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(NPR)   Palo Alto parents stand by railroad tracks all day to prevent suicidal teens from jumping in front of trains. Because that's waaaaay less boring than actually listening to suicidal teens   (npr.org) divider line 271
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2009-11-30 09:17:48 PM  
I could never understand how kids can get themselves so worked up over school that they'll off themselves. These are supposed to be the smart kids, right? I was always smart enough to know just how much total BS high school was and pretty much just did the motions until it was finally time to go to college.

Must be the parents. Good job, farkwads, you made you stressed your kid to the point of suicide over school.
 
2009-11-30 09:18:30 PM  
www.boston.com


/oblig
 
2009-11-30 09:20:34 PM  
FTA: There are no shrines erected here, no memorials to the four dead teenagers. No one wants to romanticize what happened. In fact, no one even uses the "S" word, instead referring to "the incidents," or "the misuse of the tracks." The volunteers fear saying anything that could encourage another copycat.

Yeah because sneaking around however many volunteers in highly reflective jackets and proving just how useless and retarded their response to a suicide problem isn't just the thing a smart kid who wants to off himself and is mad at the world would do.
 
2009-11-30 09:20:38 PM  
How 'bout suicidal adults? Are they free to go? And what about pregnant women?
 
2009-11-30 09:21:07 PM  
The All-Powerful Atheismo: I went to Gunn HS and committed suicide so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies

Best use of this cliche I've seen yet.
 
2009-11-30 09:23:10 PM  
Somaticasual: As long as they don't collect small patches of flesh from each victim, then sew them into a roll for police..

Awesome.

/mail me?
 
2009-11-30 09:23:51 PM  
Somaticasual: A for Effort, F for followthrough. There are these things called "fences" that are remarkably cheaper than a manned "patrol"..

Uh huh. And so you're suggesting putting fences across the numerous crossings for cars and pedestrians as well as the station platforms? And I suppose teenagers in your area can't scale fences? I suspect you haven't thought your brilliant plan all the way through.

Frankly, these rich, spoiled little emo kids killing themselves by jumping in front of trains seem pretty pathetic, but nothing short of armed guards can really keep them out.
 
2009-11-30 09:26:11 PM  
tweek46420: FTA There are no shrines erected here, no memorials to the four dead teenagers. No one wants to romanticize what happened. In fact, no one even uses the "S" word, instead referring to "the incidents," or "the misuse of the tracks." The volunteers fear saying anything that could encourage another copycat.

ya because talking about suicide is really going to encourage more kids to do it.......burying your head in the sand is a much better option


This. This seems unnecessarily cruel. Each of those 'incidents' had a name and a face. What's next, burying them in unmarked graves?
 
2009-11-30 09:26:41 PM  
French Rage: No argument here. But you have to factor in (blatant unresearched stereotype coming up) that these are Asian kids where failure is not an option.

You really don't know what your talking about on either point.

Palo Alto campus searches for healing after suicides (new window)
 
2009-11-30 09:27:27 PM  
traylor: How 'bout suicidal adults? Are they free to go? And what about pregnant women?

Don't forget unattended babies in their strollers!
 
2009-11-30 09:28:17 PM  
bmihura: I notice most of the world's "suicide prevention" effort happens in northern California.

Golden Gate bridge, this article, Google the rest for yourself.

Why are people in northern Cali so focused on offing themselves?


Well the weather doesn't really help much. But I'm thinking of offing myself because I'm just not a useful member of society.
 
2009-11-30 09:32:47 PM  
bmihura: I notice most of the world's "suicide prevention" effort happens in northern California.

Golden Gate bridge, this article, Google the rest for yourself.

Why are people in northern Cali so focused on offing themselves?


If you lived here you wouldn't have to ask.
 
2009-11-30 09:32:51 PM  
Yes by all means, this will help prevent all future youth suicides.

But never mind trying to address the cause of the suicides what's the point of that?
 
2009-11-30 09:33:07 PM  
merreborn: jimi32: FriarReb98: French Rage: oldebayer: Having been to Palo Alto, I have to ask, Why?

Huge academic pressure in school. This is Gunn High School, right next to Stanford, and the average SAT score is something like 1350. This has been happening awhile but in the last few months it's gotten even worse.

That would, in fact, be why the parents should be LISTENING to their kids instead of pushing them to be so warped they think Stanford is a safety school. If parents really think physically stopping them is better than having that chat, they need to jump in front of said trains themselves, 'cause they've obviously farked up the gene pool.

This!
Talk, listen, understand, and enjoy (not like MJ) your kids. If they don't get in Stanford, or whatever, they are still viable. How is it appropriate to "guard" the railroad tracks over a college choice?fark, they should love their kids more than this.

Let's make one thing clear: there's no real pressure to get into Stanford. No one gets in to Stanford. Not even Gunn students.

I saw the stats for the 1999 graduating class, when I was a Palo Alto HS student myself. Of the class of '99, something like 2 out of 200-300 kids went on to stanford.

The vast majority go to state schools, just like everyone else.


Well, whatever school they're being aimed for, they're being pushed waaay too hard if they're jumping in front of trains.
 
2009-11-30 09:33:45 PM  
Boring suicides are the WORST.
 
2009-11-30 09:35:22 PM  
In Santa Barbara, there have been something like 5 or 6 teen suicides in the past 6 months, most by train or hanging...in a town of 90,000, the impact is wide and deep.

What school counselors have been noting is that these kids aren't showing the typical red flags for suicidal ideations, making it all the more difficult to provide support before someone reaches a crisis state.

While I agree that the 'Fence Watch' is not going to stop someone who's really determined to kill themselves, at least these parents are trying to take action in what can feel like a helpless situation.
 
2009-11-30 09:37:19 PM  
74rex: In Santa Barbara, there have been something like 5 or 6 teen suicides in the past 6 months, most by train or hanging...in a town of 90,000, the impact is wide and deep.

What school counselors have been noting is that these kids aren't showing the typical red flags for suicidal ideations, making it all the more difficult to provide support before someone reaches a crisis state.

While I agree that the 'Fence Watch' is not going to stop someone who's really determined to kill themselves, at least these parents are trying to take action in what can feel like a helpless situation.


Doesn't drawing attention to the suicides with stunts like this watch just encourage more children to snuff it?
 
2009-11-30 09:38:43 PM  
all of these kids are farking dopes--for the ones who killed themselves--you are a quitter and a loser--can't take all the pressure of being 17?--try having a job, mortgage and kids to take care of you farking pussy!!!--and for the people with their "notes of support"--you're just trying to relieve the guilt you probably feel for teasing those dopes--suck it up butter cup--nobody cares if you die--it won't make people miss you and it won't fix the problem

kids today are such pussies
 
2009-11-30 09:41:12 PM  
Or they could just put the tracks on a big overpass, since they have the money for this. But no, property values are more important than children's lives in Palo Alto.
 
2009-11-30 09:41:37 PM  
LOCNAR69: all of these kids are farking dopes--for the ones who killed themselves--you are a quitter and a loser--can't take all the pressure of being 17?--try having a job, mortgage and kids to take care of you farking pussy!!!--and for the people with their "notes of support"--you're just trying to relieve the guilt you probably feel for teasing those dopes--suck it up butter cup--nobody cares if you die--it won't make people miss you and it won't fix the problem

kids today are such pussies


Wow you have a job, a family and a home? Bummer, man.
 
2009-11-30 09:42:12 PM  
Why are they trying to stop them?
 
2009-11-30 09:43:03 PM  
They all want to reincarnate as hot sexy vampires no doubt.
 
2009-11-30 09:43:09 PM  
LOCNAR69: all of these kids are farking dopes--for the ones who killed themselves--you are a quitter and a loser--can't take all the pressure of being 17?--try having a job, mortgage and kids to take care of you farking pussy!!!--and for the people with their "notes of support"--you're just trying to relieve the guilt you probably feel for teasing those dopes--suck it up butter cup--nobody cares if you die--it won't make people miss you and it won't fix the problem

kids today are such pussies


Sounds like you think having a job, mortgage, and kids is a bad thing that would push you towards suicide, but daggummit you have the will to resist.
 
2009-11-30 09:45:52 PM  
Ignorant McNugget: tweek46420: FTA There are no shrines erected here, no memorials to the four dead teenagers. No one wants to romanticize what happened. In fact, no one even uses the "S" word, instead referring to "the incidents," or "the misuse of the tracks." The volunteers fear saying anything that could encourage another copycat.

ya because talking about suicide is really going to encourage more kids to do it.......burying your head in the sand is a much better option

This. This seems unnecessarily cruel. Each of those 'incidents' had a name and a face. What's next, burying them in unmarked graves?


Suicide spreads like a disease. People who were in a nightmarish state of mind see people taking the emergency exit and it starts looking like a viable option. It is kept secret because it's easier than actually solving the problems.
 
2009-11-30 09:48:00 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-11-30 09:48:11 PM  
hopefully one of them gets hit by a train and we can use the [Ironic] tag.
 
2009-11-30 09:48:42 PM  
Well, it could be that the parents guarding the tracks are NOT the ones whose kids are most likely to 'misuse' them.

/concerned parents are concerned
 
2009-11-30 09:48:48 PM  
The misuse of the tracks?

FTA "They're just getting better from one and boom, again, and boom, again, and they just can't survive like that."

Don't worry lady the tracks are made out of steel they can survive the force it takes to crush a snowflake.
 
2009-11-30 09:52:40 PM  

mesohorny


Don't worry lady the tracks are made out of steel they can survive the force it takes to crush a snowflake.


Maybe one of the kids is named Penny.
 
2009-11-30 09:52:48 PM  
ADHD Librarian: RoyBatty: Congrats subby, I've got about 5 redlights over the past few months for various Heather headlines about Gunn High School.

Teenage suicide (don't do it)

Oh noes, you said the s-word.
Every time you say the s-word a teenager leaps in front of a train. TFA says so...
"no one even uses the "S" word, instead referring to "the incidents," or "the misuse of the tracks." The volunteers fear saying anything that could encourage another copycat."

I also loved "We want to make sure that nothing ever happens here again." No wonder the kids are topping themselves. The town is so boring. Nothing ever happens.


And they also probably feel like if they don't off themselves now, they'll just grow up to become one of the brain-dead adults from this article. That would be a scary enough thought to make me want to kill myself.
 
2009-11-30 09:54:18 PM  
lasercannon writes:

Well the weather doesn't really help much.

SF has the most stable weather of any city in the U.S. So I'm already doubting your logic.

But I'm thinking of offing myself because I'm just not a useful member of society.

If you're not contributing anything, go for it. I'll bet you are though.
 
2009-11-30 09:55:25 PM  
What's really weird? I've known two successful suicides, neither showed any of the typical signs and with a bit of digging the stressors were really strong in both cases. Had any of either person's friends REALLY knew what was going on in the lives of the two, both would be hear today. Both were guys, situations were very different other than one small detail, military service.

Giving these kids a wall of flesh to try preventing this? Great idea as long as you're willing to go the additional mile of staying with the suicide attemptee until COMPETENT help may take over and then stay in touch to show you care because that is what most suicides really want and are too afraid to ask - help.
 
2009-11-30 09:55:30 PM  
I can't stop eating raspberries.
 
2009-11-30 09:57:17 PM  
t2.gstatic.com

Won't someone pleeeeease think of the conductors?

Seriously, the average conductor will experience about two suicide-by-trains in their lifetime. That image will be seared into their minds for life.

Sometimes they wave.
 
2009-11-30 09:59:40 PM  
vudukungfu: I'm just going to leave THIS (new window) right here, and hope gorgor clicks it.

Those pants were a cry for help.
 
2009-11-30 10:03:57 PM  
jaytkay: rebelyell2006: Think of the railroad engineers who have to deal with the knowledge that they killed a person, and had no choice in the matter.

Very traumatic for the engineers. The Chicago Tribune had a story about that, about a year ago I think.


I take the caltrain route past Palo Alto pretty often and the employees say that each engineer hits about 1 person per year and yes, it's horribly traumatic. One said, "They hit the brakes and close their eyes." That's definitely a quote I'll remember...
 
2009-11-30 10:04:40 PM  
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

Approves.
 
2009-11-30 10:06:30 PM  
Same suicide cluster thing happened around my old high school in the 'burbs of Chicago. Bunch of kids at different times just hopped in front of trains, except for one who drove out to a secluded place, doused himself with gasoline, and lit himself on fire. Hell of a way to break the trend.
 
2009-11-30 10:07:09 PM  
Why is this bad, exactly? It's ppossible to both patrol crossings and provide counseling and other help, no?
 
2009-11-30 10:07:51 PM  
Eventually the trains will be stopped, having to clean the remains off, problem solved.
 
2009-11-30 10:08:06 PM  
Having worked at Stanford as a life sciences tech, I can understand why people near there have to off themselves.
 
2009-11-30 10:08:21 PM  
Ey, you wanna get more kids to open up if they're not showing "red flags?" Stop making it a LAW that you have to report them if they just mention suicide.

Make it clear that they can talk to someone who will not judge them, perhaps not even try to solve their problems, but to simply converse with them freely.

It really clams a person up if they know that for just wanting to vent and talk a bit that they'll be put under watch, forced to take therapy, or even put into a guarded home for surveillance... all because they wanted to OPEN UP.

If we want to talk, we'll talk. If we do talk, accept it. If we don't want to talk, pushing/prying only makes it worse.
 
2009-11-30 10:08:46 PM  
Fizics: Why would you want to stop them? They should be handing them train schedules.

THIS
 
2009-11-30 10:12:04 PM  
TF2_Pyro: Ey, you wanna get more kids to open up if they're not showing "red flags?" Stop making it a LAW that you have to report them if they just mention suicide.

Make it clear that they can talk to someone who will not judge them, perhaps not even try to solve their problems, but to simply converse with them freely.

It really clams a person up if they know that for just wanting to vent and talk a bit that they'll be put under watch, forced to take therapy, or even put into a guarded home for surveillance... all because they wanted to OPEN UP.

If we want to talk, we'll talk. If we do talk, accept it. If we don't want to talk, pushing/prying only makes it worse.



2.bp.blogspot.com

Doesn't want to talk about it.
 
2009-11-30 10:14:27 PM  
LOCNAR69: all of these kids are farking dopes--for the ones who killed themselves--you are a quitter and a loser--can't take all the pressure of being 17?--try having a job, mortgage and kids to take care of you farking pussy!!!--and for the people with their "notes of support"--you're just trying to relieve the guilt you probably feel for teasing those dopes--suck it up butter cup--nobody cares if you die--it won't make people miss you and it won't fix the problem

kids today are such pussies


Not sure if serious...
But, Life is cool! a hardscrabble existence, but worth going through. Not the right school, the mortgage, kids, and fighting for what not. Awesome! What's round the corner?
We can make it!
 
2009-11-30 10:14:41 PM  
Any of you roided-out kids know if a person could give a cat a testosterone shot? He's older and a little whiney. Perk him up so to speak.
 
2009-11-30 10:16:17 PM  
TF2_Pyro: Ey, you wanna get more kids to open up if they're not showing "red flags?" Stop making it a LAW that you have to report them if they just mention suicide.

Make it clear that they can talk to someone who will not judge them, perhaps not even try to solve their problems, but to simply converse with them freely.

It really clams a person up if they know that for just wanting to vent and talk a bit that they'll be put under watch, forced to take therapy, or even put into a guarded home for surveillance... all because they wanted to OPEN UP.

If we want to talk, we'll talk. If we do talk, accept it. If we don't want to talk, pushing/prying only makes it worse.


Stop making sense!
 
2009-11-30 10:16:30 PM  
Dee Snarl: Doesn't want to talk about it.

But he does want something...

img32.imageshack.us
 
2009-11-30 10:17:10 PM  
bmihura: lasercannon writes:

Well the weather doesn't really help much.

SF has the most stable weather of any city in the U.S. So I'm already doubting your logic.

But I'm thinking of offing myself because I'm just not a useful member of society.

If you're not contributing anything, go for it. I'll bet you are though.


Other than a few witty comments on fark, no I'm not.
 
2009-11-30 10:20:32 PM  
Let them go.
 
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