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(Palm Beach Post)   Town proposes raising fine for too-tall grass to $1000 a day. "Code enforcement needs a larger hammer."   (palmbeachpost.com) divider line 144
    More: Florida, Jupiter, Councilman Robert Friedman, Stefan Harzen, doing business, Building Department Director Robert Lecky, free will, Town Manager Andy Lukasik, Code Enforcement Director Frank Melillo  
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2009-11-18 10:41:39 AM
The hammer is Jupiter's penis.
 
2009-11-18 10:41:51 AM
But they can still grow grass? hell yea!
 
2009-11-18 10:43:22 AM
Pair-o-Dice: But they can still grow grass? hell yea!

Obviously they need to stick to the shorter, bushier Afghan varietals and stay away from the Hawaiian/Thai stuff...
 
2009-11-18 10:43:30 AM
Grass in question:

www.baxterboo.com
 
2009-11-18 10:44:15 AM
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"So, how tall is, like, too tall, man"?

/I'm from your government, and I'm here to help you
 
2009-11-18 10:45:32 AM
Let the punishment fit the crime is obviously a foreign concept in this case. $50 to hire some unemployed welfare recipient for an afternoon seems like a much better solution. Common sense takes a holiday? Oh, wait .............. Florida, that explains it.
 
2009-11-18 10:45:47 AM
Translation: "We need more funds for our Xmas party."
 
2009-11-18 10:48:23 AM
The hammer is his penis.
 
2009-11-18 10:49:26 AM
TFA has no mention of how high "too tall" is. I imagine my lawn would go into violation several times a year, mostly during spring and especially when I'm too busy with other stuff to spend half of one of my weekend days mowing the lawn.

That being said, if my town were to enact this kind of punishment, I would be asking how much the fine for a completely incinerated lawn would be, possibly paved over with concrete.
 
2009-11-18 10:49:45 AM
You know who else liked to enforce how long someone's grass could be?

www.greatdreams.com
 
2009-11-18 10:51:09 AM
I measured your grass, it's a 1/2 inch over the approved limit.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-11-18 10:52:19 AM
I need to visit this place someday. Sounds like it's just full of whack jobs.
 
2009-11-18 10:53:13 AM
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I told you we should have stayed in Del Boca Vista!
 
2009-11-18 10:56:06 AM
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2009-11-18 10:56:45 AM
"The town code regulates items such as when garbage cans can be placed outside, noise volume, parking of boats, heights of fences, the number of tenants and landscaping. Lawns cannot be higher than eight inches in developed residential areas."

so...not only can these assholes tell you your lawn is too high, but they can tell you when you can pull out the garbage, where you can park your boat, how high you can make your fence...?

A-holes. F that.
 
2009-11-18 10:57:11 AM
Spindle: TFA has no mention of how high "too tall" is. I imagine my lawn would go into violation several times a year, mostly during spring and especially when I'm too busy with other stuff to spend half of one of my weekend days mowing the lawn.

That being said, if my town were to enact this kind of punishment, I would be asking how much the fine for a completely incinerated lawn would be, possibly paved over with concrete.


How big is your lawn that it takes 8 hours to mow?
 
2009-11-18 10:58:06 AM
ihatedumbpeople: "The town code regulates items such as when garbage cans can be placed outside, noise volume, parking of boats, heights of fences, the number of tenants and landscaping. Lawns cannot be higher than eight inches in developed residential areas."

so...not only can these assholes tell you your lawn is too high, but they can tell you when you can pull out the garbage, where you can park your boat, how high you can make your fence...?

A-holes. F that.


There residents that live there accept all this when they "purchase" their home.
 
2009-11-18 11:02:06 AM
I am sure this has nothing to do with falling tax revenue, nothing at all.
 
2009-11-18 11:02:34 AM
Wouldn't it make more sense, get things done quicker and produce less angry people to just pay someone to cut the offenders grass and send them a bill?

This just sounds like a money hungry municipality.
 
2009-11-18 11:04:38 AM
I'd just dig up the lawn, put down a network of gas pipes, and then pour concrete over it with holes for the gas to come up about an inch apart. No more grass to mow, and when you want the pesky kids to stay off your new patio you just turn the gas on and toss a match out the door.

Great for preventing snow accumulation in the northern latitudes too!
 
2009-11-18 11:08:30 AM
ihatedumbpeople: "The town code regulates items such as when garbage cans can be placed outside, noise volume, parking of boats, heights of fences, the number of tenants and landscaping. Lawns cannot be higher than eight inches in developed residential areas."

so...not only can these assholes tell you your lawn is too high, but they can tell you when you can pull out the garbage, where you can park your boat, how high you can make your fence...?

A-holes. F that.


One of my professors wanted to build a tall fence to keep the neighbor's basketball from constantly going into his yard, but it would have been taller than allowed in that town. His solution? Plant bamboo.
 
2009-11-18 11:08:40 AM
NTidd: ihatedumbpeople: "The town code regulates items such as when garbage cans can be placed outside, noise volume, parking of boats, heights of fences, the number of tenants and landscaping. Lawns cannot be higher than eight inches in developed residential areas."

so...not only can these assholes tell you your lawn is too high, but they can tell you when you can pull out the garbage, where you can park your boat, how high you can make your fence...?

A-holes. F that.

There residents that live there accept all this when they "purchase" their home.


i'd be willing to bet a majority never actually read that...which is obviously their fault.

HOAs were intended to keep home values up and neighborhoods clean, not to let some idiot with a complex control everyone in the neighborhood...
 
2009-11-18 11:11:51 AM
"Last year Jupiter's seven-person Code Enforcement Division collected about $39,000 in fines, according to town records."


Seven freakin people and they collected an measly 39K in fines? WTF? really? this makes sense somehow? I sure hope they work on commision or something. 50,000+ residents means what... 25,000 homes max and they need 7 people to enforce the rules?
 
2009-11-18 11:13:15 AM
kittyhas1000legs: Plant bamboo.

Thankfully for him, I suppose no one in code enforcement in that town knows that bamboo is technically a grass. "Sir, your bamboo can only be eight inches high. This is a gross violation."

"Owning" a home in a place like that, or one with a similar HOA, only means that you get saddled with all the annoyances of both renting AND owning property. Fark that.
 
2009-11-18 11:15:11 AM
kittyhas1000legs: ihatedumbpeople: "The town code regulates items such as when garbage cans can be placed outside, noise volume, parking of boats, heights of fences, the number of tenants and landscaping. Lawns cannot be higher than eight inches in developed residential areas."

so...not only can these assholes tell you your lawn is too high, but they can tell you when you can pull out the garbage, where you can park your boat, how high you can make your fence...?

A-holes. F that.

One of my professors wanted to build a tall fence to keep the neighbor's basketball from constantly going into his yard, but it would have been taller than allowed in that town. His solution? Plant bamboo.


Damn good idea. That stuff grows like crazy.

/waiting on the HOA to ban bamboo, since it's likely "non-native" or some other BS.
//buddy lives in Florida, had to do his lawn in a particular grass per the HOA agreement. Grass was non-native and dies constantly, not meant for that climate. HOA agreement also says it has to be green. Hello water bill.
 
2009-11-18 11:16:44 AM
swahnhennessy: Translation: "We need more funds for our Xmas party."

Came here to say this.

/would never have an hoa
 
2009-11-18 11:17:53 AM
ihatedumbpeople: "The town code regulates items such as when garbage cans can be placed outside, noise volume, parking of boats, heights of fences, the number of tenants and landscaping. Lawns cannot be higher than eight inches in developed residential areas."

so...not only can these assholes tell you your lawn is too high, but they can tell you when you can pull out the garbage, where you can park your boat, how high you can make your fence...?

A-holes. F that.


I want to see their property values. Because there is absolutely no incentive to even buy a house there. You have more freedom in an apartment.
 
2009-11-18 11:21:28 AM
I'd rather deal with city code enforcement than a farking HOA.
 
pla
2009-11-18 11:27:48 AM
Spindle : TFA has no mention of how high "too tall" is.

Um, yes, it does.

Eight inches.

Now, I keep my mower set to its highest cut, and only mow every 2-3 weeks, and don't think I've ever hit eight inches (unless you count dandelion flowers, which can go from zero-to-over-a-foot literally overnight).

So while I normally step to the front of the line to berate ordinances such as this, this time, I really have to give the town a pass for having a reasonable limit... This doesn't affect people even semi-regularly mowing their "lawns", it affects people who completely ignore their "overgrown yard of weeds".

Though IMO, this may well target foreclosures or otherwise-abandoned yards specifically, giving the town a slice of the pie when the bank steps in... "Yeah, about that $500k you just made? After almost a year out of compliance, you owe us $300k of that, but we'll settle for the low, low price of $200k!"
 
2009-11-18 11:28:20 AM
Thisbymaster: I am sure this has nothing to do with falling tax revenue, nothing at all.

my mom took over the HOA in her area and holy fark are 90% of these HOA's corrupt, lazy, and taking under the table deals while having someone from the HOA on a salary. She has to fight an unbelievable amount of propaganda and things that are linked so deep that parts of it can't be changed. So cook county, thank, well, cook county for farking you over back in the 70's. Wonder why suburban subdivisions get floods so bad? Yeah, thank the douchebags from the 70's who took money to look the other way.

/these things aren't designed to improve, they're easily subverted by corporate interests
 
2009-11-18 11:30:18 AM
pla: Spindle : TFA has no mention of how high "too tall" is.

Um, yes, it does.

Eight inches.

Now, I keep my mower set to its highest cut, and only mow every 2-3 weeks, and don't think i've ever hit eight inches(unless you count dandelion flowers, which can go from zero-to-over-a-foot literally overnight).

So while I normally step to the front of the line to berate ordinances such as this, this time, I really have to give the town a pass for having a reasonable limit... This doesn't affect people even semi-regularly mowing their "lawns", it affects people who completely ignore their "overgrown yard of weeds".

Though IMO, this may well target foreclosures or otherwise-abandoned yards specifically, giving the town a slice of the pie when the bank steps in... "Yeah, about that $500k you just made? After almost a year out of compliance, you owe us $300k of that, but we'll settle for the low, low price of $200k!"


Your wife was just complaining about that.
 
2009-11-18 11:30:57 AM
pla: So while I normally step to the front of the line to berate ordinances such as this, this time, I really have to give the town a pass for having a reasonable limit... This doesn't affect people even semi-regularly mowing their "lawns", it affects people who completely ignore their "overgrown yard of weeds".

Why do you think it's reasonable to have any limit?
 
2009-11-18 11:35:46 AM
ihatedumbpeople: but they can tell you when you can pull out the garbage, where you can park your boat,

You'd be surprised how many places have rules about where you can store a boat.

Also, the garbage one is important. Without it you have people putting garbage out days in advance of trash day, which inevitably leads to trash all over the goddamn neighborhood.

pla: Though IMO, this may well target foreclosures or otherwise-abandoned yards specifically, giving the town a slice of the pie when the bank steps in... "Yeah, about that $500k you just made? After almost a year out of compliance, you owe us $300k of that, but we'll settle for the low, low price of $200k!"

Sounds good to me. If a bank forecloses on someone and lets the property rot, they deserve to get stuck with a fine. And I'm with you, 8 inches is some pretty darn high grass.
 
2009-11-18 11:37:38 AM
I wonder how many of the folks supporting this intrusion into private property are "small government" republicans.
 
2009-11-18 11:38:27 AM
My environmental chem prof had a huge hate on for 'lawns'.

A stupid waste of chemicals and effort to maintain, and no real benefit.

I think if this every time my wife pummels me into cutting our lawn.

//I agree with him.
 
2009-11-18 11:38:53 AM
Jackson Herring: Why do you think it's reasonable to have any limit?

Why do you think its unreasonable for a majority of homeowners in an area to set agreed upon standards of some kind?

Note: I don't really care about grass all that much, and I think most HOAs take things too far, but I really don't have a problem with society forming rules. My definition of being free does not require that my neighbor be allowed to have a yard like Fred Sanford's.
 
pla
2009-11-18 11:41:06 AM
wage0048 : How big is your lawn that it takes 8 hours to mow?

Not 8 hours, but mine actually takes me the better part of an afternoon (4+ hours), without even bagging the clippings (thank Toro for mulching mowers!)... 2 acres of lawn, with tons of annoying "landscaping" (meaning irregularly shaped flowerbeds and trees) features. And that doesn't count the hour of prep-time picking up sticks and such from the perimeter.

And I've seen bigger... So yeah, I can see 8 hours of mowing. Not for a perfectly flat rectangular quarter acre lot, but anywhere you have "natural" terrain and lots of it, yard maintenance turns into a full-day chore
 
2009-11-18 11:41:07 AM
pla: , and don't think I've ever hit eight inches


my wife's lawn routinely hits 9 inches.


/or so I am told.
 
2009-11-18 11:43:44 AM
Smackledorfer: Note: I don't really care about grass all that much, and I think most HOAs take things too far, but I really don't have a problem with society forming rules. My definition of being free does not require that my neighbor be allowed to have a yard like Fred Sanford's.

Your community's rights over your private property should be limited to safety, zoning, etc. It should not allow the majority to force you to comply with their aesthetic standards.
 
2009-11-18 11:45:13 AM
Having a lawn is wasteful and retarded anyway. Dig that vampire up and plant a garden.
 
2009-11-18 11:48:19 AM
Smarshmallow: Your community's rights over your private property should be limited to safety, zoning, etc. It should not allow the majority to force you to comply with their aesthetic standards.

eight inches is hardly aesthetic standards at that point it does start to become a safety and health violation. You want to live on a farm.. dont live in a town/city. There are plusses and minuses to living in a grouplike area ( village, commune, town, city, state, country) You take the plusses with the minuses or you leave. Sorry but thats the way it is.
 
pla
2009-11-18 11:51:14 AM
Jackson Herring : Why do you think it's reasonable to have any limit?

Really depends on population density, IMO. Where I live, such limits simply make no sense to bother enforcing (and I say that with neighbors who let their yard go to hell), because enough wooded space occurs between houses that my neighbors don't significantly affect the value of my own home.

If I had a dozen neighbors within spitting distance and a few hundred within a half-mile radius (such as you see commonly in Florida), then yeah, one eyesore over which I would have no real control could cost me a fortune should I want to sell.

Even then, as I said originally, I totally oppose most such ordinances and HOA regs... But something as reasonable as eight inches? Doesn't sound like "you used the wrong shade of white on your decorative fence" so much as "no wolves allowed after 9pm"
 
2009-11-18 11:51:20 AM
Smarshmallow: Smackledorfer: Note: I don't really care about grass all that much, and I think most HOAs take things too far, but I really don't have a problem with society forming rules. My definition of being free does not require that my neighbor be allowed to have a yard like Fred Sanford's.

Your community's rights over your private property should be limited to safety, zoning, etc. It should not allow the majority to force you to comply with their aesthetic standards.


THIS.

Additionally, it's never the majority that make up these ridiculous rules. It's the majority of the busybodies who have nothing better to do that to tell you how your property should look who come up with them.
 
2009-11-18 11:52:19 AM
pla: So while I normally step to the front of the line to berate ordinances such as this, this time, I really have to give the town a pass for having a reasonable limit... This doesn't affect people even semi-regularly mowing their "lawns", it affects people who completely ignore their "overgrown yard of weeds".

Heaven forbid someone has a meadow...
 
2009-11-18 11:54:05 AM
Smarshmallow: Smackledorfer: Note: I don't really care about grass all that much, and I think most HOAs take things too far, but I really don't have a problem with society forming rules. My definition of being free does not require that my neighbor be allowed to have a yard like Fred Sanford's.

Your community's rights over your private property should be limited to safety, zoning, etc. It should not allow the majority to force you to comply with their aesthetic standards.


That is a reasonable standard.

I would say having your neighbor's yard be a wildlife refuge for vermin goes beyond mere aesthetics though. I'm not saying you are saying it doesn't, but while I agree with your general statement, I'm unsure about whether you view some problems the same way as I do.
 
2009-11-18 11:55:33 AM
I wonder if there's a fine for digging up your lawn and replacing it with beautiful black tar or concrete.

/probably
 
2009-11-18 11:59:44 AM
Smarshmallow: Smackledorfer: Note: I don't really care about grass all that much, and I think most HOAs take things too far, but I really don't have a problem with society forming rules. My definition of being free does not require that my neighbor be allowed to have a yard like Fred Sanford's.

Your community's rights over your private property should be limited to safety, zoning, etc. It should not allow the majority to force you to comply with their aesthetic standards.


I hear what you're saying and I agree with it to an extent, but have you ever tried to sell a house next to a run-down, unmaintained dump of a property? That has a real impact on house prices. It's not just about aesthetics. I'm OK with reasonable standards and reasonable punishments for not meeting those standards. These punishments are clearly exorbitant though the standards seem reasonable.
 
2009-11-18 12:01:30 PM
Around here you can have your lawn as high as you damn well please, as long as you have a small "Prairie restoration" sign tastefully placed somewhere. When code enforcement comes knocking, you just refer them to the local environmental folks, who will gladly "educate" them (tear them a new one and convince them that they are evil bureaucrats hell-bent on killing the planet).

Then again the local sewer district needs something like $3 billion to make necessary upgrades due to all the water runoff after storms. Culprit number one? The idiots who maintain perfect 1 inch lawns year round. They might as well be covering their properties with large plastic sheets every time it rains.
 
2009-11-18 12:03:57 PM
Smackledorfer: I would say having your neighbor's yard be a wildlife refuge for vermin goes beyond mere aesthetics though.

Man you suburban types are prissy. No a meadow isn't a breeding ground for 'vermin', lived by one most of my life and the worst I had to deal with was ticks, and then only if I walked through it.
 
2009-11-18 12:08:29 PM
ThematicDevice: Man you suburban types are prissy. No a meadow isn't a breeding ground for 'vermin', lived by one most of my life and the worst I had to deal with was ticks, and then only if I walked through it.

meadows are usually extremely full of mice. You just cant see them because of the meadowiness.
 
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