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2003-03-24 02:20:15 PM
ooooh eeeeee oooohh ah ah bing bang walla walla wing wang
ooohh eeee ooohh ah ah bing bang walla walla wing wang
/witchdoctor
 
2003-03-24 03:11:27 PM
Doesn't work. I've been trying for days, and Bush's head still hasn't been shoved up his ass.
 
2003-03-24 03:11:44 PM
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I don't see the need for the "wierd" tag.
 
2003-03-24 03:12:04 PM
If I were at the end of Indonesian witchcraft, I would be scared shiatless right now.
 
2003-03-24 03:12:05 PM
Who hasnt?
 
2003-03-24 03:14:10 PM
Yeah, but is it precision-guided?
 
2003-03-24 03:14:24 PM
I think that'll worry Bush as much as those naked men in Australia!
 
2003-03-24 03:14:30 PM
Yup. Muslims. The backward, superstitious, medieval adherents to "the religion of peace".

Islam's bloody present
By Charles Krauthammer

WASHINGTON - Is Islam an inherently violent religion? A debate on this subject has received much attention in the United States. The question is absurd. It is like asking whether Christianity is a religion of peace. Well, there is St. Francis of Assisi. And there is the Thirty Years' War. Which do you choose?

Religions are interpreted by the people of their time and thus change over time. Scripture can be invoked to support almost any position. Islam has its periods of violence and its periods of tolerance. The Ottomans gave refuge to the Jews expelled from Catholic Spain in 1492. Today, the Arab world is the purveyor of the most vicious anti-Semitic propaganda since Nazi Germany. Egyptian state television, for example, is showing a 41-part television series based on the notorious czarist forgery "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

Which stands for the real Islam?

The question is not just unanswerable, it is irrelevant. The real issue is not the essence of an abstraction - who can say what is the real Christianity or the real Judaism? - but the actions of actual Muslims in the world today.

And there is no denying the fact, stated most boldly by Samuel Huntington, author of "The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order," that "Islam has bloody borders." From Nigeria to Sudan to Pakistan to Indonesia to the Philippines, some of the worst, most hate-driven violence in the world is perpetrated by Muslims and in the name of Islam.

Take the most recent example, the Miss World Pageant riots in northern Nigeria. Muslim mobs respond to an offensive newspaper article by burning down the newspaper's offices, massacring innocent Christians and issuing a fatwa on the life of the author of the article.

In Sudan, the Arab government in Khartoum has for decades conducted a genocidal campaign against the Christian and animist blacks in the south - a campaign that includes mass starvation, the bombing of hospitals and slavery.

In Pakistan, Muslim extremists have attacked Christian churches, killing every parishioner they could. Just last month in Lebanon, an evangelical Christian nurse, who had devoted her life to caring for the sick, was shot three times through the head, presumably for proselytizing.

The bombers of the Bali disco have confessed to a series of church bombings. In the Philippines, the Abu Sayyaf specialize in kidnapping and beheading hostages in their terrorist campaign against the predominantly Catholic central government.

On the northern tier of the Islamic world, even more blood flows - in Pakistani-Kashmiri terrorism against Hindu India, Chechen terrorism in Russian Orthodox Moscow and Palestinian terrorism against Jews. (The Albanian Muslim campaign against Orthodox Macedonia is on hold.)

And then, of course, there was Sept. 11, 2001 - Islamic terrorism reaching far beyond its borders to strike at the heart of the satanic "Crusaders."

This says nothing about inherent violence; the vast majority of Muslims are obviously peaceful people living within the rules of civilized behavior. But the actual violence, bloodletting against nearly every non-Muslim civilization from Hindu to African animist, demands attention.

Underlying most of the individual grievances is a sense that Islam has lost its rightful place of dominance, the place it enjoyed half a millennium ago. Al Qaeda deputy Ayman Zawahiri's allusions to the loss of Andalusia - meaning medieval Spain - reinforce Osama Bin Laden's promise of revenge and redemption.

This feeling of a civilization in decline - and adopting terror and intimidation as the road to restoration - is echoed in a recent United Nations report that spoke frankly of the abject Arab failure to modernize. It is one thing for the Arabs to have fallen behind the West. But to fall behind South Korea - also colonized, once poor and lacking any of the Islamic world's fantastic oil wealth - is sheer humiliation.

Abdurrahman Wahid, former president of Indonesia and leader of perhaps the largest Islamic society in the world, traces Islamic radicalism not just to a failure of self-respect and self-identity - deep feelings of inadequacy and loss - but also to an enormous failure of moderate Muslim leadership. The murderers speak in the name of Islam, and the peaceful majority cannot find the courage to challenge them.

"The Islamic world today is being held prisoner," writes novelist Salman Rushdie, "not by Western, but by Islamic captors who are fighting to keep closed a world that a badly outnumbered few are trying to open."

Rushdie adds: "The majority remains silent."

Until they speak, the borders of Islam will remain bloody.

Originally published on December 7, 2002
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Wow, what an endorsement.
 
2003-03-24 03:14:41 PM
Frist crackpot lefties, now witchdocters. When will the madness end.
 
2003-03-24 03:16:19 PM
a group of Muslim women protestors carried images of President George W. Bush, depicting him as a monkey and "Darwin: Origin of Species" written across...

Ironic, Muslims in Jakarta calling the US Pres a monkey? Oh yeah, I forgot that the Muslims and Indonesian people are the model for modern enlightenment and cultural advancement.
 
2003-03-24 03:17:52 PM
Hope it works.
 
2003-03-24 03:17:57 PM
So we're led by a immortal, bloodsucking nocturnal undead creature. Is that bad?
 
2003-03-24 03:18:49 PM
man that post was just way to long. won't even bother reading it
 
2003-03-24 03:19:59 PM
Good luck to them. If that idiot can be removed from power then the world will be a safer place.

Still, he has done something right today:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2880301.stm
 
2003-03-24 03:21:09 PM
Solzhenisin

LOL! :D
I thought it was:
ooh ee ooh ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang

And that's back when my hearing was good!

But let's see now,
The Russians are acting like the OLD Russians
The Egyptians have huge protests going on - and the government is saying "fine, have your protests, but peacefully"
The Arab world is upset
France, is well, France
Huge Protests throughout Europe, including one on Saturday/Sunday in Barcelona (I thought Spain was part of the Coalition of the Willing) which numbered over 1 million.

On the other side, Uruguay(?) joined the Coalition of the Willing

This war is just turning out great, isn't it?
 
2003-03-24 03:22:18 PM
Kinda reminds me about the joke with this ending:
Voodoo dick, my ass.
 
2003-03-24 03:22:29 PM
I went to college with some really nice Indonesians whose parents had the good foresight to get the hell out or Dodge years ago.

I wonder if Indonesian freaks are into sexually molesting the dead like those Iraqis?
 
2003-03-24 03:22:51 PM
Farkmoninov: article


/obvious
 
2003-03-24 03:23:09 PM
Oggabooga, Kill Bush, Oggabooga.
 
2003-03-24 03:24:08 PM
Good luck to them. If that idiot can be removed from power then the world will be a safer place.

Still, he has done something right today:
Good luck to them. If that idiot can be removed from power then the world will be a safer place.

Still, he has done something right today:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2880301.stm
 
2003-03-24 03:25:48 PM
screw it, i give up
 
2003-03-24 03:26:20 PM
Anti-war?

IGNORE THIS then.

Prime example.
 
2003-03-24 03:26:55 PM
Good old GIS...



"And now for the final ingredient...the blood of 10 American virgin women"
 
2003-03-24 03:28:38 PM
The plan is sure to work, look at the tremendous success of the witchdoctors in Africa. These people will always be stuck in the 15th century.
 
2003-03-24 03:28:41 PM
Name me one religion that hasn't dabbled in ritual sorcery in one time or another.
 
2003-03-24 03:30:07 PM
Hehe, Indonesian trannies trying to curse Bush. I guess all their sex operations went through.
 
2003-03-24 03:30:57 PM
I'm terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought
 
2003-03-24 03:32:25 PM
IMJack

I think I know why it isn't working -- I've been trying to cast spells for days to get his head OUT of his ass. I think our voodoo spells are cancelling each other out.
 
2003-03-24 03:33:50 PM
"tell me little boy - how will leaving Saddam in power pose a threat to the US and UK?"
 
2003-03-24 03:33:53 PM
down with the posting of entire articles on threads. post a link or, if no HTML skills, post a URL address.

also, Hehateme "Ironic, Muslims in Jakarta calling the US Pres a monkey? Oh yeah, I forgot that the Muslims and Indonesian people are the model for modern enlightenment and cultural advancement."

You are closed-minded, ethnocentric, and generally ignorant. have a nice day.
 
2003-03-24 03:36:49 PM
Hey, it's worth a shot!
 
2003-03-24 03:39:03 PM
Paniekzaaier
IMJack
I think I know why it isn't working -- I've been trying to cast spells for days to get his head OUT of his ass. I think our voodoo spells are cancelling each other out.


Damn it, I've been casting spells to get both his ass and his head out of office. We have to coordinate these things, people!!! :D
 
2003-03-24 03:39:44 PM
"Indonesians direct witchcraft at Bush", but they fail because Bush has +8 protection on a 1d10 roll.

Clevershark: I think that'll worry Bush as much as those naked men in Australia

You mean these guys?

 
2003-03-24 03:41:42 PM
Witchcraft? Since when did they start practicing Wicca in Indonesia?
 
2003-03-24 03:43:56 PM
Ogt462
man that post was just way to long. won't even bother reading it


It's Krauthammer - toady for the right. To summarize, Bush II and the Christian Conservative Right are geniuses. Everyone else is wrong.
 
2003-03-24 03:45:36 PM
I would think Witchcraft would be anathema to Islam. But who's to say they're good Muslims? I'm starting to think people play the religion card as much and as badly as people play the race card when it suits their needs.
 
2003-03-24 03:48:37 PM
wrong thread d'oh
 
2003-03-24 03:49:00 PM
IMJack-

Sorry about that. I've been praying that he WOULD pull his head out his ass. We must have been canceling each other out.
 
2003-03-24 03:49:34 PM
ZipBeep: Your summary is a severe non sequitur, and doesn't do justice to Krauthammer's commentary.
 
2003-03-24 03:52:37 PM
ZipBeep: I think I misunderstood you -- I retract.
 
2003-03-24 03:54:48 PM
Performs the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram, but finds Bush is still in office....darn.
 
2003-03-24 03:55:27 PM
I know, we could use our arsenal of Super Soakers

I'm melllltttinggg!!!!
 
2003-03-24 04:00:57 PM
Siyuntz and ZipBeep: Look up ad hominem when you get a chance.
 
2003-03-24 04:06:02 PM
Diogenes -- Islam outside the western world does frequently seem to be used as an excuse for tribalism and groupthink. The Arab League, for instance, is now whining about the poor Iraqis, when it hasn't appeared to give a damn about how Saddam treated them. For that matter, where were the protesting Islamists when Iraq invaded Iran?
 
2003-03-24 04:07:08 PM
"So we're led by a immortal, bloodsucking nocturnal undead creature. Is that bad?"
It probably has an upside, but that has to be one of the nicer things I've seen said about Mr Bush Jr. in awhile.
/it explains a lot too.
 
2003-03-24 04:08:29 PM
So then you SUPPORT the murderous regime in Iraq.

Hmmmmmm....... O.K. !
 
2003-03-24 04:10:07 PM
Siyuntz: You are closed-minded, ethnocentric, and generally ignorant. have a nice day.

Really, was there something in my generalization that you'd like to refute? No, of course not because you can't. You can't argue with facts so you call me ignorant. And let me just clarify my point: Instead of casting spells, maybe they should learn a thing or two about the modern world. Also, before the Muslim women call Bush a monkey they should take a bath, take off the ridiculous parka, live in a home that has indoor plumbing, (the Roman's had it 2000 years ago how primitive can you be?), and stand up for your own rights as taken away by your government/religion. You have a nice day.
 
2003-03-24 04:11:31 PM
I've been pondering this myself, more as an academic exercise that anything else. In particular, I wanted to try to channel any good fortune that might attend Shrub, Dick, and Rummy to a couple of guys in one of the Armored Recon divisions of the MEF. I figure that would support the troops as well as accurately express my pique at their commander.

The only trick is to get something that each of the rascals has owned long enough to forge an association with. Whitehouse sugar packets won't work, since that could accidentally suck the luck out of the building, and, all Bush-Bashing aside, I have some respect for the office, and a fair amount for anyone actiually elected to it.

Hey, it could work. (Unlikely)
 
2003-03-24 04:16:43 PM
Korovyov wrote: Islam outside the western world does frequently seem to be used as an excuse for tribalism and groupthink.

As opposed to inside the western world, where Christianity and patriotism are used as excuses for the same things.
 
2003-03-24 04:20:22 PM
OBJ -- Not anymore, really. France and the United States are both nominally majority-Christian nations, for instance. So, for that matter, is all of Europe and Russia. They're not even remotely close in opinion... in fact, to be really analogous, you'd have to have Christians regularly sheltering violent fugitives on the basis that they're both Christian.
 
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