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(Examiner)   Dane Cook says he wants to play "The Riddler" in the forthcoming "Dark Knight" sequel, just can't decide who to steal inspiration from for the role   (examiner.com) divider line 180
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2009-11-17 10:16:03 AM  
Pxtl: fudgefactor7: Oh, man.... Better villain: Clayface. You never would know who the badguy is because he could be anyone.

Paranoia is a powerful tool against anyone.

Except Clayface's power (even in the simplest face-shaping form) is kind of pushing the edge of the believability of Nolan's setting. He already did that once at the end of Batman Begins, and it kind of hurt an otherwise good picture.


Take away the power aspect - make him an actor and FX master who creates masks to imitate people ala Mission Impossible or Darkman. Eventually have the caustic chemicals he use burn his face so he has to wear a mask, and so is always changing his appearance.

Personally I think Deadshot would be a good villain as well, or a minor villain ala Scarecrow in TDK. The story from Gotham Knight was pretty good with him, very fitting with the Nolanverse.
 
2009-11-17 10:18:26 AM  
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why do we keep having the same thread when the answer is always going to be the same? David Hyde Pierce.

Johny Depp will kill the batman franchise if he is in it, his crazy is beyond comprehension and the director would have to be tim burton.
 
2009-11-17 10:19:33 AM  
Pxtl: We all stopped for a minute and decided that yes, even though it's tacky stunt-casting, Tilda Swinton would be farking EPIC as the riddler.

BRILLIANT.
 
2009-11-17 10:26:24 AM  
SithLord: If it was the cold, calculating, condescending Riddler: Jim Parsons (Sheldon from Big Bang Theory)

Damn, that actually could be good.
 
2009-11-17 10:27:03 AM  
Michael Emerson.

Difficulty: Getting him to do one more villain. No, I don't think throwing piles of money at him would work.
 
2009-11-17 10:30:29 AM  
Danish men are the tallest in the world. So, this is not surprising.
 
2009-11-17 10:32:54 AM  
I like the ideas putting out having Penguin as mob boss, but I don't think the Riddler should be a hired gun. Keep the Penguin as an entrepeneur, but keep his dealings with the mob a secret. The Riddler can figure out the Penguin and Batman's secrets, but he blackmails the Penguin into supplying him the resources to play mind games with Batman.
 
2009-11-17 10:38:04 AM  
Ishkur: I don't get the Riddler. Why would you want to work with a super villain who's gimmick is leaving clues for the good guys to find? You think maybe the Legion of Doom would deliberately not let him in on a lot of secrets just so he doesn't go and blab the whole operation to the Justice League?

Seanbaby, is that you?
 
2009-11-17 10:38:43 AM  
Dane Cook is too edgy for me.
 
2009-11-17 10:39:05 AM  
Can we lay a ground rule for casting directors? NO COMEDIANS for the role of Riddler.
 
2009-11-17 10:40:13 AM  
I agree with not having a third Batman film until there is a really good story that needs to be told.

That being said, I think if you have a third movie, it's tough to have a known villain because, seriously, how many people can there really be doing this kind of sh*t? The Nolan films are great because they treat the story as realistic.

The only way I see it working is having the Riddler, but never referring to him as that. Don't even mention him in the credits. Just have this guy, not in a goofy costume.

Whatever the case, though, do what the first two films did - pick themes, build the story, and make sure the characters fit. Don't start with the characters, then try to tell the story.
 
2009-11-17 10:40:36 AM  
Circus Midget: I like the ideas putting out having Penguin as mob boss, but I don't think the Riddler should be a hired gun. Keep the Penguin as an entrepeneur, but keep his dealings with the mob a secret. The Riddler can figure out the Penguin and Batman's secrets, but he blackmails the Penguin into supplying him the resources to play mind games with Batman.

I like that idea even better.
 
2009-11-17 10:42:42 AM  
I don't get the Dane Cook hate...I think he's pretty funny.

/Carlos Mencia, on the other hand, steals jokes and isn't funny doing it.
//he's also gotten FAR more exposure...
 
2009-11-17 10:46:29 AM  
I trust the "Batman Begins" team completely with their casting decisions. The internet nerds were out in full force to bash the Heath Ledger as Joker pick, and look how that turned out.

The one thing I would like to see changed though, and it is the only problem I had with the 2nd movie, Gotham City is way too nice. I wouldn't go as far as Tim Burton's Gotham, but it is in the right direction.
 
2009-11-17 10:49:48 AM  
Sun God: Eddie Izzard could pull it off. Maybe.

You, sir, get a Bob Ross win!

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2009-11-17 10:50:05 AM  
Orgasmatron138: The only way I see it working is having the Riddler, but never referring to him as that. Don't even mention him in the credits. Just have this guy, not in a goofy costume.

Meh, if he becomes publicly known, then it's just what the papers call him. Hell, his name is obviously a pseudonym - I mean, he's Edward Nygma. No way that's is birthname. I mean, on Dexter, the Dexter is the Bay Harbor Butcher - a far worse title than The Riddler... but nobody cares, because the show isn't about the Bay Harbor Butcher - it's about Dexter.

Just a guy (or a gal) with a green tie.

Whatever the case, though, do what the first two films did - pick themes, build the story, and make sure the characters fit. Don't start with the characters, then try to tell the story.

Definitely this.

The third movie will likely be at least partially about Batman on the run, so having a villain who rubs elbows with authority like a mob-boss/socialite Penguin works well, except that it's a bit of a re-tread of Batman Returns.
 
2009-11-17 10:50:09 AM  
They could use the Penguin (a name he's only called behind his back) as an information broker, who works with Nygma with his "professional" name being Riddler, to piece together bits of info that could turn a profit for him and his clients (mob bosses, corrupt officials, even stock brokers (maybe some apparent insider trading involving Wayne Enterprises is what draws the attention of Batman?).

Riddler, in addition to being well paid, asks Penguin for seemingly random info that allows him to pursue his own agenda (basically trolling people to death out of boredom). It's only after Bats breaks up some of Riddler's "impossible to uncover" scemes that he decides to match wits with the Worlds Greatest Detective.

Penguin uses his info as leverage to keep Bats from cracking his skull and the mob and GCPD from hassling him, all the while trying to worm his way into the now-vacant throne of Gotham's capo di capo tutti.
 
2009-11-17 10:53:42 AM  
Mr. Slippyfist: I trust the "Batman Begins" team completely with their casting decisions. The internet nerds were out in full force to bash the Heath Ledger as Joker pick, and look how that turned out.

Oh we all know that, but spitballing is fun, just the same. And remember that Ledger was the _only_ stunt pick. Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, and to a lesser extent Liam Neeson played the same roles we've always seen them in. Hell, look at Bale - a rich socialite living an ultra-violent double-life? He's never done anything like that before.

But yes, the casting is generally quite good... just like everything else about Nolan's Batman films. So no matter what, it'll kick ass.
 
2009-11-17 10:55:02 AM  
kheris: Penguin uses his info as leverage to keep Bats from cracking his skull and the mob and GCPD from hassling him, all the while trying to worm his way into the now-vacant throne of Gotham's capo di capo tutti.

heheh, sounds like the movie would be more about Penguin than Batman.... NTTAWWT. I've personally always wanted a Marvel Kingpin movie.
 
2009-11-17 10:55:43 AM  
kheris: capo di capo tutti Capo di tutti capi.

FTFM
 
2009-11-17 11:08:49 AM  
Pxtl: We all stopped for a minute and decided that yes, even though it's tacky stunt-casting, Tilda Swinton would be farking EPIC as the riddler.

I'd pay money to see that.
 
2009-11-17 11:10:31 AM  
I think we can all agree at least that The Penguin can easily be a Nolanverse villain. He's not completely comicky and can really work out well. And also, we can agree that Nolan isn't completely insane, so whatever he makes will have solid casting and a plot that doesn't make us sadface.

I'd rather like to see Paul Giamatti play the role. I think he might do it a good bit of justice.
 
2009-11-17 11:25:28 AM  
vdantev: Too Dead .

Yeah but Nabb1: Still a better choice than Dane Cook, though.

Heh.
 
2009-11-17 11:26:16 AM  
JokerMattly: I'd rather like to see Paul Giamatti play the role. I think he might do it a good bit of justice.

... really? I never got the impression that Giamatti was a terribly good actor. He seems to get roles simply because a part was written looking for an unimpressive man. Admittedly, I haven't seen him in any good movies, only bad ones (eg. Lady in the Suck, The Illusionist).
 
2009-11-17 11:33:24 AM  
Pxtl: ... really? I never got the impression that Giamatti was a terribly good actor. He seems to get roles simply because a part was written looking for an unimpressive man. Admittedly, I haven't seen him in any good movies, only bad ones (eg. Lady in the Suck, The Illusionist).

He was actually surprisingly good in Shoot Em Up

Which boggles my mind really because the movie really did require zero acting effort, yet he put quite a bit into it.
 
2009-11-17 11:36:04 AM  
Pxtl: yarnothuntin: Sun God: Can the Riddler be a woman?

Now you're just being silly.

People just bring this up because many, many threads ago, somebody suggested Tilda Swinton.

We all stopped for a minute and decided that yes, even though it's tacky stunt-casting, Tilda Swinton would be farking EPIC as the riddler.


Thanks...that was me.* And I really do think she'd be flat-out amazing. Like someone suggested upthread (referring to Depp, whoever steps into the next Batman franchise villain role is going to have to be nothing short of brilliant to avoid an endless barrage of "yeah, but can't hold a candle to Ledger" remarks. Swinton has insane chops. She could pull off the brilliant performance the role would need.

*Er, the one that suggested Swinton, that is. I'm not actually Tilda Swinton.

Last I looked, anyway...
 
2009-11-17 11:39:04 AM  
Wrackspurt: *Er, the one that suggested Swinton, that is. I'm not actually Tilda Swinton.

Well, you know if you were... how you doing?

/goofy I know, but I think shes hot
 
2009-11-17 11:47:17 AM  
IdBeCrazyIf: /goofy I know, but I think shes hot

While I agree 100%, I thought we already established that you have no standards?
 
2009-11-17 11:51:43 AM  
Tim Roth as the Riddler - Great choice. The guy is super talented.

It's too bad Gary Oldman is the Commissioner. He is an amazing actor and would have done a great job as the Joker (see the Professional). He's wasted as the Commissioner. Anybody could play that.

Dane Cook? Yeah right.
 
2009-11-17 11:55:52 AM  
IdBeCrazyIf: Pxtl: ... really? I never got the impression that Giamatti was a terribly good actor. He seems to get roles simply because a part was written looking for an unimpressive man. Admittedly, I haven't seen him in any good movies, only bad ones (eg. Lady in the Suck, The Illusionist).

He was actually surprisingly good in Shoot Em Up

Which boggles my mind really because the movie really did require zero acting effort, yet he put quite a bit into it.


I thought he really was pretty good in Sideways, overexposed, overplayed Merlot freakout scene aside.
 
2009-11-17 12:00:32 PM  
soj4life: why do we keep having the same thread when the answer is always going to be the same? David Hyde Pierce.

That would be so farking awesome.
 
2009-11-17 12:02:47 PM  
KhamanV: o

Good choice but he's already typcast "BEN".
 
2009-11-17 12:04:10 PM  
Pxtl: While I agree 100%, I thought we already established that you have no standards?

Good point

Guysmiley: I thought he really was pretty good in Sideways, overexposed, overplayed Merlot freakout scene aside.

Sideways was an excellent script as well, so he had a lot to work with there. It was the equivalent of getting a 7 course steak meal at a diner. Totally unexpected but an awesome meal even if you only ate the veggies and meat.
 
2009-11-17 12:10:39 PM  
thegod082: soj4life: why do we keep having the same thread when the answer is always going to be the same? David Hyde Pierce.

That would be so farking awesome.


Agreed.

www.newyorkology.com
 
2009-11-17 12:12:20 PM  
assegai: KhamanV: o

Good choice but he's already typcast "BEN".


He's typecast as super intelligent bastards, which is why he'd fit for this but probably wouldn't happen as a: I think Nolan has more creativity and b: I think Emerson's going to go back to Broadway for a while to get some flavor back in his career.

/he's an extremely sweet guy, really.
 
2009-11-17 12:15:33 PM  
thegod082: soj4life: why do we keep having the same thread when the answer is always going to be the same? David Hyde Pierce.

That would be so farking awesome.


I'd rather see him as the Penguin than the Riddler... Riddler is doing it for fun, Penguin is doing it for power. Every time Pierce has played a villain (Sideshow Cecil and Emperor Zombie) he's been awesome as a ruthlessly practical man. I want to see him do that in an adult film. I want to see him shooting hostages.
 
2009-11-17 12:17:28 PM  
Bah, I totally did not think it through when I wrote the words "adult film". I meant, like, not-a-cartoon. I don't want to see Pierce's sex-tapes, particularly considering which way his sexual proclivities lie.
 
2009-11-17 12:20:14 PM  
Death, oh, wait, no, CAKE!

Uh, sorry, you said Death, we have to kill you.

But I didn't mean it.

Oh, fine, here is your bloody cake!
 
2009-11-17 12:20:49 PM  
I'm going to go way out and say Viggo Mortensen. He'd play the hell out of that role....WONK!
 
2009-11-17 12:33:10 PM  
Eminem--The Rappin' Riddler
 
2009-11-17 12:36:46 PM  
Skip the Riddler...give us Bane instead.
 
2009-11-17 12:50:10 PM  
Pxtl: JokerMattly: I'd rather like to see Paul Giamatti play the role. I think he might do it a good bit of justice.

... really? I never got the impression that Giamatti was a terribly good actor. He seems to get roles simply because a part was written looking for an unimpressive man. Admittedly, I haven't seen him in any good movies, only bad ones (eg. Lady in the Suck, The Illusionist).


You sir, wouldn't know a bad movie if it blasted you across the jaw.
 
2009-11-17 12:54:38 PM  
Madbassist1: You sir, wouldn't know a bad movie if it blasted you across the jaw.

The Illusionist was slow, ugly, and the ending was so loudly telegraphed I didn't even bother to watch it. The only surprise finish was the part where they tried to imply that Eisenheim's apparent magic was somehow feasible as illusionary tricks. Lots of bad fake accents, lots of awkward pauses, and no payoff.

The Prestige made it look sick.
 
2009-11-17 12:54:42 PM  
Madbassist1: The Illusionist

It wasn't THAT bad..... other than the fact that Biel was nothing but eye candy with zero talent and Norton looked like he REALLY did not want to be there, the movie was okay.
 
2009-11-17 01:03:16 PM  
Screw Bane. Give me the Click King.

To be perfectly honest, I don't remember that much about him from the comics, but I liked his incarnation in the Timm-verse. He's every bit as smart as Batman, perhaps even smarter. He's not devious, he's just a cold, hard strategist. He was even able to outfight Batman because he'd studied hundreds of videos, timing his every move, learning exactly how long it took him to throw a punch or a kick or what things he liked to do in combination.

Combine that with CK's obsession with time and revenge, and you have Batman up against a formidable foe (not some whacko that inexplicably managed to stay under the radar like Joker) and you get a high-tension tension film.

www.worldsfinestonline.com

/Blazing Hot
 
2009-11-17 01:04:47 PM  
JokerMattly: I'd rather like to see Paul Giamatti play the role. I think he might do it a good bit of justice.

I always thought that Paul Giamatti would make an awesome Ventriloquist.

www.batmantas.com
 
2009-11-17 01:05:04 PM  
Sorry, "Clock King".
 
2009-11-17 01:08:48 PM  
PIP_the_TROLL: To be perfectly honest, I don't remember that much about him from the comics, but I liked his incarnation in the Timm-verse. He's every bit as smart as Batman, perhaps even smarter. He's not devious, he's just a cold, hard strategist. He was even able to outfight Batman because he'd studied hundreds of videos, timing his every move, learning exactly how long it took him to throw a punch or a kick or what things he liked to do in combination.

I loved what TAS did with him, but iirc they prettymuch threw out everything about him for TAS and remade him from scratch. Hell, he never even calls himself the Clock King - he just says "when it comes to clocks, I am king".

Batman has so few characters like that - guys that both keep up with him in intelligence and a fight. Everybody is either a powerhouse lug, or an evil (but fragile) genius, or a psychopath that has neither but a city full of squishy Gothamites to kill (like Zsasz or the Joker).

Bane was an attempt to create something with both, but they made him so over-the-top in the comics that he's not really workable in the Nolanverse.
 
2009-11-17 01:31:27 PM  
For the Riddler to work in Nolan's films he has to be extremely subtle. The fact that he is obsessive-compulsive about the riddles and deathtraps really could work in the movie, if it is played down. Make the riddles so subtle that it takes a "eureka" moment for Batman to even find them. The deathtraps can be more situational, more of a concious effort to fake Batman into a deadly situation than building a Goldberg-esque trap. The Joker worked because the insanity was so ingrained in the character it was accepted. Do the same with the Riddler's intelligence and obsession and you could have a very flexible and interesting character.
 
2009-11-17 01:40:04 PM  
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Paul Giamatti could be a pretty wicked Riddler.
 
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