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2009-11-19 05:01:01 PM
Lebowski: ok

im going bald. ive had to endure MANY bald jokes from my friends, family, and co-workers. it stings originally, and its hard to concentrate when everyone you talk to is staring at your receding hairline.

WITHOUT A DOUBT BALDNESS IS THE MOST HORRIBLE THING TO HAPPEN TO A YOUNG MALE IN TODAYS SOCIETY. IF YOU EVER MAKE A BALD JOKE, THINK OF THE PAIN AND ANGUISH SOMEONE HAS GONE THROUGH BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED TO THEM THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.

so dont be a baldist, please. the pain is something you will never understand.

(but you get used to it because you know even if they meant to make fun, they dont really mean it. and even if they did, so what. they are going to die and rot in the ground just like everyone else. so, eventually, i got used to the fact i was bald. im fine now. i have sex with numerous girls, despite this horrible condition god has cursed me with. "DID YOU SEE WHAT GOD JUST DID TO ME MAN?")


False equivalence is false.
 
2009-11-19 05:04:00 PM
Your Favorite Token Black Chick: Ok, picture in and of itself: Not racist.
Teacher: not racist
Kid turning to black kid and saying "Is that your dad?": unintentionally racist.

I'm 22, I read that comment and it hurt MY feelings. Imagine how the kid felt. Its not fun being the only darkie in the class and someone calls you out on it. You try your best to be like other students, do the work, and don't let the fact that no one in the room looks like you get to you. But when someone calls you out like that especially with such a stupid looking and embarrassing picture. It hurts. I more than know what its like to be that kid. I can imagine what he's feeling. I know the other kid didn't mean what he said in malice. And I know most of you farkers are quick to say "grow a pair" or "call the whaaambulance" but sometimes, shiat. farking. hurts.


Preach on!
 
2009-11-19 05:07:58 PM
nopokerface: If this pic was of a toothless, white hillbilly, would we have the same outrage?

Yes, if there was one white kid in an all black class.

Having been the only black kid in an all white class before (and coincidentally in a neighborhood in this same area) i Know exactly just how bad this kid felt when he saw that picture and especially when that comment was made. Kids are mean, kids are insecure, kids just want to fit in and it's very very hard to blend in when your the one minority student.

Yes, I'm well adjusted and don't have a chip on my shoulder, but that's mostly because i had great parents and amazing teachers who never made me feel any less or any better than anyone else in my class.
 
2009-11-19 05:08:41 PM
Dead-Guy: the black people were a conquered people, this is why they were used as slaves by white people. Rather than stomp out the blacks, they were invited to live with whites as servitors of their estates. There are many such cultures where something like this has happened throughout history. This is not a unique situation by any means.

The difference here is that it was eventually overturned, and blacks were given an equal status and footing to white men.


LOLWUT.JPG
 
2009-11-19 05:10:01 PM
apparently, my teachers weren't THAT amazing...

gimodu: nopokerface: If this pic was of a toothless, white hillbilly, would we have the same outrage?

Yes, if there was one white kid in an all black class.

Having been the only black kid in an all white class before (and coincidentally in a neighborhood in this same area) i Know exactly just how bad this kid felt when he saw that picture and especially when that comment was made. Kids are mean, kids are insecure, kids just want to fit in and it's very very hard to blend in when your you're the one minority student.

Yes, I'm well adjusted and don't have a chip on my shoulder, but that's mostly because i had great parents and amazing teachers who never made me feel any less or any better than anyone else in my class.
 
2009-11-19 05:20:28 PM
Until the day skin color is of no more importance than the color of your eyes, there will be racism. Sadly it seems it's perpetrated more by the people who claimed to be the victims than the people who are accused as the assailants.

Paranoia can make people believe things that aren't true, like a racial hypochondriac.
 
2009-11-19 05:21:27 PM
Cthulhu Theory: Sadly it seems it's perpetrated more by the people who claimed to be the victims than the people who are accused as the assailants.

Now that's just confusing.
 
2009-11-19 05:28:22 PM
gimodu: nopokerface: If this pic was of a toothless, white hillbilly, would we have the same outrage?

Yes, if there was one white kid in an all black class.

Having been the only black kid in an all white class before (and coincidentally in a neighborhood in this same area) i Know exactly just how bad this kid felt when he saw that picture and especially when that comment was made. Kids are mean, kids are insecure, kids just want to fit in and it's very very hard to blend in when your the one minority student.

Yes, I'm well adjusted and don't have a chip on my shoulder, but that's mostly because i had great parents and amazing teachers who never made me feel any less or any better than anyone else in my class.


I'm curious if the children made outright racial slurs towards you? Like the "n" word or anything similar? I'm also curious as to why you felt so out of place as a minority student? At what point did you realize your skin was different from the other children? Why did you care? Was it something they said? Or something they did? Or perhaps it was a teacher/parent?

/Not being snarky, genuinely curious.
 
2009-11-19 05:29:09 PM
I get it. Whites are tired of the word "racist". Great, cause I'm tired of talking about racism BUT we will continue to have this debate as long as people like Matthew Curran continue to be insensitive! C'mon, it was a stupid decision to put a picture of a toothless hillbilly black man on a math assignment given to a classroom of 30 white kids and 1 black kid. He set that child up to be singled out and ridiculed. That is the issue here. You might not want to call him racist, but he sure as hell is an insensitive dumbass who puts little thought into the welfare of his students.

also- there are tons of "No Wai" pictures on the web! He couldn't use a kitten? An owl? A dog? This was the ONLY pic that appealed to him? Just really piss poor judgment on his part.
 
2009-11-19 05:35:30 PM
No worries. I can't speak for all blacks :) so I'll just stick to my own experience.

I was only called the "n" word once and that was in Kindergarten. It was "Hat Day" and I won. Some kid got upset and called me the "n" word. I was 4, never heard it before but instantly knew it was bad, so I jumped up and beat the kid with my prize winning hat.

Other than that, i never had an other experiences like that one. Just a lot of questions: "why are your palms white but the rest of your skin is black?", "why does your hair look like that?", "no you can't use my brush.", "you don't talk black" etc. Kids learn color and differences at a very early age, and they repeat what they hear at home. So, yea I felt like a freak from time to time, but i made some good friends and the longer people knew me, the less the differences mattered.


Cthulhu Theory: gimodu: nopokerface: If this pic was of a toothless, white hillbilly, would we have the same outrage?

Yes, if there was one white kid in an all black class.

Having been the only black kid in an all white class before (and coincidentally in a neighborhood in this same area) i Know exactly just how bad this kid felt when he saw that picture and especially when that comment was made. Kids are mean, kids are insecure, kids just want to fit in and it's very very hard to blend in when your the one minority student.

Yes, I'm well adjusted and don't have a chip on my shoulder, but that's mostly because i had great parents and amazing teachers who never made me feel any less or any better than anyone else in my class.

I'm curious if the children made outright racial slurs towards you? Like the "n" word or anything similar? I'm also curious as to why you felt so out of place as a minority student? At what point did you realize your skin was different from the other children? Why did you care? Was it something they said? Or something they did? Or perhaps it was a teacher/parent?

/Not being snarky, genuinely curious.
 
2009-11-19 05:43:41 PM
funmonger: Cthulhu Theory: Sadly it seems it's perpetrated more by the people who claimed to be the victims than the people who are accused as the assailants.

Now that's just confusing.


Ok, in this instance we have the victim (the kids mom) who is perpetrating the racism of the situation by calling the innocuous picture the teacher used in a misguided attempt at humor. The assailant (the teacher) did not mean for the picture to be derogatory, however the victim claims a racial attack has been made on her and her child and it becomes a racist issue.

So, based on the information from the article, we can ascertain that the teacher was trying to be funny and probably improve his likability to his class. One child made a comment to the other child and the kid felt hurt, so he complained to his mom and now an otherwise innocuous picture becomes evil and the teacher is a nazi. I could see how this would confuse you, but this type of thing happens all the time.

Another example is a cop sees a suspicious car driving irregularly with illegally tinted windows and decides to pull the car over for a routine traffic stop to see if the man is driving drunk. The cop pulls the man over, the man slurs his speech and smells of alcohol so the cop asks him to step out of the car. The cop then subjects the man to a sobriety test but the man becomes beligerent so the cop cuffs the man, then searches him for any dangerous objects and finds some drugs. Now up until this point this could be a person of any ethnicity because this kind of thing happens all the time and you'll notice how nothing in this example mentions race or ethnicity or anything to indicate what the cop or subject might look like. Seemingly innocuous right?

Now picture the cop is white and the driver is black and the black man views this white cop as racially profiling and it becomes a problem. Now we have a civilian ready to call out racism because he views the cop as racially profiling. This is the type of situation I decribe where the alleged victim of racism is the actual perpetrator of that which he claims to be the victim of.

It's not right in any situation and just because someones feelings might be hurt doesn't mean it's automatically a hate crime. Something that many people forget.
 
2009-11-19 05:54:26 PM
gimodu: No worries. I can't speak for all blacks :) so I'll just stick to my own experience.

I was only called the "n" word once and that was in Kindergarten. It was "Hat Day" and I won. Some kid got upset and called me the "n" word. I was 4, never heard it before but instantly knew it was bad, so I jumped up and beat the kid with my prize winning hat.

Other than that, i never had an other experiences like that one. Just a lot of questions: "why are your palms white but the rest of your skin is black?", "why does your hair look like that?", "no you can't use my brush.", "you don't talk black" etc. Kids learn color and differences at a very early age, and they repeat what they hear at home. So, yea I felt like a freak from time to time, but i made some good friends and the longer people knew me, the less the differences mattered.


Firstly I'm curious if the kid you beat up was really aware of the impact of that word, probably not, but that's no excuse and I'm glad you beat his arse for it!

Secondarily, the other comments make sense to me if you're the only black kid in the class. I used to notice the palm thing as a kid but never bothered asking about it since I knew it might hurt the kids feelings, but I was curious. Did that make me a racist? I should hope not. Same thing with the hair. My point is simply that it is normal for kids to see something they're not accustomed to and have questions about it. Children watch TV and see black people talking like the stereotypical black person, so they see something that's not like what they're used to seeing and they're curious. Kids are also greedy.

When I was younger I was the first kid to lose the two front teeth and ended up with a beaver face of sorts and I had freckles. Kids picked on me a bit for both things, literally picked on me, not asking questions about them. At 14 my hairline started to recede and people made comments about it, one girl even went so far as to say "oh my god you're going bald!" but that was ancient history. Now I'm sitting here with everything grown into, my hair no more receded than bruce willis in his die hard days, and it's all ancient history. Do I think those people were hateful? Nah, they were just doing what kids do.

Sounds to me like you had a normal childhood beyond the 4 yr old with shiatty parents. Maybe it just feels different because you grew up knowing your skin was a different color?
 
2009-11-19 06:01:51 PM
Here's the thing. If you're going to be the only ANYTHING in a class of kids, you're going to be subject to ANYTHING-ism.

That means kids who are black will be singled out if someone brings up a picture of an African.

That means kids who are Chinese will be singled out if someone mentions chopsticks.

That means the kid who wears a prothesis is going to get picked last for volleyball.

Let's face it, the only white kid in a classroom of predominantly black kids is also going to get singled out from time to time.

Everyone gets picked on at some point in their life. Kids are kids. Get over it.
 
2009-11-19 06:07:08 PM
mister aj: "It's very stressful to be an African-American in the community"
Maybe it would be easier to live in America if you were just an American, rather than prioritising the triviality of your genetic heritage as an integral part of your identity? Alternatively, if you want to keep calling yourself an African-American, feel free to leave and go live in a mud hut in Africa.


If I were to say "You guys started it", I'd be wrong, correct? It would be so easy to just call ourselves "American", but I'm afraid that we'd be the only race to do so. SOME White Folks (bless their hearts) seem to have a ton of other not-so patriotic names that they call us. I won't go into detail here, but I think you get the picture.

Plus, I don't see you packing up your family and heading back to Europe (or wherever your ancestry hails from)...why the hell should I leave?
 
2009-11-19 06:15:51 PM
Until the day skin color is of no more importance than the color of your eyes, there will be racism. Sadly it seems it's perpetrated more by the people who claimed to be the victims than the people who are accused as the assailants.
Paranoia can make people believe things that aren't true, like a racial hypochondriac.


This, and especially THIS
 
2009-11-19 06:36:26 PM
What have we learned today? Having a picture of a black person on educational material constitutes a racist image.

/Seriously, anyone who says it's a racist picture is a stupid-ass fark.
//What if the guy was white? Is it magically not a racist image now?
 
2009-11-19 06:37:16 PM
funmonger

are you bald? do you know what its like? there is a subtle history of baldness discriminatory behavior amongst ALL races towards ALL races.

i AM bald; you are not a slave.

slavery is not part of you PRESENT reality. it is a historical fact that happened to people having the same skin colour as you and possibly being an ancestor of yours. should you choose to attribute this fact to your current being, that is a decision that you have made (or had society make it for you). It doesnt have to be that way.

Me on the other hand, do not have the means or ways to rid myself of my current bald state. Nor should i have to or want to. Yet society tells me being bald is bad. This is perpetuated by people having all sorts of prejudices about bald people (jerk off too much, bad genes, etc) that may be directly applied to me. I might lose out on a job because im bald, just like you might lose out on a job for being black.

But of course, not totally equivalent, but certainly within reasonable limits of discussion. Do you deny the fact that bald people are treated differently?
 
2009-11-19 06:42:32 PM
basically, all im saying...

you have a bright future ahead of you! dont live in the shiatty sans-CMOS past mannnnn, TO THE SKIES!!
 
2009-11-19 06:42:34 PM
Troggie42: Reverse racism is just a bullshiat term someone invented to somehow shoehorn even racism into being PC. If racism is the hatred of another race, then that would make reverse racism the love of another race

The reason "reverse racism" is a term, is that "racism" technically means, these days, "discrimination against a protected class". If I go apply for a job on the indian reservation, they are allowed to tell me straight out "indian preference applies". If I were to do that shiat, as a white guy, I'd be shut down before you could say "sharpton".

There's nothing "PC" about the term reverse racism. It exists because as a minority, you can't be racist. The term doesn't apply to you. Only white-non-minorities can be racist.

Yes, it's bullshiat, and double yes, it pisses me off to no end. But that's the way it is.
 
2009-11-19 06:57:44 PM
ham006: Little.Alex: ham006: Little.Alex: ridcullylives: Damn Man: copperheadclgp: So much THIS. What I've read ...

Then all i can say to you is WELCOME TO THE CLUB. This is how it feels to be BLACK EVERYWHERE IN AMERICA(with your noted exception of Washington). So follow your OWN DAMN ADVICE and suck it up.

/someone had to say it.

And Atlanta.

But you have legal recourse. I do not.

the idiotic thing about Affirmative Action is the assumption; that the cure for racism is more racism, but occasionally rotating the vicitms. Mindless.

Honestly, this is the reason I DONT aggree with affirmative action as it is currently practiced.

You had nothing to do with how my parents and ancestors were treated, why should you be held accountable?

You should also understand that the AVERAGE person of color will NEVER directly benefit from it. There are a handful of contractors in your market benefitting from this, and you are free to move to an area where this is not a problem. You can "hire" color, I am still unable to get a job in some areas of this country NO MATTER HOW MUCH BETTER QUALIFIED I AM due to my color, so i can't PRETEND to qualify.

So in other words, that sound you hear, right at the edge of your hearing is the violin i am playing.


You just made my favorites.

Exactly, exactly, exactly. Your great grandparents were mistreated? Sorry about that. Mine too by the way; Sicilian Peasants.

So the cure(?) for something that happened before I was born, is to make people like me Ass Rape taxpayers and hand it over to a tiny number of black men- who happen to have friends in the military, or are slightly involved in politics?

It's nuts. More racism is not the answer to any sane question.

And didja know: Racial Quota lawsuits are one of the biggest contributors to the decline of our cities? Statistics based lawsuits against employers were based on zip code or area code. Like; "your area code is 50% black, but your employees are only 10% black." So what did thousands of businesses do? Move to suburban office parks.

Its not the only reason for that move, but it's a big one.
Link (new window)


So all that shopping, lunch, business support, tax money? Lost to the cities. That's a big part of why so many cities are bankrupt now, when 50 years ago they were centers of economic activity.

Stupid, isn't it? Expensive, divisive, anger generating, racism generating, unjust, Affirmative Action. All so a few asshats like Jackson wouldn't have to get honest jobs. And for Jackson's stolen millions, how many average blacks had diminished job opportunities? I don't know, but more than 3.
 
2009-11-19 07:04:25 PM
wee beastie: I'm generally the one to reserve judgment and not jump too quickly to call the racism card. That said, this teacher is retarded. If you don't see racism in that picture, you're blind.

Why? Why and how is that image racist? He is a black person, making an unusual facial expression, with a caption added that has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with said facial expression.

Those of us who don't consider it a racist image are not blind to racism, you're blinded by racism.
 
2009-11-19 07:10:24 PM
Came here for the obligatory Sue Sylvester quote from Glee.
Leaving disappointed.


z.about.com
/"I love minorities so much, I almost moved to California just to be one."
//hot, but only the link
 
2009-11-19 07:53:14 PM
SoothinglyDeranged: Bathia_Mapes: As I said in the original greenlit thread, I don't understand the need for the teacher to use pictures on work intended for 8th graders. Pictures on work papers are appropriate when used for younger children (kindergarteners, first graders), but this isn't an appropriate picture to use for any age. The teacher needs to use common sense.

True, but it's also rather asinine for the mother to jump to conclusions about it being an issue of race. Had it been the exact same picture except with a white person nobody would have complained. It is just a goofy farking picture, end of story.


Actually, it's actually almost certainly a product of /b/'s overarching "racism is funny" meme. 10 to 1, this image originated on 4chan or one of its various affiliates.
 
2009-11-19 08:35:46 PM
so has the teacher been fired and thrown in jail yet?
 
MN2
2009-11-19 10:09:16 PM
trixter_nl: oldebayer: Both the mother and her son are black.

Surprisingly, this is more common than many people think.

/Could have actually been worse. Could have drawn the irate protests of the entire gay community by saying, "Be fruitful, and multiply."

the gay community is filled with fruits, why would they be upset about being fruitful?


because they can't multiply

/buhduh psh
 
2009-11-19 10:17:12 PM
LanguageLikeBonsais: Came here for the obligatory Sue Sylvester quote from Glee.
Leaving disappointed.



/"I love minorities so much, I almost moved to California just to be one."
//hot, but only the link


Never seen or heard of that show but I love Lynch, thank you for turning me on to this.
 
2009-11-19 10:17:57 PM
BraveNewCheneyWorld:

You're not lockstep with the "hypersensitive bubble wrappers of the world" in this thread,


Good. PC-ism makes me sick.

therefore you are a racist.

Meh. Fark 'em. Fark anyone who thinks I am a racist, that is.
 
2009-11-19 10:35:36 PM
megram: if it was a white person she wouldn't of complained

I hate this. Are you even literate?
 
2009-11-19 10:57:29 PM
gimodu: No worries. I can't speak for all blacks :) so I'll just stick to my own experience.

I was only called the "n" word once and that was in Kindergarten. It was "Hat Day" and I won. Some kid got upset and called me the "n" word. I was 4, never heard it before but instantly knew it was bad, so I jumped up and beat the kid with my prize winning hat.

Other than that, i never had an other experiences like that one. Just a lot of questions: "why are your palms white but the rest of your skin is black?", "why does your hair look like that?", "no you can't use my brush.", "you don't talk black" etc. Kids learn color and differences at a very early age, and they repeat what they hear at home. So, yea I felt like a freak from time to time, but i made some good friends and the longer people knew me, the less the differences mattered.


When my youngest was 2 years old, she bit a black guy because she thought he was made of chocolate. I was glad that he had a sense of humor about it.
 
2009-11-19 11:54:56 PM
NYMoogle: megram: if it was a white person she wouldn't of complained

I hate this. Are you even literate?


that makes my skin crawl as well. must be a cracker. get him!
 
2009-11-20 01:02:12 AM
An angry black person in Philly? You don't say...
 
2009-11-20 01:59:19 AM
All you guys saying that Blacks "Cry Wolf" need to look at what's going on politically in this country.
Face it, all these racist folks coming out of the wood work because a Black man is President are proof that we aren't crying wolf. In fact the opposite is true.
Imagine these bigots being YOUR co-worker if you are of color, or worse, your BOSS.
I guarantee 90% of you guys would have half of what you have today if you had been born Black.
What's worse is every one of you knows some one who is blatantly racist and conveniently forget about them when claiming racism doesn't really exist.

Although, I do agree that the kid needs to toughen up, because this won't be that last time.

Lastly, when I was his age I was told by a number of adults that I was going to have to "Work twice as hard to get half as far" as the White guy next to me.

Not something any kid likes to hear.
 
2009-11-20 02:10:59 AM
Just imagine being the guy in the picture. He was just being himself and everyone cries 'RACISM'! That is an actual human being. Why is everyone saying he is bad?
Poor guy. :(

/snark
 
2009-11-20 09:22:33 AM
ridcullylives


You have people on this thread comparing him to a hippopotamus, for god's sake.

You know somebody that looks more like a hippo than this guy??

 
2009-11-20 09:52:26 AM
klobbersaurus: so has the teacher been fired and thrown in jail yet?

i'm sure obama will make this one personal too, even though it's not harvard
 
2009-11-20 11:00:48 AM
skantea:
Lastly, when I was his age I was told by a number of adults that I was going to have to "Work twice as hard to get half as far" as the White guy next to me.

Not something any kid likes to hear.


So you are told as a child that the white people are going to always be better than you and no matter what you do you have to do double their work. You're told this as a child by people who grew up in an era - presumably - that may have held true to this. So your parents and adult figures as a child were unable to accept the possibility that the society and cultural views towards black people are shifting? Sounds to me like they were grooming you to be aware of the racism around you, or maybe, just maybe, they planted the seeds of racial paranoia in your young impressionable mind.

This isn't like santa clause where you can tell kids he's real then they never see him and realize he's not. This is something that, like any hypochondriac, can see symptoms of and see a disease that isn't necessarily there. I'm not dismissing your claims that racism isn't around still. I'm saying that just because you're not white doesn't mean anything that happens is a slight against you.

/racial hypochondriacs propogate racism
 
2009-11-20 04:43:10 PM
racial hypochondriacs propogate racism

THIS.

If you react to racist behavior that hasn't happened "yet." Or simply making an assumption on how a person will think, behave, react, or what they might prefer, based on their skin color, you are as racist as anyone else, and are using racial profiling.

As long as this exists, so will racism, because it IS racism.

That includes assuming that whites won't prosecute other white the same, or assuming that a white man can't see past color, or that a black man feels persecuted.

Now if someone comes out and says "I will not presecute a white man as strongly as I might persecute a black man" then you would be correct in saying the man is racist.

White men aren't racist, SOME white men are racist, or maybe even MOST, but certainly not all.. That's about the only type of blanket statement you can make about an entire "race" without either lying, or racial stereotyping, but you aren't explaining much either, so might as well drop the color reference unless it's needed.

In this case it WAS needed to explain that situation.
 
2009-11-20 06:42:00 PM
I don't get it.
A man is making a funny face
and if it is used with the threat of advanced mathematics

it becomes racist.

WTF is wrong with people?
 
2009-11-20 06:53:18 PM
This is why I stay far far away from the vagina goblins. They cause nothin' but trouble!

Poor kid is going to be teased twice as bad now because his mom made a huge issue out of something that could have been a simple phone call that could have gone like this "Hey Mr. Principal, just a heads up, my sons math teacher used a photo that caused some backlash from his peers. Could please tell the teacher to be a little more cautious with this. Thank you"

people. So high strung and craving attention.
 
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