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(Washington Post)   Coors Light it ain't: More "extreme beers" come on the market, including an IPA that aged for two months on a mackerel trawler and an ale with 225 bitterness units but only 1.1 percent alcohol   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2009-11-18 12:00:51 PM  
What an extreme waste of hops. You cant get all the flavors out with virtually no alcohol
 
2009-11-18 12:34:29 PM  
I've got an extreme idea. How about crafting beers with less hops?
 
2009-11-18 12:42:12 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I've got an extreme idea. How about crafting beers with less hops?


As much as I like IPAs, I concur that other styles need to trend away from this "hop everything" movement. Yes, we're all excited there isn't a hop shortage anymore. Let's move on.

Anyway... brewing a Stout (only one hop addition; 1 oz.)

img.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-18 12:45:31 PM  

HulkHands: UNC_Samurai: I've got an extreme idea. How about crafting beers with less hops?

As much as I like IPAs, I concur that other styles need to trend away from this "hop everything" movement. Yes, we're all excited there isn't a hop shortage anymore. Let's move on.

Anyway... brewing a Stout (only one hop addition; 1 oz.)


heh- I dont like stouts unless they are huge. My Last RIS was 4oz of magnums and clocked in at 12.2%. 2lbs of German chocolate malt, 60l, 120, black patent
 
2009-11-18 12:48:04 PM  
That's 2 pounds there, 60L and Black Patent. First recipe I designed
 
2009-11-18 12:50:30 PM  
No I meant 2lbs of German chocolate by itself.

Oh and I forgot the roasted barley.

I forgot how many lbs of 2 row it took, but it was a lot.
 
2009-11-18 12:53:11 PM  
Sam Adams is not "extreme beer." The most extreme thing I ever had by Boston Beer was the cranberry lambic, which I enjoyed (though I seem to be the only one). I can't find it anywhere now.

This

img692.imageshack.us

is extreme beer.
 
2009-11-18 01:00:50 PM  
Beer Snob Thread!!!
 
2009-11-18 01:00:54 PM  

FishyFred: Sam Adams is not "extreme beer."


The Utopias line are pretty extreme.
 
2009-11-18 01:00:55 PM  
Which one gives the best explosive diarrhea?
/got some noisey neighbors that need tending
 
2009-11-18 01:03:30 PM  

FishyFred: Sam Adams is not "extreme beer."


The 1790 Root Beer Brew was pretty extreme.
Extremely nasty.

Had a smoked beer for this first time this weekend. Loved it.
 
2009-11-18 01:06:14 PM  
Just tried a Czech lager the other night, pretty good.

Anybody wanna point me in the direction of some other good lagers?
 
2009-11-18 01:06:33 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I've got an extreme idea. How about crafting beers with less hops?


You might be on to something; But then the neckbeards would have a fit.

I've said it before and i'll say it again; this super hop crap is out of control. I wish I could find more craft lagers, fruit wheats, and the like. I can't see how anyone could TRUTHFULLY say that the super hopped IPA's taste good. Like when you were a kid and would put 5 mega warheads in your mouth and play it off, like they weren't sour and nasty.

This statement alone is probably going to get me flamed, but screw it.
 
2009-11-18 01:06:48 PM  

gorgor: Which one gives the best explosive diarrhea?
/got some noisey neighbors that need tending


Have 17 Yeunglings. You won't get the fart smell out of your house for a week, though.
 
2009-11-18 01:07:16 PM  
I like hop flavor if it's done right. You have to balance the floral characteristics with the bitterness. I don't care for the bitterness-at-all-costs philosophy found in some ales, Sierra Nevada being a prime example; I just can't drink their stuff.

I do enjoy Stone IPA and Longhammer by Redhook. I believe these are properly balanced so that while bitter, the citrus and florals are just right.

Also, Budweiser American Ale isn't terrible. My only complaint is that it's not malty enough-it has a very dry flavor with little after taste. Put some more malt in there and it would be great.

/beer snob
//but likes some Coors on the golf course
///I know, right?
 
2009-11-18 01:07:40 PM  

gorgor: Which one gives the best explosive diarrhea?
/got some noisey neighbors that need tending


Don't forget to eat about 2 dozen pepperoncinis with the crappy IPA
 
2009-11-18 01:07:56 PM  
Why not just make 'extreme'-ly good beer?
 
2009-11-18 01:08:46 PM  

phedex: UNC_Samurai: I've got an extreme idea. How about crafting beers with less hops?

You might be on to something; But then the neckbeards would have a fit.

I've said it before and i'll say it again; this super hop crap is out of control. I wish I could find more craft lagers, fruit wheats, and the like. I can't see how anyone could TRUTHFULLY say that the super hopped IPA's taste good. Like when you were a kid and would put 5 mega warheads in your mouth and play it off, like they weren't sour and nasty.

This statement alone is probably going to get me flamed, but screw it.


People like different things. I like most very hoppy beers I've had. The majority of craft beers aren't super hopped IPAs, so there aught to be enough out there for you to find new stuff you like to try.
 
2009-11-18 01:08:49 PM  
Dead Guy Ale

that is all
 
2009-11-18 01:08:51 PM  

LoveRBS: Just tried a Czech lager the other night, pretty good.

Anybody wanna point me in the direction of some other good lagers?


Augustiner

And enough of the crafty beers. After 4oz, im farking sick of the double-bocked oatmeal truffle 90-minute IPA reserve
 
2009-11-18 01:09:07 PM  
You know what is out now? Shiner Cheer.
3.bp.blogspot.com

Hells to the yeah.
 
2009-11-18 01:09:16 PM  

gorgor: Which one gives the best explosive diarrhea?
/got some noisey neighbors that need tending


try black diamonds imperial stout, although i think that someone had the explosive diarrhea then they bottled it.
 
2009-11-18 01:09:17 PM  

LoveRBS: Anybody wanna point me in the direction of some other good lagers?


from PA craft brewers
Stoudt's Gold
Victory Prima Pils
Troegs Sunshine Pils
 
2009-11-18 01:10:34 PM  
Link (new window)


That is all.
 
2009-11-18 01:10:56 PM  
FTA: Nanny State, an "imperial mild" from the BrewDog microbrewery in Fraserburgh, Scotland, is the anti-Utopias, but just as extreme

I have to try some of this, just from the name alone. It'll probably be as horrible as the He'brew I got, but still!

And I heard about the IPA trawler. It's not quite the same as sailing to India, but I still want some.
Even if I am on the wrong side of the pond.

/maybe I can get Sherbrook's to order some in....
//Beer club of the month ftw!
///He'brew. The chosen beer!
 
2009-11-18 01:11:45 PM  

wugou: I like hop flavor if it's done right. You have to balance the floral characteristics with the bitterness. I don't care for the bitterness-at-all-costs philosophy found in some ales, Sierra Nevada being a prime example; I just can't drink their stuff.

I do enjoy Stone IPA and Longhammer by Redhook. I believe these are properly balanced so that while bitter, the citrus and florals are just right.

Also, Budweiser American Ale isn't terrible. My only complaint is that it's not malty enough-it has a very dry flavor with little after taste. Put some more malt in there and it would be great.

/beer snob
//but likes some Coors on the golf course
///I know, right?

my buddy's wife calls stone IPA "light ruination" give me hops or give me death
 
2009-11-18 01:12:16 PM  

FishyFred: Sam Adams is not "extreme beer." The most extreme thing I ever had by Boston Beer was the cranberry lambic, which I enjoyed (though I seem to be the only one). I can't find it anywhere now.


It's in their holiday 12 packs.
 
2009-11-18 01:12:18 PM  
Good suggestions, thankies:)
/was thinking more of a knock knock, who's there
//spprrraaaallltttlee
///runs
 
2009-11-18 01:12:25 PM  

armyfirstfarker: Dead Guy Ale

that is all


Dog Fish Head IPA
 
2009-11-18 01:12:58 PM  
Ugh... a beer thread on the mainpage.
 
2009-11-18 01:13:56 PM  
and oh yeah, anything by budweiser is just piss not even worth cooking with, and then their newest nasty brew "bud light wheat" didnt know that they could make something horrible even worse.
 
2009-11-18 01:15:21 PM  

FishyFred: Sam Adams is not "extreme beer." The most extreme thing I ever had by Boston Beer was the cranberry lambic, which I enjoyed (though I seem to be the only one). I can't find it anywhere now.

This

is extreme beer.


Obviously then you have never had Samuel Adams Utopias 27% highest of any beer in the world. And sells for about $100+ a bottle.

I got to try a taster at the GAMBF this year. Very good, sweet almost sherry like.
 
2009-11-18 01:15:24 PM  

sonofslacker: armyfirstfarker: Dead Guy Ale

that is all

Dog Fish Head IPA


just got back from a vacation to their brewery, we were so pissed we missed the 120 minute ipa by 3 days (they were not going to be bottling it till after we left).
 
2009-11-18 01:16:42 PM  
An IBU of 225?

Sheesh - vomit only has an IBU of 200 or so...
 
2009-11-18 01:16:45 PM  

HulkHands: As much as I like IPAs, I concur that other styles need to trend away from this "hop everything" movement. Yes, we're all excited there isn't a hop shortage anymore. Let's move on.


I live in San Diego, hop beer capital of the world, brewers are starting to branch out.

Beligum style sours is the new craze and barrel ageing.
 
2009-11-18 01:17:06 PM  
Here's an extreme beer if you can afford it.

Link

i221.photobucket.com

would probably be on par with PBR
oh the humanity
 
2009-11-18 01:17:56 PM  
The thing is, good IPAs should be hoppy, but not grass clipping flavored like many of these trendy ones micro brewerys are dumping on the market. Beer should taste good, and be drinkable in large amounts for best enjoyment, but when the beer is so bitter that you have to choke it down how can you enjoy it?

Best IPA I have ever had was at Raccoon River Brewing Co. in Des Moines, IA.

But, then again, I prefer stouts, lagers and trappist ales.
 
2009-11-18 01:18:09 PM  
I ride my bike right past Coors every weekend. The smell that emits from there has killed any need to try Coors beer. Bad association thing going on....
 
2009-11-18 01:18:15 PM  

Glug the Beer Slayer: sonofslacker: armyfirstfarker: Dead Guy Ale

that is all

Dog Fish Head IPA

just got back from a vacation to their brewery, we were so pissed we missed the 120 minute ipa by 3 days (they were not going to be bottling it till after we left).


Have only had the 90 minute ipa. Good stuff.
 
2009-11-18 01:19:01 PM  
Belgiums have been doing extreme beers for centuries now.

/Tired of "lets through more hops in and see what happens"
//Still a hophead though.
 
2009-11-18 01:19:26 PM  
Beer thread
blackholes.stardate.org

Approves
 
2009-11-18 01:20:24 PM  

armyfirstfarker: Dead Guy Ale

that is all


Rogue Deadguy Ale? I tried that for the first time last weekend... very disappointed.

Conversely, I also tried Guulden Drak, Beazelbuth, and a "Chuck Norris" (Abita Andy Gator and Woodchuck..) and was very pleased.

Week before, Double Chocolate Stouts with Raspberry Lambic.
 
2009-11-18 01:21:03 PM  

Glug the Beer Slayer: just got back from a vacation to their brewery, we were so pissed we missed the 120 minute ipa by 3 days (they were not going to be bottling it till after we left).


You vacationed to Delaware?

HulkHands: As much as I like IPAs, I concur that other styles need to trend away from this "hop everything" movement. Yes, we're all excited there isn't a hop shortage anymore. Let's move on.


Agreed. The key word is "balance."
 
2009-11-18 01:22:03 PM  
i13.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-18 01:22:20 PM  
Just had one of these yesterday:

farm4.static.flickr.com

farm1.static.flickr.com

It may not be high gravity but it was AWESOME. (I normally prefer incredibly dark and stout beers)

I highly recommend giving it a try, especially if you've moved to AZ for the year like I have. It's great when it's hot out.
 
2009-11-18 01:22:20 PM  
Jim Koch takes credit for coining the term "extreme beer."

This is where I stopped reading.
 
2009-11-18 01:22:46 PM  
www.energyproductions.com
 
2009-11-18 01:23:31 PM  

Glug the Beer Slayer: and oh yeah, anything by budweiser is just piss not even worth cooking with, and then their newest nasty brew "bud light wheat" didnt know that they could make something horrible even worse.


I got two free cases of Bud Select back when I worked for a company that had A-B as one if its largest clients. The beer was undrinkable, but I filled a pot with a few bottles of that stuff, a chopped onion, some fresh spices, and then boild brats in it. Threw the brats on the grill after to get some char on the outside. Served them with the onions on top.

Those things were TASTY.

Oh and for the beed snobs: Delirium Nocturnum

I've got a batch of home brew going right now that's trying to simulate it. We'll see how it comes out.
 
2009-11-18 01:23:36 PM  
i997.photobucket.com
Bitter beer face!
 
2009-11-18 01:23:41 PM  
an ale with 225 bitterness units but only 1.1 percent alcohol

F-ALE
 
2009-11-18 01:23:53 PM  
I'm learning how to homebrew, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2009-11-18 01:24:28 PM  

phedex: I've said it before and i'll say it again; this super hop crap is out of control. I wish I could find more craft lagers, fruit wheats, and the like. I can't see how anyone could TRUTHFULLY say that the super hopped IPA's taste good. Like when you were a kid and would put 5 mega warheads in your mouth and play it off, like they weren't sour and nasty.


I once heard this compared to chefs trying to outdo each other by adding more and more salt to a dish, and then eaters thinking they were badass because they ate the saltiest dish ever and totally enjoyed it.
 
2009-11-18 01:24:34 PM  
I am a fan of high alcohol, low finishing gravity, lightly hopped beers. This is my staple:

6.6lbs Light LME
3 lbs supermarket clover honey
1 oz cascade hops boil 45mins.

One of my favorite beers, ~8%, and costs me ~$35 to make 5 gallons.

Beer snob thread!!
 
2009-11-18 01:24:49 PM  
The most "extreme" beer I've enjoyed wasn't exactly super-hoppy, but it was super flavorful.

Great Lakes Brewery occasionally makes their Barrel-Aged Blackout Stout in old bourbon barrels. The result; Bourbon Barrel Blackout Stout is without a doubt the most delicious beer I've ever had. It tastes like a lightly chocolate-flavored stout infused with a smokey bourbon.

It costs nearly $10.00 a glass, isn't available in bottles, and sells out within a few days of release.
Luckily, I live around the corner from the brewery, and had the occasion to partake.

www.humpdayhappiness.com
 
2009-11-18 01:25:29 PM  
I'll take my Coors Light any day over any of the fag-fest beers that only yuppies would pay for. Coors Light is a constant in my Kegerator.... 1 of the 4 kegs in it anyway.
 
2009-11-18 01:26:56 PM  

LandOfChocolate: Glug the Beer Slayer: just got back from a vacation to their brewery, we were so pissed we missed the 120 minute ipa by 3 days (they were not going to be bottling it till after we left).

You vacationed to Delaware?

HulkHands: As much as I like IPAs, I concur that other styles need to trend away from this "hop everything" movement. Yes, we're all excited there isn't a hop shortage anymore. Let's move on.

Agreed. The key word is "balance."


two buddies and i took a trip from central ohio through PA to visit Yeungling brewery, and the Church Brewery all in pittsburg, then went to Denny's Beer Barrel Saloon for the 3 pound burger challange, then we went to Dog Fish Head brewery. our trip next year is to visit stone brewery.
 
2009-11-18 01:27:52 PM  

VetteLT193: I'll take my Coors Light any day over any of the fag-fest beers that only yuppies would pay for. Coors Light is a constant in my Kegerator.... 1 of the 4 kegs in it anyway.


There is a fag-fest? Where is it held? If there is indeed a national fag festival full of all the beers that are not Coors Light, I'm going to buy a plane ticket and some rainbow short-shorts.
 
2009-11-18 01:29:41 PM  

Treygreen13: There is a fag-fest? Where is it held? If there is indeed a national fag festival full of all the beers that are not Coors Light, I'm going to buy a plane ticket and some rainbow short-shorts.


Whoa, whoa, whoa...are you mocking a man with a KEGERATOR?
 
2009-11-18 01:29:45 PM  

VetteLT193: I'll take my Coors Light any day over any of the fag-fest beers that only yuppies would pay for. Coors Light is a constant in my Kegerator.... 1 of the 4 kegs in it anyway.


LOL
 
2009-11-18 01:29:49 PM  
I can tell you that there is no farking way that beer is 225 IBUs. Calculated BU's, maybe, but ACTUAL BU's? No way. Alpha acids aren't soluble enough to get levels that high. The BU assay isn't linear at that high of a level, either.

Not a chance.

And:
FTFA: IBUs measure a beer's level of alpha acids, the primary bittering compound in hops.

No, the BU assay does not measure alpha acids, it does not measure iso-alpha acids either (the actual bittering compounds, which are isomerized alpha acids). It measures anything in acidified beer or wort which is extracted by 2,2,4-trimethylpentane and has an absorbance at 275nm. The things that fall in this category are not exclusively humulones or isohumulones. It is a reasonable guideline for the amount of iso's, however. (BU's are usually about 1.5-2 times the level of iso's in ppm, based on my own research).


/brewing chemist, sensory scientist, published hop chemistry author
 
2009-11-18 01:30:35 PM  

FishyFred: Sam Adams is not "extreme beer." The most extreme thing I ever had by Boston Beer was the cranberry lambic, which I enjoyed (though I seem to be the only one). I can't find it anywhere now.


1.bp.blogspot.com

Aye, the cranberry lambic was a tasty brew. Everyone I know hated it, but they're all Corona drinkers so they don't count as beer drinkers so much as garbage disposals.
 
2009-11-18 01:30:47 PM  
Jesus. 225 IBU at 1.1%? If I want something like that, I'll use a whole can of Folger's to make a single pot of coffee.
 
2009-11-18 01:31:25 PM  

Talondel: Glug the Beer Slayer: and oh yeah, anything by budweiser is just piss not even worth cooking with, and then their newest nasty brew "bud light wheat" didnt know that they could make something horrible even worse.

I got two free cases of Bud Select back when I worked for a company that had A-B as one if its largest clients. The beer was undrinkable, but I filled a pot with a few bottles of that stuff, a chopped onion, some fresh spices, and then boild brats in it. Threw the brats on the grill after to get some char on the outside. Served them with the onions on top.

Those things were TASTY.

Oh and for the beed snobs: Delirium Nocturnum

I've got a batch of home brew going right now that's trying to simulate it. We'll see how it comes out.


im just not big on giving A-B my money, but i will admit to having drank their beers when some one who doesnt know any better gave me a 12 pack as payment for working on their car or something. would prefer PBR as my daily drinker.
 
2009-11-18 01:31:26 PM  
Say what you want about Bud, Coors, etc. type of beers, they're still the best-tasting beers to drink after a game of pickup hockey.
 
2009-11-18 01:31:54 PM  

litespeed74: I ride my bike right past Coors every weekend. The smell that emits from there has killed any need to try Coors beer. Bad association thing going on....


In the 80's, I was proud to say I pissed in a river upstream.
 
2009-11-18 01:32:19 PM  

MasterYong: Just had one of these yesterday:


It may not be high gravity but it was AWESOME. (I normally prefer incredibly dark and stout beers)
I highly recommend giving it a try, especially if you've moved to AZ for the year like I have. It's great when it's hot out.


I was given a Cave Creek chili beer by a friend with a "you have to try this" explination. Only beer I was unable to finish. It was later described to me as "a waste of a good beer and a good chili". I have to agree. Goes next to mustard and ice cream in my list of horrible food combos.
 
2009-11-18 01:32:41 PM  

VetteLT193: I'll take my Coors Light any day over any of the fag-fest beers that only yuppies would pay for. Coors Light is a constant in my Kegerator.... 1 of the 4 kegs in it anyway.



I'm not gonna say that all Coors Light drinkers are dumb rednecks, but I will venture to say that all dumb rednecks drink Coors Light.

/enjoy your pisswater
 
2009-11-18 01:33:13 PM  

Glug the Beer Slayer: and oh yeah, anything by budweiser is just piss not even worth cooking with, and then their newest nasty brew "bud light wheat" didnt know that they could make something horrible even worse.


Budweiser isn't meant to be good, it's meant to be uniform. You can have a Bud in Florida or Alaska, and it's going to be exactly the same thing. Kind of like a Big Mac.

That being said, the newest brew I've enjoyed is the porter produced by Southern Oregon Brewing. Good flavor, though a bit less fizz and foam than a lot of beers (though that can be a good thing).
 
2009-11-18 01:33:47 PM  

FishyFred: Sam Adams is not "extreme beer." The most extreme thing I ever had by Boston Beer was the cranberry lambic, which I enjoyed (though I seem to be the only one). I can't find it anywhere now.


What is it, your period?
 
2009-11-18 01:34:04 PM  

schattenteufel: The most "extreme" beer I've enjoyed wasn't exactly super-hoppy, but it was super flavorful.

Great Lakes Brewery occasionally makes their Barrel-Aged Blackout Stout in old bourbon barrels. The result; Bourbon Barrel Blackout Stout is without a doubt the most delicious beer I've ever had. It tastes like a lightly chocolate-flavored stout infused with a smokey bourbon.

It costs nearly $10.00 a glass, isn't available in bottles, and sells out within a few days of release.
Luckily, I live around the corner from the brewery, and had the occasion to partake.


I had it at last month's brewmaster's dinner. I concur with your assessment. Absolutely incredible.
 
2009-11-18 01:34:08 PM  

FishyFred:

This

is extreme beer.


I'll see that and raise you
www.drunkenpolack.com
this.
 
2009-11-18 01:34:17 PM  
CarriePrejean:

Tits or GTFO
 
2009-11-18 01:34:17 PM  

cfletch13: Say what you want about Bud, Coors, etc. type of beers, they're still the best-tasting beers to drink after a game of pickup hockey.


1) No
2) That's because you are just substituting it for water. Your statement is "They are the closest beer to water"

Even if I wanted a light lager there are many choices better.
 
2009-11-18 01:34:46 PM  

CarriePrejean: Treygreen13: There is a fag-fest? Where is it held? If there is indeed a national fag festival full of all the beers that are not Coors Light, I'm going to buy a plane ticket and some rainbow short-shorts.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...are you mocking a man with a KEGERATOR?


I was going to, until I saw that he has 4 kegs for his kegerator. I surely am not worthy of questioning a man who keeps 4 kegs of the finest mass-produced swill on hand at all times.
 
2009-11-18 01:34:50 PM  
I've been drinking good, but expensive lately...

Young's Double Chocolate Stout
Trappistes Rochefort 8 (blue cap)
Stone Russian Imperial Stout
And a six of Ipswich Oatmeal Sout


Hmm.. there's a trend here. I'm going to have to get another six of DFH to balance me out. Or maybe some Chimay or Duvel (wide grin).

BTW, I never got the beer snob thing about looking down on SA. Yes Koch maybe more a business man than a brewer, but come on. Who's going to tell me their Cream Stout, Double Bock, Triple Bock, Boston Ale, or any of the limited releases aren't the real deal?

*awaits impending facetiousness*
 
2009-11-18 01:35:22 PM  

Embden.Meyerhof: I can tell you that there is no farking way that beer is 225 IBUs. Calculated BU's, maybe, but ACTUAL BU's? No way. Alpha acids aren't soluble enough to get levels that high. The BU assay isn't linear at that high of a level, either.

Not a chance.

And:
FTFA: IBUs measure a beer's level of alpha acids, the primary bittering compound in hops.

No, the BU assay does not measure alpha acids, it does not measure iso-alpha acids either (the actual bittering compounds, which are isomerized alpha acids). It measures anything in acidified beer or wort which is extracted by 2,2,4-trimethylpentane and has an absorbance at 275nm. The things that fall in this category are not exclusively humulones or isohumulones. It is a reasonable guideline for the amount of iso's, however. (BU's are usually about 1.5-2 times the level of iso's in ppm, based on my own research).


/brewing chemist, sensory scientist, published hop chemistry author


www.slovart.cz
 
2009-11-18 01:35:31 PM  

TheOtherOne79: FishyFred:

This

is extreme beer.

I'll see that and raise you

this.


I think DFH does the best unusual beers of any brewery have you had the Chicory Stout yet?

Made with coffee beans. Very good.
 
2009-11-18 01:35:34 PM  

phedex: I can't see how anyone could TRUTHFULLY say that the super hopped IPA's taste good.


Shockingly, everyone's tastes are not the same. I was never a big fan of beer-- until I discovered the IPAs. I have not yet met one that I thought went "too far", but I'm sure we'll cross the line at some point. Possibly when I have to chew the hops.

/to be fair, I may be missing some taste buds
 
2009-11-18 01:36:06 PM  
Erie Brewing Co.
Railbender
Scottish Style Ale
6.8%
/tasty
 
2009-11-18 01:36:30 PM  

Snarfangel: Glug the Beer Slayer: and oh yeah, anything by budweiser is just piss not even worth cooking with, and then their newest nasty brew "bud light wheat" didnt know that they could make something horrible even worse.

Budweiser isn't meant to be good, it's meant to be uniform. You can have a Bud in Florida or Alaska, and it's going to be exactly the same thing. Kind of like a Big Mac.

That being said, the newest brew I've enjoyed is the porter produced by Southern Oregon Brewing. Good flavor, though a bit less fizz and foam than a lot of beers (though that can be a good thing).


i understand that but i dont want my beers to taste the same, thats why i got into all the craft brews and home brews, i want to drink something that makes me appreciate it.
 
2009-11-18 01:36:30 PM  

Glug the Beer Slayer: our trip next year is to visit stone brewery.


You won't be disapointed in Stone, they have a great facility. Their resturant is fantastic. There are other a number of good breweries throughout the San Diego area. I suggest you check out the San Diego Brewers Guild if you haven't already.

http://www.sandiegobrewersguild.org/brewery.php

Some of the brewers listed are pretty small operations (like 800 square feet in a strip mall small) but they make great beers. Balast Point in particular is worth trying.
 
2009-11-18 01:36:32 PM  

cfletch13: Say what you want about Bud, Coors, etc. type of beers, they're still the best-tasting beers to drink after a game of pickup hockey.


Maybe if you were wearing figure skates.

/snicker
 
2009-11-18 01:36:59 PM  
mackerel, I like mackerel. Seasons has good canned mackerel. Putting the beer on a boat in a great way to charge more than it is worth... why didn't I think of that.
 
2009-11-18 01:37:53 PM  
Best thing Sam Adams bottled, IMO, is

www.misselhornmedia.com
 
2009-11-18 01:38:09 PM  

Cryptic Farker: Erie Brewing Co.
Railbender
Scottish Style Ale
6.8%
/tasty


I picked up a 12 pack mixed case of theirs and I'm 2 for 3 on having the pilsner be horribly spoiled. Not as in skunked, but as in contaminated. I don't know what's up with that. The other 3 types have been fine.
 
2009-11-18 01:38:22 PM  

Treygreen13: CarriePrejean: Treygreen13: There is a fag-fest? Where is it held? If there is indeed a national fag festival full of all the beers that are not Coors Light, I'm going to buy a plane ticket and some rainbow short-shorts.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...are you mocking a man with a KEGERATOR?

I was going to, until I saw that he has 4 kegs for his kegerator. I surely am not worthy of questioning a man who keeps 4 kegs of the finest mass-produced swill on hand at all times.


LOL.
 
2009-11-18 01:38:34 PM  
Just came here to say that IBU numbers over 100 are worthless. Most breweries just write 100+.


www.beernewsletter.com

^ I'll just leave this here. Nothing seems extreme compared to younger.
 
2009-11-18 01:38:39 PM  

TheOtherOne79: FishyFred:

This

is extreme beer.

I'll see that and raise you

this.


oh yes that is one tasty beer and ive gotten out of the stouts as of late.
 
2009-11-18 01:40:03 PM  

HulkHands: Best thing Sam Adams bottled, IMO, is


Like I said earlier.

even though I am not much of a Samuel Adams beer fan, this is pretty good:

www.realbeer.com
 
2009-11-18 01:40:04 PM  

litespeed74: I ride my bike right past Coors every weekend. The smell that emits from there has killed any need to try Coors beer. Bad association thing going on....


My school bus in jr high went right by the socal bud factory along the 405 every day, that smell was ridiculous. Coincidentally, even though I don't like it so much I can stand to drink coors but can't stand bud.
 
2009-11-18 01:40:34 PM  

schattenteufel: The most "extreme" beer I've enjoyed wasn't exactly super-hoppy, but it was super flavorful.

Great Lakes Brewery occasionally makes their Barrel-Aged Blackout Stout in old bourbon barrels. The result; Bourbon Barrel Blackout Stout is without a doubt the most delicious beer I've ever had. It tastes like a lightly chocolate-flavored stout infused with a smokey bourbon.

It costs nearly $10.00 a glass, isn't available in bottles, and sells out within a few days of release.
Luckily, I live around the corner from the brewery, and had the occasion to partake


There is also a company in Louisville Kentucky which makes a Kentucky Bourbon Barrel Stout, I think it's BBC brewing. It's quite delicious with that bourbon finish. I buy my beer by the kegs but I know they sell it in bottles as well.
 
2009-11-18 01:41:21 PM  

Manhigh: I had it at last month's brewmaster's dinner. I concur with your assessment. Absolutely incredible.



Heh. Indeed. I read your favorite beer list. It mirrors mine almost exactly (except switch #2 with GL Blackout Stout)
 
2009-11-18 01:42:39 PM  

Glug the Beer Slayer: and oh yeah, anything by budweiser is just piss not even worth cooking with, and then their newest nasty brew "bud light wheat" didnt know that they could make something horrible even worse.


I wish I had saved that Studman 69 Beer Snob edition for these occasions...

Glug the Beer Slayer: im just not big on giving A-B my money, but i will admit to having drank their beers when some one who doesnt know any better gave me a 12 pack as payment for working on their car or something. would prefer PBR as my daily drinker.


I guess you would like PBR more than Bud if you enjoy nasty ass aftertaste. To each their own I guess. I mean, what do I know? I'm so uneducated that I actually LIKE ice cold Bud. And warm Miller Lite. I've tried dozens of other beers, tens of local craft beers, and several home brews. But clearly, I only like Bud because it's popular and well marketed, and I'm an uncultured slob.
 
2009-11-18 01:43:11 PM  

Talondel: Glug the Beer Slayer: our trip next year is to visit stone brewery.

You won't be disapointed in Stone, they have a great facility. Their resturant is fantastic. There are other a number of good breweries throughout the San Diego area. I suggest you check out the San Diego Brewers Guild if you haven't already.

http://www.sandiegobrewersguild.org/brewery.php

Some of the brewers listed are pretty small operations (like 800 square feet in a strip mall small) but they make great beers. Balast Point in particular is worth trying.


wow man thanks! we was looking for different ones to visit while we were there.
 
2009-11-18 01:43:29 PM  
mycatisposter:

[the little know-it-all.jpg]


Goood book. I've read it cover to cover a number of times and can recite it verbatim in 11 different languages, including Klingon.
 
2009-11-18 01:43:56 PM  
Has anyone had Dragon's Milk this year? I swear it tastes way different from last year. I know each barrel can taste a bit different, but I was shocked when I had it on draft the other night.
 
2009-11-18 01:43:57 PM  

Corvus: TheOtherOne79: FishyFred:

This

is extreme beer.

I'll see that and raise you

this.

I think DFH does the best unusual beers of any brewery have you had the Chicory Stout yet?

Made with coffee beans. Very good.


Terrapin Wake 'N Bake is great
 
2009-11-18 01:44:15 PM  

Mose: BTW, I never got the beer snob thing about looking down on SA. Yes Koch maybe more a business man than a brewer, but come on. Who's going to tell me their Cream Stout, Double Bock, Triple Bock, Boston Ale, or any of the limited releases aren't the real deal?


Any beer that sells more than 100 cases a year is mass produced swill, literally suitable only for consumption by livestock.
 
2009-11-18 01:45:45 PM  
Jackson Herring:

just stating my opinion, never said anything against the people who drink it. as you said to each their own.
 
kth
2009-11-18 01:46:05 PM  
farm4.static.flickr.com

Yum.
 
2009-11-18 01:46:28 PM  

Glug the Beer Slayer: and oh yeah, anything by budweiser is just piss not even worth cooking with, and then their newest nasty brew "bud light wheat" didnt know that they could make something horrible even worse.


I found Bud Light wheat to be tolerable. I would never by it for myself but it is a beerlike substance that people who hate beer and people who like beer can both drink. If I have to split a case with a girl then I'll go with BL wheat.
 
2009-11-18 01:47:24 PM  

you have pee hands: Cryptic Farker: Erie Brewing Co.
Railbender
Scottish Style Ale
6.8%
/tasty

I picked up a 12 pack mixed case of theirs and I'm 2 for 3 on having the pilsner be horribly spoiled. Not as in skunked, but as in contaminated. I don't know what's up with that. The other 3 types have been fine.


They do have a fair variety. I'm partial to this Scottish Ale. And it is readily available here.

Usually a lager guy. Have been trying many ales of late.
 
2009-11-18 01:48:01 PM  

Glug the Beer Slayer: just stating my opinion, never said anything against the people who drink it. as you said to each their own.


Actually your every comment was dripping with scorn for those of us who for some reason 'don't know better'.
 
2009-11-18 01:48:19 PM  
spacechicken170am:

wow wish i could find a girl who drank beer! lol most the women i know are into that overly sweetened fruit flavored stuff and im not talking about the lambics, that at least would be acceptable.
 
2009-11-18 01:48:37 PM  

Mose: I've been drinking good, but expensive lately...

Young's Double Chocolate Stout
Trappistes Rochefort 8 (blue cap)
Stone Russian Imperial Stout
And a six of Ipswich Oatmeal Stout


You listed off a few of my favorites there, so I'm going to take the liberty of recommending a few others you may not have tried. Ommegang Chocholate Indulgence is vastly superior to Young's Double Chocolate (and I say that while noting that Young's is still great). I also found Ska Brewing's Nefarious Ten Pin Imperial Porter to be slightly better than the Stone Imperial Stout.
 
2009-11-18 01:49:36 PM  

Jackson Herring: Glug the Beer Slayer: just stating my opinion, never said anything against the people who drink it. as you said to each their own.

Actually your every comment was dripping with scorn for those of us who for some reason 'don't know better'.


no my comments drip with scorn for the budweiser company, but if you would like i could have those feeling for you.
 
2009-11-18 01:49:46 PM  

Jackson Herring: Mose: BTW, I never got the beer snob thing about looking down on SA. Yes Koch maybe more a business man than a brewer, but come on. Who's going to tell me their Cream Stout, Double Bock, Triple Bock, Boston Ale, or any of the limited releases aren't the real deal?

Any beer that sells more than 100 cases a year is mass produced swill, literally suitable only for consumption by livestock.


Any livestock that consumes mass-produced swill is suitable only for dogfood -- and not the premium varieties, either , but the dry kind used for stray, unadoptable dogs at the local animal shelter.
 
2009-11-18 01:50:11 PM  
MasterYong:Cave Creek Chili Beer

...is horrible. One of the nastiest things I've ever tried (and only drank a couple of mouthfuls, at that).

They used to carry it in a bar I used to frequent, and only kept it in stock to give to people they wanted to annoy, or for making bets ("I'll give you ten bucks if you can finish this" "No").
 
2009-11-18 01:50:11 PM  
Extreme-ly cheap and drinkable

i167.photobucket.com


Extremely gross with X-TREME can!
www.mbcinfo.com
 
2009-11-18 01:51:21 PM  

Corvus:
I think DFH does the best unusual beers of any brewery have you had the Chicory Stout yet?

Made with coffee beans. Very good.


I've had it once. Quite enjoyed it.

Glug the Beer Slayer:
oh yes that is one tasty beer and ive gotten out of the stouts as of late.


4.bp.blogspot.com
deserves an honorable mention as well
 
2009-11-18 01:52:45 PM  

Talondel: Mose: I've been drinking good, but expensive lately...

Young's Double Chocolate Stout
Trappistes Rochefort 8 (blue cap)
Stone Russian Imperial Stout
And a six of Ipswich Oatmeal Stout

You listed off a few of my favorites there, so I'm going to take the liberty of recommending a few others you may not have tried. Ommegang Chocholate Indulgence is vastly superior to Young's Double Chocolate (and I say that while noting that Young's is still great). I also found Ska Brewing's Nefarious Ten Pin Imperial Porter to be slightly better than the Stone Imperial Stout.


Duly noted, I'll keep my eye out for those next time I'm over at Yankee Spirits.

/plug for the best liquor store in the state of MA, possibly all of New England
 
2009-11-18 01:53:09 PM  

Treygreen13: You know what is out now? Shiner Cheer.


I haaaaaaaaaaaaaate you.

Can't even find Shiner Bock in NY.
 
2009-11-18 01:55:41 PM  

schattenteufel: The most "extreme" beer I've enjoyed wasn't exactly super-hoppy, but it was super flavorful.

Great Lakes Brewery occasionally makes their Barrel-Aged Blackout Stout in old bourbon barrels. The result; Bourbon Barrel Blackout Stout is without a doubt the most delicious beer I've ever had. It tastes like a lightly chocolate-flavored stout infused with a smokey bourbon.

It costs nearly $10.00 a glass, isn't available in bottles, and sells out within a few days of release.
Luckily, I live around the corner from the brewery, and had the occasion to partake.


Looks like there is a dollars worth on the table then.
 
2009-11-18 01:56:48 PM  

Glug the Beer Slayer: spacechicken170am:

wow wish i could find a girl who drank beer! lol most the women i know are into that overly sweetened fruit flavored stuff and im not talking about the lambics, that at least would be acceptable.


That's the beauty of bud light wheat and blue moon. Have them try it and make sure you do the stupid little marteing ploy crap that goes with it. Put the orange in their blue moon (giggety) and roll the bottle of Bud Light wheat. It's stupid but chicks love that crap.
 
2009-11-18 01:56:53 PM  
Ahh a topic that the beer snobs can come out in. I prefer Holsten. They make some damn good pilsner's. Nice pale lager's with strong flavor of hops.

t2.gstatic.com

/Hotlinked for your pleasure!
 
2009-11-18 01:58:45 PM  
spacechicken170am:

shudder... yeah i think that ill keep buying them there sugar drinks lol, im not really a fan of any wheats or whites, im mainly a hophead that still enjoys a hardy stout or porter.
 
2009-11-18 01:59:35 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Treygreen13: You know what is out now? Shiner Cheer.

I haaaaaaaaaaaaaate you.

Can't even find Shiner Bock in NY.


If I could ship it there I would. There are hundreds of boxes of 12-packs of it at my grocery store.
 
2009-11-18 02:00:25 PM  

spacechicken170am: That's the beauty of bud light wheat and blue moon. Have them try it and make sure you do the stupid little marteing ploy crap that goes with it. Put the orange in their blue moon (giggety) and roll the bottle of Bud Light wheat. It's stupid but chicks love that crap.


I would never settle for anything less than Leinenkugel's. Chicks that go for Bud Light aren't classy at all.
 
2009-11-18 02:01:23 PM  
www.ratebeer.com

/Got plastered off this stuff in fall '07
//Still have a headache
 
2009-11-18 02:06:48 PM  
CarriePrejean:

i would prefer a woman that ask me to get her some arrogant bastard
 
2009-11-18 02:08:20 PM  
Kits only for me here - would love to start brewing from 'first principles' but I guess I haven't plucked up courage to do so yet (although I have been brewing from kits for 20 years). One day... one day.

The latest kits I am using are the Brewferm range of Belgian beers.

The Christmas beer I bottled a month or so ago. Other ones that have been bottled more recently are:

Grand Cru
Framboise
Abdij
Gold

and there's a Tripel in the barrel as sipping beer.

All brew out to 1010 (from an OG of 1070) ridiculously quickly, yet my brew room is less than 70F - the Grand Cru was down to a gloop every 15 minutes and had dropped bright within 5 days.

Not extreme beers as such (only around 8.5% but they seem to be pretty extreme yeasts.

The beers taste absolutely wonderful, and work out at about £10 for 16 or 17 half-litre bottles.
 
2009-11-18 02:08:40 PM  
adamsbeerblog.com
 
2009-11-18 02:10:06 PM  

Mr.Hawk:
Looks like there is a dollars worth on the table then.


That is exactly why man evolved to have tongues. Slurp.
 
2009-11-18 02:11:41 PM  

TheOtherOne79: FishyFred:

This

is extreme beer.

I'll see that and raise you

this.


World Wide Stout is by far the unholiest of all unholy beers I've ever had the displeasure of having... three times.

/can't remember all the beers I've had over the years, but I like me some Ruination IPA
 
2009-11-18 02:15:17 PM  

gorgor: Which one gives the best explosive diarrhea?
/got some noisey neighbors that need tending


PBR
 
2009-11-18 02:17:00 PM  

Landfill: gorgor: Which one gives the best explosive diarrhea?
/got some noisey neighbors that need tending

PBR


Nuh-uh. Steel Reserve High Gravity. Waaaay worse.
 
2009-11-18 02:17:31 PM  

Fleet:

World Wide Stout is by far the unholiest of all unholy beers I've ever had the displeasure of having... three times.


Hopefully not in one sitting...
 
2009-11-18 02:17:34 PM  

kth: Yum.


I think that's one of my favourite beers. Isn't it also called "La Trappe"? Most people think that it's Belgian, but it's actually Dutch (there are 7 monasteries brewing Trappist beer - the other 6 are in Belgium)
 
2009-11-18 02:19:05 PM  
its funny that most "beer snobs" posting here clearly don't like beer. it's easy to pick a brand that is obscure and call yourself a connoisseur but a weak pilsner is still a weak pilsner.

the hopped up beers are very, very good and if you don't like them then admit you like your yellow beers but don't dare call yourself a beer aficionado or snob. beer is supposed to have flavor, pretenders.

the best beers out there right now are:
stone's arrogant bastard
russian river's blind pig and pliney the elder
lagunitas' hop stoopid and lucky 13 ale

fyi,stone is hands down the best brewer in america right now. if you don't know that, you're not reading the trades or tasting their beer. (the special release vanilla porter has no equal.)

As stone says, "fizzy yellow beer is for wuzzies"

sincerely,
a true beer snob
 
2009-11-18 02:19:40 PM  
For the true connoisseur:

img4.imageshack.us

9.9% ABV, taurine, ginseng, caffeine, and "certified color".
 
2009-11-18 02:22:41 PM  

gorgor: Which one gives the best explosive diarrhea?
/got some noisey neighbors that need tending


Miller High Life Ice Light gave my brother and I the shiats like we swigged liquid ex-lax. I don't believe its on the market anymore (thank the maker), and its obvious they tried to do too much with that beer.
 
2009-11-18 02:23:03 PM  
I've never had an IPA I liked. In fact, I think I can safely say I hate IPA's. I love Stouts, Porters and Hefeweizen.
 
2009-11-18 02:23:26 PM  

ecalcott: its funny that most "beer snobs" posting here clearly don't like beer. it's easy to pick a brand that is obscure and call yourself a connoisseur but a weak pilsner is still a weak pilsner.

the hopped up beers are very, very good and if you don't like them then admit you like your yellow beers but don't dare call yourself a beer aficionado or snob. beer is supposed to have flavor, pretenders.

the best beers out there right now are:
stone's arrogant bastard
russian river's blind pig and pliney the elder
lagunitas' hop stoopid and lucky 13 ale

fyi,stone is hands down the best brewer in america right now. if you don't know that, you're not reading the trades or tasting their beer. (the special release vanilla porter has no equal.)

As stone says, "fizzy yellow beer is for wuzzies"

sincerely,
a true beer snob


I drive two states away twice a year to stock up on Stone beers.

Hows that for devotion to good beer?

/suppose I could move
//that would be hardcore
 
2009-11-18 02:23:51 PM  
"bitterness units" could describe the employees in several places I've worked...

//hops rule
 
2009-11-18 02:25:24 PM  
I brewed a highly-hopped RIS not too long ago. It's just now hit drinkability (4 months of bottle conditioning), and it tastes a good bit like Stone's Sublimely Self-Righteous Ale: a blast of resiny hops up front, yielding to a full roasty body with coffee and chocolate.

A local brewery (Brown's in Troy, NY) does a whiskey porter every now and again. It's a smokey porter aged in oak whiskey barrels. Absolutely delicious.
 
2009-11-18 02:33:12 PM  
oh yeah, how could I forget?

www.threefloyds.com
 
2009-11-18 02:34:28 PM  
farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2009-11-18 02:35:25 PM  
ecalcott:

fyi,stone is hands down the best brewer in america right now. if you don't know that, you're not reading the trades or tasting their beer. (the special release vanilla porter has no equal.)

TheOtherOne79:
I drive two states away twice a year to stock up on Stone beers.
Hows that for devotion to good beer?


Being a bit further north than you guys, I've not heard of this brewery...
But I wish to learn more.

/Newsletter subscribe?
 
2009-11-18 02:37:07 PM  
lh5.ggpht.com

Tastes like a lot of other IPAs, but at 10%. It's a win-win.
 
2009-11-18 02:38:36 PM  
They're building a microbrewery right across the street from my work. They can't finish it soon enough. I'm never going to get anything done now.

Boulevard Nutcracker ale is out now. Do they sell Sam Adams Scotch ale in 6 packs? Too cold in Colorado for IPAs lately.
 
2009-11-18 02:38:45 PM  
I love beer snob threads.

/going to buy a freezer this month and start lagering.
 
2009-11-18 02:41:42 PM  

VetteLT193: I'll take my Coors Light any day over any of the fag-fest beers that only yuppies would pay for. Coors Light is a constant in my Kegerator.... 1 of the 4 kegs in it anyway.


Keep your fizzy yellow piss-water... it means more real beer for the rest of us.

i31.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-18 02:42:08 PM  

Nunky: ecalcott:

fyi,stone is hands down the best brewer in america right now. if you don't know that, you're not reading the trades or tasting their beer. (the special release vanilla porter has no equal.)

TheOtherOne79:
I drive two states away twice a year to stock up on Stone beers.
Hows that for devotion to good beer?

Being a bit further north than you guys, I've not heard of this brewery...
But I wish to learn more.

/Newsletter subscribe?


Beeradvocate.com is a good place to start, and even though it tends to be more East Coast-centric (the founders are from the Boston area) Stone gets the attention it deserves there as well.
 
2009-11-18 02:42:38 PM  
You people and your "extreme" beers.

I boil 100 pounds of hops in 40 gallons of Everclear for three days, and then throw in one graham cracker. For extra fermentation, I use a strain of yeast developed by the Nazis for biological warfare.
 
2009-11-18 02:44:36 PM  

VetteLT193: I'll take my Coors Light any day over any of the fag-fest beers that only yuppies would pay for. Coors Light is a constant in my Kegerator.... 1 of the 4 kegs in it anyway.


I have a question for you. Did it hurt the first time you were penetrated by another man?

/just curious
 
2009-11-18 02:47:08 PM  

Algebrat: For the true connoisseur:

9.9% ABV, taurine, ginseng, caffeine, and "certified color".


That stuff is like magic for my girlfriend. It guarantees about 2 hours of great fun and then about 14 hours of sleep... followed by 8 hours of hangover. It is a 24 hour beverage.
 
2009-11-18 02:47:52 PM  
dead_dangler wins!
 
2009-11-18 02:48:05 PM  

schattenteufel: Manhigh: I had it at last month's brewmaster's dinner. I concur with your assessment. Absolutely incredible.


Heh. Indeed. I read your favorite beer list. It mirrors mine almost exactly (except switch #2 with GL Blackout Stout)


Yeah...my list is a bit outdated (add blackout stout, three philosophers, and a few others, warsteiner gets demoted.
 
2009-11-18 02:49:02 PM  

Snarfangel: Budweiser isn't meant to be good, it's meant to be uniform. You can have a Bud in Florida or Alaska, and it's going to be exactly the same thing. Kind of like a Big Mac.


What an odd goal.

"Mmmm... Samey!" - you just don't hear that a lot.
 
2009-11-18 02:50:58 PM  

ecalcott: its funny that most "beer snobs" posting here clearly don't like beer. it's easy to pick a brand that is obscure and call yourself a connoisseur but a weak pilsner is still a weak pilsner.


And a weak pilsner can still be a good beer.


the hopped up beers are very, very good

...to you and your palate. If there is one thing that my research in the flavor of beer has taught me, it's that people perceive beer flavor (especially bitterness) in vastly different ways. So your "my way or the highway" attitude it quite baseless.

beer is supposed to have flavor, pretenders.

what flavor? diacetyl is a flavor found in beer. 4-vinyl guaicol is a flavor found in beer. does that mean it's a good beer? NO. In some styles and at certain levels, these flavors are acceptable. In other styles they are defects. Some people like these flavors and some do not or are anosmic to them (look it up).

Furthermore, the beers with the least amount of flavor are often the most difficult to produce. Budweiser is an amazing beer, not because it tastes good (again, personal preferences), but because there is no massive hop and malt flavors to hide the defects. It's easy to make a big flavorful hoppy and malty beer, because you can be sloppy. All that bitterness and hop and malt aroma masks a lot of potential defects. The macrobrewers can't get away with that. They make the same beer in dozens of breweries around the world, and it all tastes the same: defect-less.

the best beers out there right now are:
stone's arrogant bastard
russian river's blind pig and pliney the elder
lagunitas' hop stoopid and lucky 13 ale

fyi,stone is hands down the best brewer in america right now. if you don't know that, you're not reading the trades or tasting their beer. (the special release vanilla porter has no equal.)


Chock full of personal preferences that have little meaning to other human beings.

As stone says, "fizzy yellow beer is for wuzzies"

Fallen for their marketing hook, line, and sinker.


sincerely,
a true beer snob a narrow-minded, uneducated beer-bully


FTFY
 
2009-11-18 02:52:14 PM  

TheOtherOne79: Hopefully not in one sitting...


That's a negative. Drink 200 beers at the Flying Saucer and you get your name on the wall and a bunch of other things. They kept "forgetting" to count the WWS so I had to have it three times before they finally put it in the computer one night.

Luthiel: Keep your fizzy yellow piss-water... it means more real beer for the rest of us.

[Pic of delicious beer]


3. Arrogant Bastard
2. Double Bastard
1. Ruination IPA

Yeah, pretty much anything Stone makes is a winner.
 
2009-11-18 02:52:30 PM  

glwtta: Snarfangel: Budweiser isn't meant to be good, it's meant to be uniform. You can have a Bud in Florida or Alaska, and it's going to be exactly the same thing. Kind of like a Big Mac.

What an odd goal.

"Mmmm... Samey!" - you just don't hear that a lot.


www.virginmedia.com

We fear change.
 
2009-11-18 02:55:20 PM  

Luthiel: VetteLT193: I'll take my Coors Light any day over any of the fag-fest beers that only yuppies would pay for. Coors Light is a constant in my Kegerator.... 1 of the 4 kegs in it anyway.

Keep your fizzy yellow piss-water... it means more real beer for the rest of us.


Thank you! I came in here looking for Arrogant Bastard, and I am leaving quite happy (partially because the liquor store near my house finally sells it).
 
2009-11-18 02:55:38 PM  

schattenteufel: The most "extreme" beer I've enjoyed wasn't exactly super-hoppy, but it was super flavorful.

Great Lakes Brewery occasionally makes their Barrel-Aged Blackout Stout in old bourbon barrels. The result; Bourbon Barrel Blackout Stout is without a doubt the most delicious beer I've ever had. It tastes like a lightly chocolate-flavored stout infused with a smokey bourbon.

It costs nearly $10.00 a glass, isn't available in bottles, and sells out within a few days of release.
Luckily, I live around the corner from the brewery, and had the occasion to partake.


They sell it in 22 oz bottles, which were gone by the day after the release this year.
 
2009-11-18 02:57:09 PM  

you have pee hands: phedex: UNC_Samurai: I've got an extreme idea. How about crafting beers with less hops?

You might be on to something; But then the neckbeards would have a fit.

I've said it before and i'll say it again; this super hop crap is out of control. I wish I could find more craft lagers, fruit wheats, and the like. I can't see how anyone could TRUTHFULLY say that the super hopped IPA's taste good. Like when you were a kid and would put 5 mega warheads in your mouth and play it off, like they weren't sour and nasty.

This statement alone is probably going to get me flamed, but screw it.

People like different things. I like most very hoppy beers I've had. The majority of craft beers aren't super hopped IPAs, so there aught to be enough out there for you to find new stuff you like to try.


Dont get me wrong, I respect the hop flavor, and like my local brewhouses 50-ibu ale. But to me once the beer seizes to be balanced in flavor, stout or lager or otherwise, I just tend to not like it.

ecalcott: its funny that most "beer snobs" posting here clearly don't like beer. it's easy to pick a brand that is obscure and call yourself a connoisseur but a weak pilsner is still a weak pilsner.

the hopped up beers are very, very good and if you don't like them then admit you like your yellow beers but don't dare call yourself a beer aficionado or snob. beer is supposed to have flavor, pretenders.

the best beers out there right now are:
stone's arrogant bastard
russian river's blind pig and pliney the elder
lagunitas' hop stoopid and lucky 13 ale

fyi,stone is hands down the best brewer in america right now. if you don't know that, you're not reading the trades or tasting their beer. (the special release vanilla porter has no equal.)

As stone says, "fizzy yellow beer is for wuzzies"

sincerely,
a true beer snob


See, thats the attitude I don't get. because of that slogan, I wouldnt support that company, even if they had the best beer in the world for the cheapest price; A world without sapporo would be a sad world indeed.
 
2009-11-18 02:57:47 PM  
I've liked everything I've had from Unibroue, from the mild stuff like Blanche de Chambly up through the 9% ales like Maudite and Troix Pistoles.
 
2009-11-18 02:57:50 PM  

IronJelly: Luthiel: VetteLT193: I'll take my Coors Light any day over any of the fag-fest beers that only yuppies would pay for. Coors Light is a constant in my Kegerator.... 1 of the 4 kegs in it anyway.

Keep your fizzy yellow piss-water... it means more real beer for the rest of us.

Thank you! I came in here looking for Arrogant Bastard, and I am leaving quite happy (partially because the liquor store near my house finally sells it).


The store down the street from me just started carrying Stone beers, too. I nearly had a beergasm when I saw they had them.
 
2009-11-18 02:58:41 PM  
This thread fails for not enough pics of the BEST beer in the world... KEYSTOOONE LIIIIGHT!
 
2009-11-18 02:59:51 PM  

Luthiel: VetteLT193: I'll take my Coors Light any day over any of the fag-fest beers that only yuppies would pay for. Coors Light is a constant in my Kegerator.... 1 of the 4 kegs in it anyway.

Keep your fizzy yellow piss-water... it means more real beer for the rest of us.

i31.photobucket.com


What he said.
 
2009-11-18 02:59:59 PM  
Oh, and also, if you ever find yourself around Nashville, be sure to stop by the Yazoo Brewery and ask if they've made a new batch of the Hop Project. You will not be disappointed... unless they're out of it... in which case their regular IPA is pretty strong too.

3.bp.blogspot.com

/Local breweries need love too
 
2009-11-18 03:01:12 PM  
While I'm here I thought I'd ask a question.

I'm a recent transplant to the East Coast, and I can't help but notice how hard it is to find a store with a decent beer selection out here. We moved from Arizona where you have BevMo, and well as stores like AJs that carried a bunch of good, hard to find beers in convenient locations.

I'm having a hard time finding similar stores in the D.C. area. While there are a number of good breweries in the area, finding a store that actually carries a good selection of beer has so far proved impossible.
 
2009-11-18 03:03:36 PM  
justbeer.files.wordpress.com

www.doubleviking.com
 
2009-11-18 03:04:00 PM  
A hop is a bittering and flavor agent. It shouldn't be the only thing you taste. While I enjoy the occasional IPA, I don't like tasting over 9000 IBUs because it's "extreme."

There's more to beer than hops.
 
2009-11-18 03:04:02 PM  
I get that a lot of people don't like the huge hop beers out there, but there is a big enough selection out there for all but the most discriminating tastes. I think the best beer I've had in a while is the Thomas Creek "Up the Creek" IPA. 12.5% and really black for the style as a bonus
 
2009-11-18 03:05:42 PM  

Talondel: Mose: I've been drinking good, but expensive lately...

You listed off a few of my favorites there, so I'm going to take the liberty of recommending a few others you may not have tried. Ommegang Chocholate Indulgence is vastly superior to Young's Double Chocolate (and I say that while noting that Young's is still great).


Also, Ommegang Abbey Ale.
 
2009-11-18 03:08:26 PM  

Sapper_Topo: This thread fails for not enough pics of the BEST beer in the world... KEYSTOOONE LIIIIGHT! Delirium Tremens


FTFY

www.united-nations-of-beer.com

/there was a vote
//or something
 
2009-11-18 03:11:05 PM  

Jackson Herring: Glug the Beer Slayer: just stating my opinion, never said anything against the people who drink it. as you said to each their own.

Actually your every comment was dripping with scorn for those of us who for some reason 'don't know better'.


So says the guy that thinks number of cases sold alone changes the quality of beer.
 
2009-11-18 03:11:06 PM  
I am so sick of bitter beers. I have gone back to drinking plain old Bud. It's pretty damn refreshing.
 
2009-11-18 03:12:21 PM  
Cross of Iron

i729.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-18 03:12:37 PM  
Smuttynose IPA - hands down the best IPA in americafarm3.static.flickr.com
 
2009-11-18 03:19:57 PM  

dead_dangler: You people and your "extreme" beers.

I boil 100 pounds of hops in 40 gallons of Everclear for three days, and then throw in one graham cracker. For extra fermentation, I use a strain of yeast developed by the Nazis for biological warfare.


+1. I lol'd.
 
2009-11-18 03:19:59 PM  
Coors Light brings people together.

i475.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-18 03:21:41 PM  

Algebrat: For the true connoisseur:

9.9% ABV, taurine, ginseng, caffeine, and "certified color".


NNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


Try this connoisseur!

blog.absinthedevil.com

"natural color", anise, roman wormwood, grand wormwood, and many more other delicious herbs!
 
2009-11-18 03:22:03 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
THIS.
11% ABV, but it tastes so smooth, you'd never know. We have a beer tasting every year at my friend's house. 100 people on average show up. I carelessly bought a keg of this beer for the late night keg. When the drinking keg of Sierra Nevada kicked at 4:00 pm, some hero decided to hook up the Unearthly a little early. People started dropping like flies soon after that, passing out or being stumbled off of the property by their wives.

\Southern Tier is in my top 3 American breweries.
 
2009-11-18 03:22:11 PM  

glwtta: Snarfangel: Budweiser isn't meant to be good, it's meant to be uniform. You can have a Bud in Florida or Alaska, and it's going to be exactly the same thing. Kind of like a Big Mac.

What an odd goal.

"Mmmm... Samey!" - you just don't hear that a lot.


You used to - in the early 1970's in the UK, the term 'Eurofizz' was coined, to describe the Double Diamond, Worthington 'E', Watneys, Whitbread Trophy type swill that were being pushed. The idea was (according to a representative of Ind Coope I spoke to) that you could "Go into any pub in the UK and drink the beer you normally drink".

Luckily, the very nice people at CAMRA started drawing people's attention to what was going on, and gradually the micro-breweries started to fight back. Eventually, the big beer barons started paying token lip-service to beer lovers and even the multi-nationals started to jump on the cask-conditioned bandwagon.

The 'big brewery eating little brewery' thing still goes on though. I still mourn the Firkin Brewery, bought out 10 years ago.

The way the big brewery bastards killed 'Dogbolter' can be found here...

Bastards (new window)
 
2009-11-18 03:22:59 PM  
Zeno-25

thats another of my favorites, i buy 3 cases a year, so i can have it till the next year. though i have to say some of the last of it tends to mellow as the malts start to over power the hops, but still quiet good!
 
2009-11-18 03:23:13 PM  

mycatisposter: Jackson Herring: Glug the Beer Slayer: just stating my opinion, never said anything against the people who drink it. as you said to each their own.

Actually your every comment was dripping with scorn for those of us who for some reason 'don't know better'.

So says the guy that thinks number of cases sold alone changes the quality of beer.


My meter may be miscalibrated these days but I took that as sarcasm. Maybe I should have Not Sure If Serious'd.
 
2009-11-18 03:23:28 PM  

phedex: A world without sapporo would be a sad world indeed.


I had this at the RI International Beer Festival last weekend. Granted I was a few hours into what is basically a 3 1/2 hour power-hour... but I thought it was pretty good.
 
2009-11-18 03:24:08 PM  

Talondel: While I'm here I thought I'd ask a question.

I'm a recent transplant to the East Coast, and I can't help but notice how hard it is to find a store with a decent beer selection out here. We moved from Arizona where you have BevMo, and well as stores like AJs that carried a bunch of good, hard to find beers in convenient locations.

I'm having a hard time finding similar stores in the D.C. area. While there are a number of good breweries in the area, finding a store that actually carries a good selection of beer has so far proved impossible.


Total wine is the best place I've found. It's not perfect but they have a decent selection.
 
2009-11-18 03:26:55 PM  

albo: LoveRBS: Anybody wanna point me in the direction of some other good lagers?

from PA craft brewers
Stoudt's Gold
Victory Prima Pils
Troegs Sunshine Pils


If you live in the area of Stoudt's Brewery (Adamstown, PA), this would be a good month to go try some of their stuff. (new window)

Not to threadjack but it's semi-related:

Sugar Plums
Hot Cross Buns
Spiced Beer Nuts
Old English Bread Pudding
IPA Mincemeat Tartlets
Bangers
Shepherd's Pie
Spiced Pork with roasted vegetables
Rabbit Stew
Stollen with and without beer marzipan
Ruprecht Beer Brittle
Bockwurst
Weiswurst
Bratwurst
Sauerkraut, Red Cabbage, and German Potato Salad
Luciabullar Saffron Buns
Scarlet Lady Linzer Cookies
Roast Pork with gingerbread sauce
Swedish Meatballs

Oh, and they have beer too.
 
2009-11-18 03:27:42 PM  
submitter: an ale with 225 bitterness units but only 1.1 percent alcohol

Ladies and gentlemen, American beer-making at it's peak. Just stop. I beg you.
 
2009-11-18 03:29:10 PM  

hockeyfarker: submitter: an ale with 225 bitterness units but only 1.1 percent alcohol

Ladies and gentlemen, American beer-making at it's peak. Just stop. I beg you.


TFA: "Nanny State, an "imperial mild" from the BrewDog microbrewery in Fraserburgh, Scotland, is the anti-Utopias, but just as extreme."

Would you prefer a fresh-poured pint of FAIL?
 
2009-11-18 03:31:00 PM  

Mose: mycatisposter: Jackson Herring: Glug the Beer Slayer: just stating my opinion, never said anything against the people who drink it. as you said to each their own.

Actually your every comment was dripping with scorn for those of us who for some reason 'don't know better'.

So says the guy that thinks number of cases sold alone changes the quality of beer.

My meter may be miscalibrated these days but I took that as sarcasm. Maybe I should have Not Sure If Serious'd.


Maybe.
 
2009-11-18 03:31:01 PM  
Wheat stout on the right handle and a British ipa on the left. Both are mini-mash kits from AHS.

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2009-11-18 03:31:11 PM  
I've got 5gal of a nice brown ale in the fermenter so I'm getting a kick....

gorgor I can tell you but it would have to be privately. And you'll need some blanket liability insurance. OK...a lot of liability insurance.
 
2009-11-18 03:33:49 PM  
I hate when that happens.
 
2009-11-18 03:33:57 PM  

hockeyfarker: submitter: an ale with 225 bitterness units but only 1.1 percent alcohol
Ladies and gentlemen, American beer-making at it's peak. Just stop. I beg you.


You do realize that Coors is owned by Molson-Coors right? Its an Canadian-American brewing company headquartered in Canada.
 
2009-11-18 03:36:53 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I've got an extreme idea. How about crafting beers with less hops?


HulkHands: As much as I like IPAs, I concur that other styles need to trend away from this "hop everything" movement. Yes, we're all excited there isn't a hop shortage anymore. Let's move on.


Anyways, I'm gonna heartily agree with these guys and get out before somebody notices the grammar error too. BALANCE, people. if I wanted that much hops I could just eat them raw.
 
2009-11-18 03:38:12 PM  

RonwellQuincyDobbs: schattenteufel: The most "extreme" beer I've enjoyed wasn't exactly super-hoppy, but it was super flavorful.

Great Lakes Brewery occasionally makes their Barrel-Aged Blackout Stout in old bourbon barrels. The result; Bourbon Barrel Blackout Stout is without a doubt the most delicious beer I've ever had. It tastes like a lightly chocolate-flavored stout infused with a smokey bourbon.

It costs nearly $10.00 a glass, isn't available in bottles, and sells out within a few days of release.
Luckily, I live around the corner from the brewery, and had the occasion to partake.

They sell it in 22 oz bottles, which were gone by the day after the release this year.



Really? Well, hell. The lady at the brewery told me "no bottles, just B.Y.O. growlers" (which was only available the day of & day after release)
 
2009-11-18 03:39:46 PM  

zuce: hockeyfarker: submitter: an ale with 225 bitterness units but only 1.1 percent alcohol
Ladies and gentlemen, American beer-making at it's peak. Just stop. I beg you.

You do realize that Coors is owned by Molson-Coors right? Its an Canadian-American brewing company headquartered in Canada.


Eh?
 
2009-11-18 03:41:27 PM  

zuce: You do realize that Coors is owned by Molson-Coors right? Its an Canadian-American brewing company headquartered in Canada.


That's inaccurate. Control is shared between the Molson and Coors families, and the company maintains headquarters in both Montreal and Denver. The company is nominally incorporated in the United States, however. (yay wikipedia)

In any case, it's irrelevant. It cannot be disputed that American craft beermakers favour excessive hops, and not just in their IPAs. that's what you people like, because your crude palettes do not understand subtlety.
 
2009-11-18 03:41:42 PM  

Fleet: Yazoo love


Again, for all you Nashville folk or people who will be in town, I just saw this on Yazoo's Facebook status:

"Hop Project #23 will be on tap at the Taproom this weekend. This was a small batch, so it won't last long!"

I'll be washing out both my growlers tonight.
 
2009-11-18 03:42:35 PM  
dammit. palate. whatever.
 
2009-11-18 03:44:08 PM  

Impudent Domain: I am so sick of bitter beers. I have gone back to drinking plain old Bud. It's pretty damn refreshing.


You haven't had my wife.
 
2009-11-18 03:44:49 PM  
fappomatic: I've got 5gal of a nice brown ale in the fermenter so I'm getting a kick....

gorgor I can tell you but it would have to be privately. And you'll need some blanket liability insurance. OK...a lot of liability insurance.


Ewww not on the blanket, just their front door.
Maybe the doorbell button a little, and the welcome mat.
 
2009-11-18 03:47:25 PM  

Algebrat: For the true connoisseur:

9.9% ABV, taurine, ginseng, caffeine, and "certified color".


That is the most foul thing I've ever drank. GOD it was awful.

/Yes, I finished it.... and the 2nd can I had bought.
//No sense in wasting alchohol.
 
2009-11-18 03:50:27 PM  

TheOtherOne79: Sapper_Topo: This thread fails for not enough pics of the BEST beer in the world... KEYSTOOONE LIIIIGHT! Delirium Tremens

FTFY

/there was a vote
//or something


I bought one of these about 2 weeks ago. It was quite good, but there was a LOT of sediment in it. That normal?
 
2009-11-18 03:50:56 PM  

Embden.Meyerhof: I can tell you that there is no farking way that beer is 225 IBUs. Calculated BU's, maybe, but ACTUAL BU's? No way. Alpha acids aren't soluble enough to get levels that high. The BU assay isn't linear at that high of a level, either.

Not a chance.

And:
FTFA: IBUs measure a beer's level of alpha acids, the primary bittering compound in hops.

No, the BU assay does not measure alpha acids, it does not measure iso-alpha acids either (the actual bittering compounds, which are isomerized alpha acids). It measures anything in acidified beer or wort which is extracted by 2,2,4-trimethylpentane and has an absorbance at 275nm. The things that fall in this category are not exclusively humulones or isohumulones. It is a reasonable guideline for the amount of iso's, however. (BU's are usually about 1.5-2 times the level of iso's in ppm, based on my own research).


/brewing chemist, sensory scientist, published hop chemistry author


NAEM UV BUK PLZ.

/is not shameless self promotion if somebody asks, right?
 
2009-11-18 03:56:45 PM  

Talondel: While I'm here I thought I'd ask a question.

I'm a recent transplant to the East Coast, and I can't help but notice how hard it is to find a store with a decent beer selection out here. We moved from Arizona where you have BevMo, and well as stores like AJs that carried a bunch of good, hard to find beers in convenient locations.

I'm having a hard time finding similar stores in the D.C. area. While there are a number of good breweries in the area, finding a store that actually carries a good selection of beer has so far proved impossible.


Find your nearest Total Wine. They have an extensive collection of beers.

Harris Teeter supermarkets carry a fair list.

Lost Dog in Arlington.

Couple of places in DC that have a good selection.
 
2009-11-18 03:58:32 PM  
BeesNuts:

NAEM UV BUK PLZ.

/is not shameless self promotion if somebody asks, right?



Journal of the American Society of Brewing Chemists, volume 66. That's all I can say without giving up too much privacy.
 
2009-11-18 04:00:28 PM  
Cryptic Farker:Lost Dog in Arlington.

This is a fantastic establishment. Lebanese Taverna as well.
 
2009-11-18 04:01:43 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: Impudent Domain: I am so sick of bitter beers. I have gone back to drinking plain old Bud. It's pretty damn refreshing.

You haven't had my wife.


Is she yellow and bitter?
 
2009-11-18 04:04:02 PM  

dead_dangler: You people and your "extreme" beers.

I boil 100 pounds of hops in 40 gallons of Everclear for three days, and then throw in one graham cracker. For extra fermentation, I use a strain of yeast developed by the Nazis for biological warfare.


Do you drink it from the skulls of your slain enemies?
 
2009-11-18 04:17:19 PM  
beertalking.files.wordpress.com
l.yimg.com
 
2009-11-18 04:17:21 PM  
www.einbierbitte.com

/gimme!
//hotlinked
 
2009-11-18 04:19:29 PM  

hockeyfarker: It cannot be disputed that American craft beermakers favour excessive hops, and not just in their IPAs. that's what you people like, because your crude palettes do not understand subtlety.


Some of us are born with crude palettes. And about one in four of everybody is born with an order of magnitude more taste buds than the average shmoe, and is therefore probably obsessed with subtle flavor balance in things that taste like water to the rest of us.

And that's fine. Drink what you like.
 
2009-11-18 04:21:57 PM  
i942.photobucket.com
Dual tap independent regulators so I can force carbonate 1 while serving on the other.

Right now I have hard dry cider and honeybrew on tap. The dry cider is from an apple orchard close by. Buy 5 gallons and add champagne yeast. Only get to make it during the fall. The honeybrew is an adapted recipe I gave earlier. It is a legend among my friends for its ability to get people on their ass drunk.

/loves beer (and cider), proud of it.
 
2009-11-18 04:25:04 PM  

Luthiel: Keep your fizzy yellow piss-water... it means more real beer for the rest of us.

[Arrogant Bastard ale glass]


When my girlfriend and I first started dating, I was drinking out of that glass and she started reading it. I noticed she was mouthing the words as she read it and when she reached the end of the spiel, I had one of the best laughs of my life. I still give her shiat about that.
 
2009-11-18 04:26:01 PM  
Attend the 2010 National Homebrewers Conference in Minneapolis next June...

Land of 10,000 Beers (new window)
 
2009-11-18 04:29:49 PM  

Talondel: I'm having a hard time finding similar stores in the D.C. area. While there are a number of good breweries in the area, finding a store that actually carries a good selection of beer has so far proved impossible.


Don't even waste your time searching in Montgomery County. Only Mecca has a worse selection.
 
2009-11-18 04:31:39 PM  

Vash's Apprentice: AlwaysRightBoy: Impudent Domain: I am so sick of bitter beers. I have gone back to drinking plain old Bud. It's pretty damn refreshing.

You haven't had my wife.

Is she yellow and bitter?


Do you know what bitter is Son!
 
2009-11-18 04:32:58 PM  

hockeyfarker: zuce: You do realize that Coors is owned by Molson-Coors right? Its an Canadian-American brewing company headquartered in Canada.

that's what you people like, because your crude palettes do not understand subtlety.


That's racist.
What do you mean YOU people?
 
2009-11-18 04:33:54 PM  

krcotter: Attend the 2010 National Homebrewers Conference in Minneapolis next June...

Land of 10,000 Beers (new window)


Dont do it. You will find a beer you love and never be able to drink it again.
 
2009-11-18 04:39:40 PM  
I love beer. I really do. I appreciate the flavour of a finely crafted ale and try to always sample the local micro-brew.

But this "extreme beer" business is nothing more than a pissing contest like the hot sauce people have gotten into. It's marketing for the adult equivalent of high school one-upmanship...
 
2009-11-18 04:42:17 PM  
zuce:

Dont do it. You will find a beer you love and never be able to drink it again.

That's why I keep going back year after year. So many great beers over 3 days just ain't enough time. Judging at the National Homebrew Competition 2nd round was fantastic. Some of the best beers ever.

My only complaint is there are too many strong beers and not enough lawnmower beers. I wanna drink all day and all night!

2010 National Homebrewers Conference (new window)
 
2009-11-18 04:55:57 PM  
(article on extreme beers) - (Dogfish Head) = fail
 
2009-11-18 04:57:00 PM  
Someone please tell me where i can get me some Simpatico. Had it over fifteen years ago in Oklahoma. Can't seem to find a liquor store that can help. From what I remember it was teh shiat!!!
 
2009-11-18 04:57:55 PM  
Undermentioned in Fark beer threads (or at least in this fark beer thread):

Bell's. Everything of theirs I've had is good.
 
2009-11-18 05:02:15 PM  

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: What an extreme waste of hops. You cant get all the flavors out with virtually no alcohol


It's not the point. The point isn't even that it tastes a LOT. The point is that it's good.

They (Brewdog) did it because "concerned groups" raised quite a ruckus about their Tokyo Extreme beer, since it allegedly "encouraged binge drinking".

Yeah, did they ever taste one? If you're good, you can down one in maybe 15 minutes or so. It's heavy. Hardly something you choose for a binge drinking session. But anyway, just to flip the bird at the "concerned groups", they made the Nanny State beer. Almost no alcohol, are you happy now?

I've met a few of the guys from Brewdog (I think they're about 22 employees at this time, they were about 5 a year ago) and they are a load of fun to have around.
 
2009-11-18 05:02:52 PM  

pentachris: (article on extreme beers) - (Dogfish Head) = fail


1.bp.blogspot.com

approves

Quite ridiculous.
 
2009-11-18 05:04:24 PM  

ecalcott: its funny that most "beer snobs" posting here clearly don't like beer. it's easy to pick a brand that is obscure and call yourself a connoisseur but a weak pilsner is still a weak pilsner.

the hopped up beers are very, very good and if you don't like them then admit you like your yellow beers but don't dare call yourself a beer aficionado or snob. beer is supposed to have flavor, pretenders.

the best beers out there right now are:
stone's arrogant bastard
russian river's blind pig and pliney the elder
lagunitas' hop stoopid and lucky 13 ale

fyi,stone is hands down the best brewer in america right now. if you don't know that, you're not reading the trades or tasting their beer. (the special release vanilla porter has no equal.)

As stone says, "fizzy yellow beer is for wuzzies"

sincerely,
a true beer snob


Ever had anything from Firestone out of Paso Robles? Double Barrel Ale - fantastic. Oh, and Hop Stoopid makes me happy but I still like the straight Lagunitas IPA better.

/fellow beer snob
 
2009-11-18 05:06:37 PM  
Why the Sam Adams hate?
Jim Koch has helped the craft brew market tremendously.

Remember beer before Sam Adams hit it big?

Oh that's right you can't because it was little more than fizzy water.

Koch was not the first or the best, but he smashed open the door to a world of great beers. And for that Sam Adams will always be welcome in my fridge.
 
2009-11-18 05:09:51 PM  

xpostal: Why the Sam Adams hate?
Jim Koch has helped the craft brew market tremendously.

Remember beer before Sam Adams hit it big?

Oh that's right you can't because it was little more than fizzy water.

Koch was not the first or the best, but he smashed open the door to a world of great beers. And for that Sam Adams will always be welcome in my fridge.


And some of their stuff is fairly good. It's not like it's Heineken or something.
 
2009-11-18 05:10:21 PM  

you have pee hands: Undermentioned in Fark beer threads (or at least in this fark beer thread):

Bell's. Everything of theirs I've had is good.


Also undermentioned: small, local breweries. There are tons of places here in the Seattle area that make ridiculously good beers that can only be had on tap and/or within a ~100 mile or so region. Even more so down in Portland. I'm sure there are at least a few in most reasonably populated areas.
 
2009-11-18 05:18:53 PM  
Oaked Arrogant Bastard is fantastic, by the way. If any of you Stone lovers haven't tried it yet, stop what you're doing and go get some.
 
2009-11-18 05:29:58 PM  
Oaked Stone AB is kinda meh to me. Regular is far superior IMO. That said, everyone should get out there and try Hebrew 13 IMMEDIATELY. 13 hops, 13 malts, 13%ABV. Win.
 
2009-11-18 05:39:36 PM  
I can smell the wort from Oskar Blues brewery across the street right now, so I'm getting a kick &c.

/Not a huge fan
//Left Hand is about 1 mile away
 
2009-11-18 05:42:05 PM  
Triumph Brewery in Princeton, NJ has two beers I've found to be incredible. One, their Jewish Rye Beer tasted exactly as labeled. To the T. The second, their Rauchbier, was so smoky it practically exuded sausage, Lagavulin, and bacon.

So you know what I did? I found that combining 1/3 Rauchbier to 2/3 Jewish Rye made a new kind of beer I'd called "The Ham Sandwich". I've never had a weirder beer in my life.

/though Cornell Dairy's "Sticky Bunz" ice cream may have confused my tongue more
//Scandinavian beer blows. I need to go back to Oregon
 
2009-11-18 05:55:25 PM  

Glug the Beer Slayer: didnt know that they could make something horrible even worse.



Yes they did . It's called Bud Lite Lime .
 
2009-11-18 06:08:19 PM  
i think delerium nocturnum is better, no? tremens is too fruity.
 
2009-11-18 06:09:59 PM  
I'm a home brewer (15+ years) and a genuine, self-appointed Beer Snob, but I truly do not get all the hoopla over Stone's Arrogant Bastard. A decent brew, sure, but not anything to get ecstatic over in my opinion.

And a little kudos to xpostal for his support of Jim Koch. I too remember when Sam Adams hit the market ("With a head so thick you can float a bottle cap on it.") and how hard it was to find really good beer then. As I recall St. Pauli Girl was about the best I could do in those dark times. Jim Koch kicked open the door that would become the floodgate of well crafted beers we all enjoy now.

Cheers, Jim!
 
2009-11-18 06:17:41 PM  
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2009-11-18 06:24:36 PM  
xpostal
Quote 2009-11-18 05:06:37 PM
Why the Sam Adams hate?


because I don't like it's taste and it is expensive?

Remember beer before Sam Adams hit it big?

Oh that's right you can't because it was little more than fizzy water.


not true. Sam adams boston lager = 4.75% alcohol, Budwieser = 5%
 
2009-11-18 06:58:26 PM  
Down with the mass-marketed major beer company swill.

It it ain't craft, don't drink it.

Put the bastards out of business.
 
2009-11-18 07:06:41 PM  

schattenteufel: The most "extreme" beer I've enjoyed wasn't exactly super-hoppy, but it was super flavorful.

Great Lakes Brewery occasionally makes their Barrel-Aged Blackout Stout in old bourbon barrels. The result; Bourbon Barrel Blackout Stout is without a doubt the most delicious beer I've ever had. It tastes like a lightly chocolate-flavored stout infused with a smokey bourbon.

It costs nearly $10.00 a glass, isn't available in bottles, and sells out within a few days of release.
Luckily, I live around the corner from the brewery, and had the occasion to partake.


OMG THIS. I would KILL to get some of that. I import Great Lakes down here to Florida from a place in Chicago.

Other beergeek notes on the thread...

- Southern Tier is my favorite all around brewery. Nice to see them make the thread. Wish we got it down here

- Founders Kentucky Breakfast is yummy too. I imported a four pack for me and my groomsmen to have as breakfast "coffee" the day of my wedding

- Cigar City Brewing here in Tampa is FANTASTIC. Starting to branch out...if you see it, check it out

Finally, this is the best beer I've ever had. Extreme, black as night and DELICIOUS.

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/Honorable mention to "Sexual Chocolate Stout" and the very delicious "Speedway Stout".
 
2009-11-18 07:10:08 PM  

Talondel: While I'm here I thought I'd ask a question.

I'm a recent transplant to the East Coast, and I can't help but notice how hard it is to find a store with a decent beer selection out here. We moved from Arizona where you have BevMo, and well as stores like AJs that carried a bunch of good, hard to find beers in convenient locations.

I'm having a hard time finding similar stores in the D.C. area. While there are a number of good breweries in the area, finding a store that actually carries a good selection of beer has so far proved impossible.


MY FAVORITE place to order beer is Archer Liquors in Chicago. Randy knows his stuff, packs like crazy and they get a ton of beer from across the country at decent prices.

www.archerliquors.com

/tell em Bret from Florida sent ya!
 
2009-11-18 07:11:12 PM  
Every year, I stock up on Atlantic Brewing company's offerings from Bar Harbor, ME. Their stouts and ales are ok, but what I keep coming back for is their Brother Braggett's Barleywine. One of my favorite examples of the barleywine style, with lots of honey flavor in it as well.
 
2009-11-18 07:12:16 PM  

Impudent Domain:

not true. Sam adams boston lager = 4.75% alcohol, Budwieser = 5%



Yeah, but Budweiser has had it's recipe changed NUMEROUS times since it's inception in 1895 or so. I'd guess it changes every 10 years or so, so I'd wager that it wasn't 5% in 1984. Same with SABL; probably not the same amount of alcohol then as now.
 
2009-11-18 07:13:15 PM  
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2009-11-18 07:22:41 PM  

FDR Jones: i think delerium nocturnum is better, no? tremens is too fruity.


I was reading this thread today at work, so I stopped off and got a bottle of DT and one of Chimay. I haven't drunk either one in years, but yeah the DT is a little sweet for my taste.

I'm still drinking the entire 1 pint 9.4 ounces!

By the way, Embden.Meyerhof wins the thread. Taste is such a subjective thing that it's childish to proclaim anything "best." There's a lot of variety in beer and most of it, despite your quibbles over nuance, is delightfully drinkable.

I'm more of a bourbon drinker, and I can't remember having a serious discussion with anybody knowledgeable who said there's a "best bourbon." Now, there's stuff that tastes like ethyl alcohol and caramel flavoring, *cough*EvanWilliams*cough,* but it's enjoyable talking about the merits of a firey monster like Booker versus the lower-power, yet scrumptious, Woodford Reserve.

It's beer, for fark's sake. Drink it and try not be a douchebag.
 
2009-11-18 07:32:07 PM  
The Old Peculiar I just bottled a couple weeks ago is already pretty phenomenal, and I can't wait to have some more once I get home from this bidniss trip.

When I transferred it to the secondary fermenter I was pretty worried about it, because the gravity had already dropped a ton (by at least .07) but it was still sickly sweet. I'd never tried this recipe before and didn't know much alcohol the yeast could take, or if the oxygen would run low or something..

Should have had more faith in the yeast though (the Wyeast "London III"). The final product could be called sweet, but its certainly not sugary. Its a very strong and complex flavor including light malt, brown sugar, molasses, and fuggle + nugget hops. Its been something like a month since the brew date, and I forget the grains steeped before the boil. And I just brewed an ESB last weekend, so that recipe is rattling around in my head too. (gonna dry hop that one with Kent Golding when I transfer it to secondary when I get back from this trip)

Its a sipping beer, to be sure. And I don't think I'll be refrigerating it more than an hour before drinking, if at all. I think that chilling it any further than "cool" would kill too much of the aroma. The bottle I pulled from the closet and poured at room temperature was just fine.

OG: 1.088
FG: 1.019
 
2009-11-18 07:34:35 PM  
Not .07, I meant .05
 
2009-11-18 07:39:30 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: FishyFred: Sam Adams is not "extreme beer."

The 1790 Root Beer Brew was pretty extreme.
Extremely nasty.

Had a smoked beer for this first time this weekend. Loved it.


Not going to read all the comments, so maybe someone else posted about this...

But anyways, I bought a 6 pack of Shiner Smokehaus a couple months ago. It was supposed to have a smokey mesquite taste to it. It was far and away the worst "beer" I have ever tried. Truley ghastley stuff. It tasted like they took a beer, mixed in an ounce or two of bacon fat, and bottled it up.

I drank one, figured no way in hell I can drink these sober, so I had a 6 pack of something else. Then I tried to finish off these unholy god-foraken things. I could only manage to get 3 down before I gave up and actually poured the rest down the sink.

I think the worst part about them wasn't even the taste, it was that they made my piss smell like bad bacon till late the next day.
 
2009-11-18 07:57:16 PM  
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this one's 'for da ladies' (new window)

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2009-11-18 09:43:00 PM  

HulkHands: UNC_Samurai: I've got an extreme idea. How about crafting beers with less hops?

As much as I like IPAs, I concur that other styles need to trend away from this "hop everything" movement. Yes, we're all excited there isn't a hop shortage anymore. Let's move on.

Anyway... brewing a Stout (only one hop addition; 1 oz.)


I brewed a stout a few weeks ago and I'll be bottling this weekend. From what I've tasted when I take hydrometer measurements, it's going to be good. Hope yours turns out as good as mine.

/Also used 1oz. hops
 
2009-11-18 09:51:31 PM  

zuce: I am a fan of high alcohol, low finishing gravity, lightly hopped beers. This is my staple:

6.6lbs Light LME
3 lbs supermarket clover honey
1 oz cascade hops boil 45mins.

One of my favorite beers, ~8%, and costs me ~$35 to make 5 gallons.

Beer snob thread!!


Dude, I am so trying this recipe.
 
2009-11-18 10:03:13 PM  
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2009-11-18 10:10:34 PM  

everybodylookattheirpants: Oaked Stone AB is kinda meh to me. Regular is far superior IMO. That said, everyone should get out there and try Hebrew 13 IMMEDIATELY. 13 hops, 13 malts, 13%ABV. Win.


I've got a bottle of it sitting in my fridge right now. Maybe tomorrow... drinking an Eel River Triple Exultation right now. It's ok, nothing great.
 
2009-11-18 10:42:57 PM  
How long before there's a Fark homebrew competition?

/I'm ready
/I'm ready...
/I'ready
/I'm ready


Link (new window)
As hot as the tropical sun
 
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2009-11-18 10:45:12 PM  

Embden.Meyerhof: I can tell you that there is no farking way that beer is 225 IBUs. Calculated BU's, maybe, but ACTUAL BU's? No way. Alpha acids aren't soluble enough to get levels that high. The BU assay isn't linear at that high of a level, either.


BEARS REPEATING
 
2009-11-18 10:49:30 PM  

squidgod2000: Luthiel: VetteLT193: I'll take my Coors Light any day over any of the fag-fest beers that only yuppies would pay for. Coors Light is a constant in my Kegerator.... 1 of the 4 kegs in it anyway.

Keep your fizzy yellow piss-water... it means more real beer for the rest of us.

What he said.


THIS!!
We have Arrogant Bastard, and Smutty IPA on draft..

(as well as Boddington's, Switchback, Smutty Imperial Stout, Old Speckled Hen, Otter Creek Vermont Lager and Trout River Rainbow Red.)
 
2009-11-19 12:38:28 AM  
Everything that I intended to say has been said.
Well done.

zuce, my wife owes me a kegerator since I had to get rid of my old tri-tap because it would not fit in the new condo. (Happy wife, happy life).

And for you IPA folks, here is my Stellar IPA
 
2009-11-19 02:03:20 AM  

BKITU: an ale with 225 bitterness units but only 1.1 percent alcohol

F-ALE


To quote Yatzee

"As the leper's wife said 'where's the bloody point?!!'"
 
2009-11-19 07:31:16 AM  

TheOtherOne79: Sapper_Topo: This thread fails for not enough pics of the BEST beer in the world... Delirium Tremens

FTFY

/there was a vote
//or something


Hey, I'm drinking one right now.

/Not that I have a problem or anything.
//It took way too many attempts to type that first sentence out.
///Stop moving the keys you idiot
////What do you mean, valid login?
 
2009-11-19 08:54:59 AM  

sarasotarockstar: OMG THIS. I would KILL to get some of that. I import Great Lakes down here to Florida from a place in Chicago.

Other beergeek notes on the thread...

- Southern Tier is my favorite all around brewery. Nice to see them make the thread. Wish we got it down here

- Founders Kentucky Breakfast is yummy too. I imported a four pack for me and my groomsmen to have as breakfast "coffee" the day of my wedding

- Cigar City Brewing here in Tampa is FANTASTIC. Starting to branch out...if you see it, check it out

Finally, this is the best beer I've ever had. Extreme, black as night and DELICIOUS.



Indeed, those sound like some good stuff. I'll keep an eye out.
Have you ever tried Alesmith's Speedway Stout? It's a heavy coffee/chocolate stout that's 12% ABV, and comes in a champagne bottle. They also make a version of it in bourbon barrels (Brewer's Reserve Speedway Stout) which is just incredible.

www.alesmith.com
 
2009-11-19 11:12:25 AM  
My brother and I started brewing a few years ago, but have not done one yet this year and it's November, sigh. Used to live a few blocks from him and now live about 45 minutes away. Oh well. The wife and I are building our first house, and she wants me to put in a bar with a tap, and she doesn't even drink that much beer, Happy Times. Anyways, my brother and I tried Sam Adams Triple Bock and Chocolate Bock last year. We couldn't finish the triple, both thought it was terrible. Has anyone tried the Utopias? Is it worth the price?
 
2009-11-19 11:58:24 AM  

laars: zuce

I use wyeast #2035 (american lager). I ferment at room temp (65).

Be warned. This beer goes down like a light, crisp beer with a hint of honey, but its more like a barley wine than a beer. Introducing friends to the honeybrew is always fun. Last guy we found the next morning 3 miles away from the house walking the wrong direction. Still plastered.
 
2009-11-19 12:55:40 PM  

zuce: Dual tap independent regulators so I can force carbonate 1 while serving on the other.

Right now I have hard dry cider and honeybrew on tap. The dry cider is from an apple orchard close by. Buy 5 gallons and add champagne yeast. Only get to make it during the fall. The honeybrew is an adapted recipe I gave earlier. It is a legend among my friends for its ability to get people on their ass drunk.

/loves beer (and cider), proud of it.


That "hard" cider is probably only about 5.5-6%. Plus champagne yeast takes forever to clear.

Apple juice- 2lbs corn sugar- Sweet Mead yeast. .996- still carbs and is deadly at over 9%
 
2009-11-19 01:57:45 PM  

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: That "hard" cider is probably only about 5.5-6%. Plus champagne yeast takes forever to clear.
Apple juice- 2lbs corn sugar- Sweet Mead yeast. .996- still carbs and is deadly at over 9%


5-6% is what I am going for. 9% sounds more like apple wine or the precursor to brandy.
Sweet mead yeast would probably work better but pasteur red champagne is $1 a packet and hasnt failed me yet. It does take awhile to clear tho, but I condition for a few months anyways.
"Hard" cider is the term I use because cider is a non-alcoholic beverage for most people in the US. The rest of the world would call it dry cider.
 
2009-11-19 02:10:14 PM  
ahh true enough. The rest of the world Cider is always alcoholic.
 
2009-11-20 01:25:22 PM  
my favorite beers are: McSorley's Dark, Smithwick's, Abita Amber, Negra Modelo, and Budweiser.
 
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