work.
 
2009-12-02 10:04:05 AM
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"What the hell was that?"
 
2009-12-02 10:04:34 AM
neilio42: Discipline: the offensive line does not move unless the QB has called the proper snap count. Drilling this into your O-linemen's heads from Day 1 will cut down on false start penalties during the season.

this
 
2009-12-02 10:06:22 AM
capnmonkey: Bruce Campbell: MogKupo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhFLDC_DWlw&feature=related

It was also done because a defensive player was offsides. Interestingly enough, Rick Trickett, the O-line coach for FSU was the O-line coach for WVU the year previous to the the Gatorbowl in your video and that O-line discipline was still there. It is no coincidence and has everything to do with coaching.

During the replay the center falls forward on his face, still not moving, totally bizarre


THAT...was hilarious, considering the center was making an obvious effort to keep his body in the some position even after he fell over
 
2009-12-02 10:07:32 AM
FLMountainMan: So much idiocy in this thread.

Christian Bale: Training like that can't be good for a team, though.

Until the UF game, FSU led the nation in points against ranked teams, in spite of having only one senior starter and only three juniors on offense.

6-6 with the 108th worst defense in the FBS (and a schedule including seven ranked teams) isn't too shabby.



And it's all due to their frozen offensive line. Why don't they do that every play? LOL

It's farking stupid. Certainly after the play has been established to be going for more than 5 seconds, and the other team HAS NOT BEEN FOOLED IN THE LEAST, it is farking stupid. Not good training, not good coaching. Good coaching trusts players to be able to think on their feet at least a tiny bit. That player did not.

"Points scored against ranked teams" wow what a bullshiat stat. And FSU doesn't have the 108th ranked defense in the FBS. You can't have it both ways -- lauding their offense against ranked teams, then disregarding their schedule to call their defense 108th. Sure they have a decent offense--it's 14th when corrected for their tough schedule, but not close to great.

Yes there is much idiocy in this thread, haha. Your team does something so therefore it must be genius.
 
2009-12-02 10:08:00 AM
What a moronic statement that it's good fundamentals...
It may be good fundamentals to have a center who knows that he can snsnap early if warranted, but it is moronic for the line to stay put. The line goes on the movement of the ball.
After 3 seconds you are free to stand up and try and save your QB from getting mauled by 340lb roid-raging maniacs.
Staying down for the whole play is just moronic. It doesn't serve any purpose and it hurts some. You don't always get the offsides call and once the play is being allowed to run, you not doing anything puts you at a one man disadvantage. Stay down for a count of 1 to demonstrate that you didn't move, but anything more is beyond fundamental football, it's fundamentally stupid.
 
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