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2009-11-17 01:55:50 PM  
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Beer. (Photo: davidgsteadman | Flickr | Creative Commons License)

Well, I'm glad they cleared that up. I was confused for a minute.
 
2009-11-17 01:56:41 PM  

wage0048:
Ahh. Wasn't sure. In MN, our liquor stores sell beer, and grocery stores are limited to 3.2% or lower.

I love visiting my family in Wisconsin: Lower alcohol taxes, open Sundays, and you can pick up a bottle of liquor at pretty much any gas station (selection is somewhat limited at some places).


In Georgia there is no liquor at the grocery store. On the plus side, they have beer at gas stations, which Indiana didn't have when I lived there.

Indiana also has a law against selling cold beer at the grocery store.
 
2009-11-17 01:58:02 PM  

numbone: City Councilman Kwanza Hall wanted to move last call UP not push it back. Atlanta is not having enough late night killings in the bars so he wants to get the numbers up. This will help get rid all those nasty conventioneers who come around spending all that money.


I read this wrong. Are you trying to say that increased nightlife is bad for conventions? Someone better tell Vegas.
 
2009-11-17 01:59:43 PM  
City Councilman Kwanza Hall introduced legislation Monday requesting a study of extending the deadline to sell liquor from 2:30 a.m. to 4 a.m.

with a name like that I can understand if he wants to pound the liquor in the wee mornings
 
2009-11-17 02:01:35 PM  
Let me know when a councilwomen suggests something like this.
 
2009-11-17 02:02:00 PM  
Rapmaster2000 Quote 2009-11-17 01:54:59 PM
numbone:

I wonder why he doesn't spell it "Kwanzaa" as in that wondermous fake holiday.

To be fair, what holiday isn't fake? They're all just a collection of traditions to be executed over a set period of time.


Wasn't it "invented" by Ron Karenga, a convicted felon, Marxist, college professor? Not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
2009-11-17 02:02:03 PM  
Sweet! More women, who got screwed over by a man, can sing "You Ougha Know" at karaoke!
 
2009-11-17 02:04:41 PM  

Rapmaster2000: numbone:

I wonder why he doesn't spell it "Kwanzaa" as in that wondermous fake holiday.

To be fair, what holiday isn't fake? They're all just a collection of traditions to be executed over a set period of time.


I loved you in Star Trek TNG, Brent.
 
2009-11-17 02:05:33 PM  

numbone: Rapmaster2000 Quote 2009-11-17 01:54:59 PM
numbone:

I wonder why he doesn't spell it "Kwanzaa" as in that wondermous fake holiday.

To be fair, what holiday isn't fake? They're all just a collection of traditions to be executed over a set period of time.

Wasn't it "invented" by Ron Karenga, a convicted felon, Marxist, college professor? Not that there is anything wrong with that.


Yes. Much like Christmas was tacked on to Yule - a holiday enjoyed by promiscuous Earth worshippers who take the modern form of fat nerds.

It's all bullshiat. Once you accept that, you'll find that life is more relaxing, unless outrage and scorn is your thing.
 
2009-11-17 02:12:12 PM  

Rapmaster2000: wage0048:
Ahh. Wasn't sure. In MN, our liquor stores sell beer, and grocery stores are limited to 3.2% or lower.

I love visiting my family in Wisconsin: Lower alcohol taxes, open Sundays, and you can pick up a bottle of liquor at pretty much any gas station (selection is somewhat limited at some places).

In Georgia there is no liquor at the grocery store. On the plus side, they have beer at gas stations, which Indiana didn't have when I lived there.

Indiana also has a law against selling cold beer at the grocery store.


Does the law specify how the beer got cold? If not, one could always just put a few cases out back for a couple hours and "rotate sock" regularly.
\\Hey, it's not refrigerated, it just happens to not be heated either.
 
2009-11-17 02:12:20 PM  
WTF is this "Last Call" you speak of?
/Vegas FTW!!!
 
2009-11-17 02:15:20 PM  

Slick Johnson: What is this last call that you speak of?

/Reason #342 why I love Nevada
//Everything is 24/7


Dangit! I need to know the other 341 reasons anyway.
 
2009-11-17 02:22:02 PM  

Bhopper: Aren't they pushing last call FORWARD?


Shhhh, subby screwed up so bad on the time thing, ... we don't want 'em to feel bad.
 
2009-11-17 02:23:50 PM  

KingKauff:
Which Peachtree? Be more specific.

Here's a fun game to play: try to give someone directions through the city of Atlanta without them having to go on a road with the word "Peachtree" in it. For double bonus points, no Waffle Houses can be passed.


Having moved to Macon only a few weeks ago, my first reaction was "Who the fark needs this many Waffle Houses in a state? This is an absurdity".

Recently, I noticed that the only thing that outnumbers Waffle Houses on the side of the road is roadkill and blown-out tires.

This state is starting to weird me out a bit. I think I'm gonna watch "The Deep South" tonight to make some of it feel better.
 
2009-11-17 02:24:40 PM  
i was being a smartarse
yes i know ft worth is not the only place to have a controversy over gay bars being raided...it's just that i live close to ft worth and their is a very current controversy on this topic

omgbears: bungle_jr: that's ft worth

The Atlanta Eagle is in Ft. Worth? Us gays need to work on naming our bars better...

http://atlantaeagleraid.com/

http://www.steakhouseorgaybar.com/

 
2009-11-17 02:29:02 PM  

aquaticphoenix: wage0048: bungle_jr:
not being able to sell beer and liquor at the same place - Not sure what you mean here.

In New York State, you can buy beer at supermarkets, the corner store, and gas stations.

You can buy wine and liquor at a liquor store.

Supermarkets, &c. cannot sell wine or liquor (cooking wine might be a special exception, but nobody wants to drink that shiat straight).

Liquor stores cannot sell beer.

I think that's what bungle meant.


yes, thanks, that's what i meant

i was stationed at ramstein germany for over 4 years...i tried to explain "dry counties" to my german coworkers one day...blew their minds! of course so did the 4-way stop signs on base...i agreed with them on both things

i never tried to tell them about how we had to go to 2 different stores to buy beer and liquor, and how in some places (like in arkansas where i was raised) you couldn't buy either on a sunday
 
2009-11-17 02:30:24 PM  
Rapmaster2000 2009-11-17 01:54:59 PM
numbone:

I wonder why he doesn't spell it "Kwanzaa" as in that wondermous fake holiday.

To be fair, what holiday isn't fake? They're all just a collection of traditions to be executed over a set period of time.


Same reason Scientology isnt a religion and Christianity is.
 
2009-11-17 02:37:51 PM  

fatal_exception: Last call never made any sense to me. If you're concerned about drunken hooligans spilling out onto the street when they can't get served anymore, why stop serving? Problem solved.


Didn't Britain do away with last call so that bars could close when they wanted and not send all the drunks into the streets at the same time?
 
2009-11-17 02:38:11 PM  

agoodbook: Rapmaster2000 2009-11-17 01:54:59 PM
numbone:

I wonder why he doesn't spell it "Kwanzaa" as in that wondermous fake holiday.

To be fair, what holiday isn't fake? They're all just a collection of traditions to be executed over a set period of time.

Same reason Scientology isnt a religion and Christianity is.


I see where you're coming from. Much like how Scientology is a sloppy narrative about Xenu and Intergalactic DC-8s, Easter is a bizarre mystical holiday about how God had a zombie son that makes you drink his blood and eat his body.

Kwanzaa is from what I understand a way for black kids to find out that they came from Africa.

One is fanciful and made up. One is pretty normal.

Much like how Scientology
 
2009-11-17 02:41:57 PM  
In Paris, they shut everything down at midnight, with the exception of some VERY expensive after-hours clubs.

It is a good marketing ploy: They leave you wanting more, so you come back tomorrow.
 
2009-11-17 02:42:37 PM  

sboyle1020: The_Sponge: sboyle1020: Seriously, I thought PA was bad. They at least give us a 12-5 window on Sunday for beer and alcohol, that need to be purchased at separate places.


Any restriction on a man's right to go on a beer run during halftime is anti-American.

I'm actually convinced football was the reason they changed the Sunday alcohol rule. I can't tell you how many times I got screwed before Sunday sales, where I forgot to get beer on Saturday for Sunday and was forced to buy a bunch of 6-packs from a pizza joint for like $10 a pop.


It wasn't so much an issue of forgetting to buy beer for Sunday, the problem was forgetting not to drink all the beer on Saturday.
 
2009-11-17 02:44:18 PM  

Keystone Copout: sboyle1020: The_Sponge: sboyle1020: Seriously, I thought PA was bad. They at least give us a 12-5 window on Sunday for beer and alcohol, that need to be purchased at separate places.


Any restriction on a man's right to go on a beer run during halftime is anti-American.

I'm actually convinced football was the reason they changed the Sunday alcohol rule. I can't tell you how many times I got screwed before Sunday sales, where I forgot to get beer on Saturday for Sunday and was forced to buy a bunch of 6-packs from a pizza joint for like $10 a pop.

It wasn't so much an issue of forgetting to buy beer for Sunday, the problem was forgetting not to drink all the beer on Saturday.


Or you had a party on Saturday, and someone got into the Sunday beers that you had deliberately stashed.
 
2009-11-17 02:52:43 PM  
In Key West the bars close at 4:30 AM, but on neighboring Stock Island they do not close at all.

Damned inconvenient: when you're off on a toot, you either have to wait 2 and 1/2 hours for the bars to re-open, or drive 3 miles when it's a little bit drunk out there.
 
2009-11-17 02:54:33 PM  

Another Government Employee: numbone: City Councilman Kwanza Hall wanted to move last call UP not push it back. Atlanta is not having enough late night killings in the bars so he wants to get the numbers up. This will help get rid all those nasty conventioneers who come around spending all that money. Also, there will be more fresh piss and puke in the alley ways and streets. This way it won't be dried up at 6:30 when rush hours start. Everyone can smell what a great time was had. Don't you love it when a plan comes together.

I wonder why he doesn't spell it "Kwanzaa" as in that wondermous fake holiday.

If you have ever worked downtown, you know how true this statement is.


Hey AGE!!

Osprey
 
2009-11-17 03:01:08 PM  

falconerga: Another Government Employee: numbone: City Councilman Kwanza Hall wanted to move last call UP not push it back. Atlanta is not having enough late night killings in the bars so he wants to get the numbers up. This will help get rid all those nasty conventioneers who come around spending all that money. Also, there will be more fresh piss and puke in the alley ways and streets. This way it won't be dried up at 6:30 when rush hours start. Everyone can smell what a great time was had. Don't you love it when a plan comes together.

I wonder why he doesn't spell it "Kwanzaa" as in that wondermous fake holiday.

If you have ever worked downtown, you know how true this statement is.

Hey AGE!!

Osprey


Howdy.
 
2009-11-17 03:06:55 PM  
Yeah, because if you aren't drunk by 2:30 a.m. another hour and a half should do the trick.
 
2009-11-17 03:07:09 PM  
"Kwanza" huh?

I'd like you to meat my sons Easter and Yom Kippur, amd my daughter 4th of July. We call her Independence for short.

/When will the dumb names end?
 
2009-11-17 03:11:22 PM  
I lived in Japan for nearly 2 years and I got used to having no bar closing time. It was a great thing. I also got used to being able to go to strip clubs where you get to do a little more than just have tits pressed into your face.. but that is a different story for a different time.

But yeah, laws that exist to enforce some sort of morality are a load of shiat.
 
2009-11-17 03:23:23 PM  

Another Government Employee: vernonFL: Atlanta needs to bring back Freaknik.

No. They need to bring back The Chattahoochee River Raft Race.

(White People's Freaknik)


There used to be a Gay People's version of the raft race as well. Thousands of men in full length ball gowns raftin down the riv.

/heh, said "ball"
//nttiawwt
 
2009-11-17 03:43:01 PM  
subby is too drunk to properly tell time...
 
2009-11-17 04:03:10 PM  
One thing I like about my state is that even though the cut off time is 2 AM I can still buy on Sunday and can buy Beer, Wine or liquor from just about any type of store.
 
2009-11-17 04:22:05 PM  
Another Government Employee: Only if there is active buttsecks over the bar.

Wait... there's passive buttsecks, too?
 
2009-11-17 04:26:39 PM  
img1.fark.net tag is needed in lieu of img1.fark.net tag.

The clubs in Atlanta used to be open until 4 several years ago. Then the rich people in Buckhead started complaining about the noise coming from the nearby clubs and lobbied the city to make them shut down/close earlier (How about living elsewhere if you don't like the noise?). Eventually the the city cut back the operating hours of Atlanta clubs and bars and the clubs in Buckhead were shut down completely. Obvious cause and effect ensues - the city begins losing tourism revenue because the night life is not nearly as fun as it used to be. Anyone remember this thread/article?

http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4111854 (new window)

So really the city is trying to fix a monumental mistake they made several years ago - no hero in this story.
 
2009-11-17 04:27:57 PM  

I Said: 2:30 am to 4:00 am is one and a half hours.


Overtime pay rates
 
2009-11-17 04:41:01 PM  
As someone who bartends 60 miles away in Athens, I hope our last call remains 2 AM. It takes long enough to clean up. 4 AM would a nightmare.

Also, fark Freaknik. Bring back Music Midtown.
 
2009-11-17 04:49:27 PM  
OH YA MEAN like it was a few years ago till they decided that they needed to close EARLIER..PICK A TIME DAMNIT.
 
2009-11-17 05:28:33 PM  

branlieb: As someone who bartends 60 miles away in Athens, I hope our last call remains 2 AM. It takes long enough to clean up. 4 AM would a nightmare.

Also, fark Freaknik. Bring back Music Midtown.


Hear, hear! Seeing all those bands all over Downtown was great! i wish they'd still do the free concerts in Centennial Park. nothing was more awesome than seeing TMBG on the lawn for free.
 
2009-11-17 05:56:42 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Well, it won't happen. The old, rich people in Buckhead used the fear of teh negroes to shut down their bar district and execute a land grab....


Well, to be fair, the whole tenor of Buckhead had changed from a care-free party place to a darker, less friendly one. You can use the whole "negroes" shtick if you want to, but I was there running EMS calls in the late 90's and early 00's. It got kinda rough. Most of my friends quit going there. I won't argue that there was certainly a power play made using the state senate and city council to basically shut the bars down by making the area less attractive to the big time party-goers, but you can't be having shoot outs and stabbings in the streets 2 blocks from the Governor's mansion can you? The bar district was literally blocks away from the homes of the richest people in the state. That won't fly in Atlanta or anywhere else.
 
2009-11-17 06:16:57 PM  
1+1 = 5
Do I get this post greenlit.
 
2009-11-17 06:42:00 PM  

pelzar: Drive Thru Daiquiris: One more reason to love New Orleans

Also, it is nice to buy liquor on a Sunday morning at Wal-Mart.

WHO DAT


Who Dat, indeed. :)
 
2009-11-17 07:25:03 PM  
oh yea... More drunks driving on peachtree till dawn. Perfect. So glad I escaped alive. Moved in 2002. Never going back if I can help it.
 
2009-11-17 07:41:37 PM  

LeafyGreens: vernonFL: Atlanta needs to bring back Freaknik.

You be quiet!


They tried to sneak it back in to the ATL in 2003 under the guise of the NBA ALL-Star game, same fiasco, only there were less stabbings, shootings, and arrests during Freaknik.
 
2009-11-17 07:46:18 PM  
Saint Louis, Mo. is pretty lax about beer & liquor. I can go to just about any gas station, grocery store or convenience store in the county and buy beer, wine and liquor. Saint Louis city is slightly more strict. You can't buy liquor from anywhere that has a gas pump, but beer and wine are fine.

Now, in Saint Louis county sales end at 1:30am (12am on Sunday), but if you still want to go out, go a few miles east to the City of Saint Louis and find a 3am bar. Now if you still want to party, head a few more miles east and welcome to Sauget Illinois. The strip clubs are open to 6am and Pop's is open 24 hours. Nothing like stumbling out of a bar at 11am.

Plus as a bonus, all the East side bars ignore the Illinois smoking ban. Well Pops doesn't, but all the strip clubs do.
 
2009-11-17 09:16:13 PM  

Wile_E._Quixote: Rapmaster2000: Well, it won't happen. The old, rich people in Buckhead used the fear of teh negroes to shut down their bar district and execute a land grab....

Well, to be fair, the whole tenor of Buckhead had changed from a care-free party place to a darker, less friendly one. You can use the whole "negroes" shtick if you want to, but I was there running EMS calls in the late 90's and early 00's. It got kinda rough. Most of my friends quit going there. I won't argue that there was certainly a power play made using the state senate and city council to basically shut the bars down by making the area less attractive to the big time party-goers, but you can't be having shoot outs and stabbings in the streets 2 blocks from the Governor's mansion can you? The bar district was literally blocks away from the homes of the richest people in the state. That won't fly in Atlanta or anywhere else.


I agree with you, but in my opinion the scary negroes is still a well-worn narrative for scaring the hell out of people. It gives a fearful immediacy that you can't get from tales of rowdy suburban drunks.

A lot of the more high profile Buckhead incidents were specifically related to BMF, an organization with a much lower profile since the Feds broke up their trafficking network. Whether things would still be out of hand without their presence is still a possibility.

Now that all of the people that made Buckhead so intolerable have moved on to Castleberry Hill, you don't hear about it as much. I suppose the upper-middle class art kids don't have as much clout as old money.
 
2009-11-18 12:33:35 AM  

Landfill: THIS would be good for the East side and Mid town were people actually act decent. Everywhere else not so much.


THIS! East and south Atlanta can get very scary!
 
2009-11-18 12:35:45 AM  

KingKauff: Can't wait for the residents in Buckhead to start biatching about the rowdy drunks at 4 am.


If there's one thing Buckhead residents never seem short on, it is things to biatch about. The vocal ones who get laws like this passed, anyway
I remember when this law went into effect; a bartender somewhere off Clairmont took three -open- beers off the bar because the clock rolled over that extra minute between her opening them and placing them there... Yet last call at the Pink Pony was still 4am (2 exits north)
 
2009-11-18 11:25:23 AM  
Rapmaster2000: I agree with you, but in my opinion the scary negroes is still a well-worn narrative for scaring the hell out of people. It gives a fearful immediacy that you can't get from tales of rowdy suburban drunks...

Yeah, but I am sick and tired of everything in the city being attributed to racism. I work here, and I know it exists - in both directions. But sometimes it's not about race! I think the Southern white racist stereotype is so overplayed that it is rapidly becoming a joke. Sure there are white people who are racist here... but not any more than anywhere else in the world, and less than in many places. Many people and organizations here are crippled by their fear of even seeming racist.

I come from Philadelphia, which in my opinion has far more racial division than Atlanta.
 
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