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(Daily Mail)   Brits up in arms over proposal to have their national health system provide counseling to couples whose marriages are on the rocks. Not like there's any link between relationship stability and health, after all   (mailonsunday.co.uk) divider line 50
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2009-11-22 11:38:49 AM
By "up in arms" you must mean "kinda mad but too meek to even overthrow their dictator, also they don't have any guns to arm themselves with"

so really, they are "up in nothing"
 
2009-11-22 11:39:06 AM
That's nice. Of course with the Daily Fail, it probably the complete opposite that is happening. It pretty sad, but typically the truth.
 
2009-11-22 11:39:43 AM
"Holding up butterknife (but only at home with the lights off so the cameras don't see them)"

maybe

but not "up in arms"
 
2009-11-22 11:40:42 AM
There is absolutely no relationship between relationships and health. I did not spend a week in a hospital last year when I caught my ex-wife cheating with full intent to leave me. biatch
 
2009-11-22 11:42:46 AM
Not like there's any link between relationship stability and health, after all

It's more like "not any solid link between couples counseling and long term successful relationships."

Yeah, let's drag out those bad relationships for a few more years. That'll do it.
 
2009-11-22 11:45:53 AM
Brits up in arms over proposal...

Up in arms? Never even heard of this proposal. Now that I have? Meh. I'll be honestly surprised if reality bears any resemblance to a Daily Mail article. Even if it does, who gives a shiat? Not me anyway - given all the money we're throwing at banks nowadays this actually sounds like a more useful waste of money if anything.
 
2009-11-22 11:47:24 AM
cirby: Yeah, let's drag out those bad relationships for a few more years.

Define "bad relationships", and then explain what kind of omnipotent superpowers you have in order to see whose relationships are just going through a hard time, and whose are not meant to be.

NHS providing counseling? Sounds like a Good Thing.
 
2009-11-22 11:48:02 AM
Let me help all the Farkers who don't know what the UK's Daily Mail" is.

The editor is a guy called Paul Dacre. Paul Dacre is angry because he was born, he is angry because he lived, and he is angry because he is Paul Dacre. He acts like Limbaugh when he's off (or is it on) his meds, and he hates Nazis because of their welfare leaning social tendencies.

His goal is to make the Neanderthal knuckle dragging proletariat as angry as he is, and he does this by publishing vitriolic bile on every occasion he can.

That is my book report on the Daily Mail.
 
2009-11-22 11:49:30 AM
I shouldn't have to pay for someone to get marriage counseling. Difference between their country and ours (at least right now.)
 
2009-11-22 11:50:40 AM
I'm an excellent driver: Let me help all the Farkers who don't know what the UK's Daily Mail" is.

The editor is a guy called Paul Dacre. Paul Dacre is angry because he was born, he is angry because he lived, and he is angry because he is Paul Dacre. He acts like Limbaugh when he's off (or is it on) his meds, and he hates Nazis because of their welfare leaning social tendencies.

His goal is to make the Neanderthal knuckle dragging proletariat as angry as he is, and he does this by publishing vitriolic bile on every occasion he can.

That is my book report on the Daily Mail.


A*, six bags of jelly babies and three gold stars.
 
2009-11-22 11:56:06 AM
snugglyhugs: "Holding up butterknife (but only at home with the lights off so the cameras don't see them)"

maybe

but not "up in arms"


Yeah, only Americans would be stupid enough to bring guns to a health care rally.
 
2009-11-22 11:58:04 AM
I'm an excellent driver: Let me help all the Farkers who don't know what the UK's Daily Mail" is.

The editor is a guy called Paul Dacre. Paul Dacre is angry because he was born, he is angry because he lived, and he is angry because he is Paul Dacre. He acts like Limbaugh when he's off (or is it on) his meds, and he hates Nazis because of their welfare leaning social tendencies.

His goal is to make the Neanderthal knuckle dragging proletariat as angry as he is, and he does this by publishing vitriolic bile on every occasion he can.

That is my book report on the Daily Mail.



Pissing off one faction of the public or another is just good business when it comes to the general media. If you agree you read/listen for confirmation. If you disagree, you read/listen to whine and argue.

*see Fark Political threads
 
2009-11-22 11:58:29 AM
Not like there's any link between relationship stability and health, after all
So if there's a link between my butt and health, my butt should receive federal funding?
 
2009-11-22 11:59:59 AM
MOTHER-IN-LAW STATE!
 
2009-11-22 12:02:20 PM
The Daily Fail fails again
 
2009-11-22 12:03:32 PM
Pissing off one faction of the public or another is just good business when it comes to the general media. If you agree you read/listen for confirmation. If you disagree, you read/listen to whine and argue.

A good observation Psycoholic_Slag, but routinely you would only require a good sense of business acumen to profit from this behavioral quirk, you don't normally to be a complete Sociapath and nutter.
 
2009-11-22 12:15:47 PM
Way too much time, effort, and money go into marriage counseling. If you can't stand the biatch, then leave her.
 
2009-11-22 12:19:36 PM
My wife and I had to watch a video on fidelity and AIDS to get our marriage license. It was the law.

Yeah, it sucked and the law was changed shortly after we were married.
 
2009-11-22 12:22:25 PM
Lemme tell ya, my wife gets my 'health' up all the time :D

/ Having a significant other significantly improves the lives in multiple significant ways.
 
2009-11-22 12:23:45 PM
I had some counselling provided by my NHS GP who made this health/emotional connection. Only problem was that the counsellor was terrible, and I only realised it when one day he told me that he was still in counselling himself. I spent years and thousands of pounds going nowhere.

I then spent about £500 and a couple of months with some private professionals and got sorted.
 
2009-11-22 12:30:01 PM
When will the damn government get around to cutting my farking grass? That's all I want to know.
 
2009-11-22 12:34:19 PM
farkeruk: . Only problem was that the counsellor was terrible, and I only realised it when one day he told me that he was still in counselling himself.

You have to be crazy to go into psychology.

/Ex-husband of someone who went from popping happy pills to studying psych in grad school
 
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2009-11-22 12:48:07 PM
"She witch'd mee, being a faire yonge maide,
In the greene forèst to dwelle;
And there to abide in lothlye shape,
Most like a fiend of helle."

- 'The Marriage of Sir Gawaine' by Bishop Thomas Percy (1765)
 
2009-11-22 12:54:05 PM
Subby, sometimes the best thing for one's health is to end the bad relationship.

A divorce can make a huge positive difference in one's physical and mental health. Only sadists would suggest that someone stay in a relationship/marriage where the couple obviously doesn't get along.
 
2009-11-22 01:05:37 PM
<b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4789499&IDComment=56132071#c561 32071">Vinz_Clortho</a>:</b> <i>I shouldn't have to pay for someone to get marriage counseling. Difference between their country and ours (at least right now.)</i>

Vinz, how about career counseling for convicted criminals? is this also a waste of money?

While I agree that marriage counseling is debatable in some sense, you knee jerk pseudo "libertarians" should move to somalia if you want to see what life with true "minimal government" looks like.

i dont know why i've been reading this crap, but there's actually one guy in the sarah palin book reviews section of amazon who is decrying that the government has meat inspectors - his solution is to let the free market sort it out. while there's no end to the parade of "hurr durr obama communist nazi" morons out there, such "thoughtful" conviction made me pause. and chuckle. and retch.
 
2009-11-22 01:15:25 PM
TsukasaK;
Define "bad relationships", and then explain what kind of omnipotent superpowers you have in order to see whose relationships are just going through a hard time, and whose are not meant to be.

You don't need superpowers. Just common sense and a couple of decades of observation.

Of course, the fact that couples counseling has the lowest rate of success of all types of counseling might have a bit to do with it.
 
2009-11-22 01:28:37 PM
Brits seem to age at two to three times the normal rate for white people. My marriage would suck too if my 35 year old wife had bulldog jowls and looked 80.
 
2009-11-22 01:30:44 PM
Barakku: Not like there's any link between relationship stability and health, after all
So if there's a link between my butt and health, my butt should receive federal funding?


If there's a National Health Service, yes?
 
2009-11-22 01:35:55 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: Brits seem to age at two to three times the normal rate for white people. My marriage would suck too if my 35 year old wife had bulldog jowls and looked 80.

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That's looking awfully good for 98-147.
 
2009-11-22 01:40:59 PM
I'd be upset too subby. While I agree that marriages have an effect on health, maintaining a healthy marriage is a personal responsibility, not one of government or the health care industry. You pay for your marriage I will pay for mine. I dont want to spend my money helping lazy idiots.
 
2009-11-22 01:42:16 PM
Wait ... Brits still get married? Or if they do, they want to be bothered to save their unions?
 
2009-11-22 01:45:03 PM
Cameras in the bedroom next.
 
2009-11-22 01:48:29 PM
Nobody's up in arms.
 
2009-11-22 02:58:37 PM
And people want this kind of shiat in America.

/To Arms! To Arms!
 
2009-11-22 03:09:24 PM
GaryPDX: And people want this kind of shiat in America.

Yeah, god forbid we give people counseling that want it. How horrible!

/why the hell didn't I have you farkied as another BAWWWWOBAMA troll?
 
2009-11-22 03:23:35 PM
TsukasaK: GaryPDX: And people want this kind of shiat in America.

Yeah, god forbid we give people counseling that want it. How horrible!

/why the hell didn't I have you farkied as another BAWWWWOBAMA troll?


I have no problem people getting counseling, they can pay for it themselves, rock and roll.
 
2009-11-22 03:36:39 PM
GaryPDX: I have no problem people getting counseling, they can pay for it themselves, rock and roll.

NHS is meant to provide for public health and well being, and IMNSHO, that would include the health of your marriage. Besides, being in an unhappy marriage has a documented negative effect on overall well being.

The USA *is* getting a public healthcare system, whether uninformed asshats like you want it or not. We finally get to join the rest of the modern world.
 
2009-11-22 03:38:46 PM
TsukasaK: The USA *is* getting a public healthcare system, whether uninformed asshats like you want it or not. We finally get to join the rest of the modern world.

Riiigt, So we can like Europe. I wouldn't count those chickens just yet, comrade.
 
2009-11-22 03:38:57 PM
The annoying bit is that when the NHS tries to do anything involving mental health/therapy they completely fark it up. Totally. It'll go something like this:

Therapist: So what the fark is up?
Him: biatch
Her: Bastard
Therapist: You liked each other once, right? Face one another and sort your shiat out.
Him: right thanks

i48.tinypic.com
 
2009-11-22 03:44:56 PM
***DAILY MAIL ALERT***
***DAILY MAIL ALERT***
****FACTS OPTIONAL****

Marriage guidance couselling and other forms of assistance for couples has been available - for free - from state providers in the UK for *Decades*. How do I know? My Mother was just such a cousellor.
 
2009-11-22 03:50:50 PM
The trouble isn't that the national health system is providing marriage counseling, in and of itself. The problem is that there are limited resources. People who are dying because the NHS can't afford to pay for their cancer drugs are understandably a bit confused on how the NHS is funding something only vaguely related to health.

Any system has to prioritize spending. There simply isn't enough money or resources to dump cash into every warm and fuzzy cause. Every thing you spend money on, is something else that you can't spend money on. People normally only think in the simplest one dimentional terms, they say "Marriage counseling is good, therefore the government should pay for it", not even understanding that everything the government pays for is something else it can't pay for. It isn't "is marriage counseling good", it is "is marriage counseling better than improved prenatal care... is marriage counseling better than drug treatment programs... is marriage counseling better than any of the million other health care problems that could be funded".
 
2009-11-22 04:08:50 PM
Providing divorce funds and meager places for people to stay and employment training once they leave would probably be better for many people.

Couples counselling is also a nice way to end a marriage without turning it into war of the roses. My ex and I were really feeling proud when our counsellor told us most people married 25 years who had just ONE of the things we weathered wouldn't be able to sit in a room together, so we were doing great after all the shiat thrown our way. I think it was a big part of us ending up good friends who firmly believe there is no reason to fight since we're no longer married. Our kids regularly tell us "thank you SO much for not fighting like my friends' parents!"
 
2009-11-22 06:10:25 PM
TsukasaK 2009-11-22 03:09:24 PM

GaryPDX: And people want this kind of shiat in America.

Yeah, god forbid we give people counseling that want it. How horrible!


Uhh, if you want it, go pay for it. But I dont want the gov't threatening to pull my health care if i dont get counseling. What next? They pull your health care if you dont pledge your undying allegience to Dear Leader? Come on man, think... think of some consequences of the gov't having control of whether you live or die.
 
2009-11-22 08:59:32 PM
Gdalescrboz: But I dont want the gov't threatening to pull my health care if i dont get counseling.

Yknow, this isn't farking rocket science. Again, there's a demonstratable link between being in a crap relationship and overall health. Its in their (and YOUR) best interests to at least get that checked out before you hurt yourself.
 
2009-11-22 09:31:43 PM
TsukasaK 2009-11-22 08:59:32 PM

Gdalescrboz: But I dont want the gov't threatening to pull my health care if i dont get counseling.

Yknow, this isn't farking rocket science. Again, there's a demonstratable link between being in a crap relationship and overall health. Its in their (and YOUR) best interests to at least get that checked out before you hurt yourself.


Its not that i dont agree with you that there is a link between relationships and health, its that where do you draw the line? By the time you decide to draw the line you will be powerless to do so, and it all starts with something you think is trivial. I would try to elaborate but i think you are so dead set on the gov't solving yoru problems you cant see the implications of it, so ill just save my breath.
 
2009-11-22 10:32:19 PM
Gdalescrboz: By the time you decide to draw the line you will be powerless to do so, and it all starts with something you think is trivial.

This just in, slippery slope is a logical fallacy.

Ok. Explain to me, rationally, why this is not a Good Idea?
 
2009-11-23 04:29:54 AM
I didn't realize that Brits have arms to be up in.
 
2009-11-23 04:58:24 AM
GaryPDX: TsukasaK: The USA *is* getting a public healthcare system, whether uninformed asshats like you want it or not. We finally get to join the rest of the modern world.

Riiigt, So we can be like Europe. I wouldn't count those chickens just yet, comrade.


Yep, looks like some of the democrats are bawk bawk bawking at the idea of committing political suicide by voting for this turd of legislation.

Link

Imagine that?

Also...

TsukasaK since you want to be like Europe here's a little tidbit you allegedly informed arsehats seem to have missed...

"The NHS has achieved the shortest waiting times since its records began, the Department of Health said today.

It also said it had met its "18 weeks" waiting time target, whereby patients referred from a GP for further treatment start that treatment within 18 weeks. The target became the operational standard for the NHS from January 1 2009. Today's announcement confirms that the deadline was met.

The average wait for treatment for patients admitted to hospital is now just 8.6 weeks. Outpatients waited an average of 4.6 weeks at January 2009, compared to 7.4 weeks at August 2007."

Link

Yay! I only have to wait 18 weeks for further treatment of my condition after my GP refers me for it! Hang on, the "average" wait is only 8.6 weeks. That's much better!

Keep in mind these are the shortest wait times ever in the history of the NHS. England is smaller than Illinois is size and way smaller than the U.S. in population. A system like theirs in the U.S. would be a complete disaster in human as well as economic terms.

/I hope you get an incredibly painful affliction and have to wait 8.6 weeks for treatment
//Fu*khead
 
2009-11-23 06:52:50 AM
snugglyhugs: By "up in arms" you must mean "kinda mad but too meek to even overthrow their dictator, also they don't have any guns to arm themselves with"

so really, they are "up in nothing"


What dictator, and who hasn't got guns ?
 
2009-11-23 09:21:29 AM
texastag: /I hope you get an incredibly painful affliction and have to wait 8.6 weeks for treatment
//Fu*khead


I hope you get an incredibly painful affliction and have to sell your home, car, and cash out your kid's college fund in order to pay for treatment.

/The feeling's mutual, shiatfarker.
 
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