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(BBC)   U.S. confirms helicopter down in Iraq   ( divider line
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2003-03-24 05:49:53 AM  
Iraqis claim it was shot down; American news analysts found no damage to the helicopter and believe it was struggling with engine problems and that it landed safely; pilots escaped on foot.
2003-03-24 07:32:36 AM  
yeah shot down by brave peasants with military training...those are soldiers in civilian clothes..another violation of the Geneva Convention....
2003-03-24 07:33:16 AM  
*waits patiently for the 'nuke the rag-head' trolls to arrive in their padded ambulance*
2003-03-24 07:34:20 AM  
"another violation of the Geneva Convention yes *another* violation in the non un-sanctioned war
2003-03-24 07:35:09 AM  
apparently two farmers shot it down - right.
2003-03-24 07:35:49 AM  
There are most certainly rules of war....thats what the Geneva Convetion was all make sure that wars (if possible) are faught humanely...
2003-03-24 07:36:44 AM  
faught = fought.... too damn early
2003-03-24 07:37:29 AM  
Je suis le champignon du monde
2003-03-24 07:39:49 AM  
I doubt either side even knows where Geneva is right now.
2003-03-24 07:40:01 AM  
j'aime mon grand pantaloons
2003-03-24 07:40:02 AM  
how many farking choppers have gone down now?
or have all these articles these last few days all been about the same incidences?
Canada didn't loan the states our sea kings did they?
2003-03-24 07:41:50 AM  
Dont know whats more worrying, the fact that 'peasants' can bring down big expensive choppers with apparent ease, or American insistance that they fall out of the sky of their own accord!

Straying off topic a bit here but did anyone see that story on the Suns website about Saddam being hit in the first strike of the conflict and being at deaths door? I think they removed it later when someone noticed he was alive and kicking and on TV! Gotta laugh when the Sun gets caught out printing propaganda bullshiat!
2003-03-24 07:43:02 AM  
Cptrelentless raises a good point - maybe the Iraqi army should just hide and let the US Army do all the damage to itself
2003-03-24 07:46:00 AM  
I never said we were right for it....showing hostages on TV I can deal with ...but heres a couple things Iraqis have done that I cant...

Hiding in civilian areas
Wearing civilian clothes...

and the worst..

PRETENDING to surrender then opening fire on the troops who are coming to arrest you...

pretty farking low...but i guess thats all ok because its not America doing those things...
2003-03-24 07:46:10 AM  
03-24-03 07:42:38 AM

The Geneva convention Sauce daddy?

Strange that a year ago when your government was carting people of to Cuba, and gleefully showing the press them bound and gagged none of you gave a rats ar*se about the Geneva convention.

What's your point caller?
2003-03-24 07:47:25 AM  
Harmonia - don't you realise the Geneva Convention (and all other conventions) don't (unless it suits them) apply to the Bush administration?
2003-03-24 07:47:57 AM  
its funny, because if the US did anything that the iraqi's are doing right now, we would be on the grill in seconds...but its ok for anyone else to do that to us.
2003-03-24 07:48:27 AM  
Ah Bon Pantalon!
2003-03-24 07:48:34 AM  
It's like a giant game of lawn darts out there. Is it me or are helicopters falling out of the sky a lot more than they should be?

Hope they got away OK. =(
2003-03-24 07:48:35 AM  
Yeah the US Military...I happen to have faith in my country to do the right thing.
2003-03-24 07:48:50 AM  
IrrepressibleMonkey, If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand.
2003-03-24 07:49:48 AM  
pantalon de singe de jus de poissons rempli par confiture
2003-03-24 07:50:44 AM  
Mother of all Bombs - When they say "clears a landing space," they mean "clears everything, including infantry." A Geneva convention no-no.

Napalm - Already confirmed use by US colonel to clear Iraqi observation posts. The 1977 Protocols outlaw it specifically.

Iraqi prisoners surrendering on TV: Humiliating to the prisoner.

If you're gonna argue for the Geneva conventions and a humane war, at least admit the violations aren't entirely one sided.
2003-03-24 07:52:21 AM  
The only way to harm the US seems to be by taking advantage of its decency.

When our troops get tired of hearing about their friends being killed by troops who look just like civilians, when they are put in a situation where the rules of engagement and trust could get them killed, what do you expect will happen?

Rest assured, we'll see the photos.

Saddam is handling this in a very slimy, smart manner. A significant portion of the world is eager to portray the USA as a brutal bloodthirsty ghoul. Will marketing triumph over hardware?
2003-03-24 07:52:47 AM  
merdre! je n'avais pas des poissons dans mon pantaloons, c'est mon poulet de pantaloons
2003-03-24 07:52:47 AM  
I don't think anyone is condoning the actions of the Iraqis in this but it's not much of a surprise. It was always likely that guerilla tactics would be employed in this war.

In addition, there's not much more that can be done. We're already mounting an invasion to overthrow and/or kill him. He's hardly likely to be worried about being charged with warcrimes.
2003-03-24 07:53:27 AM  
I just wish the news media would equally report the tons of iaqi armour we've destroy, thousands of prisoners we've taken and thousands of iraqi soldiers we've wiped out. We're just outside Baghdad in just a few days. This is probably the fastest movement of armour in history.

our troops ROCK!
2003-03-24 07:54:37 AM  
I agree YabooYig...I just cant see how people can defend this regime after all the horror stories that come out of Iraq...
2003-03-24 07:54:54 AM  
Saddam is handling this in a very slimy, smart manner. A significant portion of the world is eager to portray the USA as a brutal bloodthirsty ghoul. Will marketing triumph over hardware?

Doesn't matter how we act, they'll see us that way because they want to, right Harmonia? ;-)
2003-03-24 07:55:23 AM  
Sacré bleu! comment pouvez vous danser avec le poulet dans votre pantalon?
2003-03-24 07:56:03 AM  
oh yeh ..and where *are* these weapons of mass destruction GWB started the war over?
2003-03-24 07:57:34 AM  
Haha... peasants--brave peasants--...

Sounds like a qualification the Americans would make justifying that one of their $1,000,000etc.00 Apaches was shot down by a couple of $1.00 rifles weilded by peasants. "But they were brave peasants!" I can hear Rumsfeld interjecting.
2003-03-24 07:57:43 AM  
I'm not suggesting conspiracy, I'm suggesting extreme bias.
2003-03-24 07:57:54 AM  
I a par le passé attrapé mon poulet dans la porte du pantalon qu'il a pleuré alors nous a pris le potage pour le thé. Les moutons n'écoutent jamais
2003-03-24 07:58:05 AM
2003-03-24 07:58:38 AM  
I'm no fan of Saddam but handling this in a very slimy, smart manner? How much of an advantage do you want when you fight a war? Total air supremacy against a sanctions ravaged third world nation not enough? of course they'll be fighting abck any way they can, and if you've not planned for it, don't invade.
2003-03-24 07:59:17 AM  
c'est une petite poulet et mon pantaloon est/sont tres grand!
2003-03-24 07:59:29 AM  
Nobody saw the Chemical weapons plant they found eh? Civilian casualties that one are farking horrible. Nobody wants those. Are you saying that you believe the US is intentionally killing Iraqi civilians? You are gravely mistaken. No other military force takes more pains to avoid killing innocents than the US. But when your soldiers are dressing as civilians it is hard to discern who is innocent and who isnt. You dont know what its like in combat and neither do I so how can we sit here and say "they should know who's who." I feel terrible for every civilian life lost...but it happens in war. And if saddam careds about his people he would have left the country and not givin orders to dress like civilians. He made his people a target...not us.
2003-03-24 08:00:18 AM  
03-24-03 07:47:59 AM

hypocrisy, monkey.

So, do you have an opinion on Iraq's breaches of the Geneva convention? Do you believe it's ok for Iraq to breach the Geneva convention, because of the previous indiscretions of the US? Care to elaborate?
2003-03-24 08:01:07 AM  
SauceDaddy - it wasnt a chemical weapons plant - EVEN the US military has admitted that
2003-03-24 08:01:38 AM  
No, an unbiased view would be one that realizes that these things happen in a time of war, and would explioting those death in order to give the US as much bad press as possible. An unbiased view would also probably realize that "killing children" was at least unintentional on the part of the US.

But you wouldn't know that, would you?
2003-03-24 08:01:46 AM  
C'est dommage! J'en ai pensé que les moutons aie les oreilles. Je suis désolée.
2003-03-24 08:02:28 AM  
ok Harmonia, so you have a pic of a man with a turban and some mangled child

what exactly does that prove? that could be from ANY conflict in the last god only knows how long in that region, or any other sandy dusty hole where shiat happened to get blown up and the citizens favor towels as headgear
2003-03-24 08:02:52 AM  
Harmonia - There will be many more photos just like it if the Iraqis continue to use these tactics. Civilians don't deserve that sort of sorrow. Our soldiers don't deserve the burden of having to decide (in an environment where hesitation will kill them) whether someone is out to kill them or is merely a scared noncombatant. Saddam does not deserve success for resorting to such tactics.
2003-03-24 08:03:18 AM  
Wow. Ugly grammar. Try again:

An unbiased view would be one that realizes that these things happen in a time of war, and wouldn't be explioting those deaths in order to give the US as much bad press as possible.
2003-03-24 08:03:29 AM  
2003-03-24 08:04:00 AM  
It's a chemical plant. But that could be anything. Even agricultural chemicals could be used offensively very quickly.

Just in: TV's on, watching Iraqi militia poking at bushes near a river because they thought they'd downed a Coalition plane and the pilot might be hiding in the bushes. So they shot a few hundred rounds into the bushes and then set fire to it all. Nothing there now.
2003-03-24 08:04:38 AM  
Dont feed Harmonia any more troll cookies.
2003-03-24 08:05:29 AM  
Courtesy of Rick Mercer from This Hour Has 22 Minutes CBC Television:

On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer an apology to the United States of America. We haven't been getting along very well recently and for that, I am truly sorry.

I'm sorry we called George Bush a moron. He is a moron but, it wasn't nice of us to point it out. If it's any consolation, the fact that he's a moron shouldn't reflect poorly on the people of America. After all it's not like you actually elected him.

I'm sorry about our softwood lumber. Just because we have more trees than you doesn't give us the right to sell you lumber that's cheaper and better than your own.

I'm sorry we beat you in Olympic hockey. In our defense I guess our excuse would be that our team was much, much, much, much better than yours.

I'm sorry we burnt down your white house during the war of 1812. I notice you've rebuilt it! It's Very Nice.

I'm sorry about your beer. I know we had nothing to do with your beer but, we Feel your Pain.

I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean, when you're going up against a crazed dictator, you wanna have your friends by your side. I realize it took more than two years before you guys pitched in against Hitler, but that was different. Everyone knew he had weapons.

And finally on behalf of all Canadians, I'm sorry that we're constantly apologizing for things in a passive-aggressive way which is really a thinly veiled criticism. I sincerely hope that you're not upset over this. We've seen what you do to countries you get upset with.

Thank you.
2003-03-24 08:05:34 AM  
BunnyX - that happened yesterday didnt it?
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