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2009-11-27 03:42:10 PM  
It's good to have something in common.
 
2009-11-27 03:45:07 PM  
Sorry, but no, I wouldn't hit it. Not unless you mean with a baseball bat.
 
2009-11-27 03:56:07 PM  
Hell, if they're happy, more power to them.
 
2009-11-27 04:14:29 PM  
What happens when she wants to take the top?
 
2009-11-27 04:55:33 PM  
Not my type even if she was a woman.

But if their happy, more power to them.
 
2009-11-27 05:04:28 PM  
"Oh, you don't understand, Osgood! Ehhhh... I'm a man!"
img171.imageshack.us
"Well, nobody's perfect."
 
2009-11-27 05:13:09 PM  
RocketRod: "Oh, you don't understand, Osgood! Ehhhh... I'm a man!"

"Well, nobody's perfect."


If you didn't already have TF, I'd be sponsoring you.

/LOVE that movie.
 
2009-11-27 05:13:51 PM  
baka-san: Not my type even if she was a woman.

But if their happy, more power to them.


Their what?
 
2009-11-27 05:14:27 PM  
She's not bad, she's...
 
2009-11-27 05:46:15 PM  
She was also nervous about starting a relationship in a country where transsexuals are often sacked or arrested.
 
2009-11-27 05:46:48 PM  
Would not hit, even if it were a woman
 
2009-11-27 05:48:09 PM  
cambie: Sorry, but no, I wouldn't hit it. Not unless you mean with a baseball bat.

Your bio: "I'm a Texan that doesn't sound or act the way everyone seems to expect a Texan to sound or act like.".

Huh, fooled me.

Digi
 
2009-11-27 05:48:46 PM  
RocketRod: "Oh, you don't understand, Osgood! Ehhhh... I'm a man!"

"Well, nobody's perfect."


Thread over.
 
2009-11-27 05:48:57 PM  
Oh man. I party in K.L. regularly and this is a common thing. The clubs are filled with trannies and the Arab and Western guys who don't seem to pick up on (or perhaps choose to ignore) the size 11 high heels or adam's apples.
 
2009-11-27 05:49:26 PM  
"woman" in question:
www.moviesoddity.com
 
2009-11-27 05:50:23 PM  
The Onanist: If you didn't already have TF, I'd be sponsoring you.

Then you'll have to give that pleasure to yourself.
 
2009-11-27 05:50:23 PM  
I feel lucky to have met such a caring, wonderful person.

Good save, dude.
 
2009-11-27 05:50:56 PM  
Did he meet her in a club down in old Soho?

DNRTFA
 
2009-11-27 05:51:08 PM  
Yeap, would not hit even if he were a woman.
 
2009-11-27 05:51:22 PM  
no thanks, I'm a bit more picky.
 
2009-11-27 05:51:45 PM  
No...no I wouldn't.

/don't care what accessories you're sporting, if the DNA is male, you're not on the menu
 
2009-11-27 05:52:00 PM  
Ian, 30, who owns his own property maintenance company, says: "I know it is hard for people to understand but I love Fatine. I feel lucky to have met such a caring, wonderful person.

...and she/he has got a pretty dick, too!
 
2009-11-27 05:52:28 PM  
Both a very sweet and very sad story.

I am glad they have found happiness together and truly hope things work out.
If love was where and what you were expecting and with whom you expected, we would all have it right now.
 
2009-11-27 05:53:11 PM  
Who cares if she was from Iran?

img230.imageshack.us
 
2009-11-27 05:53:20 PM  
Scifientologist: No...no I wouldn't.

/don't care what accessories you're sporting, if the DNA is male, you're not on the menu


What if someone's DNA is neither, or both?
 
2009-11-27 05:53:34 PM  
How could he not tell he was a man? 2 seconds after looking at the image, i could tell.
 
2009-11-27 05:53:41 PM  
The wedding photo is cute, but not interested. Don't think she should be deported because of a passport photo. Of course, it is the Sun so let's not get caught up in facts and all.
 
2009-11-27 05:53:44 PM  
surrenderyoursushi: Oh man. I party in K.L. regularly and this is a common thing. The clubs are filled with trannies and the Arab and Western guys who don't seem to pick up on (or perhaps choose to ignore) the size 11 high heels or adam's apples.

Those must be conservative men you're running into.

punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-11-27 05:54:24 PM  
Nope. Sorry, but I wouldn't hit it. Now, if he looked like a True Lies Jamie Lee Curtis or a late Cheers Kirstie Alley or a Third Rock from the Sun Kristen Johnston... then yea, he might get one up the pooper.
 
2009-11-27 05:54:42 PM  
I see Takei in her his eyes.

www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net
 
2009-11-27 05:54:46 PM  
Meh, a hole's a hole.
 
2009-11-27 05:54:48 PM  
www.popentertainment.com
 
2009-11-27 05:55:28 PM  
Was that Mr. Sulu in drag?
 
2009-11-27 05:55:41 PM  
Heroic Poser: I feel lucky to have met such a caring, wonderful person.

Good save, dude.


This may be hard to grasp, but for a significant portion of the human community plumbing is secondary to other concerns.
 
2009-11-27 05:57:03 PM  
What, no sappy tag?
 
2009-11-27 05:57:20 PM  
img109.imageshack.us

images.chron.com

userserve-ak.last.fm

i282.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-27 05:57:23 PM  
Where I grew up, we had a name for cute girls that were really thin with larger than normal tits.


"Peaches on Stilts"


/I think this could apply here
 
2009-11-27 05:57:35 PM  
I'm quite straight, but as I say:

If I can't tell, I don't care.

Besides, I'm always trying to stick it in the wife's pooper, so really, what would the difference be? Aside from something extra to grab onto, I mean.
 
2009-11-27 05:59:32 PM  
I'd have a hard time getting over the penis thing
 
2009-11-27 05:59:40 PM  
wild9: Where I grew up, we had a name for cute girls that were really thin with larger than normal tits.


"Peaches on Stilts"


/I think this could apply here

Banana
on stilts, perhaps?
 
2009-11-27 05:59:47 PM  
aagrajag: I'm quite straight, but as I say:

If I can't tell, I don't care.

Besides, I'm always trying to stick it in the wife's pooper, so really, what would the difference be? Aside from something extra to grab onto, I mean.


This. And good for them. I hope they can make it work.
 
2009-11-27 06:00:01 PM  
Jackpot777: surrenderyoursushi: Oh man. I party in K.L. regularly and this is a common thing. The clubs are filled with trannies and the Arab and Western guys who don't seem to pick up on (or perhaps choose to ignore) the size 11 high heels or adam's apples.

Those must be conservative men you're running into.


I just found out she is going out with JJ Walker.

www.bartcop.com


Blew my farking mind.
 
2009-11-27 06:00:11 PM  
aagrajag: I'm quite straight, but,,,something extra to grab onto, I mean.

hmmmmmmm
 
2009-11-27 06:00:36 PM  
My wife brought up a gppd question. Is he gay because **right now** but will soon be a woman? (Granted a transexual woman, but a woman nonetheless. Is the matter of his sexuality now a matter of timing? Will he still love "Fatine" after the surgery????

/not that I care, but they ARE good questions.....
 
2009-11-27 06:01:27 PM  
Rocketrod wins!

/first thing I thought of
 
2009-11-27 06:01:28 PM  
I once had a friend that was a transexual. All he wanted was to eat, drink and be Mary.

/obscure?
not on fark.
 
2009-11-27 06:01:34 PM  
That's a man. Only a moran couldn't tell.
 
2009-11-27 06:01:39 PM  
I went to my freshman homecoming dance with a girl who had Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. Thankfully I didn't find out about the AIS until I was much older. Still, though, kind of odd to think about. My date was genetically male, but from all outward appearances was a girl. Not only a girl, but an attractive girl! A girl I had known since I was in kindergarten!

/Did not tap that.
//Pretty glad about that...
///Cool story, bro.
 
2009-11-27 06:01:57 PM  
Was she a spy?
 
2009-11-27 06:03:08 PM  
FTFA: "It doesn't matter to me that she is a transsexual - it's the person she is inside that I care about and love....For Fatine it was strange to be surrounded by people who were so accepting of her and our relationship....

I was thinking about something to really add to that and Shakespeare's sonnet 116 comes to mind:

...Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove....

He looked inside and SAW the person that lies within. He found out that SHE was a HE biologically but that does not change the person SHE really is in all else. (and I say SHE becuase this is how she identifies and how SHE sees herself and how she wishes the world to accept her as..so I do as well.) He really does love 'her' and THAT is the point. It is great that his friends and family accept her for who she is and that they can show, not everyone are close-minded prudes or intolerant arseholes. Sometimes its nice to see things like this. Hope it works out for them.

More power to them for standing up for their love and not backing down.

/and please! I know there will be comments on the 'alter' part of the sonnet eventually: THIS is FARK after all (and snark is to be expected) but whatever! Altered, unaltered: She is who she is and that is all!

//That kind of love is just awesome and renews my faith in humanity sometimes

///more slashes

//// slashy slash!

// yeah I guess EVEN I can have feelings and emotions too! go figure.... :P more slashies!!!!!
 
2009-11-27 06:03:18 PM  
albuquerquehalsey: She was also nervous about starting a relationship in a country where transsexuals are often sacked or arrested.

I was sure I wasn't the only one to cackle childishly at that.
 
2009-11-27 06:03:23 PM  
Trannies: Emptying closets since the '80s
 
2009-11-27 06:03:47 PM  
Foaming: Did he meet her in a club down in old Soho?

DNRTFA


Actually she's from Miami, F.L.A. and she hitchhiked her way across the USA.
 
2009-11-27 06:04:05 PM  
tinyarena: aagrajag: I'm quite straight, but,,,something extra to grab onto, I mean.

hmmmmmmm


Valid concern.

However, your honour, I'd like to submit my porn collection as evidence...

//An anus just isn't as quite as delightful without a beautiful vagina next to it
 
2009-11-27 06:04:32 PM  
 
2009-11-27 06:06:08 PM  
pic.bgstuff.net

Even if it really was a she
 
2009-11-27 06:06:23 PM  
I also meant to say: They faced the biggest obstacle..that she is a HE but even that did not change his mind....LOVE IS LOVE! They proved it! Thier love was not altered or changed by her being biologically of the same gender! Good for them! THAT IS LOVE!

/me goes back to lurking now
//I hate it when i forget things
///more slashies!!!!
 
2009-11-27 06:06:32 PM  
kendelrio: My wife brought up a gppd question. Is he gay because **right now** but will soon be a woman? (Granted a transexual woman, but a woman nonetheless. Is the matter of his sexuality now a matter of timing? Will he still love "Fatine" after the surgery????

/not that I care, but they ARE good questions.....


They're not good questions at all. He currently perceives her as a woman and himself as a straight male. Any surgery she has to enhance her female attributes shouldn't do anything but make him more comfortable with her as a female.

pheed: /Did not tap that.
//Pretty glad about that...


You're so hung up on gender that the idea of a condition someone has had from birth that doesn't affect their outward physical appearance at all nor did it probably affect that girl's perception of herself as a woman... that's that big a deal for you?
 
2009-11-27 06:06:40 PM  
Somacandra: Heroic Poser: I feel lucky to have met such a caring, wonderful person.

Good save, dude.

This may be hard to grasp, but for a significant portion of the human community plumbing is secondary to other concerns.


Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.
 
2009-11-27 06:07:27 PM  
I really do hope that everything works out for them.
 
2009-11-27 06:07:47 PM  
I'd hit it, sure. But if she was an 'exotic' beauty, I'd expect something exceptionally awesome. She's... not.
 
2009-11-27 06:07:51 PM  
TFA keeps referring to it as a "same sex partnership". Generally relationships with transsexuals are not seen that way. This guy has no attraction to male characteristics mentioned.

I find it curious that I've never heard of any "threat to traditional marriage" of allowing transsexuals to change their birth certificates and marry. In fact I had to look it up, the practice became legally accepted in different states in the 60's and 70's, although Ohio, Texas, and NY don't allow it. I don't know of any public outcry or moral panic surrounding it at the time.
 
2009-11-27 06:08:20 PM  
After an operation, sha-he can still change into something that more closely resembles a woman.
Now compare that with what most British women turn into after marriage, and ol' Ian is getting a good deal.
 
2009-11-27 06:08:36 PM  
www.noisetosignal.org

Sgt. Hatred approves.
 
2009-11-27 06:08:50 PM  
RocketRod: Then you'll have to give that pleasure to yourself.

What you did there...
 
2009-11-27 06:09:05 PM  
Atomic Spunk: Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.


No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.
 
2009-11-27 06:12:09 PM  
blueice.q-spot.org

/hot
//unlike the tranny
 
2009-11-27 06:12:13 PM  
But what if her penis is bigger than yours
 
2009-11-27 06:13:15 PM  
aagrajag: tinyarena: aagrajag: I'm quite straight, but,,,something extra to grab onto, I mean.

hmmmmmmm

Valid concern.

However, your honour, I'd like to submit my porn collection as evidence...

//An anus just isn't as quite as delightful without a beautiful vagina next to it


No problem here. I've seen asian boys who are prettier than most girls.

www.gayasianboyz.com

Sadly, for me, I can't get excited by someone with the same plumbing I've got.
 
2009-11-27 06:14:10 PM  
Genevieve Marie: Atomic Spunk: Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.

No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.


If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man, you are absolutely wrong. Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

If you refute this, you obviously don't understand straight men.
 
2009-11-27 06:15:10 PM  
I'm happy that they're happy.... but "she" still looks like a dude.
 
2009-11-27 06:16:52 PM  
Well lets see here. If the surgery was done really well and I couldn't tell that I was doing a man-made vagina it could work. Think about it, no PMS, no random bloating and biatchiness the enitre transexual thing does have some pros.

On the downside, no kids of our own. Also I'm told fake boobs don't feel/age all that well. That would be ashame.

No way in hell though I'm doing a newspaper article about it. I'd just tell the family we had fertility problems to explain the no kids and move on from there.
 
2009-11-27 06:17:11 PM  
lol pre-op...he likes it when her schlong bumps his...
 
2009-11-27 06:17:12 PM  
carnifex2005: Jackpot777: surrenderyoursushi: Oh man. I party in K.L. regularly and this is a common thing. The clubs are filled with trannies and the Arab and Western guys who don't seem to pick up on (or perhaps choose to ignore) the size 11 high heels or adam's apples.

Those must be conservative men you're running into.

I just found out she is going out with JJ Walker.

Blew my farking mind.


Dyno... mite? Really? I mean I know he hasn't been relevant in decades (cameos on Scrubs excepted), but he has to be able to do better, right? Sure there's somebody for (almost) everybody; but that's a fate worse then death right there.
 
2009-11-27 06:17:42 PM  
Atomic Spunk: If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man

No. I meant there are a significant number of people who understand or at least try to understand the psychology behind transsexual people and therefore wouldn't judge if someone else found a relationship with a transsexual they genuinely loved. Is it something most people would actively seek or want for themselves? No. But personally, when I look at transsexuals and think about the challenges they face when it comes to finding happiness and a good romantic relationship- well, it's nice when someone overcomes that and finds the right person for them after all.
 
2009-11-27 06:17:56 PM  
RIP getting wood
 
2009-11-27 06:19:51 PM  
Genevieve Marie: Atomic Spunk: Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.

No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.


Sadly, I think you're being overly generous to the human community.

/and I'm on your side...live and let live
 
2009-11-27 06:20:28 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

I want to be called Loretta...
 
2009-11-27 06:20:59 PM  
Hit it with what, a brick? Eww
 
2009-11-27 06:21:00 PM  
I always wonder, if no one had told you it was a man, would we have automatically guessed that. Kind of like Jerry Springer, where they have the tranny fashion show and ask the audience if its a guy or girl. I can see some male features, but I also see some female ones as well.

/is confused
 
2009-11-27 06:21:17 PM  
Somacandra: Heroic Poser: I feel lucky to have met such a caring, wonderful person.

Good save, dude.

This may be hard to grasp, but for a significant portion of the human community plumbing is secondary to other concerns.


and by significant you mean, statistically insignificant fringe, right?
 
2009-11-27 06:21:36 PM  
srewolf: Sadly, I think you're being overly generous to the human community.

That's probably true. Notice I didn't say majority though. Too many people are still hung up on judging other people's sexual practices and relationships even though it has no effect on anyone but the two people in the relationship.
 
2009-11-27 06:21:37 PM  
www.channel4.com

So she used to be from Iran? What's the big deal?
 
2009-11-27 06:21:40 PM  
Genevieve Marie
You're so hung up on gender that the idea of a condition someone has had from birth that doesn't affect their outward physical appearance at all nor did it probably affect that girl's perception of herself as a woman... that's that big a deal for you?


Well, yeah! For me, it's still an odd thought. I actually had a crush on this girl when I was in elementary school and was kind of thrilled when she invited me to the dance. I'm glad I didn't know about the AIS then because I have no idea how my less-mature mind would have reacted. Besides, I like this girl (still talk to her on occasion) and I'd never want to hurt her feelings or make her feel ostracized. Still, I'm glad I never had sex with her. What can I say other than I'm strongly hetero? Being with another male - even one that looks exactly like a female (on the outside) would at the very least be psychologically confusing.

 
2009-11-27 06:21:44 PM  
Genevieve Marie: Atomic Spunk: If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man

No. I meant there are a significant number of people who understand or at least try to understand the psychology behind transsexual people and therefore wouldn't judge if someone else found a relationship with a transsexual they genuinely loved. Is it something most people would actively seek or want for themselves? No. But personally, when I look at transsexuals and think about the challenges they face when it comes to finding happiness and a good romantic relationship- well, it's nice when someone overcomes that and finds the right person for them after all.


Yes, I agree with you there. If two people are happy with each other, I'm happy for them.
 
2009-11-27 06:22:17 PM  
Gah!
/Gah
 
2009-11-27 06:23:48 PM  
Came here for the IT Crowd reference - leaving happy.

/why is 'illegal' bolded in the article?
 
2009-11-27 06:23:50 PM  
Atomic Spunk: If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man, you are absolutely wrong. Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

If you refute this, you obviously don't understand straight men.


So where does your profound insight into the male gender come from? All the research I've seen indicates that the capacity for arousal in the human male is situational and malleable. Put "straight" men in situations where there are no opportunities for opposite-gender contact - prison, single-sex boarding schools or militaries - and they'll start to sexualize the more feminine men in the group. They don't identify as gay, don't become raging bears, or show attraction to traditionally "masculine" men, but the plumbing suddenly becomes: not an issue. This pattern has been replicated so many times, in so many different countries and institutions, that I'd say it's more than a "significant number" of men who are capable of transcending gender under the right circumstances; it's the overwhelming majority.

Hope it all works out for the happy couple.
 
2009-11-27 06:24:24 PM  
Jebdiahbob: I always wonder, if no one had told you it was a man, would we have automatically guessed that. Kind of like Jerry Springer Maury, where they have the tranny fashion show and ask the audience if its a guy or girl. I can see some male features, but I also see some female ones as well.

/is confused


Ashamed I know this.
 
2009-11-27 06:24:27 PM  
pheed: even one that looks exactly like a female (on the outside) would at the very least be psychologically confusing.

That just tells me that you're very hung up on the social constructs surrounding gender. Someone with AIS even appears female externally naturally, not from surgery. For all intents and purposes, she's a woman and always has been. She just has a birth defect that shouldn't affect the way anyone else looks at her.
 
2009-11-27 06:24:53 PM  
kendelrio: My wife brought up a gppd question. Is he gay because **right now** but will soon be a woman? (Granted a transexual woman, but a woman nonetheless. Is the matter of his sexuality now a matter of timing? Will he still love "Fatine" after the surgery????

/not that I care, but they ARE good questions.....


he said that he is not getting surgery so its going to be like that forever....

/I think he is a confused straight man that never had a nice looking woman respond to his advances before. As soon as he meets another girl this boy will be gone
 
2009-11-27 06:25:32 PM  
Genevieve Marie: No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.

I don't think that a significant portion of the human community cares what they see themselves as. That seems pretty evident from the stigma placed on homosexuality, and transsexuals in particular, doesn't it?

To most people I'd say that a man who became a woman isn't now a woman, but instead they're... a man who became a woman. That's a pretty important distinction, and one that few people (if any) I know would dismiss should they be considering entering a relationship with that person. There's no way in hell I'd consider society to be kind enough to just accept that someone was a woman because they say they are; there's no evidence for it at all.
 
2009-11-27 06:26:12 PM  
Atomic Spunk: Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

Ehh, as long as she was post-op, I wouldn't mind and I'm not sure why anyone would. Mentally she'd be female, physically she'd be female (apart from the lack of a womb and an XX chromosome) so why would you get hung up on it? some form of mis-directed homophobia?
 
2009-11-27 06:26:28 PM  

At first I thought the article would be about some dude meeting Lady Gaga on vacation.


"So Lady Gaga, you're from Iran?"

 
2009-11-27 06:26:34 PM  
Somacandra: This may be hard to grasp, but for a significant portion of the human community plumbing is secondary to other concerns.

Sex is like air. Not a major concern, unless you're not getting any.

/or if it is majorly polluted
 
2009-11-27 06:27:07 PM  
If these people are really female stuck in a mans body, then chances are she/he will let herself go at some point in the relationship, then ian will be married to an overweight aisan man with an small penis.
/Way to go meth eyes ian.
 
2009-11-27 06:28:11 PM  
skinink: At first I thought the article would be about some dude meeting Lady Gaga on vacation.
"So Lady Gaga, you're from Iran?"


You do realize that those Lady Gaga rumors are almost definitely based on the fact that she's weird and makes people uncomfortable, so calling her a tranny is a good way to dismiss her as a person right?
 
2009-11-27 06:28:29 PM  
Genevieve Marie: She just has a birth defect that shouldn't affect the way anyone else looks at her.

That's an interesting viewpoint. I never would've thought of it that way.
 
2009-11-27 06:29:23 PM  
One Arched Brow: Would not hit, even if it were a woman

This
 
2009-11-27 06:29:36 PM  
I just though of this ...

Someday he will wake up next to a 60 old tiny Asian man. Asian woman age ok...the men...umm not so much....
 
2009-11-27 06:30:04 PM  
That's every lady boy's dream.
 
2009-11-27 06:30:16 PM  
Genevieve Marie: skinink: At first I thought the article would be about some dude meeting Lady Gaga on vacation.
"So Lady Gaga, you're from Iran?"

You do realize that those Lady Gaga rumors are almost definitely based on the fact that she's weird and makes people uncomfortable, so calling her a tranny is a good way to dismiss her as a person right?


So why did you pick Genevieve Marie as a Fark login, Lady Gaga and why are you so touchy?
 
2009-11-27 06:31:59 PM  
AtomicPenguin: There's no way in hell I'd consider society to be kind enough to just accept that someone was a woman because they say they are; there's no evidence for it at all.

Actually, brain scans of transexuals reveal more similarities to female brains than male brains. Mentally they are women, there's no polite fiction. You're just hung up on purely physical plumbing.
 
2009-11-27 06:32:01 PM  
Miss.UnderstoodRedhead: Genevieve Marie: She just has a birth defect that shouldn't affect the way anyone else looks at her.

That's an interesting viewpoint. I never would've thought of it that way.


It just seems pretty shiatty to me to be dismissed as a woman your whole life and considered not worthy of dating because of something that happened to you in utero that you had no control over at all. People with AIS or other intersex birth defects are different than transsexuals.

Although both groups should be treated with respect, the first group had no control over the way their gender would be perceived by the outside world from birth. Seems harsh.
 
2009-11-27 06:33:10 PM  
Atomic Spunk: Genevieve Marie: Atomic Spunk: Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.

No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.

If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man, you are absolutely wrong. Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

If you refute this, you obviously don't understand straight men.


Is it tight and wet with a nice set of tits?
 
2009-11-27 06:33:52 PM  
Your Faith is Creepy:
So where does your profound insight into the male gender come from?


From being a straight man that has spent a lot of time hanging out with other straight men.

Your Faith is Creepy:
All the research I've seen indicates that the capacity for arousal in the human male is situational and malleable. Put "straight" men in situations where there are no opportunities for opposite-gender contact - prison, single-sex boarding schools or militaries - and they'll start to sexualize the more feminine men in the group. They don't identify as gay, don't become raging bears, or show attraction to traditionally "masculine" men, but the plumbing suddenly becomes: not an issue. This pattern has been replicated so many times, in so many different countries and institutions, that I'd say it's more than a "significant number" of men who are capable of transcending gender under the right circumstances; it's the overwhelming majority.


You bring up exceptional circumstances where there is a profound absence of females for long periods of time. I am speaking of normal circumstances, where females exist.

And even at that, I have serious doubts that prison, same-sex boarding schools and the military have caused a significant amount of men to engage in homosexual sex, but if you have reliable statistics, I'd be curious to see it.
 
2009-11-27 06:35:23 PM  
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2009-11-27 06:35:46 PM  
Oznog: TFA keeps referring to it as a "same sex partnership". Generally relationships with transsexuals are not seen that way. This guy has no attraction to male characteristics mentioned.

Says who? Technically, the law generally doesn't see it that way. The law sees penis and says it's a man. The law doesn't care if you feel like a woman "on the inside". The people that say "same sex partnership" are the ones dealing with legal/formal issues related to the relationship, and that label would apply in this case as it is about a legal/formal issue.

/I'd hit it
//Big deal, it's a penis. Use the butt if you want to fark something
 
2009-11-27 06:35:58 PM  
This is why I hate asians. They make you question your sexuality. Is that a boyish girl or a girlish boy? Thankfully the Kinsey scale makes it all flexible.

/not real hate
 
2009-11-27 06:36:13 PM  
Genevieve Marie: Miss.UnderstoodRedhead: Genevieve Marie: She just has a birth defect that shouldn't affect the way anyone else looks at her.

That's an interesting viewpoint. I never would've thought of it that way.

It just seems pretty shiatty to me to be dismissed as a woman your whole life and considered not worthy of dating because of something that happened to you in utero that you had no control over at all. People with AIS or other intersex birth defects are different than transsexuals.

Although both groups should be treated with respect, the first group had no control over the way their gender would be perceived by the outside world from birth. Seems harsh.


I agree with you 100%. I just thought that the analogy was apt.
 
2009-11-27 06:36:53 PM  
tshetter:
Is it tight and wet with a nice set of tits?


It depends on how watery his stool is.
 
2009-11-27 06:37:03 PM  
Somacandra: The wedding photo is cute, but not interested. Don't think she should be deported because of a passport photo. Of course, it is the Sun so let's not get caught up in facts and all.

Haven't had to deal with the Home Office bureaucracy, have you?

They can and will.
 
2009-11-27 06:38:29 PM  
Miss.UnderstoodRedhead: I agree with you 100%. I just thought that the analogy was apt.

Middlesex did a really good job telling some of those stories in an interesting way. Pick it up if the subject interests you and you want a good novel.
 
2009-11-27 06:38:50 PM  
RocketRod: "Oh, you don't understand, Osgood! Ehhhh... I'm a man!"

"Well, nobody's perfect."


Well, that's taken care of.

And if dude likes sucking Malaysian cack, more power to him. They're happy. Good for them.
 
2009-11-27 06:39:11 PM  
www.publispain.com

/link is hot like an Asian transsexual
 
2009-11-27 06:39:46 PM  
Jebdiahbob: I always wonder, if no one had told you it was a man, would we have automatically guessed that. Kind of like Jerry Springer, where they have the tranny fashion show and ask the audience if its a guy or girl. I can see some male features, but I also see some female ones as well.

I'm thinking in this case it might have something to do with exposure to asian/pacifica people. One glance at that pic and I'm like "that's a dude".

Gunther: Ehh, as long as she was post-op, I wouldn't mind and I'm not sure why anyone would. Mentally she'd be female, physically she'd be female (apart from the lack of a womb and an XX chromosome) so why would you get hung up on it? some form of mis-directed homophobia?

There's a whole lot more to being a man than having a penis. Or to a woman than having a vag, uterus, etc.

I feel for intersex people, but to pretend that surgery is all that is needed is silly and doesn't help anyone.
 
2009-11-27 06:40:37 PM  
Not with Ann Coulter's 12-incher
 
2009-11-27 06:41:28 PM  
I'm happy for them both. When you find the right person, you just know. Hope they have a long and happy life together.
 
2009-11-27 06:42:07 PM  
Gunther: Atomic Spunk: Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

Ehh, as long as she was post-op, I wouldn't mind and I'm not sure why anyone would. Mentally she'd be female, physically she'd be female (apart from the lack of a womb and an XX chromosome) so why would you get hung up on it? some form of mis-directed homophobia?


Misdirected homophobia? Not in the least.

Go ahead and ask your straight male friends, "Would you fark a woman who was born male?" I'm quite sure you'll see that I'm correct on this.

A person can cut if off and make a hole, insert some plastic bags in your chest, but if they were born a male, they are still mostly male. And straight men, by definition, don't want to fark other men.
 
2009-11-27 06:42:36 PM  
OnmyojiOmn

img689.imageshack.us

americansfortruth.com
www.realitywanted.net
 
2009-11-27 06:45:04 PM  
Your Faith is Creepy: Put "straight" men in situations where there are no opportunities for opposite-gender contact - prison, single-sex boarding schools or militaries - and they'll start to sexualize the more feminine men in the group. They don't identify as gay, don't become raging bears, or show attraction to traditionally "masculine" men, but the plumbing suddenly becomes: not an issue. This pattern has been replicated so many times, in so many different countries and institutions, that I'd say it's more than a "significant number" of men who are capable of transcending gender under the right circumstances; it's the overwhelming majority.

[Citation needed]

/IOW - bullshiat
 
2009-11-27 06:45:21 PM  
No, subby, no. I wouldn't hit it, even if she was a woman. Not hot by the remotest minimum of standards.
 
2009-11-27 06:47:02 PM  
Atomic Spunk: Go ahead and ask your straight male friends, "Would you fark a woman who was born male?" I'm quite sure you'll see that I'm correct on this.

There's a good number who'd do it.
 
2009-11-27 06:47:33 PM  
pheed: Well, yeah! For me, it's still an odd thought. I actually had a crush on this girl when I was in elementary school and was kind of thrilled when she invited me to the dance. I'm glad I didn't know about the AIS then because I have no idea how my less-mature mind would have reacted. Besides, I like this girl (still talk to her on occasion) and I'd never want to hurt her feelings or make her feel ostracized. Still, I'm glad I never had sex with her. What can I say other than I'm strongly hetero? Being with another male - even one that looks exactly like a female (on the outside) would at the very least be psychologically confusing.

There are women that go quite a way into their lives before they figure out that they have AIS. If she's got mostly complete AIS, that means she's got a vag, and boobs, and none of them got there as a result of surgery.

If she was cute enough, I'd probably hit it.
 
2009-11-27 06:47:38 PM  
Gunther:
Actually, brain scans of transexuals reveal more similarities to female brains than male brains. Mentally they are women, there's no polite fiction.


Just a technical quibble - the link you gave discussed "post-mortem brain studies". That usually means they sliced it up and imaged the slices. A "brain scan" has come to mean MRI or CAT on a living person.
 
2009-11-27 06:47:56 PM  
Bacontastesgood: I feel for intersex people, but to pretend that surgery is all that is needed is silly and doesn't help anyone.

so what would you say is needed?
 
2009-11-27 06:48:55 PM  
I now pronounce you, the pitcher and you, the catcher.
 
2009-11-27 06:49:31 PM  
Gunther: Actually, brain scans of transexuals reveal more similarities to female brains than male brains. Mentally they are women, there's no polite fiction. You're just hung up on purely physical plumbing.

This has nothing at all to do with what I think is acceptable, so let's be realistic with each other for a second and forget the PC-bullshiat about how everyone is special and should be respected for their differences. We both know the real world doesn't work like that, or we wouldn't even be talking about this.

Gay people can't even firmly establish in our culture that it's not a curable disease. I'm not going to discuss that I might be hung up on "purely physical plumbing" because, well, of farking course I am; just like practically everyone else out there. If it has a penis, it's a man. That might just be my 8th grade health class talking, where penis=male, but I'm thinking it might be a little more ingrained into people than that.

What I was pointing out was that it's ridiculous to think that most people in our society don't share that line of thinking, because if you say they're not you either don't understand people or are lying. We come from a society where even as being gay becomes more openly accepted it's still a social stigma to be perceived that way even if you're not actually gay...I think it's fairly silly to suggest that most people are ok with transsexuals based on the notion that everyone should just accept them for the sex they wish they were.

People aren't like that.
 
2009-11-27 06:49:51 PM  
I do anything for love
www.smh.com.au
But I won't hit that
 
2009-11-27 06:49:57 PM  
Looking at the dude, I think he did as well as he could.
 
2009-11-27 06:50:35 PM  
WhyteRaven74: Atomic Spunk: Go ahead and ask your straight male friends, "Would you fark a woman who was born male?" I'm quite sure you'll see that I'm correct on this.

There's a good number who'd do it.


If that's what your supposedly "straight" male friends said, they probably aren't all that straight. As Bacontastesgood said above, "There's a whole lot more to being a man than having a penis. Or to a woman than having a vag, uterus, etc."
 
2009-11-27 06:50:50 PM  
Your Faith is Creepy: So where does your profound insight into the male gender come from? All the research I've seen indicates that the capacity for arousal in the human male is situational and malleable. Put "straight" men in situations where there are no opportunities for opposite-gender contact - prison, single-sex boarding schools or militaries - and they'll start to sexualize the more feminine men in the group. They don't identify as gay, don't become raging bears, or show attraction to traditionally "masculine" men, but the plumbing suddenly becomes: not an issue. This pattern has been replicated so many times, in so many different countries and institutions, that I'd say it's more than a "significant number" of men who are capable of transcending gender under the right circumstances; it's the overwhelming majority.

Very apt user name.
 
2009-11-27 06:51:00 PM  
Genevieve Marie: Miss.UnderstoodRedhead: I agree with you 100%. I just thought that the analogy was apt.

Middlesex did a really good job telling some of those stories in an interesting way. Pick it up if the subject interests you and you want a good novel.


Thanks for the suggestion!
 
2009-11-27 06:52:25 PM  
Scifientologist: if the DNA is male, you're not on the menu

you sound lesbian
 
2009-11-27 06:52:54 PM  
Bacontastesgood: A "brain scan" has come to mean MRI or CAT on a living person.

They've done scans on living people on this particular issue. Study came out just a couple months ago.
 
2009-11-27 06:53:27 PM  
Nick Nostril: I think he did as well as he could

and better than you ever will
 
2009-11-27 06:53:41 PM  
Atomic Spunk: You bring up exceptional circumstances where there is a profound absence of females for long periods of time. I am speaking of normal circumstances, where females exist.

And even at that, I have serious doubts that prison, same-sex boarding schools and the military have caused a significant amount of men to engage in homosexual sex, but if you have reliable statistics, I'd be curious to see it.


It's true that I'm speaking of exceptional circumstances, but only to illustrate that the male capacity for sexual arousal is flexible and adaptable, not hard-wired. Reliable statistics on consensual sex in enforced same-gender environments are hard to come by (NPI) for several reasons: first, there is an emphasis on tracking and preventing non-consensual sex, because it is violent criminal behavior. Second, wardens and others who administer such institutions* are often reluctant to admit the levels of consensual sex that occurs, because such acts violate prison regulations and are (officially) seen as undermining of authority, morals and morale (although I wonder whether it's staff or inmates whose morale would be most affected). Finally, because of the stigma associated with same-gender sex, former inmates are often unwilling to confess or discuss their past behavior, once back in a society where they can engage in more socially acceptable sexual relationships.

I'll see if I can come up with any incidence statistics.

* While googling this topic, I came across an interesting article indicating that white male prison wardens are less likely as a group to accurately report on consensual sex in their institutions than are female or non-white wardens. Whether this effect is real, and if so why, is unclear.
 
2009-11-27 06:54:35 PM  
Yeah, but.....PENIS!
 
2009-11-27 06:55:19 PM  
Atomic Spunk: If that's what your supposedly "straight" male friends said, they probably aren't all that straight

Sure they are. Their arousal would be due to physical characteristics. What someone was at some point in the past doesn't factor into the issue of sexuality in the present.
 
2009-11-27 06:56:42 PM  
WhyteRaven74: so what would you say is needed?

Oh please. I was responding to someone who was being thick. You know this topic better than I do, and you know that even the surgeons who perform gender reassignments don't say that surgery is all that is necessary.
 
2009-11-27 06:57:07 PM  
Genevieve Marie
2009-11-27 06:24:27 PM


That just tells me that you're very hung up on the social constructs surrounding gender.

You can call it hung up, I'll call it being hetero.
 
2009-11-27 06:58:02 PM  
AtomicPenguin: If it has a penis, it's a man

so removing that makes them a woman right ?
cuz as you say - it really is just that simple
 
2009-11-27 06:58:21 PM  
WhyteRaven74: They've done scans on living people on this particular issue. Study came out just a couple months ago.

That is great, and that isn't what I was arguing. I was simply pointing out that something different than was specified was at that link, OK?
 
2009-11-27 06:59:18 PM  
pheed: You can call it hung up

take it for what you can pheed
this is the ONLY time anyone is going to use the word "hung" and mean it whilst talking to you
 
2009-11-27 07:00:08 PM  
WhyteRaven74: Atomic Spunk: Go ahead and ask your straight male friends, "Would you fark a woman who was born male?" I'm quite sure you'll see that I'm correct on this.

There's a good number who'd do it.


I believe it. Make a subset group of single men who've been on month long dry spell and have a night of hard drinking at the club, making out with a beautiful chick on the dance floor; catch a cab, bring her back to their place, start making out on the couch, reach down and find a penis....

I bet at least half would say "meh, fark it"
 
2009-11-27 07:00:17 PM  
RocketRod: "Oh, you don't understand, Osgood! Ehhhh... I'm a man!"

"Well, nobody's perfect."


Came for that reference, not disappointed.
 
2009-11-27 07:00:46 PM  
(for those who are interested and/or asking for cites, there are a number of studies and interesting articles linked from this wiki page on Prison Sexuality^. SFW, unless you work in a place that can't abide the suggestion that people have sex no matter where or with whom they are.)
 
2009-11-27 07:02:38 PM  
Slartibartfaster: AtomicPenguin: If it has a penis, it's a man

so removing that makes them a woman right ?
cuz as you say - it really is just that simple


Well, it does to the person having it done. Why would they do it otherwise?

My point was that just because they did that, however, it doesn't change how everyone else perceives them. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, maybe it's even wrong, but that's not for me to say... I just think it's a bit thick headed to argue that's not how it is.
 
2009-11-27 07:02:48 PM  
John Buck 41: No, subby, no. I wouldn't hit it, even if she was a woman. Not hot by the remotest minimum of standards

You hate technology and post on fark
We know dude - let it out, we are here for you.
not that there is anything ya know.... wrong with that.
 
2009-11-27 07:05:09 PM  
Asian chicks creep me out! The ALL look like they have the face of a 6 year old boy.
 
2009-11-27 07:06:17 PM  
AtomicPenguin: My point was that just because they did that

change of point ?

"if it has a penis it's a man"
ok what if they cut it off ?
"it doesn't change how everyone else perceives them"

human sexuality is more complex than you think

let them - they are not offering themselves to others, so judging their farkworthiness is futile

AtomicPenguin: Maybe it shouldn't be that way, maybe it's even wrong, but that's not for me to say

if it should not be that way, and it is wrong, ... and you say nothing... that shows your character doesnt it ?

AtomicPenguin: bit thick headed to argue that's not how it is

You are right - that IS how it is.... because of people like you
 
2009-11-27 07:06:27 PM  
I wonder if they hang out together
 
2009-11-27 07:07:01 PM  
HONDOWAYNE: ALL look like they have the face of a 6 year old boy

flashbacks padre ?
 
2009-11-27 07:07:08 PM  
WhyteRaven74: What someone was at some point in the past doesn't factor into the issue of sexuality in the present.

While it might not factor into what they feel is their sexuality or sexual identity, it would certainly factor into their sexual attractiveness to most straight males.

But if your "straight" friends wouldn't have a problem farking a post-op woman, who am I to disagree? To be quite honest, I don't really even know what my straight male friends would say, as this is something I don't ever recall discussing with them. However, just the thought of me farking a post-op brings up such strong feelings of "do not want", that I'm probably projecting this attitude onto my male friends. The next time I'm hanging out with my friends, I'll bring it up. I'm sure that conversation will be hilarious!
 
2009-11-27 07:08:38 PM  
Rodent of unusual size: I wonder if they hang out together

hehehehe

Im trying not to picture that damnit !!!!

classic pun though
 
2009-11-27 07:08:43 PM  
HONDOWAYNE: Asian chicks creep me out! The ALL look like they have the face of a 6 year old boy.

See this is why I go for asians.... it keeps me out of prison
 
2009-11-27 07:11:11 PM  
Atomic Spunk: However, just the thought of me farking a post-op brings up such strong feelings of "do not want

never had a penis

api.ning.com
 
2009-11-27 07:11:24 PM  
Genevieve Marie: skinink: At first I thought the article would be about some dude meeting Lady Gaga on vacation.
"So Lady Gaga, you're from Iran?"

You do realize that those Lady Gaga rumors are almost definitely based on the fact that she's weird and makes people uncomfortable, so calling her a tranny is a good way to dismiss her as a person right?


Her shiatty music is enough reason to dismiss her as a person.
 
2009-11-27 07:11:32 PM  
Your Faith is Creepy: this wiki page on Prison Sexuality

Prison sex is not so much about 'sex', but rather control/intimidation/ownership.

/jmho, of course
 
2009-11-27 07:13:17 PM  
I got sucked off by a chickboy at a beach party in Thailand whilst spanked on ketamine. It was really rather splendid.
/Not exactly a story for the grandchildren.
 
2009-11-27 07:14:05 PM  
Half the human population was born with compatible accoutrements. You don't have to settle for improvised retrofixing...
 
2009-11-27 07:14:47 PM  
Good for them.

If she's feminine in every way except the peener, just look at it as a rather large clit.

/you'll always know when she's aroused.
/you'll always know if she's faking it.
/no PMS and "that time of month".
/she will probably have a better idea of what a man likes than a biological woman.

Hmmmm....maybe it's time for me to book a trip to Kuala Lumpur.
 
2009-11-27 07:14:48 PM  
HONDOWAYNE: Asian chicks creep me out! The ALL look like they have the face of a 6 year old boy.

A good friend from high school is under 5 feet, has a child-like face, acts somewhat juvenile because of years of parental repression, and has a vag. We like to joke that someday she'll be a pedophile's perfect bride. Its hard not to feel a bit protective.

But yes, in general, I have problems going out of my way for Asian girls, their faces never seem to mature in structure. That and a whole host of other issues.
 
2009-11-27 07:15:42 PM  
Slartibartfaster: Atomic Spunk: However, just the thought of me farking a post-op brings up such strong feelings of "do not want

never had a penis


She's hideous, but I'd fark her before I'd even consider farking a post-op woman. However my right hand, my left hand, a ripe tomato, a fleshlight, and a wet pillow would be higher on the list than either.
 
2009-11-27 07:16:26 PM  
I'm sick of the phrase "she's actually a he". It was funny the first time, now it's just inaccurate. If she wants to be referred as a she, why be an asshole about it?
 
2009-11-27 07:18:00 PM  
Atomic Spunk: my left hand, a ripe tomato, a fleshlight, and a wet pillow would be higher on the list than either

hehehe

man I gotta google more about that wet pillow thing
wut !!! hehehe

no I dont need to know, but :) you have more fun that I do when Im alone it seems

/pats his vaguely damp cactus
 
2009-11-27 07:18:33 PM  
It seems a lot of men around here measure their "straightness" by the chromosomes of their partners rather than the way they feel about themselves. It makes me wonder.
 
2009-11-27 07:19:04 PM  
one morning he wakes up with it looking in his eyes, sweetly whispering,"come on baby, take it like a man '
 
2009-11-27 07:19:16 PM  
www.sfgate.com
 
2009-11-27 07:19:45 PM  
punto: I'm sick of the phrase "she's actually a he". It was funny the first time, now it's just inaccurate. If she wants to be referred as a she, why be an asshole about it?

If someone is saying it to put someone down, then that's being an asshole.

If someone is saying it to warn a friend who's about to leave the club with "her", then that's called "being a good friend".
 
2009-11-27 07:21:44 PM  
No, I wouldn't hit it. I am only sexually attracted to female humans. Male genitalia are a complete turn off to me. Not interested in anyone's anus either, no matter how "remarkable" you might say it is. Yuck.
 
2009-11-27 07:23:44 PM  
I thought the article said that he was never going to get the surgery... so that means up the pooper for life. Not like it matters, really. Most men only really want anal. Never could understand that... makes me think that all men who are into anal are simply closet homosexuals.

You're into anal? Time to fess up and admit you're into men.
 
2009-11-27 07:25:00 PM  
Would not hit. But if those two are fine with each other that way, then I've got no beef with them (although they're got plenty between the two of them).
 
2009-11-27 07:25:37 PM  
I'd hit it. With a Mens Room sign.
 
2009-11-27 07:25:49 PM  
Slartibartfaster

this is the ONLY time anyone is going to use the word "hung" and mean it whilst talking to you

Ooh, burn! You are immature.
 
2009-11-27 07:26:11 PM  
"I can't contemplate the idea of us not being together. I look at her and see a beautiful woman."


...with a penis.
 
2009-11-27 07:26:52 PM  
Who cares? I'm a firm believer that you should marry whomever or whatever you want. Now if you'll excuse me the misses and I are off to the vet.
 
2009-11-27 07:27:03 PM  
tortilla burger: Would not hit. But if those two are fine with each other that way, then I've got no beef with them (although they're got plenty between the two of them).

Between this comment and your username, there is some win-filling in there.
 
2009-11-27 07:27:41 PM  
I once knew someone from South Dakota who swore on his life he was a 100% white family of 100% German decent. It was fate I guess that made him a guy from Sioux Falls who looked like an Native American physically to the point of stereotype. But he says he's German, so that makes him German, right?

Oh, and his last name was, and I'm not making this up... Tobacco.

My same thought process on the tranny issue. A man can truly be a woman as much as I, 5 foot 2 inch tall white guy, could be LeBron James.
 
2009-11-27 07:28:32 PM  
Look up Buck Angel, and then look up linetrap. I'll wait.

...

...

...

Found 'em?

Here's a question. Given that the answer 'neither' isn't an option, which, assuming you had to, would you bone tonight?

/Use a #2 pencil only
 
2009-11-27 07:30:06 PM  
Bacontastesgood: You know this topic better than I do, and you know that even the surgeons who perform gender reassignments don't say that surgery is all that is necessary.

Well yeah, just to get to the surgeon takes letters from two psychologists saying you're stable and have completed a certain amount of time living full time as a woman etc.

I was simply pointing out that something different than was specified was at that link, OK?

and I was merely pointing out that there's been new research done on living people.
 
2009-11-27 07:30:39 PM  
jimbobsbaitshop: I once knew someone from South Dakota who swore on his life he was a 100% white family of 100% German decent. It was fate I guess that made him a guy from Sioux Falls who looked like an Native American physically to the point of stereotype. But he says he's German, so that makes him German, right?

Oh, and his last name was, and I'm not making this up... Tobacco.

My same thought process on the tranny issue. A man can truly be a woman as much as I, 5 foot 2 inch tall white guy, could be LeBron James.


Heh. I know a chick here whose name is "タバコ" "Tobacco". She takes no end of shiat for it.

//Doesn't help that a cigarette butt floating in a toilet is more attractive than she.
 
2009-11-27 07:31:07 PM  
I've never been in the pooper, and I truly have no interest. My wife literally poos from there, and that would be all I could think about.

That being said, he/she looks very convincing as a women.

Lola would be proud.
 
2009-11-27 07:32:55 PM  
Genevieve Marie
Miss.UnderstoodRedhead: Genevieve Marie: She just has a birth defect that shouldn't affect the way anyone else looks at her.

That's an interesting viewpoint. I never would've thought of it that way.

It just seems pretty shiatty to me to be dismissed as a woman your whole life and considered not worthy of dating because of something that happened to you in utero that you had no control over at all.


I have never "dismissed (my friend) as a woman." By the way, she found out about the AIS late in her teenage years I believe. After I found out about the AIS, it's not that I didn't consider her worthy of dating. It's simply that having a relationship with her would be psychologically troubling to me, as a heterosexual male. It would cause an uncomfortable level of psychological dissonance. Believe me, she's plenty worthy -- but she deserves to be with someone who wouldn't have that level of stress about it.
 
2009-11-27 07:33:31 PM  
TimeWaste: I've never been in the pooper, and I truly have no interest. My wife literally poos from there, and that would be all I could think about.

That being said, he/she looks very convincing as a women.

Lola would be proud.


Well, she pees from (well, pretty close) her vagina; I'm guessing that hasn't stopped you for long.

//Also, must reference bad pornography: "but i poop from there..."
 
2009-11-27 07:33:44 PM  
TimeWaste: I've never been in the pooper, and I truly have no interest. My wife literally poos from there, and that would be all I could think about.

That being said, he/she looks very convincing as a women.

Lola would be proud.


Weird. She always really loves it when I diddle her up the wrong un'.
 
2009-11-27 07:34:04 PM  
pheed: Ooh, burn! You are immature

lighten up francis that was a joke
at least make your retort funny so another keyboard can potentially be lost

(sorry if I cut it a little too close to home for you, I didnt know dude, she never mentioned it)
 
2009-11-27 07:34:58 PM  
jimbobsbaitshop: My same thought process on the tranny issue. A man can truly be a woman as much as I, 5 foot 2 inch tall white guy, could be LeBron James.

If any neurobiologist, psychologist, psychiatrist and a few others read your post, they won't be replaying. They're going out to get plastered to erase the stupid they've just been exposed to.
 
2009-11-27 07:35:39 PM  
Iron Chef Scottish: TimeWaste: I've never been in the pooper, and I truly have no interest. My wife literally poos from there, and that would be all I could think about.

That being said, he/she looks very convincing as a women.

Lola would be proud.

Weird. She always really loves it when I diddle her up the wrong un'.


//Jealousy
 
2009-11-27 07:38:08 PM  
RocketRod: "Oh, you don't understand, Osgood! Ehhhh... I'm a man!"

"Well, nobody's perfect."


Came in here for this reference. Leaving satisfied.

/some like it in the pot can...
 
2009-11-27 07:40:23 PM  
WhyteRaven74: jimbobsbaitshop: My same thought process on the tranny issue. A man can truly be a woman as much as I, 5 foot 2 inch tall white guy, could be LeBron James.

If any neurobiologist, psychologist, psychiatrist and a few others read your post, they won't be replaying. They're going out to get plastered to erase the stupid they've just been exposed to.


It's kinda complicated.

You have to distinguish between chromasomal sex, physical sex, psychological sex and practical sex.

Me? I prefer to fark it, then rationalise later.

//Try it, it works
//Apparently, people find it disturbing when, unable to tell the sex of their newborn crotchfruit, I say: "Well, I'm not planning to have sex with it yet, so what does it matter?"
 
2009-11-27 07:41:29 PM  
Iron Chef Scottish: I got sucked off by a chickboy at a beach party in Thailand whilst spanked on ketamine. It was really rather splendid.

the hell
 
2009-11-27 07:41:56 PM  
nucular bum: RocketRod: "Oh, you don't understand, Osgood! Ehhhh... I'm a man!"

"Well, nobody's perfect."

Came in here for this reference. Leaving satisfied.

/some like it in the pot can...


What the hell is with all these great username-comment combos?
 
2009-11-27 07:43:10 PM  
PRE-OPnwed!
 
2009-11-27 07:43:14 PM  
Sir Charles: Iron Chef Scottish: I got sucked off by a chickboy at a beach party in Thailand whilst spanked on ketamine. It was really rather splendid.

the hell


Truly. I believe "ladyboy" is the preferred nomenclature.
 
2009-11-27 07:43:15 PM  
I'm normally one to defend those with GID or AIS, but... this person is happy with their body and doesn't want to surgically alter it. That's not GID, that's a highly feminized homosexual man.

/Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
2009-11-27 07:44:01 PM  
Or maybe pre-opnWED?

/I thought it was funny...
 
2009-11-27 07:45:00 PM  
Sir Charles: Iron Chef Scottish: I got sucked off by a chickboy at a beach party in Thailand whilst spanked on ketamine. It was really rather splendid.

the hell


He had a pretty mouth and I was out of my mind on magic monkey juice. These things happen. And to be honest it has set the benchmark for all gobble jobs ever since. Men know.
 
2009-11-27 07:45:47 PM  
JWideman: I'm normally one to defend those with GID or AIS, but... this person is happy with their body and doesn't want to surgically alter it. That's not GID, that's a highly feminized homosexual man.

/Not that there's anything wrong with that.


I kinda thought of it that way too. If I were in that person's body (hear me out), I might be just as opposed to someone cutting my bits off. Even if said bits didn't represent me.

//Butch lesbian trapped in a man's body
 
2009-11-27 07:46:02 PM  
Ominae: Look up Buck Angel, and then look up linetrap. I'll wait.

...

...

...

Found 'em?

Here's a question. Given that the answer 'neither' isn't an option, which, assuming you had to, would you bone tonight?

/Use a #2 pencil only




Wow............wow.

I just went down a GIS road that I had never traveled before.
 
2009-11-27 07:46:51 PM  
Good for her. I've known more than one relationship like this to fall apart when one of the two folks in the couple isn't forthcoming with information like this (i.e. that they used to be a different gender.) One of the ugliest, nastiest breakups that I have ever witnessed to this date occurred between two friends of mine, one of whom was born female and the other who was FtM. The latter person did not inform the former person of this until they had been together for months. Though this was not the relationship deal-breaker, it still drove home the fact that he had not been entirely honest, and it cast a pall over the relationship until the end.

/Honesty, still the best policy.
//Cool story, bro.
 
2009-11-27 07:47:14 PM  
coco ebert: Hell, if they're happy, more power to them.

This.
 
2009-11-27 07:47:26 PM  
Iron Chef Scottish: Sir Charles: Iron Chef Scottish: I got sucked off by a chickboy at a beach party in Thailand whilst spanked on ketamine. It was really rather splendid.

the hell

He had a pretty mouth and I was out of my mind on magic monkey juice. These things happen. And to be honest it has set the benchmark for all gobble jobs ever since. Men know.


//Off to find "magic monkey juice" and open-minded ...
//Also, +1 for "gobble job"; that one's new to me
 
2009-11-27 07:48:19 PM  
Iron Chef Scottish: TimeWaste: I've never been in the pooper, and I truly have no interest. My wife literally poos from there, and that would be all I could think about.

That being said, he/she looks very convincing as a women.

Lola would be proud.

Weird. She always really loves it when I diddle her up the wrong un'.


Well done. I cannot believe I didn't see this coming.
 
2009-11-27 07:48:24 PM  
kendelrio: Is he gay because **right now** but will soon be a woman?

No. Being gay or not is a permanent status. You're gay if you are attracted to men and not generally to women. Given that TFA mentions an eight year relationship with a woman, this doesn't seem to be the case. He's attracted to someone who gives the external appearance of being a woman as long as her clothes are on.

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: I think he is a confused straight man that never had a nice looking woman respond to his advances before.

Again, TFA mentions previous LTR.
 
2009-11-27 07:49:07 PM  
numb3r5ev3n: Good for her. I've known more than one relationship like this to fall apart when one of the two folks in the couple isn't forthcoming with information like this (i.e. that they used to be a different gender.) One of the ugliest, nastiest breakups that I have ever witnessed to this date occurred between two friends of mine, one of whom was born female and the other who was FtM. The latter person did not inform the former person of this until they had been together for months. Though this was not the relationship deal-breaker, it still drove home the fact that he had not been entirely honest, and it cast a pall over the relationship until the end.

/Honesty, still the best policy.
//Cool story, bro.


Messed up, but how many first dates would last beyond the first few minutes with that conversation?
 
2009-11-27 07:49:10 PM  
Ominae: Look up Buck Angel, and then look up linetrap. I'll wait.

...

...

...

Found 'em?

Here's a question. Given that the answer 'neither' isn't an option, which, assuming you had to, would you bone tonight?

/Use a #2 pencil only


both? either :) not picky
 
2009-11-27 07:50:55 PM  
WhyteRaven74 2009-11-27 06:47:02 PM

There's a good number who'd do it.


[Citation Needed]

id hotlink the ponch 'you're an idiot' picture, but im too lazy.

/dont care if you like the cock, but dont lump us 100% straight men into it
 
2009-11-27 07:51:45 PM  
pheed: Genevieve Marie
2009-11-27 06:24:27 PM

That just tells me that you're very hung up on the social constructs surrounding gender.

You can call it hung up, I'll call it being hetero.


I say you're in the closet po-ta-toe, po-ta-ta.
/Never met a gay man that wanted to be with anyone who didn't look, and act male.
 
2009-11-27 07:53:30 PM  
RocketRod: "Oh, you don't understand, Osgood! Ehhhh... I'm a man!"

"Well, nobody's perfect."


This is what I came in here for. All is right with the universe.
 
2009-11-27 07:53:53 PM  
tinyarena Quote 2009-11-27 06:13:15 PM
[asian kid pic]

god damn, dude. You need to have your hard drive searched.
 
2009-11-27 07:55:09 PM  
TotalFark: You'd hit it.

i286.photobucket.com

It's a tired meme, but smitty. You're a fruit.
 
2009-11-27 07:55:14 PM  
WhyteRaven74: jimbobsbaitshop: My same thought process on the tranny issue. A man can truly be a woman as much as I, 5 foot 2 inch tall white guy, could be LeBron James.

If any neurobiologist, psychologist, psychiatrist and a few others read your post, they won't be replaying. They're going out to get plastered to erase the stupid they've just been exposed to.


Beer went through my nose cause of you :)
/Through my nose
 
2009-11-27 07:55:33 PM  
Ominae: Look up Buck Angel, and then look up linetrap. I'll wait.


A filter consisting of a series inductance shunted by a tuning capacitor, inserted in series with the power?

Now I'm REALLY confused.
 
2009-11-27 07:56:28 PM  
aagrajag: numb3r5ev3n: Good for her. I've known more than one relationship like this to fall apart when one of the two folks in the couple isn't forthcoming with information like this (i.e. that they used to be a different gender.) One of the ugliest, nastiest breakups that I have ever witnessed to this date occurred between two friends of mine, one of whom was born female and the other who was FtM. The latter person did not inform the former person of this until they had been together for months. Though this was not the relationship deal-breaker, it still drove home the fact that he had not been entirely honest, and it cast a pall over the relationship until the end.

/Honesty, still the best policy.
//Cool story, bro.

Messed up, but how many first dates would last beyond the first few minutes with that conversation?


True. But there were a lot of other factors involved that led to the eventual breakup. Still, such an admission is likely to be awkward any way it's approached. But in my experience (and I grew up in my local gay community, so I've seen it more than once) these things tend to end badly if people aren't honest about it sooner than later.
 
2009-11-27 07:57:24 PM  
tinfoil-hat maggie: pheed: Genevieve Marie
2009-11-27 06:24:27 PM

That just tells me that you're very hung up on the social constructs surrounding gender.

You can call it hung up, I'll call it being hetero.

I say you're in the closet po-ta-toe, po-ta-ta.
/Never met a gay man that wanted to be with anyone who didn't look, and act male.


It's this that makes the whole "gender identity" thing that much more interesting.

If I were a chick with the same mind as I have now, I'd just want vagina. I don't think I'd find it pleasant or necessary to don dresses.

//'cept the underwear which, as we discussed, is a comfort thing
 
2009-11-27 07:57:32 PM  
WTF Subby... NO! Only a perve would hit that.

No Vagina? PASS!
 
2009-11-27 07:57:40 PM  
Only RTFA, not the thread, so it's probably been said, but as someone who just met someone I'm quite fond of (who happens to have been born female), I say good for them, as long as they're happy.
 
2009-11-27 08:00:22 PM  
numb3r5ev3n: aagrajag: numb3r5ev3n: Good for her. I've known more than one relationship like this to fall apart when one of the two folks in the couple isn't forthcoming with information like this (i.e. that they used to be a different gender.) One of the ugliest, nastiest breakups that I have ever witnessed to this date occurred between two friends of mine, one of whom was born female and the other who was FtM. The latter person did not inform the former person of this until they had been together for months. Though this was not the relationship deal-breaker, it still drove home the fact that he had not been entirely honest, and it cast a pall over the relationship until the end.

/Honesty, still the best policy.
//Cool story, bro.

Messed up, but how many first dates would last beyond the first few minutes with that conversation?

True. But there were a lot of other factors involved that led to the eventual breakup. Still, such an admission is likely to be awkward any way it's approached. But in my experience (and I grew up in my local gay community, so I've seen it more than once) these things tend to end badly if people aren't honest about it sooner than later.


I agree; probably better to be forthright about it from the beginning.

Being straight, I can gradually induct my lovers into my particular kinks. ;)
 
2009-11-27 08:00:44 PM  
Come on, all she has to do is apply for political asylum. It's England.
 
2009-11-27 08:01:12 PM  
I'm The Foot Farking Master: WTF Subby... NO! Only a perve would hit that.

No Vagina? PASS!


You're not thinking outside the box...
 
2009-11-27 08:01:41 PM  
Sorry Slartibartfaster... I'm just trying to be honest and grown up about what I find to be an interesting topic, especially in light of my friend's birth defect. At the same time, I'm trying to express a heterosexual point of view, without coming across as a jerk or immature. I find opinions like the one held by Genevieve Marie to be dismissive and condescending. The idea that I'm "hung up" on gender because I don't want to stick my penis in another (genetic) male is offensive. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only straight man who feels this way. It doesn't make me a homophobe -- it's just not for me. The fact that someone like Genevieve would judge me so harshly for being straight -- it's offensive and I see it as political correctness run amok.

I will admit I used to be very judgmental of transexuals until I learned of my friend's AIS. It's eye-opening and it definitely helped me understand just how flexible gender can be. However, I don't have AIS and I'm a hetero male. My definition of hetero is "has sex with partners of the opposite sex." Technically, my friend isn't female even though she appears to be one. Intellectually, it's enough to trouble me if we were ever to get intimate.
 
2009-11-27 08:02:20 PM  
Rodent of unusual size: I wonder if they hang out together

lol
 
2009-11-27 08:02:20 PM  
attention span of a retarded fruit fly: I just though of this ...

Someday he will wake up next to a 60 old tiny Asian man. Asian woman age ok...the men...umm not so much....


Disagree...been stationed in Korea and women hit the "brick wall" at age 35. They go with the short, cury permed hair and its downhill from there...
 
2009-11-27 08:04:20 PM  
pheed: Sorry Slartibartfaster... I'm just trying to be honest and grown up about what I find to be an interesting topic, especially in light of my friend's birth defect. At the same time, I'm trying to express a heterosexual point of view, without coming across as a jerk or immature. I find opinions like the one held by Genevieve Marie to be dismissive and condescending. The idea that I'm "hung up" on gender because I don't want to stick my penis in another (genetic) male is offensive. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only straight man who feels this way. It doesn't make me a homophobe -- it's just not for me. The fact that someone like Genevieve would judge me so harshly for being straight -- it's offensive and I see it as political correctness run amok.

I will admit I used to be very judgmental of transexuals until I learned of my friend's AIS. It's eye-opening and it definitely helped me understand just how flexible gender can be. However, I don't have AIS and I'm a hetero male. My definition of hetero is "has sex with partners of the opposite sex." Technically, my friend isn't female even though she appears to be one. Intellectually, it's enough to trouble me if we were ever to get intimate.


Is this somewhat emotionally akin to having an attractive sister, yet not registering her as "female" in any sexual sense?
 
2009-11-27 08:05:10 PM  
Atomic Spunk: Genevieve Marie: Atomic Spunk: Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.

No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.

If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man, you are absolutely wrong. Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

If you refute this, you obviously don't understand straight men.


As a Transsexual I can tell you I understand straight men better than you, and I get hit on by hell of allot of straight men.
 
2009-11-27 08:06:38 PM  
Chowder_17: attention span of a retarded fruit fly: I just though of this ...

Someday he will wake up next to a 60 old tiny Asian man. Asian woman age ok...the men...umm not so much....

Disagree...been stationed in Korea and women hit the "brick wall" at age 35. They go with the short, cury permed hair and its downhill from there...


Agree. It's not just Koreans though, it's Asians in general. I'm in Japan, and I know some chicks who were hot ten minutes ago.
 
2009-11-27 08:07:37 PM  
pheed: I find opinions like the one held by Genevieve Marie to be dismissive and condescending.

You must be new here.
 
2009-11-27 08:08:43 PM  
I'm not a homophobe. Gays don't scare me. I'm a bigot.
 
2009-11-27 08:09:18 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: Atomic Spunk: Genevieve Marie: Atomic Spunk: Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.

No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.

If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man, you are absolutely wrong. Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

If you refute this, you obviously don't understand straight men.

As a Transsexual I can tell you I understand straight men better than you, and I get hit on by hell of allot of straight men.


How you doin?
 
2009-11-27 08:09:21 PM  
aagrajag: I'm The Foot Farking Master: WTF Subby... NO! Only a perve would hit that.

No Vagina? PASS!

You're not thinking outside the box...


While you're thinking outside the box, it's our job to think about the box.
 
2009-11-27 08:12:00 PM  
tinfoil-hat maggie
I say you're in the closet po-ta-toe, po-ta-ta.
/Never met a gay man that wanted to be with anyone who didn't look, and act male.


Well, seeing as how I've never wanted to be with anyone who looked or acted male, I'd say it's unlikely that I'm closeted. I am drawn to those who look and act female. This explains why I was drawn to my friend with AIS. She's quite pretty. However, I'm an intellectually honest (or "rigorous" hehe) hetero. Unfortunately, her genetics would be a deal breaker for me. You can call it immature if you like, but I'll just call it intellectually honest.

/FARK - Where intellectual honesty is just, like, so uncool, man.
 
2009-11-27 08:13:17 PM  
FTA: Ian says: "Being a straight man..."

www.mandypatinkin.net
 
2009-11-27 08:14:11 PM  
Oznog: TFA keeps referring to it as a "same sex partnership". Generally relationships with transsexuals are not seen that way. This guy has no attraction to male characteristics mentioned.

bhcompy:Says who? Technically, the law generally doesn't see it that way. The law sees penis and says it's a man. The law doesn't care if you feel like a woman "on the inside". The people that say "same sex partnership" are the ones dealing with legal/formal issues related to the relationship, and that label would apply in this case as it is about a legal/formal issue.

/I'd hit it
//Big deal, it's a penis. Use the butt if you want to fark something


I was referring to the laws allowing a TS who gets Genital Reassignment Surgery to legally become a woman (in most states) and legally get married to a man (in most states). So, for most states, it's legally established that gender is the shape of genitals. And note it's only the shape. A GRS vagina isn't actually a real vagina. It's male genital tissue modified to look female. The law didn't care if a person has a gender identity disparity their entire life. They didn't care if they have breast implants and plastic surgery and LOOK female from the outside. They don't care if you're capable of breeding as a female and/or not as a male. They only care about the outward morphology of the genitals.

Actually, if a person legally gets their birth certificate changed in one state I think they can probably get married in any state, including those who do not allow a person to legally change their gender. They have to take the word of the state with custody of it, and AFAIK's not issued as an amended certificate but actually changed, without note.

What I'm saying is, it's funny that- AFAIK- there was no outrage when it became legally acceptable to have genital surgery, legally become another gender, and marry someone of your original gender.
1. Arrr Rabble rabble! It's a slippery slope, if we allow this then anyone can do it, for whatever reason!
2. Some crazy doctor could tell your son all his problems are due to his genitals, and cut them off! You'll never have grandkids! (cue the soapboxing by grandmothers of kids presented as previously having Gender Dysphoria, but were "saved" from GRS by the church) Rabble rabble!
3. This will somehow offend God, who will forsake our nation because we forsook Him! We shall all suffer! Rabble rabble!

Nope... didn't happen AFAIK. The legal precedent was quietly established in courts and legislature was actually passed regarding it. Yes, 40 FARKING YEARS AGO, your parents and grandparents didn't have a big problem accepting this sort of change.
 
2009-11-27 08:14:26 PM  
She was born with both bits, correct? Not a standard Asian She-Male deal?
 
2009-11-27 08:14:27 PM  
Meh.

I've passed over better looking for a quiet corner in which to jerk off.

That reminds me...BRB!
 
2009-11-27 08:15:27 PM  
pheed: tinfoil-hat maggie
I say you're in the closet po-ta-toe, po-ta-ta.
/Never met a gay man that wanted to be with anyone who didn't look, and act male.

Well, seeing as how I've never wanted to be with anyone who looked or acted male, I'd say it's unlikely that I'm closeted. I am drawn to those who look and act female. This explains why I was drawn to my friend with AIS. She's quite pretty. However, I'm an intellectually honest (or "rigorous" hehe) hetero. Unfortunately, her genetics would be a deal breaker for me. You can call it immature if you like, but I'll just call it intellectually honest.

/FARK - Where intellectual honesty is just, like, so uncool, man.


A person with AIS is the only male I'd do.
 
2009-11-27 08:15:48 PM  
aagrajag: tinfoil-hat maggie: pheed: Genevieve Marie
2009-11-27 06:24:27 PM

That just tells me that you're very hung up on the social constructs surrounding gender.

You can call it hung up, I'll call it being hetero.

I say you're in the closet po-ta-toe, po-ta-ta.
/Never met a gay man that wanted to be with anyone who didn't look, and act male.

It's this that makes the whole "gender identity" thing that much more interesting.

If I were a chick with the same mind as I have now, I'd just want vagina. I don't think I'd find it pleasant or necessary to don dresses.

//'cept the underwear which, as we discussed, is a comfort thing


Hey, I'm a woman and I have little interest in dresses or skirts. I see old women walking around in winter temperatures wearing pantyhose and dresses, freezing half to death, because their era dictated that a woman had to dress like that all the time to be properly feminine. Who the hell wants a frostbitten cooch?
 
2009-11-27 08:18:02 PM  
i238.photobucket.com

This is a guy.
 
2009-11-27 08:18:51 PM  
I came here for hot tranny pics
 
2009-11-27 08:20:09 PM  
tinfoil-hat maggie: Beer went through my nose cause of you :)

and now I can say I've accomplished something today ;)
 
2009-11-27 08:20:30 PM  
that is so farking romantic... except the bit about facing deportation.

Have a heart England! give her a visa!
 
2009-11-27 08:20:48 PM  
i208.photobucket.com

Quagmire: Whoah!! Transexual BACK OFF!!
Quagmire: Wait a minute.... pre-op or post-op?
Transexual: Pre-op
Quagmire: Whoah!! Transexual BACK OFF!!

/First thing I thought of
//Hot like Glen
 
2009-11-27 08:22:04 PM  
cornbread and the collard greens: This is a guy.

and he's just copying Peter Burns from Dead or Alive before he went down the ugly road.
 
2009-11-27 08:22:51 PM  
Funk Out: "Who the hell wants a frostbitten cooch?"

I'll take one!
An hour or two in warm water and it's good as new!
 
2009-11-27 08:23:26 PM  
i47.tinypic.com

Quagmire: "Hey there little lady. Why don't you turn around and show me your Lower East Side."
Woman (man voice) : "Sure."
Quagmire: "Whoa, transvestite, back off! Wait a minute...pre-op or post-op?"
Woman: "Pre-op."
Quagmire: "Whoa, transvestite, back off!"
 
2009-11-27 08:23:53 PM  
AtomicPenguin: Genevieve Marie: No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.

I don't think that a significant portion of the human community cares what they see themselves as. That seems pretty evident from the stigma placed on homosexuality, and transsexuals in particular, doesn't it?

To most people I'd say that a man who became a woman isn't now a woman, but instead they're... a man who became a woman. That's a pretty important distinction, and one that few people (if any) I know would dismiss should they be considering entering a relationship with that person. There's no way in hell I'd consider society to be kind enough to just accept that someone was a woman because they say they are; there's no evidence for it at all.


You are wrong, there actually is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Rsearch on brain chemistry and architecture of trans people compared to those who are not trans show the majority have brain mapping closer and usually identicle to what is expected in the opposite sex. A large majority of trans individuals also have intersex conditions (look it up) There is allot of research proving exactly the opposite of what you have just said and no solid evidence proving any of what you have said.

Our brains know what parts they are supposed to have, much in the same way they know what parts their partners are supposed to have. Our brain knows what men and women are supposed to look like, and living it first hand I can comfirm to you that if your brain sees your own body as missmatched from its expectations that it is deadly.
 
2009-11-27 08:24:00 PM  
ha-ha-guy: Think about it, no PMS, no random bloating and biatchiness the enitre transexual thing does have some pros.

I'm not sure you can depend on that "no random biatchiness" thing. Large amounts of estrogen can play hell with emotions whether it comes from ovaries once a month or from a needle. I wouldn't be surprised if, especially at the beginning of hormone therapy, a lot of transsexuals go through the equivalent of PMS on Steroids.
 
2009-11-27 08:24:08 PM  
Ah, the transsexual, a sexual Swiss Army Knife.
 
2009-11-27 08:25:23 PM  
Damn you Wile_E._Quixote :)Close to simulpost.
 
2009-11-27 08:25:29 PM  
Psycoholic_Slag: Good for them.

If she's feminine in every way except the peener, just look at it as a rather large clit.

/you'll always know when she's aroused.
/you'll always know if she's faking it.
/no PMS and "that time of month".
/she will probably have a better idea of what a man likes than a biological woman.


No biatching about leaving the toilet seat up!
 
2009-11-27 08:27:06 PM  
Bhasayate: She was born with both bits, correct? Not a standard Asian She-Male deal?

No, that's a hermaphrodite. Sorry to squash your fantasy.
 
2009-11-27 08:29:57 PM  
Atomic Spunk: Gunther: Atomic Spunk: Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

Ehh, as long as she was post-op, I wouldn't mind and I'm not sure why anyone would. Mentally she'd be female, physically she'd be female (apart from the lack of a womb and an XX chromosome) so why would you get hung up on it? some form of mis-directed homophobia?

Misdirected homophobia? Not in the least.

Go ahead and ask your straight male friends, "Would you fark a woman who was born male?" I'm quite sure you'll see that I'm correct on this.

A person can cut if off and make a hole, insert some plastic bags in your chest, but if they were born a male, they are still mostly male. And straight men, by definition, don't want to fark other men.


Not all tranny boobs are plastic. Hormones grows them naturally, many never need implants. I've grown an ample A since last march and will likely end up with a fair B. Hubby loves them.

Also, there is a huge difference between asking a straight boy what he would do and what a straight boy will actually do when he feels nobody is looking.
 
2009-11-27 08:31:15 PM  
img268.imageshack.us
 
2009-11-27 08:31:38 PM  
Would I do her? Sorry, I'm saving myself for...
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-11-27 08:31:46 PM  
drinki bird: that is so farking romantic... except the bit about facing deportation.

Have a heart England! give her a visa!


RTFA...its not England its Malaysia..
 
2009-11-27 08:33:47 PM  
SakuraDensetsu:
Not all tranny boobs are plastic. Hormones grows them naturally, many never need implants. I've grown an ample A since last march and will likely end up with a fair B. Hubby loves them.


Photos please...
 
2009-11-27 08:34:30 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: Atomic Spunk: Genevieve Marie: Atomic Spunk: Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.

No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.

If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man, you are absolutely wrong. Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

If you refute this, you obviously don't understand straight men.

As a Transsexual I can tell you I understand straight men better than you, and I get hit on by hell of allot of straight men.


All right then honey, let's see some proof. You can either post here or email me. I'll be honest with you, but right now, I just don't believe it.

/Difficulty: I tend to go for Germanic and buxom.
 
2009-11-27 08:35:42 PM  
Looking at the guy is guess he's better with a hot tranny than a fugly female.
 
2009-11-27 08:36:31 PM  
RadicalMiddle: SakuraDensetsu:
Not all tranny boobs are plastic. Hormones grows them naturally, many never need implants. I've grown an ample A since last march and will likely end up with a fair B. Hubby loves them.

Photos please...


Does it work if you are a girl and have small tits?
 
2009-11-27 08:36:54 PM  
ha-ha-guy: Well lets see here. If the surgery was done really well and I couldn't tell that I was doing a man-made vagina it could work. Think about it, no PMS, no random bloating and biatchiness the enitre transexual thing does have some pros.

On the downside, no kids of our own. Also I'm told fake boobs don't feel/age all that well. That would be ashame.

No way in hell though I'm doing a newspaper article about it. I'd just tell the family we had fertility problems to explain the no kids and move on from there.


I take it you've not met very many post-op transgendereds. They can never cut out the male from their DNA. They are forevere gay men in altered skin.
 
2009-11-27 08:38:21 PM  
Psycoholic_Slag: Ominae: Look up Buck Angel, and then look up linetrap. I'll wait.
Found 'em?
Here's a question. Given that the answer 'neither' isn't an option, which, assuming you had to, would you bone tonight?

/Use a #2 pencil only

Wow............wow.

I just went down a GIS road that I had never traveled before.


How to confirm that you are a girl: "Wow. She's gorgeous. [zoom] I'd love to do my eyes like she does. Wonder how she does it."

/Also just told my husband that her penis reminded me of his
//Awkward comment night!
 
2009-11-27 08:40:09 PM  
Bhasayate: RadicalMiddle: SakuraDensetsu:
Not all tranny boobs are plastic. Hormones grows them naturally, many never need implants. I've grown an ample A since last march and will likely end up with a fair B. Hubby loves them.

Photos please...

Does it work if you are a girl and have small tits?


Of course! When it comes to boobies, it's all good.
 
2009-11-27 08:41:36 PM  
www.twinpeaksgazette.com

/ neither of them
 
2009-11-27 08:43:12 PM  
I'd hit it.

/it's a man baby

; )
 
2009-11-27 08:45:13 PM  
Aidan: Psycoholic_Slag: Ominae: Look up Buck Angel, and then look up linetrap. I'll wait.
Found 'em?
Here's a question. Given that the answer 'neither' isn't an option, which, assuming you had to, would you bone tonight?

/Use a #2 pencil only

Wow............wow.

I just went down a GIS road that I had never traveled before.

How to confirm that you are a girl: "Wow. She's gorgeous. [zoom] I'd love to do my eyes like she does. Wonder how she does it."

/Also just told my husband that her penis reminded me of his
//Awkward comment night!


links? =p
 
2009-11-27 08:45:28 PM  
I see the divorce coming. "It was all good, right up until she said, "Let's try something different"."
 
2009-11-27 08:46:58 PM  
Sorry, I'd just find the whole cock and balls thing off-putting. I don't like my women to have more junk and stuff than I do.
 
2009-11-27 08:48:51 PM  
I'd hit it...with a mad ball!

Seriously, though, kudos to him for being upfront about his condition rather than giving the other guy a "Crying Game" surprise.
 
2009-11-27 08:49:10 PM  
punto: I'm sick of the phrase "she's actually a he". It was funny the first time, now it's just inaccurate. If she wants to be referred as a she, why be an asshole about it?

This

If you seriously have issues using a persons preferred pronouns, at least use neutral ones. And no, "IT" is not an acceptable neutral pronoun.

If your beliefs really prevent you from refering to a tranny as "She", then call them "Them". Refering to any person as "It" is degrading them to an animal at best, and is as hateful as you could ever be to another human being. Everyone deserves to be treated as a person regardless of whether you agree with their choices and lifestyle.
 
2009-11-27 08:50:08 PM  
Bhasayate: links? =p

I googled it and checked Encyclopedia Dramatica. Obviously that's hugely NSFW. Expand the gallery under Line Trap (two words).
 
2009-11-27 08:50:42 PM  
i409.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-27 08:50:45 PM  
I look a a lot of porn. Sometimes the odd tranny will show up. I then cry because these girls have way bigger junk than I.
 
2009-11-27 08:51:22 PM  
"Hit it" with what subby?

a) You have low standards. He/she/it is just average.

b) You will be spending a lot of time washing corn off your dick on a regular basis.

c) And one more thing...YOUR GAY, just so you know.

Being in love with, and having sex with another man is pretty much the 'Websters' on that one...not that there is anything wrong with that.

Either that or you think she has the BIGGEST clitorus EVER, and isnt as "Fresh' as she could be 'down there'.

Your family must be so proud.
 
2009-11-27 08:51:53 PM  
Ominae: Look up Buck Angel, and then look up linetrap. I'll wait.

...

...

...

Found 'em?

Here's a question. Given that the answer 'neither' isn't an option, which, assuming you had to, would you bone tonight?

/Use a #2 pencil only


WIN!!!
 
2009-11-27 08:53:17 PM  
This is where I lose my conservative membership card.

They're happy, they're hitched, who cares.
Look at it this way, they're doing something to stop overpopulation.

Though, to be honest, she's not what I pictured when I thought 'passable tranny'.
 
2009-11-27 08:54:21 PM  
Chowder_17: drinki bird: that is so farking romantic... except the bit about facing deportation.

Have a heart England! give her a visa!

RTFA...its not England its Malaysia..


Malaysia sucks worse, but you can appeal to brits, since they embrace western culture and sometimes show compassion to the likes of the GLBT.

Malaysia is so uncooperative that the government will arrest them if they try to have their relationship there. England is only a little douchesque for not letting her stay, but all they have to do is grant her a visa.

She should apply for asylum, since she will be jailed if she ever goes back.
 
2009-11-27 08:55:59 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: If you seriously have issues using a persons preferred pronouns, at least use neutral ones. And no, "IT" is not an acceptable neutral pronoun.

If your beliefs really prevent you from refering to a tranny as "She", then call them "Them". Refering to any person as "It" is degrading them to an animal at best, and is as hateful as you could ever be to another human being. Everyone deserves to be treated as a person regardless of whether you agree with their choices and lifestyle.


Since when does one person have the power to unilaterally alter the meaning of words within an entire society's language? Man=he; woman=her. Pretty easy.
 
2009-11-27 08:56:25 PM  
drjekel_mrhyde: I came here for hot tranny pics

Here:

upload.wikimedia.org

/you're welcome
 
2009-11-27 08:56:29 PM  
www.aksysgames.com

Seriously, almost 300 posts, and no Bridget?
 
2009-11-27 08:56:51 PM  
TimeWaste: I've never been in the pooper, and I truly have no interest. My wife literally poos from there, and that would be all I could think about.

That being said, he/she looks very convincing as a women.

Lola would be proud.


She poos and Bleeds heavelly from the other hole...and babies come out of there...and previous boyfriend's cocks.
 
2009-11-27 08:58:25 PM  
That's some sick shiat. He must be a closet gay anyway.

/He went all, "cryin' game"
 
2009-11-27 08:58:33 PM  
And let me beat you to the punch on this one: "Oh PapasandBeer, how could you be so shallow and narrow minded?"

Actually, I think that people who choose not to conform to societal norms also choose to be treated different by those within their society, and are themselves being narrow minded when they expect everyone they come across to change for them.
 
2009-11-27 09:00:09 PM  
ewwwww
 
2009-11-27 09:00:54 PM  
Don't do the "line trap" gis thing!!
 
2009-11-27 09:01:00 PM  
aagrajag: Thailand

Actually, it's Katoey...

Friends in the US would love to make jokes about me living in Thailand and about ladyboys. They pretty much shut up once they realized a lot of them were more attractive than their own girlfriends.


I have seen a lot of white guys tricked, pretty damn funny.



on a side note, they start taking hormones before puberty to offset adams apples and man hands.

They know they are Katoey as early as age 4, my wife had students proclaim they were and would only use the female form of speech and would only line up with the girls etc etc.

You get used to all the craziness.
 
2009-11-27 09:01:50 PM  
Well heck as long as they are happy so what.
 
2009-11-27 09:03:15 PM  
JWideman: I'm normally one to defend those with GID or AIS, but... this person is happy with their body and doesn't want to surgically alter it. That's not GID, that's a highly feminized homosexual man.

/Not that there's anything wrong with that.


Not quite

Some trannies come to terms with the idea that genitals do not define sex. I would much rather have a vagina, defintaely. But I am not getting bottom surgery either. I came to terms with my parts, and as long as they work and my hubby likes them then what is the big concern.
 
2009-11-27 09:11:54 PM  
The guys who say that they wouldn't hit a hot trap need to spend some more time looking at some of the camwhores on the -chan boards. Some of them look very, very female and, frankly, pretty hot.

It's a whole new world out there with regards to TGs

/many fall into the "would not hit it" camp
//same as many XX women
 
2009-11-27 09:12:54 PM  
PAPASandBEER: SakuraDensetsu: If you seriously have issues using a persons preferred pronouns, at least use neutral ones. And no, "IT" is not an acceptable neutral pronoun.

If your beliefs really prevent you from refering to a tranny as "She", then call them "Them". Refering to any person as "It" is degrading them to an animal at best, and is as hateful as you could ever be to another human being. Everyone deserves to be treated as a person regardless of whether you agree with their choices and lifestyle.

Since when does one person have the power to unilaterally alter the meaning of words within an entire society's language? Man=he; woman=her. Pretty easy.


Also, being "hateful" requires some sort of malice, I certainly don't think its hateful to be uncertain of what pronoun to use. I always used the term "it" to refer to my daughter in utero prior to knowing her gender, not because of any lack of love, but because she(it) was singular at the time (not a plural them).

That said, I think its insensitive to not accept any person's identity of themself, but its equally insensitive to make people feel self-conscious about their pronoun usage.

Whoever you are, you need to get over yourself. People aren't being hateful just because they used the wrong word, you are not the center of anyone's universe. People are just verbally clumsy, don't take it personally or get all biatchy about it. I'm also looking at you, people who get their undies in a bunch over having their complicated foreign or made-up name mispronounced. get over it.

/my name is long and German. I don't care if you can't pronounce it.
 
2009-11-27 09:13:36 PM  
FunkOut: aagrajag: tinfoil-hat maggie: pheed: Genevieve Marie
2009-11-27 06:24:27 PM

That just tells me that you're very hung up on the social constructs surrounding gender.

You can call it hung up, I'll call it being hetero.

I say you're in the closet po-ta-toe, po-ta-ta.
/Never met a gay man that wanted to be with anyone who didn't look, and act male.

It's this that makes the whole "gender identity" thing that much more interesting.

If I were a chick with the same mind as I have now, I'd just want vagina. I don't think I'd find it pleasant or necessary to don dresses.

//'cept the underwear which, as we discussed, is a comfort thing

Hey, I'm a woman and I have little interest in dresses or skirts. I see old women walking around in winter temperatures wearing pantyhose and dresses, freezing half to death, because their era dictated that a woman had to dress like that all the time to be properly feminine. Who the hell wants a frostbitten cooch?


I like it cold.

//With a warm centre...
 
2009-11-27 09:15:11 PM  
the_chief: I look a a lot of porn. Sometimes the odd tranny will show up. I then cry because these girls have way bigger junk than I.

Yeah, wtf is it with traps and their giant cocks? I mean, I know its porn, so selection bias is biased, but even "accidental pro-ams" like Harley Quinn are way above average.

/yes, i'm annoyed at it, what of it???
 
2009-11-27 09:17:04 PM  
Savoir-Faire: SakuraDensetsu: Atomic Spunk: Genevieve Marie: Atomic Spunk: Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.

No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.

If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man, you are absolutely wrong. Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

If you refute this, you obviously don't understand straight men.

As a Transsexual I can tell you I understand straight men better than you, and I get hit on by hell of allot of straight men.

All right then honey, let's see some proof. You can either post here or email me. I'll be honest with you, but right now, I just don't believe it.

/Difficulty: I tend to go for Germanic and buxom.


Proof that straight men hit on me? How? Whenever a straight man hits on me, should I give them your email address?

You seem to be asking for my picture? You idea of proof that I get hit on by straight men is based on how attractive you rate me?

The irony is you are doing a better job of proving my point than actually digging for proof.
 
2009-11-27 09:20:37 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: You seem to be asking for my picture?

Don't know if want. A nick like "SakuraDensetsu" makes "overweight yaoi fan" much more possible than is perhaps worth risking.
 
2009-11-27 09:20:50 PM  
Bhasayate: RadicalMiddle: SakuraDensetsu:
Not all tranny boobs are plastic. Hormones grows them naturally, many never need implants. I've grown an ample A since last march and will likely end up with a fair B. Hubby loves them.

Photos please...

Does it work if you are a girl and have small tits?


Yess but I would recommend seeing an Endocrinologist before taking anything.

You need Estrogen, Prolactin and Progesterone for breast growth. If you have a high Testosterone level then maybe Spirotone. You could get by with just a small does of Estrogen, Premarin is not to hard to get.

Easy fix ; get your doctor to prescribe Seasondale

It is a strong birth control with a decent level of Estrogen and Progesterone in it.
 
2009-11-27 09:22:49 PM  
TheBlackFlag: "Hit it" with what subby?

a) You have low standards. He/she/it is just average.

b) You will be spending a lot of time washing corn off your dick on a regular basis.

c) And one more thing...YOUR GAY, just so you know.

Being in love with, and having sex with another man is pretty much the 'Websters' on that one...not that there is anything wrong with that.

Either that or you think she has the BIGGEST clitorus EVER, and isnt as "Fresh' as she could be 'down there'.

Your family must be so proud.


Lessee, misspellings, yup, troll.

//Straight, and this is why I try not to feed my wife corn
 
2009-11-27 09:23:01 PM  
simpsonfan: You can say you are in love with another man.

Eh, if they can fool random person into thinking they are a chick, it's a wash. That's like saying that someone who was into a hot post-op is gay, or to a hermaphrodite, or a tomboy is gay.

Our attraction is, by and large, based on secondary sex indicators, not the "core plumbing" due to clothing.

/but they still have to be hot, or the deal is off!
 
2009-11-27 09:24:57 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: Not quite

Some trannies come to terms with the idea that genitals do not define sex. I would much rather have a vagina, defintaely. But I am not getting bottom surgery either. I came to terms with my parts, and as long as they work and my hubby likes them then what is the big concern.


There should be no concern at all, I might be joking a bit in here, but I think it's great that the guy in the article can look at her and see more than just a penis. He sees the whole person.

I also want to say it's terrific that you've come to terms with your your parts. I've noticed that making the decision concerning surgery is often an enormous relief to folks with GID. Trying to make that decision seems to be all consuming to many transsexuals. I'm happy to hear that you are past that.

Sakura, I think your hubby is a very lucky man.
 
2009-11-27 09:26:30 PM  
simpsonfan: You can say you are in love with another man. You can say you are not gay. You can't say both.

At least Fatine told the guy the truth from the beginning.


Depends of what "gay" means to a person. Are you attracted to the masculine, or the feminine?
 
2009-11-27 09:27:39 PM  
PAPASandBEER: Actually, I think that people who choose not to conform to societal norms also choose to be treated different by those within their society, and are themselves being narrow minded when they expect everyone they come across to change for them.

SO MUCH THIS
 
2009-11-27 09:28:45 PM  
PAPASandBEER: SakuraDensetsu: If you seriously have issues using a persons preferred pronouns, at least use neutral ones. And no, "IT" is not an acceptable neutral pronoun.

If your beliefs really prevent you from refering to a tranny as "She", then call them "Them". Refering to any person as "It" is degrading them to an animal at best, and is as hateful as you could ever be to another human being. Everyone deserves to be treated as a person regardless of whether you agree with their choices and lifestyle.

Since when does one person have the power to unilaterally alter the meaning of words within an entire society's language? Man=he; woman=her. Pretty easy.


And IT = object or animal

Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

Imagine for a moment you had a glandullar problem which caused you to look more like the oopesite sex and sound like it. If you are male, imagine if it made you short, baby faced, and sound like a chick. I know allot of people with glandular issues which gets people treating them like trannies. You will see it more than you will Trannies even.

Would you prefer I called you "Her", "It", or "Them/They"
 
2009-11-27 09:29:40 PM  
More power to 'em and all, but subby wrote a check in that headline that the pic couldn't cash.
 
2009-11-27 09:33:05 PM  
Genevieve Marie: pheed: even one that looks exactly like a female (on the outside) would at the very least be psychologically confusing.

That just tells me that you're very hung up on the social constructs surrounding gender. Someone with AIS even appears female externally naturally, not from surgery. For all intents and purposes, she's a woman and always has been. She just has a birth defect that shouldn't affect the way anyone else looks at her.


God, I hate it when intelligent people use their intelligence to talk themselves into utter tosh.
 
2009-11-27 09:34:25 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: Atomic Spunk: Genevieve Marie: Atomic Spunk: Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.

No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.

If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man, you are absolutely wrong. Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

If you refute this, you obviously don't understand straight men.

As a Transsexual I can tell you I understand straight men better than you, and I get hit on by hell of allot of straight men.


If we're going to be scientific about this, I would say with all certainty that you don't know more about straight guys than I do. I'm sorry if this hurts, but the fact is, there are a hell of a lot of straight guys that wouldn't ever want to associate with you at all because they are disgusted by you. And there are also many that may not personally be disgusted by you, but they're afraid that being seen with you would hurt their reputation. So the population of "straight" men that would associate with you is biased. And the population of "straight" men that hit on you is extremely biased.

On the other hand, I am not a transsexual, and I am in no way effeminate, so the population of straight men that I would associate with isn't biased. Some of the straight guys I associate with might like transsexuals and some may not. But one thing for certain is that guys who hang out with you like transsexuals.

As I'm sure you've seen, transsexualism isn't something that is very popular in our culture. How many parents want their children to grow up to be transsexuals? How many parents want their children to marry a transsexual? I'm sure you've heard plenty of stories of transsexuals being beaten or killed for no other reason than their sexual identity. I certainly don't condone it, but the fact is that by and large, your type of sexuality isn't a big hit among many in the general population. And because of this, the people who associate with you aren't representative of the population as a whole.

Just because you get hit on by a lot of "straight" guys, that doesn't mean that most straight guys want to fark a transsexual. Understand?
 
2009-11-27 09:35:08 PM  
aagrajag: simpsonfan: You can say you are in love with another man. You can say you are not gay. You can't say both.

At least Fatine told the guy the truth from the beginning.

Depends of what "gay" means to a person. Are you attracted to the masculine, or the feminine?


That's it exactly. Nicely said, any one who just says they are attracted to a certain genitalia isn't ever getting any.
?/Why do you like me Bobbyjoe?
?//Well Bobbylee you have a Vagina?
/yee haw
 
2009-11-27 09:36:53 PM  
From an economic standpoint, it's likely way cheaper to give shim the parts she wants rather than to untangle the Gordian Knot causing her unhappiness.

www.maa.org
 
2009-11-27 09:38:45 PM  
Knara: SakuraDensetsu: You seem to be asking for my picture?

Don't know if want. A nick like "SakuraDensetsu" makes "overweight yaoi fan" much more possible than is perhaps worth risking.


Lol

Sakura Densetsu = Legend of the Cherry Blossoms. Cherry Blossoms are the symbol of spring, of rebirth. I chose the name Sakura because of this when I started my Transition. Eventually outgrew it and settled on my Mothers name; Patricia.

Cool Story Time;

I was told that my mom was kinda doped up after the C section when I was born. When asked for my name she gave my first name. When asked for a middle name she said Patricia, nurses made it Patrick.

So my mother actually named me Patricia. One of the reasons I chose it.

I am not only Trans, I am Intersexed. I have Chimerism, I was fraternal twins of opposite gender and one absorbed the other. This story and a load of other similar has brought up the conclusion that my parents knew I was Intersexed at birth, and doctors instructed them to raise me male. I really wish they hadn't removed my Ovaries.
 
2009-11-27 09:40:21 PM  
ratboy: From an economic standpoint, it's likely way cheaper to give shim the parts she wants rather than to untangle the Gordian Knot causing her unhappiness.

You operate under the assumption that she is not happy. I would think she is.
 
2009-11-27 09:41:51 PM  
Atomic Spunk: SakuraDensetsu: Atomic Spunk: Genevieve Marie: Atomic Spunk: Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.

No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.

If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man, you are absolutely wrong. Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

If you refute this, you obviously don't understand straight men.

As a Transsexual I can tell you I understand straight men better than you, and I get hit on by hell of allot of straight men.

If we're going to be scientific about this, I would say with all certainty that you don't know more about straight guys than I do. I'm sorry if this hurts, but the fact is, there are a hell of a lot of straight guys that wouldn't ever want to associate with you at all because they are disgusted by you. And there are also many that may not personally be disgusted by you, but they're afraid that being seen with you would hurt their reputation. So the population of "straight" men that would associate with you is biased. And the population of "straight" men that hit on you is extremely biased.

On the other hand, I am not a transsexual, and I am in no way effeminate, so the population of straight men that I would associate with isn't biased. Some of the straight guys I associate with might like transsexuals and some may not. But one thing for certain is that guys who hang out with you like transsexuals.

As I'm sure you've seen, transsexualism isn't something that is very popular in our culture. How many parents want their children to grow up to be transsexuals? How many parents want their children to marry a transsexual? I'm sure you've heard plenty of stories of transsexuals being beaten or killed for no other reason than their sexual identity. I certainly don't condone it, but the fact is that by and large, your type of sexuality isn't a big hit among many in the general population. And because of this, the people who associate with you aren't representative of the population as a whole.

Just because you get hit on by a lot of "straight" guys, that doesn't mean that most straight guys want to fark a transsexual. Understand?


1. I don't believe you're straight
2.well,you may be a troll
3.you're in this thread why?
4.my opinion is you've never had sex
//slashies yaa I went there
 
2009-11-27 09:42:25 PM  
RadicalMiddle: SakuraDensetsu: Not quite

Some trannies come to terms with the idea that genitals do not define sex. I would much rather have a vagina, defintaely. But I am not getting bottom surgery either. I came to terms with my parts, and as long as they work and my hubby likes them then what is the big concern.

There should be no concern at all, I might be joking a bit in here, but I think it's great that the guy in the article can look at her and see more than just a penis. He sees the whole person.

I also want to say it's terrific that you've come to terms with your your parts. I've noticed that making the decision concerning surgery is often an enormous relief to folks with GID. Trying to make that decision seems to be all consuming to many transsexuals. I'm happy to hear that you are past that.

Sakura, I think your hubby is a very lucky man.


Thank you

And a large number of Trans girls have surgery and are worse off. Part of why therapy is so key, in reality people need to come to terms with what they have before worrying about changing it. It is better to think of reconstructive surgery as self expression rather than repair. Love yourself, then use your body to express that love. Same with any plastic surgery, or piercing, or tatoo.
 
2009-11-27 09:42:26 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

It IS the neutral pronoun. Sheesh. Calling a person "they" is asinine.
 
2009-11-27 09:43:07 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: Both a very sweet and very sad story.

I am glad they have found happiness together and truly hope things work out.
If love was where and what you were expecting and with whom you expected, we would all have it right now.


Bears repeating.
 
2009-11-27 09:43:34 PM  
Heterosexual = attracted purely to female features

Homosexual = attracted purely to male features

People who can be attracted to either and/or have been in relationships with both are in fact neither hetero nor homosexual. There is in fact a reason for the term bisexual.
 
2009-11-27 09:44:53 PM  
Atomic Spunk:Just because you get hit on by a lot of "straight" guys, that doesn't mean that most straight guys want to fark a transsexual. Understand?

Not Farking likely.
 
2009-11-27 09:44:57 PM  
tinyarena
I've seen asian boys who are prettier than most girls [...] Sadly, for me, I can't get excited by someone with the same plumbing I've got.

Well, you got excited enough about the guy in your pic to call him pretty, and post a photo of him writhing in apparent ecstasy (taken at your place last weekend?)
 
2009-11-27 09:46:40 PM  
Gramma: SakuraDensetsu: Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

It IS the neutral pronoun. Sheesh. Calling a person "they" is asinine.


Try "the person"
 
2009-11-27 09:46:45 PM  
Gramma: SakuraDensetsu: Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

It IS the neutral pronoun. Sheesh. Calling a person "they" is asinine.


Can't we agree that English sucks and really shouldn't have a word that is overwhelmingly used on inanimate objects applied to walking talking dreaming loving people?
 
2009-11-27 09:47:37 PM  
Somacandra: Heroic Poser: I feel lucky to have met such a caring, wonderful person.

Good save, dude.

This may be hard to grasp, but for a significant portion of the human community plumbing is secondary to other concerns.


Lighten up, Francine.
 
2009-11-27 09:50:06 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: Lol

Sakura Densetsu = Legend of the Cherry Blossoms. Cherry Blossoms are the symbol of spring, of rebirth. I chose the name Sakura because of this when I started my Transition. Eventually outgrew it and settled on my Mothers name; Patricia.

Cool Story Time;

I was told that my mom was kinda doped up after the C section when I was born. When asked for my name she gave my first name. When asked for a middle name she said Patricia, nurses made it Patrick.

So my mother actually named me Patricia. One of the reasons I chose it.

I am not only Trans, I am Intersexed. I have Chimerism, I was fraternal twins of opposite gender and one absorbed the other. This story and a load of other similar has brought up the conclusion that my parents knew I was Intersexed at birth, and doctors instructed them to raise me male. I really wish they hadn't removed my Ovaries.


Cool story br... er... yeah

Still not sure if want.

Explain to me why TGs always seem to have huge penors.
 
2009-11-27 09:52:09 PM  
Oznog: Oznog: TFA keeps referring to it as a "same sex partnership". Generally relationships with transsexuals are not seen that way. This guy has no attraction to male characteristics mentioned.

bhcompy:Says who? Technically, the law generally doesn't see it that way. The law sees penis and says it's a man. The law doesn't care if you feel like a woman "on the inside". The people that say "same sex partnership" are the ones dealing with legal/formal issues related to the relationship, and that label would apply in this case as it is about a legal/formal issue.

/I'd hit it
//Big deal, it's a penis. Use the butt if you want to fark something

I was referring to the laws allowing a TS who gets Genital Reassignment Surgery to legally become a woman (in most states) and legally get married to a man (in most states). So, for most states, it's legally established that gender is the shape of genitals. And note it's only the shape. A GRS vagina isn't actually a real vagina. It's male genital tissue modified to look female. The law didn't care if a person has a gender identity disparity their entire life. They didn't care if they have breast implants and plastic surgery and LOOK female from the outside. They don't care if you're capable of breeding as a female and/or not as a male. They only care about the outward morphology of the genitals.

Actually, if a person legally gets their birth certificate changed in one state I think they can probably get married in any state, including those who do not allow a person to legally change their gender. They have to take the word of the state with custody of it, and AFAIK's not issued as an amended certificate but actually changed, without note.

What I'm saying is, it's funny that- AFAIK- there was no outrage when it became legally acceptable to have genital surgery, legally become another gender, and marry someone of your original gender.
1. Arrr Rabble rabble! It's a slippery slope, if we allow this then anyone can do it, for whatever reason!
2. Some crazy doctor could tell your son all his problems are due to his genitals, and cut them off! You'll never have grandkids! (cue the soapboxing by grandmothers of kids presented as previously having Gender Dysphoria, but were "saved" from GRS by the church) Rabble rabble!
3. This will somehow offend God, who will forsake our nation because we forsook Him! We shall all suffer! Rabble rabble!

Nope... didn't happen AFAIK. The legal precedent was quietly established in courts and legislature was actually passed regarding it. Yes, 40 FARKING YEARS AGO, your parents and grandparents didn't have a big problem accepting this sort of change.


This is not a post-op transsexual though, this is a pre-op.
 
2009-11-27 09:52:18 PM  
Atomic Spunk: SakuraDensetsu: Atomic Spunk: Genevieve Marie: Atomic Spunk: Are you trying to say that a "significant proportion of the human community" isn't very concerned if their sex partner is a man or a woman?

You're nuts.

No, but a significant proportion of the human community understands that transsexuals really do perceive themselves as the gender they identify with and therefore we choose not to refer to them as their gender of birth or judge when someone else falls in love with that person and can see them the way they want to be seen.

If you're saying that there are a significant number of men that don't care that their sex partner was once a man, you are absolutely wrong. Find yourself 100 straight men and ask them if they'd have sex with a woman who used to be a man, and I can guarantee that at least 97% of them would refuse. Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

If you refute this, you obviously don't understand straight men.

As a Transsexual I can tell you I understand straight men better than you, and I get hit on by hell of allot of straight men.

If we're going to be scientific about this, I would say with all certainty that you don't know more about straight guys than I do. I'm sorry if this hurts, but the fact is, there are a hell of a lot of straight guys that wouldn't ever want to associate with you at all because they are disgusted by you. And there are also many that may not personally be disgusted by you, but they're afraid that being seen with you would hurt their reputation. So the population of "straight" men that would associate with you is biased. And the population of "straight" men that hit on you is extremely biased.

On the other hand, I am not a transsexual, and I am in no way effeminate, so the population of straight men that I would associate with isn't biased. Some of the straight guys I associate with might like transsexuals and some may not. But one thing for certain is that guys who hang out with you like transsexuals.

As I'm sure you've seen, transsexualism isn't something that is very popular in our culture. How many parents want their children to grow up to be transsexuals? How many parents want their children to marry a transsexual? I'm sure you've heard plenty of stories of transsexuals being beaten or killed for no other reason than their sexual identity. I certainly don't condone it, but the fact is that by and large, your type of sexuality isn't a big hit among many in the general population. And because of this, the people who associate with you aren't representative of the population as a whole.

Just because you get hit on by a lot of "straight" guys, that doesn't mean that most straight guys want to fark a transsexual. Understand?


And I can tell you; put the majority of straight boys in a situation where they are sure nobody would know, and they won't really care where they stick it. Allot have kinks for trannies.

Gay men do not hit on Trannies. Gay men do not want women with dicks, they want guys with dicks. Maybe a Drag Queen, but a Drag queen is a man performing in drag, not a tranny.

Bisexual men sure.

But I get allot more Straight boys hitting on me than anything else. They troll Tranny groups on Facebook and friend-add every one they see who isn't hideous. There are websites devoted to this, and porn. They don't want men, they want trannies.

You want some proof. Find some pics of a hot tranny, make a facebook account, search for and join all the shemale and tranny groups you can. Place an ad in each one looking for straight boys. Wait for the friend requests to pour in. Be surprised.
 
2009-11-27 09:52:54 PM  
Knara: SakuraDensetsu: Lol

Sakura Densetsu = Legend of the Cherry Blossoms. Cherry Blossoms are the symbol of spring, of rebirth. I chose the name Sakura because of this when I started my Transition. Eventually outgrew it and settled on my Mothers name; Patricia.

Cool Story Time;

I was told that my mom was kinda doped up after the C section when I was born. When asked for my name she gave my first name. When asked for a middle name she said Patricia, nurses made it Patrick.

So my mother actually named me Patricia. One of the reasons I chose it.

I am not only Trans, I am Intersexed. I have Chimerism, I was fraternal twins of opposite gender and one absorbed the other. This story and a load of other similar has brought up the conclusion that my parents knew I was Intersexed at birth, and doctors instructed them to raise me male. I really wish they hadn't removed my Ovaries.

Cool story br... er... yeah

Still not sure if want.

Explain to me why TGs always seem to have huge penors.


Dude, what you've looked at pornstars. Have you ever seen a pornstar who has small junk?
 
2009-11-27 09:53:50 PM  
RadicalMiddle: Gramma: SakuraDensetsu: Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

It IS the neutral pronoun. Sheesh. Calling a person "they" is asinine.

Try "the person"


My rule is that if the person seems to be a woman, I use 'she'. If the person seems to be a man, I use 'he'. If I'm utterly confused, the person will be 'it' until I can figure out which one applies.
 
2009-11-27 09:53:59 PM  
RadicalMiddle: ratboy: From an economic standpoint, it's likely way cheaper to give shim the parts she wants rather than to untangle the Gordian Knot causing her unhappiness.

You operate under the assumption that she is not happy. I would think she is.


Happy people do not have unnecessary plastic surgery on their genitalia. In 53 years I've not considered the option of removing my genitals, although my penis has at times treated me cruelly.
As far as I'm concerned, hack away! It's no skin off of my....
 
2009-11-27 09:54:01 PM  
"How about no."

i232.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-27 09:54:17 PM  
SakuraDensetsu:
Easy fix ; get your doctor to prescribe Seasondale

It is a strong birth control with a decent level of Estrogen and Progesterone in it.


Where can I find more information on this? A Google search for Seasondale doesn't provide any useful results.
 
2009-11-27 09:54:48 PM  
Gramma: SakuraDensetsu: Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

It IS the neutral pronoun. Sheesh. Calling a person "they" is asinine.


"IT" is neutral yes, but refers to an object.

Really. Would you accept people en mass calling you IT?
 
2009-11-27 09:55:02 PM  
pheed: tinfoil-hat maggie
I say you're in the closet po-ta-toe, po-ta-ta.
/Never met a gay man that wanted to be with anyone who didn't look, and act male.

Well, seeing as how I've never wanted to be with anyone who looked or acted male, I'd say it's unlikely that I'm closeted. I am drawn to those who look and act female. This explains why I was drawn to my friend with AIS. She's quite pretty. However, I'm an intellectually honest (or "rigorous" hehe) hetero. Unfortunately, her genetics would be a deal breaker for me. You can call it immature if you like, but I'll just call it intellectually honest.

/FARK - Where intellectual honesty is just, like, so uncool, man.


Sounds like she was better off anyway since you were obviously too insecure about something that really didn't matter. The only justifiable reason for letting that get to you is her sterility. I remember an episode of "House" where he described that as the perfect female - one that was actually a man inside.

The odd thing about that disorder is that the most severe form is the best form to have. Milder versions result in obvious androgynous development, and that I can totally understand not wanting to deal with. Since you said she was very pretty, chances are she had the "complete" variety, meaning everything external looks normal.

It sounds to me like the guy in the article isn't as straight as he thought. I can't imagine a truly straight man being OK with having a wife who is physically male where it most counts, despite being a woman mentally. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
 
2009-11-27 09:57:38 PM  
Aidan: Gramma: SakuraDensetsu: Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

It IS the neutral pronoun. Sheesh. Calling a person "they" is asinine.

Can't we agree that English sucks and really shouldn't have a word that is overwhelmingly used on inanimate objects applied to walking talking dreaming loving people?


Um.. no. 'It' is the gender neutral pronoun. Just because the primary usage is for inanimate objects doesn't mean that the secondary usage is wrong or somehow demeaning.
 
2009-11-27 09:58:18 PM  
Knara: SakuraDensetsu: Lol

Sakura Densetsu = Legend of the Cherry Blossoms. Cherry Blossoms are the symbol of spring, of rebirth. I chose the name Sakura because of this when I started my Transition. Eventually outgrew it and settled on my Mothers name; Patricia.

Cool Story Time;

I was told that my mom was kinda doped up after the C section when I was born. When asked for my name she gave my first name. When asked for a middle name she said Patricia, nurses made it Patrick.

So my mother actually named me Patricia. One of the reasons I chose it.

I am not only Trans, I am Intersexed. I have Chimerism, I was fraternal twins of opposite gender and one absorbed the other. This story and a load of other similar has brought up the conclusion that my parents knew I was Intersexed at birth, and doctors instructed them to raise me male. I really wish they hadn't removed my Ovaries.

Cool story br... er... yeah

Still not sure if want.

Explain to me why TGs always seem to have huge penors.


They don't, but more money is made off of the ones who do.

Hormones cause some shrinkage...sometimes allot.

I've met plenty who have small ones and a few with large ones. When scouting Tranny prostitutes to make your porno, which ones are you going to take?
 
2009-11-27 09:59:05 PM  
ratboy: RadicalMiddle: ratboy: From an economic standpoint, it's likely way cheaper to give shim the parts she wants rather than to untangle the Gordian Knot causing her unhappiness.

You operate under the assumption that she is not happy. I would think she is.

Happy people do not have unnecessary plastic surgery on their genitalia. In 53 years I've not considered the option of removing my genitals, although my penis has at times treated me cruelly.
As far as I'm concerned, hack away! It's no skin off of my....


Rear FTA, She is not considering surgery. She made a decision and is happy with it. She also found someone who loves her the way she is. What's not to be happy about?
 
2009-11-27 09:59:44 PM  
Heroic Poser: Somacandra: Heroic Poser: I feel lucky to have met such a caring, wonderful person.

Good save, dude.

This may be hard to grasp, but for a significant portion of the human community plumbing is secondary to other concerns.

Lighten up, Francine.


Wow a guy that dresses up as a storm trooper is unforgiving of other peoples differences.
Wow you're gay. I mean gay in a way that not even gay people can achieve. I'm mean gay like you made videos of toys sorta gay.
Boys having sex with boys isn't even half as gay as you are.
Am I done yet? Yea I guess I am and you were on my fav lists, but you're one big queer ass stormtrooper.
 
2009-11-27 10:01:56 PM  
SanDamiano:

Where can I find more information on this? A Google search for Seasondale doesn't provide any useful results.



I think she means Seasonale.

Link (new window)
 
2009-11-27 10:02:17 PM  
tinfoil-hat maggie:
1. I don't believe you're straight
2.well,you may be a troll
3.you're in this thread why?
4.my opinion is you've never had sex
//slashies yaa I went there


*Yawn* Here we go. Another "I don't agree with you so you must be a troll" response. And you combined that with a "you expressed a personal dislike for transsexualism/homosexualism so you are secretly gay" response. Get some new shtick - yours has worn thin.

The original reason I responded in this thread was when some idiot made the assumption that most guys don't care if their "female" sex partner used to be a man. Bullshiat. I don't know for sure because I haven't seen any reliable studies, but based on my middle-of-the-road beliefs, I'd say that there are very few straight guys that wouldn't consider "used to be a man" to be a total deal-killer. If you are a transsexual, or if you have a liking for things transsexual, your tastes may have merit, but they are out of touch with what MOST people think is acceptable. If you honestly think that transsexualism is something that is liked by the general population, I'd like to see some evidence. The fact is, MOST people see transsexualism as a sexual perversion. That doesn't make that opinion right, that is just what most people believe.

And for SakuraDensetsu to suggest that she knows straight guys better than I do? Well, that's just ludicrous. Read my response again to understand the reasons.

I will state what I have said earlier - if two people love each other and are happy together, I'm happy for them. I have absolutely no problem with OTHER people having sex with a transsexual, but I certainly don't want that for myself. Understand?

"4.my opinion is you've never had sex"

Oh my...
 
2009-11-27 10:04:44 PM  
SanDamiano: SakuraDensetsu:
Easy fix ; get your doctor to prescribe Seasondale

It is a strong birth control with a decent level of Estrogen and Progesterone in it.

Where can I find more information on this? A Google search for Seasondale doesn't provide any useful results.


Ask your doctor. Seasondale also has its own website. Progesterone is important when taking hormones. Two hormones govern your sex drive; testosterone (men and women) and progesterone (just women). Adding estrogen or taking a blocker (especially taking a blocker) can drop your testosterone levels allot and effectively neuter your sex drive, taking progesterone will counter this and for a majority of women improve how they enjoy sex overall.
 
2009-11-27 10:05:16 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: Gramma: SakuraDensetsu: Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

It IS the neutral pronoun. Sheesh. Calling a person "they" is asinine.

"IT" is neutral yes, but refers to an object.

Really. Would you accept people en mass calling you IT?


This guy doesn't mind. (Often mistaken for ZZ Top.)
www.potatoeland.com
 
2009-11-27 10:06:33 PM  
Knara: SakuraDensetsu: Lol

Sakura Densetsu = Legend of the Cherry Blossoms. Cherry Blossoms are the symbol of spring, of rebirth. I chose the name Sakura because of this when I started my Transition. Eventually outgrew it and settled on my Mothers name; Patricia.

Cool Story Time;

I was told that my mom was kinda doped up after the C section when I was born. When asked for my name she gave my first name. When asked for a middle name she said Patricia, nurses made it Patrick.

So my mother actually named me Patricia. One of the reasons I chose it.

I am not only Trans, I am Intersexed. I have Chimerism, I was fraternal twins of opposite gender and one absorbed the other. This story and a load of other similar has brought up the conclusion that my parents knew I was Intersexed at birth, and doctors instructed them to raise me male. I really wish they hadn't removed my Ovaries.

Cool story br... er... yeah

Still not sure if want.

Explain to me why TGs always seem to have huge penors.


Your sampling size is wat? LoL I said size, really now
 
2009-11-27 10:06:34 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: Gramma: SakuraDensetsu: Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

It IS the neutral pronoun. Sheesh. Calling a person "they" is asinine.

"IT" is neutral yes, but refers to an object.

Really. Would you accept people en mass calling you IT?


The secondary usage for 'it' is when the gender is unknown. If a person appears to be female, one should use the female pronouns. If a person appears to be male, one should use the male pronouns. If you can't tell, 'it' is appropriate. I do think that if someone is transgendered, the pronoun should be the one that the person prefers. I certainly don't check inside anyone's pants when deciding which pronoun to use.
And anyone that would like to refer to me as 'it' is welcome to do so. I don't give a rat's patootie.
 
2009-11-27 10:11:59 PM  
Gramma: RadicalMiddle: Gramma: SakuraDensetsu: Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

It IS the neutral pronoun. Sheesh. Calling a person "they" is asinine.

Try "the person"

My rule is that if the person seems to be a woman, I use 'she'. If the person seems to be a man, I use 'he'. If I'm utterly confused, the person will be 'it' until I can figure out which one applies.


Fair enough; but now that you are being informed that the majority of people when called "IT" are massively offended, doesn't it strike you as hateful and/or massively rude to refer to any human being as "IT"?

Think what you like about proper use of words; however if all you can think of this is "this is an acceptable word to use to describe people" and care not at all for the people you are using it to describe, then you are an inconciderate ignorant duechebag. You prefer to be right at the expense of other human beings self worth.

Think for a moment; truthfully, how would you feel if a a lerge part of the population referred to you as "IT"?
 
2009-11-27 10:13:40 PM  
casey17: SanDamiano:

Where can I find more information on this? A Google search for Seasondale doesn't provide any useful results.


I think she means Seasonale.

Link (new window)


lol thanks
 
2009-11-27 10:14:00 PM  
No downside to either leaving the toilet seat up, for now.
 
2009-11-27 10:14:32 PM  
Atomic Spunk: tinfoil-hat maggie:
1. I don't believe you're straight
2.well,you may be a troll
3.you're in this thread why?
4.my opinion is you've never had sex
//slashies yaa I went there

*Yawn* Here we go. Another "I don't agree with you so you must be a troll" response. And you combined that with a "you expressed a personal dislike for transsexualism/homosexualism so you are secretly gay" response. Get some new shtick - yours has worn thin.

The original reason I responded in this thread was when some idiot made the assumption that most guys don't care if their "female" sex partner used to be a man. Bullshiat. I don't know for sure because I haven't seen any reliable studies, but based on my middle-of-the-road beliefs, I'd say that there are very few straight guys that wouldn't consider "used to be a man" to be a total deal-killer. If you are a transsexual, or if you have a liking for things transsexual, your tastes may have merit, but they are out of touch with what MOST people think is acceptable. If you honestly think that transsexualism is something that is liked by the general population, I'd like to see some evidence. The fact is, MOST people see transsexualism as a sexual perversion. That doesn't make that opinion right, that is just what most people believe.

And for SakuraDensetsu to suggest that she knows straight guys better than I do? Well, that's just ludicrous. Read my response again to understand the reasons.

I will state what I have said earlier - if two people love each other and are happy together, I'm happy for them. I have absolutely no problem with OTHER people having sex with a transsexual, but I certainly don't want that for myself. Understand?

"4.my opinion is you've never had sex"

Oh my...


Married (to a very womanly woman) straight guy here.

If it has a vagina (and hips, and breasts), I don't care how they got there.
 
2009-11-27 10:14:36 PM  
SakuraDensetsu:
And I can tell you; put the majority of straight boys in a situation where they are sure nobody would know, and they won't really care where they stick it.


I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this point because neither of us will ever really know for sure.
 
2009-11-27 10:17:56 PM  
Atomic Spunk: SakuraDensetsu:
And I can tell you; put the majority of straight boys in a situation where they are sure nobody would know, and they won't really care where they stick it.


I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this point because neither of us will ever really know for sure.


That is fine, because I am pretty sure this will go nowhere.
 
2009-11-27 10:17:58 PM  
SoothinglyDeranged: Heterosexual = attracted purely to female features

Homosexual = attracted purely to male features

People who can be attracted to either and/or have been in relationships with both are in fact neither hetero nor homosexual. There is in fact a reason for the term bisexual.


So most women are homosexual?
 
2009-11-27 10:18:19 PM  
Atomic Spunk: Even a very attractive transsexual would make nearly every straight man recoil in disgust if he knew the truth.

I'll tell you right now, if a post-op tranny that looked like Megan Fox hit on me, I'd fark her/him silly.
Luckily, I've never seen a tranny that looked anything like Megan Fox, so my straight orientation status remains unchallenged.
 
2009-11-27 10:19:00 PM  
Atomic Spunk: tinfoil-hat maggie:
1. I don't believe you're straight
2.well,you may be a troll
3.you're in this thread why?
4.my opinion is you've never had sex
//slashies yaa I went there

*Yawn* Here we go. Another "I don't agree with you so you must be a troll" response. And you combined that with a "you expressed a personal dislike for transsexualism/homosexualism so you are secretly gay" response. Get some new shtick - yours has worn thin.

The original reason I responded in this thread was when some idiot made the assumption that most guys don't care if their "female" sex partner used to be a man. Bullshiat. I don't know for sure because I haven't seen any reliable studies, but based on my middle-of-the-road beliefs, I'd say that there are very few straight guys that wouldn't consider "used to be a man" to be a total deal-killer. If you are a transsexual, or if you have a liking for things transsexual, your tastes may have merit, but they are out of touch with what MOST people think is acceptable. If you honestly think that transsexualism is something that is liked by the general population, I'd like to see some evidence. The fact is, MOST people see transsexualism as a sexual perversion. That doesn't make that opinion right, that is just what most people believe.

And for SakuraDensetsu to suggest that she knows straight guys better than I do? Well, that's just ludicrous. Read my response again to understand the reasons.

I will state what I have said earlier - if two people love each other and are happy together, I'm happy for them. I have absolutely no problem with OTHER people having sex with a transsexual, but I certainly don't want that for myself. Understand?

"4.my opinion is you've never had sex"

Oh my...


You never answered question number #1
Sorry you sound gay, do you like generalizations?
The fact is, MOST people see transsexualism as a sexual perversion. those are your words you're a troll and the worst kind of troll.
See trans people may read this thread, they might even believe what you write is true and well way to many trans people kill themselves every year.
/So eat your leftover turky and STFU
//LOL
/ Always wanted a good reason to say STFU
 
2009-11-27 10:20:37 PM  
Wow, all this controversy over a penis. Let's face it guys, we've been playing with one most of our lives.
 
2009-11-27 10:21:10 PM  
aagrajag: You are so on my favs now and your wife is a lucky woman
 
2009-11-27 10:23:54 PM  
SakuraDensetsu:
lol thanks


No prob!

okami36: SoothinglyDeranged: Heterosexual = attracted purely to female features


Homosexual = attracted purely to male features

People who can be attracted to either and/or have been in relationships with both are in fact neither hetero nor homosexual. There is in fact a reason for the term bisexual.

So most women are homosexual?


That was my question as well. Guess I'd better break the news to my bf.
 
2009-11-27 10:26:48 PM  
RadicalMiddle: Wow, all this controversy over a penis. Let's face it guys, we've been playing with one most of our lives.

well, it's not like most guys would play with another guys penis just as readily at their own penis.
 
2009-11-27 10:27:36 PM  
tinfoil-hat maggie: Atomic Spunk: tinfoil-hat maggie:
1. I don't believe you're straight
2.well,you may be a troll
3.you're in this thread why?
4.my opinion is you've never had sex
//slashies yaa I went there

*Yawn* Here we go. Another "I don't agree with you so you must be a troll" response. And you combined that with a "you expressed a personal dislike for transsexualism/homosexualism so you are secretly gay" response. Get some new shtick - yours has worn thin.

The original reason I responded in this thread was when some idiot made the assumption that most guys don't care if their "female" sex partner used to be a man. Bullshiat. I don't know for sure because I haven't seen any reliable studies, but based on my middle-of-the-road beliefs, I'd say that there are very few straight guys that wouldn't consider "used to be a man" to be a total deal-killer. If you are a transsexual, or if you have a liking for things transsexual, your tastes may have merit, but they are out of touch with what MOST people think is acceptable. If you honestly think that transsexualism is something that is liked by the general population, I'd like to see some evidence. The fact is, MOST people see transsexualism as a sexual perversion. That doesn't make that opinion right, that is just what most people believe.

And for SakuraDensetsu to suggest that she knows straight guys better than I do? Well, that's just ludicrous. Read my response again to understand the reasons.

I will state what I have said earlier - if two people love each other and are happy together, I'm happy for them. I have absolutely no problem with OTHER people having sex with a transsexual, but I certainly don't want that for myself. Understand?

"4.my opinion is you've never had sex"

Oh my...

You never answered question number #1
Sorry you sound gay, do you like generalizations?
The fact is, MOST people see transsexualism as a sexual perversion. those are your words you're a troll and the worst kind of troll.
See trans people may read this thread, they might even believe what you write is true and well way to many trans people kill themselves every year.
/So eat your leftover turky and STFU
//LOL
/ Always wanted a good reason to say STFU


This

This is the reason I debate the issue. Arguing on a forum is like the special olympics, so they say.

I have no intention of changing the minds of the person I am debating, my intention is giving correct information for those who need it. So they do not feel like freaks.

More often haters are Trolls and do not mean all of what they say, they just like raising hackles for shiats. This is even worse than actually meaning it, it is a worse kind of idiot. Spreading hate because all you know is hate is one thing, spreading hate because it is fun is deplorable. It is damaging in the worst way, because it amplifies the real hate and aims it at the victems.
 
2009-11-27 10:27:40 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: They don't, but more money is made off of the ones who do.

Hormones cause some shrinkage...sometimes allot.

I've met plenty who have small ones and a few with large ones. When scouting Tranny prostitutes to make your porno, which ones are you going to take?


This is why I said "selection bias is biased" earlier, *but* let's take Line Trap / Harlequinn / Whateverhhernameis now. She isn't a porn star, just a very effeminate buy on hormones, and yet, giant cock. Not to mention the amateur camwhores who are TG that are all above average.

It perplexes me.
 
2009-11-27 10:28:30 PM  
casey17: SakuraDensetsu:
lol thanks

No prob!

okami36: SoothinglyDeranged: Heterosexual = attracted purely to female features


Homosexual = attracted purely to male features

People who can be attracted to either and/or have been in relationships with both are in fact neither hetero nor homosexual. There is in fact a reason for the term bisexual.

So most women are homosexual?

That was my question as well. Guess I'd better break the news to my bf.


I can see that conversation, LoL
-Honey I have to tell you...
/sorry I need to stop there, um, copyrights and things, lol
 
2009-11-27 10:29:24 PM  
Knara: SakuraDensetsu: They don't, but more money is made off of the ones who do.

Hormones cause some shrinkage...sometimes allot.

I've met plenty who have small ones and a few with large ones. When scouting Tranny prostitutes to make your porno, which ones are you going to take?

This is why I said "selection bias is biased" earlier, *but* let's take Line Trap / Harlequinn / Whateverhhernameis now. She isn't a porn star, just a very effeminate buy on hormones, and yet, giant cock. Not to mention the amateur camwhores who are TG that are all above average.

It perplexes me.


People who have are more likely to want to flaunt
 
2009-11-27 10:33:49 PM  
Question;

Who do you think is more likely to have a long fulfilling and happy marriage

The couple who are picky about off gender body parts, or the tranny and the straight boy who is willing to see passed a few inches of extra flesh to be with what he feels is an amazing woman?

Someone who can see past a penis is more likely going to be fine when their spouse gets older or potentially gains an illness such as MS or Cancer or loses a limb or is confined to a wheel chair.
 
2009-11-27 10:35:31 PM  
I would not hit it. He's all pale and shiny with a big nose. The cute little mexican I would do.
 
2009-11-27 10:39:01 PM  
Bhasayate: RadicalMiddle: Wow, all this controversy over a penis. Let's face it guys, we've been playing with one most of our lives.

well, it's not like most guys would play with another guys penis just as readily at their own penis.


Well no, but freaking out over it seems just plain odd. We should accept it works for them and move on.

The point is, it's not important what your personal preference in sexual partner and soul-mate may be. There is no real point in attacking other people's preferences.

I truly think that it isn't so much about the penis. It's that a guy knows how sexually aggressive he feels, and are afraid of that in a partner. I think that if my wife thought like me, I'd freak out a bit.
 
2009-11-27 10:40:06 PM  
cambie: Sorry, but no, I wouldn't hit it. Not unless you mean with a baseball bat.

One sick fark.

DIAF, hater.
 
2009-11-27 10:40:13 PM  
cambie: Sorry, but no, I wouldn't hit it. Not unless you mean with a baseball bat.

profile: I'm a Texan that doesn't sound or act the way everyone seems to expect a Texan to sound or act like.

Yeah, not at all what I'd expect from a Texan.
 
2009-11-27 10:45:36 PM  
Also, I'm happy they are in love and all, but I am a bit too neurotic to be able to have sex with someone that has a penis.

I if he takes he/she from behind, he would be a selfish husband if he didn't reciprocate somehow... which means playing with his wife's peen or even taking it in.

I'm not sure how you could do manual, oral, or anal with someone's peen and not be considered gay.
 
2009-11-27 10:45:46 PM  
tinfoil-hat maggie:
You never answered question number #1
Sorry you sound gay, do you like generalizations?
The fact is, MOST people see transsexualism as a sexual perversion. those are your words you're a troll and the worst kind of troll.
See trans people may read this thread, they might even believe what you write is true and well way to many trans people kill themselves every year.
/So eat your leftover turky and STFU
//LOL
/ Always wanted a good reason to say STFU


I didn't think it was necessary to answer question #1, but since you want an answer - I am straight. And in case you're wondering, I've never had sex with another man, nor have I ever wanted to. I have only had sex with women.

As to my comment that most people view transsexualism as a sexual perversion, I meant no offense. And it's not something I even personally believe. But I have enough knowledge on the subject to know that transsexuals face considerable hurdles getting by in daily life - getting a job, renting an apartment, even volunteering to help. My daughter has a classmate who has a transsexual father (now mother). When we were planning a field trip, (s)he volunteered to be one of the chaperones. You should have heard the vociferous disapprovals from the parents in that meeting. Not surprisingly, the transsexual parent was asked not to attend the field trip.

Why do you think transsexuals face so many obstacles in life? It's because their sexual proclivities are strongly disapproved of by the general population. Doesn't mean it's right - that's just the way it is. If you really believe the general population is accepting of transsexuals, I'd like to hear why. But the evidence , based on people's behavior towards transsexuals, seems to be clearly on my side.
 
2009-11-27 10:46:52 PM  
RadicalMiddle: Bhasayate: RadicalMiddle: Wow, all this controversy over a penis. Let's face it guys, we've been playing with one most of our lives.

well, it's not like most guys would play with another guys penis just as readily at their own penis.

Well no, but freaking out over it seems just plain odd. We should accept it works for them and move on.

The point is, it's not important what your personal preference in sexual partner and soul-mate may be. There is no real point in attacking other people's preferences.

I truly think that it isn't so much about the penis. It's that a guy knows how sexually aggressive he feels, and are afraid of that in a partner. I think that if my wife thought like me, I'd freak out a bit.


I didn't get my last thought in. Whatever your preferences are in sexual and life partner are your business. We shouldn't be judging each other.
 
2009-11-27 10:52:57 PM  
surrenderyoursushi: Oh man. I party in K.L. regularly and this is a common thing. The clubs are filled with trannies and the Arab and Western guys who don't seem to pick up on (or perhaps choose to ignore) the size 11 high heels or adam's apples.

I am a 5'11" woman who wears size 11 and sometimes even 12 heels. I'm going to go cry in a corner now. Thanks, asshole.
 
2009-11-27 10:57:58 PM  
BackAssward: cambie: Sorry, but no, I wouldn't hit it. Not unless you mean with a baseball bat.

profile: I'm a Texan that doesn't sound or act the way everyone seems to expect a Texan to sound or act like.

Yeah, not at all what I'd expect from a Texan.


Not all of us are like that, though...
 
2009-11-27 11:02:33 PM  
keypusher: Genevieve Marie: pheed: even one that looks exactly like a female (on the outside) would at the very least be psychologically confusing.

That just tells me that you're very hung up on the social constructs surrounding gender. Someone with AIS even appears female externally naturally, not from surgery. For all intents and purposes, she's a woman and always has been. She just has a birth defect that shouldn't affect the way anyone else looks at her.

God, I hate it when intelligent people use their intelligence to talk themselves into utter tosh.


What exactly did I say that isn't accurate? Being born intersex is definitely a birth defect, and it shouldn't be what defines people for the rest of their lives. In this case we were talking above, she didn't even know she had AIS until high school, which means she had a case so complete she was born looking exactly like a female down to external genitalia and thought of herself as a woman as well. So who's to say she's not? Gender is pretty complicated and pretending it's not is intellectually dishonest.
 
2009-11-27 11:13:06 PM  
tinfoil-hat maggie: Heroic Poser: Somacandra: Heroic Poser: I feel lucky to have met such a caring, wonderful person.

Good save, dude.

This may be hard to grasp, but for a significant portion of the human community plumbing is secondary to other concerns.

Lighten up, Francine.

Wow a guy that dresses up as a storm trooper is unforgiving of other peoples differences.
Wow you're gay. I mean gay in a way that not even gay people can achieve. I'm mean gay like you made videos of toys sorta gay.
Boys having sex with boys isn't even half as gay as you are.
Am I done yet? Yea I guess I am and you were on my fav lists, but you're one big queer ass stormtrooper.


Wow. All those bigoted phrases. Look who came out to post. What? The Klan Arts & Crafts seminar get over early?
I'll have you know, you bigot, that I'm even gayer than that.
I once had Richard Simmons ride on my lap during a gay pride parade while I sat on a bike with no seat all the while the last American Idol winner made out with me in from of the Today Show staff.
 
2009-11-27 11:18:44 PM  
If I'm gonna fark a girl who used to be a guy, he damn well better have bigger tits than that.
 
2009-11-27 11:19:36 PM  
I think I HAVE done her...
 
2009-11-27 11:22:03 PM  
RamblinReck89: If I'm gonna fark a girl who used to be a guy, he damn well better have bigger tits than that.

I noticed you didn't indicate not having a penis...
 
2009-11-27 11:24:57 PM  
RadicalMiddle: ratboy: RadicalMiddle: ratboy: From an economic standpoint, it's likely way cheaper to give shim the parts she wants rather than to untangle the Gordian Knot causing her unhappiness.

You operate under the assumption that she is not happy. I would think she is.

Happy people do not have unnecessary plastic surgery on their genitalia. In 53 years I've not considered the option of removing my genitals, although my penis has at times treated me cruelly.
As far as I'm concerned, hack away! It's no skin off of my....

Rear FTA, She is not considering surgery. She made a decision and is happy with it. She also found someone who loves her the way she is. What's not to be happy about?


From TFA:
Ian married 36-year-old Fatine, who is a pre-op transsexual, in a British civil partnership ceremony in May.

I didn't get to the part where the lady-boy turns out to be a sissy about the surgery. Rather than point and laugh at the happy couple, I've decided they deserve my apathy.

Meh.
 
2009-11-27 11:27:45 PM  
Gramma: My rule is that if the person seems to be a woman, I use 'she'. If the person seems to be a man, I use 'he'. If I'm utterly confused, the person will be 'it' until I can figure out which one applies.

Why not use "s/he" or some variation if you're not sure? "It" may be appropriately gender-neutral, but hopefully you agree that it also has strong dehumanizing connotations.
 
2009-11-27 11:29:28 PM  
patternmatch: Why not use "s/he" or some variation if you're not sure? "It" may be appropriately gender-neutral, but hopefully you agree that it also has strong dehumanizing connotations.

My rule is to use the gender the person identifies with as the gender I use when addressing them. If I'm not sure, I use gender neutral terms until I am- you can just use someone's name you know rather than referring to them by the same pronoun you'd use for a table.
 
2009-11-27 11:31:07 PM  
ratboy: RadicalMiddle: ratboy: RadicalMiddle: ratboy: From an economic standpoint, it's likely way cheaper to give shim the parts she wants rather than to untangle the Gordian Knot causing her unhappiness.

You operate under the assumption that she is not happy. I would think she is.

Happy people do not have unnecessary plastic surgery on their genitalia. In 53 years I've not considered the option of removing my genitals, although my penis has at times treated me cruelly.
As far as I'm concerned, hack away! It's no skin off of my....

Rear FTA, She is not considering surgery. She made a decision and is happy with it. She also found someone who loves her the way she is. What's not to be happy about?

From TFA:
Ian married 36-year-old Fatine, who is a pre-op transsexual, in a British civil partnership ceremony in May.

I didn't get to the part where the lady-boy turns out to be a sissy about the surgery. Rather than point and laugh at the happy couple, I've decided they deserve my apathy.

Meh.


Yet you keep writing in this thread. That shows a great deal more than apathy.
 
2009-11-27 11:32:06 PM  
pheed: I went to my freshman homecoming dance with a girl who had Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. Thankfully I didn't find out about the AIS until I was much older. Still, though, kind of odd to think about. My date was genetically male, but from all outward appearances was a girl. Not only a girl, but an attractive girl! A girl I had known since I was in kindergarten!

/Did not tap that.
//Pretty glad about that...
///Cool story, bro.


Yeah but a chick with AIS doesn't have, and never had, a penis. Nor was she ever thought of as a man. IIRC, in a girl with AIS, the only indication that she's male is that she has a Y chromosome. Even the girl would need a microscope and a biopsy to tell. It's probably an arbitrary distinction, but I'd tap your AIS friend and pass on the actual trannies (including post-ops, sorry).

So, actually, I think you've just helped me figure out where I draw my little line. Which I guess means I'm a tiny bit gayer than when I woke up this morning. I blame Obama.
 
2009-11-27 11:32:54 PM  
Genevieve Marie: patternmatch: Why not use "s/he" or some variation if you're not sure? "It" may be appropriately gender-neutral, but hopefully you agree that it also has strong dehumanizing connotations.

My rule is to use the gender the person identifies with as the gender I use when addressing them. If I'm not sure, I use gender neutral terms until I am- you can just use someone's name you know rather than referring to them by the same pronoun you'd use for a table.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-11-27 11:38:09 PM  
SakuraDensetsu: Gramma: RadicalMiddle: Gramma: SakuraDensetsu: Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

It IS the neutral pronoun. Sheesh. Calling a person "they" is asinine.

Try "the person"

My rule is that if the person seems to be a woman, I use 'she'. If the person seems to be a man, I use 'he'. If I'm utterly confused, the person will be 'it' until I can figure out which one applies.

Fair enough; but now that you are being informed that the majority of people when called "IT" are massively offended, doesn't it strike you as hateful and/or massively rude to refer to any human being as "IT"?

Think what you like about proper use of words; however if all you can think of this is "this is an acceptable word to use to describe people" and care not at all for the people you are using it to describe, then you are an inconciderate ignorant duechebag. You prefer to be right at the expense of other human beings self worth.

Think for a moment; truthfully, how would you feel if a a lerge part of the population referred to you as "IT"?


Do you speak for the majority of people? The number of people I have encountered in my lifetime that I could not identify as male or female, except for small children, probably totals less than 10. I agree that if a person identifies as female, she should be referred to as 'she'. Same thing for someone that identifies as a man, he's a he. I do not care what is in their pants, it is none of my business. But if someone is so 'gender neutral' that I haven't a clue what pronoun to use, then I will use 'it'.

Large numbers of people would not call me 'it' because I am obviously a woman.
 
2009-11-27 11:39:49 PM  
Atomic Spunk: But one thing for certain is that guys who hang out with you like transsexuals.

Not to argue, but I work with a post-op M-F, and she likes to shoot the breeze. I'm technically hanging out, but have NO interest in anyone but my wife. You can be around 'em without being entranced by 'em. What, you thought they didn't have jobs outside the gay bars?
 
2009-11-27 11:40:10 PM  
I actually would hit "it".

With a goddamn car.

/Chopping off yer cock doesn't make you a chick
//Trannies are self-mutilating mental cases
 
2009-11-27 11:43:41 PM  
Wow, a lot of trannies hang out on fark...

/Not that theres anything wrong with that
 
2009-11-27 11:44:42 PM  
I'm also a straight man from Texas, and maybe my view actually is a little surprising. I do not find her particularly attractive, regardless of her plumbing. I do think I'd have a hard time getting over her having genitalia that matches my own, no matter how awesome sword fights would be.

That being said, there seems to be a lot of confusion about what to call Fatine. She's not a "she", a s/he, or a he or she. She's a she. The non-asshole thing to call a pre-op transsexual is the gender they'll be if or when they get the surgery.

Honestly, I find it fairly impressive and progressive that a straight man is able to get over the plumbing.
 
2009-11-27 11:57:09 PM  
::whew!:: No Gorgor posts!
 
2009-11-28 12:06:07 AM  
uncletogie: Atomic Spunk: But one thing for certain is that guys who hang out with you like transsexuals.

Not to argue, but I work with a post-op M-F, and she likes to shoot the breeze. I'm technically hanging out, but have NO interest in anyone but my wife.


You like to "shoot the breeze" and hang out with the TS, so wouldn't it be accurate to say that you like her? I didn't mean "like" as in lust, but rather you enjoy being around her.

Context: I said this because Sakura originally claimed that she knew more about straight men than I did. I said that's not the true because there are probably a lot of straight guys that wouldn't want to hang out with her because she's a transsexual, whereas the straight guys that I hang out with are more representative of straight guys as a whole.

She also claimed that most straight guys actually WANT to have sex with a transsexual, but that fear of societal repercussions is what prevents them from acting on it. This is absolutely ludicrous. If you weren't married, would you have sex with a TS? I think for a great majority of straight men, that answer would be "absolutely not".
 
2009-11-28 12:07:51 AM  
Genevieve Marie: patternmatch: Why not use "s/he" or some variation if you're not sure? "It" may be appropriately gender-neutral, but hopefully you agree that it also has strong dehumanizing connotations.

My rule is to use the gender the person identifies with as the gender I use when addressing them. If I'm not sure, I use gender neutral terms until I am- you can just use someone's name you know rather than referring to them by the same pronoun you'd use for a table.


Thank you
 
2009-11-28 12:15:48 AM  
Gramma: SakuraDensetsu: Gramma: RadicalMiddle: Gramma: SakuraDensetsu: Like I said, if you cannot call them by their preferred pronoun, use something neutral. Them, Their, They, etc.

It IS the neutral pronoun. Sheesh. Calling a person "they" is asinine.

Try "the person"

My rule is that if the person seems to be a woman, I use 'she'. If the person seems to be a man, I use 'he'. If I'm utterly confused, the person will be 'it' until I can figure out which one applies.

Fair enough; but now that you are being informed that the majority of people when called "IT" are massively offended, doesn't it strike you as hateful and/or massively rude to refer to any human being as "IT"?

Think what you like about proper use of words; however if all you can think of this is "this is an acceptable word to use to describe people" and care not at all for the people you are using it to describe, then you are an inconciderate ignorant duechebag. You prefer to be right at the expense of other human beings self worth.

Think for a moment; truthfully, how would you feel if a a lerge part of the population referred to you as "IT"?

Do you speak for the majority of people? The number of people I have encountered in my lifetime that I could not identify as male or female, except for small children, probably totals less than 10. I agree that if a person identifies as female, she should be referred to as 'she'. Same thing for someone that identifies as a man, he's a he. I do not care what is in their pants, it is none of my business. But if someone is so 'gender neutral' that I haven't a clue what pronoun to use, then I will use 'it'.

Large numbers of people would not call me 'it' because I am obviously a woman.


Anybody I have ever met who is called IT regularly hates it more than just about anything. I can say I do speak for a majority. I have yet to meet a trans person or anyone with a hormonal imbalance whom has ever said they do not mind it.

If you like, give me your email and I can pass it on to the majority and they can tell you directly how they feel about it.

And even if I speak for a minority ; why avoid "their, them, they" which hurts nobody over using "It" which clearly offends many?
 
2009-11-28 12:22:24 AM  
Genevieve Marie
In this case we were talking above, she didn't even know she had AIS until high school, which means she had a case so complete she was born looking exactly like a female down to external genitalia and thought of herself as a woman as well. So who's to say she's not? Gender is pretty complicated and pretending it's not is intellectually dishonest.

I never said gender wasn't complicated. In fact, you can look up the thread and see me say that gender identity is flexible. Now, I'll also say that for as flexible as gender can be, it can also be equally rigid (cue Beavis and Butthead sound effects). In my case, my gender identity would exclude my AIS friend from the possible pool of sex partners.

What I find so intellectually dishonest about your position is that you would (I assume) NEVER impose the same kind of standards in reverse. If your gay male friends didn't want to stick it to their hot, straight female friend (even if they cut their hair and dressed up like a dude first) you'd never accuse them of being heterophobes. You wouldn't expect them to say, "It's all good, you look enough like a guy, let's fark!"

From my perspective, it feels as though I'm being accused of being a homophobe because I'd rather not have sex with a friend with AIS. Is sexual preference something you're born with or something you choose? I'd be willing to bet you'd say that one is born with it. Well, the sexual preference I was born with would tell me to avoid sex with my AIS friend. That's the preference I was born with and that should be OK, yes? It's not a choice -- or do you disagree?

You asked earlier, "who's to say your friend isn't a woman?" Well, her biology says so -- she doesn't have a uterus or ovaries. And that's where I draw my line. I won't have sex with someone who was born with testes (even if they're internal).

Oh and LOL on Deez Nutz. Hilarious!
 
2009-11-28 12:37:36 AM  
pheed: Genevieve Marie
In this case we were talking above, she didn't even know she had AIS until high school, which means she had a case so complete she was born looking exactly like a female down to external genitalia and thought of herself as a woman as well. So who's to say she's not? Gender is pretty complicated and pretending it's not is intellectually dishonest.

I never said gender wasn't complicated. In fact, you can look up the thread and see me say that gender identity is flexible. Now, I'll also say that for as flexible as gender can be, it can also be equally rigid (cue Beavis and Butthead sound effects). In my case, my gender identity would exclude my AIS friend from the possible pool of sex partners.

What I find so intellectually dishonest about your position is that you would (I assume) NEVER impose the same kind of standards in reverse. If your gay male friends didn't want to stick it to their hot, straight female friend (even if they cut their hair and dressed up like a dude first) you'd never accuse them of being heterophobes. You wouldn't expect them to say, "It's all good, you look enough like a guy, let's fark!"

From my perspective, it feels as though I'm being accused of being a homophobe because I'd rather not have sex with a friend with AIS. Is sexual preference something you're born with or something you choose? I'd be willing to bet you'd say that one is born with it. Well, the sexual preference I was born with would tell me to avoid sex with my AIS friend. That's the preference I was born with and that should be OK, yes? It's not a choice -- or do you disagree?

You asked earlier, "who's to say your friend isn't a woman?" Well, her biology says so -- she doesn't have a uterus or ovaries. And that's where I draw my line. I won't have sex with someone who was born with testes (even if they're internal).

Oh and LOL on Deez Nutz. Hilarious!


I have no issue with people who would never want to have sex with a tranny. It really is no different than not being attracted to certain hair colors.

My concern is how people treat others both in person and when discussing them as a group.

All I see in this thread is allot of ePenis. Guys showing off how masculine and straight they are by seeing who can be the most anti-trans.

People here are talking about violence. Even in Jest, it is very damaging. It sends the wrong message to those impressionable both whom are normal and straight and those whom are struggling with their own gender issues.
 
2009-11-28 12:40:27 AM  
Froman: RamblinReck89: If I'm gonna fark a girl who used to be a guy, he damn well better have bigger tits than that.

I noticed you didn't indicate not having a penis...


I was under the impression that not having a penis was a given on anyone claiming to be a woman. But then again, I prefer it be a given that not having a Y chromosome also be a qualifier for anyone claiming to be a woman.

/out of witty responses
 
2009-11-28 12:44:25 AM  
th04.deviantart.net

Approves
 
2009-11-28 01:01:22 AM  
blog.internetnews.com
 
2009-11-28 01:43:43 AM  
www.neatorama.com


I'm not offended by homosexuality. In the 60's I made love to many, many women, often outdoors, in the mud and the rain... and it's possible a man slipped in. [shrugs] There'd be no way of knowing.
 
2009-11-28 02:38:12 AM  
Approves:

i46.tinypic.com

/"Love has no boundaries, race, or gender"
//Rock 'N Roll!!
///drink x 3
 
2009-11-28 02:55:46 AM  
look up a woman named bianca freire on google images. she is absolutely gorgeous, and she has a dick.
 
2009-11-28 03:02:13 AM  
okami36: BackAssward: cambie: Sorry, but no, I wouldn't hit it. Not unless you mean with a baseball bat.

profile: I'm a Texan that doesn't sound or act the way everyone seems to expect a Texan to sound or act like.

Yeah, not at all what I'd expect from a Texan.

Not all of us are like that, though...


I know not all Texans are. The point is that he claims to not be a stereotypical Texan but acts like one. Where are you are talking about Texans that aren't like the stenotype. I was more pointing out his delusions about himself.
 
2009-11-28 03:06:34 AM  
Paulistinian: I actually would hit "it".

With a goddamn car.

/Chopping off yer cock doesn't make you a chick
//Trannies are self-mutilating mental cases


And commenting without reading the article does make you look stupid. You're hateful post is full of insecurity, and stupidity since he/she still has a penis.
 
2009-11-28 03:07:25 AM  
blog.internetnews.com
 
2009-11-28 04:57:45 AM  
Atomic Spunk: I am straight. And in case you're wondering, I've never had sex with another man, nor have I ever wanted to. I have only had sex with women.

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

Again, brain scans reveal transexuals have more in common mentally with the gender they identify with than their outward appearance - mentally they are female. How is it not incredibly ignorant and close minded to be predudiced against someone because of what is essentially a birth defect? Especially since we have surgery now that can mostly correct it?

I don't get why this is so hard for people to understand.

We are as a society WAY too hung up on gender. Example - pheed saying how glad he was that he didn't sleep with an attractive woman because he later found she had AIS - her body and brain would have been entirely feminine, she would have been born a woman in every way detectable by science until the last century or so, but b/c she had a male chromosome apparently it would have been "gay", somehow.
 
2009-11-28 06:48:40 AM  
aagrajag: Chowder_17: attention span of a retarded fruit fly: I just though of this ...

Someday he will wake up next to a 60 old tiny Asian man. Asian woman age ok...the men...umm not so much....

Disagree...been stationed in Korea and women hit the "brick wall" at age 35. They go with the short, cury permed hair and its downhill from there...

Agree. It's not just Koreans though, it's Asians in general. I'm in Japan, and I know some chicks who were hot ten minutes ago.


Isn't that just a little bit racist?
 
2009-11-28 07:07:25 AM  
mud_shark: aagrajag: Chowder_17: attention span of a retarded fruit fly: I just though of this ...

Someday he will wake up next to a 60 old tiny Asian man. Asian woman age ok...the men...umm not so much....

Disagree...been stationed in Korea and women hit the "brick wall" at age 35. They go with the short, cury permed hair and its downhill from there...

Agree. It's not just Koreans though, it's Asians in general. I'm in Japan, and I know some chicks who were hot ten minutes ago.

Isn't that just a little bit racist?


Nothing racist about it; it's a fact.

For some reason, Asian chicks are quite attractive when young, but they rapidly age past the point of hitability after about 35.

I've lived in Japan for 4 years now; I've also traveled in Korea and China. I speak not from stereotypes, but from experience.

As an aside, Russian women seem to suffer from the same problem; and I firmly believe they are the most staggeringly beautiful females on earth.

//Frankly, if I ever moved to Russia, I really don't know which would fall off first: my liver or my penis
 
2009-11-28 07:44:25 AM  
aagrajag: mud_shark: aagrajag: Chowder_17: attention span of a retarded fruit fly: I just though of this ...

Someday he will wake up next to a 60 old tiny Asian man. Asian woman age ok...the men...umm not so much....

Disagree...been stationed in Korea and women hit the "brick wall" at age 35. They go with the short, cury permed hair and its downhill from there...

Agree. It's not just Koreans though, it's Asians in general. I'm in Japan, and I know some chicks who were hot ten minutes ago.

Isn't that just a little bit racist?

Nothing racist about it; it's a fact.

For some reason, Asian chicks are quite attractive when young, but they rapidly age past the point of hitability after about 35.



I can't say that it's not true in general, but I've seen enough 40-ish Asian women to doubt it. Yeah, sure a lot of Asian womena after age 35 don't look so good. Tell me the same thing isn't true of white or black women.

And about Asian chicks being attractive when they're young, I've seen enough young Asian chicks to know that they're not all attractive. It's easy to remember the hot ones and it's also easy to block the ugly ones out of your memory.

I've lived in Japan for 4 years now; I've also traveled in Korea and China. I speak not from stereotypes, but from experience.

As an aside, Russian women seem to suffer from the same problem; and I firmly believe they are the most staggeringly beautiful females on earth.

//Frankly, if I ever moved to Russia, I really don't know which would fall off first: my liver or my penis


Russian chicks are hot! I know 'cuz I've seen them on the internets. Of course they're also butt-ugly and I know that from long-term stereotypes as well as the internet.

When you speak of these Russian women, do you mean this?

defencedebates.files.wordpress.com

Or do you mean this?

www.timcopejourneys.com
 
2009-11-28 08:20:16 AM  
mud_shark: aagrajag: mud_shark: aagrajag: Chowder_17: attention span of a retarded fruit fly: I just though of this ...

Someday he will wake up next to a 60 old tiny Asian man. Asian woman age ok...the men...umm not so much....

Disagree...been stationed in Korea and women hit the "brick wall" at age 35. They go with the short, cury permed hair and its downhill from there...

Agree. It's not just Koreans though, it's Asians in general. I'm in Japan, and I know some chicks who were hot ten minutes ago.

Isn't that just a little bit racist?

Nothing racist about it; it's a fact.

For some reason, Asian chicks are quite attractive when young, but they rapidly age past the point of hitability after about 35.



I can't say that it's not true in general, but I've seen enough 40-ish Asian women to doubt it. Yeah, sure a lot of Asian womena after age 35 don't look so good. Tell me the same thing isn't true of white or black women.

And about Asian chicks being attractive when they're young, I've seen enough young Asian chicks to know that they're not all attractive. It's easy to remember the hot ones and it's also easy to block the ugly ones out of your memory.

I've lived in Japan for 4 years now; I've also traveled in Korea and China. I speak not from stereotypes, but from experience.

As an aside, Russian women seem to suffer from the same problem; and I firmly believe they are the most staggeringly beautiful females on earth.

//Frankly, if I ever moved to Russia, I really don't know which would fall off first: my liver or my penis

Russian chicks are hot! I know 'cuz I've seen them on the internets. Of course they're also butt-ugly and I know that from long-term stereotypes as well as the internet.

When you speak of these Russian women, do you mean this?



Or do you mean this?


Ah, that would be the "Before and After" 35 pictures. ;)

Seriously though, of course they're not all hot, but every Russian chick I've ever met makes my pants get shorter. There are quite a few at the university where I work, and godDAMN...
 
2009-11-28 08:23:00 AM  
splorp!: ::whew!:: No Gorgor posts!

OMG! Stop! It's like saying "candyman."
 
2009-11-28 08:31:18 AM  
red230: So she used to be from Iran? What's the big deal?

That guy was awesome on Garth Marenghi's Darkplace. What show is that from???
 
2009-11-28 08:45:44 AM  
Seeing as s/h/it looks like the spitting image of my future mother in law, no, would not hit.

/that's just creepy
 
2009-11-28 08:57:46 AM  
Mudshark:

You know, it's quite possible that the second russian lady looked like the first russian lady when she was her age ;P
 
2009-11-28 09:28:28 AM  
I must disagree. Asian girls typically age very well.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-11-28 10:00:13 AM  
Anyone else notice the middle (well, the third and fourth or fourth and fifth; I lost count) names of this person, "Bin Min" sound kinda like "Been Men"?
 
2009-11-28 12:07:58 PM  
mud_shark:
When you speak of these Russian women, do you mean this?



Or do you mean this?


It's the same woman. The one on top is the very heavily airbrushed version.
 
2009-11-28 01:45:09 PM  
I currently live in Alaska and my town is full of Russians. So yes, I can literally see Russians from my window. Both the younger men and women (under 35-40) are very good-looking. They are good-looking in a very natural way (the women don't wear make-up or much of it). BUT the men age badly and I suppose you can say the same for the women. AND they dress very different. All the women wear little head scarves and hats with long dresses...so it's hard to tell what they really look like.
 
2009-11-28 04:45:43 PM  
This is fascinating --
Eden Atwood
She actually reminds me a lot of my friend.
 
2009-11-28 08:24:15 PM  
to each his own
 
2009-11-28 10:33:17 PM  
I think she's beautiful, and I hope things work out for them.
 
2009-11-28 11:28:14 PM  
i47.tinypic.com
 
2009-11-28 11:40:19 PM  
RadicalMiddle: Would I do her? Sorry, I'm saving myself for...

[ shirtless pic of John Barrowman ]


This is kind of off topic, but can somebody please explain to me why it is that so many seemingly heterosexual males have serious man crushes and act like they would go gay for John Barrowman?

Is he like the male equivalent of Angelina Jolie or something?
 
2009-11-29 09:14:46 AM  
Rude Turnip: red230: So she used to be from Iran? What's the big deal?

That guy was awesome on Garth Marenghi's Darkplace. What show is that from???


The IT Crowd. If you like Matt Berry, you should also check out "Snuff Box", a show he did with Rich Fulcher (in which the two Mighty Boosh alums play executioners).
 
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