I dunno... I mean, what good has ever come of a free and unfettered internet?

karmaceutical 2009-11-17 12:41:58 AM  
I dunno... I mean, what good has ever come of a free and unfettered internet?

porn and illegal downloads

karmaceutical: I dunno... I mean, what good has ever come of a free and unfettered internet?

Porn.

karmaceutical: I dunno... I mean, what good has ever come of a free and unfettered internet?

/b/?

Killer Cars: How often does that pickup line work?

only had to work once... and Im never putting her down.

I'm only reading the news because the internet filter at work blocks me from Facebook and Cracked, so I'm getting a kick.

karmaceutical: I dunno... I mean, what good has ever come of a free and unfettered internet?

my career ?

mind you I spend my time chasing child porn downloaders and pirates... so errr yea, kinda biased on that one.

FTA: Yang Hengjun, 45, a blogger and novelist based in the southern city of Guangzhou, said he was impressed by Obama's frank admission that some free speech irks him, and by U.S. laws that are intended to keep the government from censoring criticism.

"You see, freedom of speech in America is not given to the people by the president but is something that the people use to supervise their government and president, to protect themselves," Yang wrote in an essay titled "Why do I Blog? Obama has answered that question." Posted online late Monday, links to the essay were spread via Twitter.

Let us realize the arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice. Let us realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth crushed to earth will rise again." Let us go out realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not deceived, God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." This is our hope for the future, and with this faith we will be able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow with a cosmic past tense, "We have overcome, we have overcome, deep in my heart, I did believe we would overcome."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

Slartibartfaster, your comment seems the opposite of unfettered then. please don't track me.

Weaver95: El Chode: I was surprised to learn that Australia is very pro-censorship on the Internet, beyond their little firewall.

yep. I had to help a friend find a way to circumvent the aussie restrictions so that he could get a full copy of Left4Dead 2.

I'd be interested in knowing how you did this. I'm not in oz and don't know anyone over there buying L4D, but in case I do later.

jrrd73: please don't track me

please dont share or produce child porn
and Im cool with that deal

jrrd73: seems the opposite of unfettered then

I do not fetter the internet

just child molestors, identity thieves, etc...

ya know, yer basic farker

i am not doing anything porny, just kidding.

I am corrections so i fetter more pedophiles and criminals, you get the hunt, i get the cage.

Slartibartfaster: Curious how you got into that career field.

/email in profile

mrexcess: Curious how you got into that career field

I started off in data recovery ("whoops I deleted all my pictures"), specialized in disk utilities for a decade or so, then got into digital forensics. That grew into image analysis, and bingo, here I am now :-)

It is a quickly growing field. Start out with "digital forensics" or "e-discovery" as a google term.

jrrd73: I am corrections so i fetter more pedophiles and criminals

Then ya let them back out again, I catch em again, and ... hehehe the show goes on.

(I do offer freeware tool for probation agents to assist that, I understand the funding issues)

i am going into the paralegal field specializing in electronic discovery so we may deal someday.

Slartibartfaster: karmaceutical: I dunno... I mean, what good has ever come of a free and unfettered internet?

my career ?

mind you I spend my time chasing child porn downloaders and pirates... so errr yea, kinda biased on that one.

Interesting. I read somewhere that law enforcement agencies had considered child pornography nearly eradicated until the advent of the internet.

jrrd73: we may deal someday

I hope so

karmaceutical: I read somewhere that law enforcement agencies had considered child pornography nearly eradicated until the advent of the internet

Sounds like someone wrote some crap there.
A lot of the stuff still in the field is from pre-internet ages.

I did a lecture in china a couple of years ago, they were not interested in child porn (there is no child porn in china - that was their story and they stuck by it... no gays in Iran either right ?). They were more concerned with financial fraud (credit cards in this case)

anfrind: Fuller: Again, as an Australian, I've got to ask. Where did this impression come from? There was a push to censor the internet a short while ago, but it was never going to work because it was obviously stupid, and it fell flat. Beyond that, I don't understand the association. Is there some meme I missed?

Based on the stories I saw (and admittedly most of my information came from stories on Slashdot), it sounded like the reason it ultimately failed was that what the government wanted to do was technically impossible. As far as I heard, there was hardly anyone in a position of power who opposed it on any sort of ethical grounds.

Legios:Senator Conroy (the moron pushing for internet filtering and minister for communications etc.) did the "If you're against it, you're a kiddie fiddler!" routine, and if I remember correctly the only person actively opposing him was Sen. Ludlam. Outside of the politics arena though, none of the ISPs wanted to trial it and most of them said it was a farking stupid idea in the first place.

/our politicians suck...

Well, early on there was a call to make internet access in the USA block access to "really bad" stuff (Nazi hate sites, bomb making instructions, Jihad websites). Inevitably, copyright infringement would actually end up far higher on the list, then porn, then people bickering over who libeled them and trying to get the other guy banninated from the Internet. This would be a terrible idea.

Initially we had experts SAY it was impossible. Then Google assisted the Chinese government in CREATING the GFWoC. They explained themselves by saying it was the foot in the door, that a filtered Internet is better than no Internet.

However, in doing so, they proved that mass content filtering WAS indeed possible, leading to a possibility that it COULD happen here.

Slartibartfaster:

I did a lecture in china a couple of years ago, they were not interested in child porn (there is no child porn in china - that was their story and they stuck by it...

Not every country is as farked up as US. Hey, I guess you're still number 1 at something.

Oznog: anfrind: Fuller: Again, as an Australian, I've got to ask. Where did this impression come from? There was a push to censor the internet a short while ago, but it was never going to work because it was obviously stupid, and it fell flat. Beyond that, I don't understand the association. Is there some meme I missed?

Based on the stories I saw (and admittedly most of my information came from stories on Slashdot), it sounded like the reason it ultimately failed was that what the government wanted to do was technically impossible. As far as I heard, there was hardly anyone in a position of power who opposed it on any sort of ethical grounds.

Legios:Senator Conroy (the moron pushing for internet filtering and minister for communications etc.) did the "If you're against it, you're a kiddie fiddler!" routine, and if I remember correctly the only person actively opposing him was Sen. Ludlam. Outside of the politics arena though, none of the ISPs wanted to trial it and most of them said it was a farking stupid idea in the first place.

/our politicians suck...

Well, early on there was a call to make internet access in the USA block access to "really bad" stuff (Nazi hate sites, bomb making instructions, Jihad websites). Inevitably, copyright infringement would actually end up far higher on the list, then porn, then people bickering over who libeled them and trying to get the other guy banninated from the Internet. This would be a terrible idea.

Initially we had experts SAY it was impossible. Then Google assisted the Chinese government in CREATING the GFWoC. They explained themselves by saying it was the foot in the door, that a filtered Internet is better than no Internet.

However, in doing so, they proved that mass content filtering WAS indeed possible, leading to a possibility that it COULD happen here.

Yeah, there was a "scope-creep" issue here too. What would be censored and who would censor it? It was decided ACMA (Australian Communications and Media Authority) and the AFP (Australian Federal Police) would both censor it, but it was a completely unknown process. No-one was allowed to know what sites were on it or why. Upside is that they screwed up because they had to provide the blacklist to the ISPs in a vendor-neutral format (I believe it was a text file) and it was leaked almost immediately when the trials began.

Didn't help that it was assisted in parliament by Family First, a Christian "zOMG think of the children!!1" political party...

FTA: "You see, freedom of speech in America is not given to the people by the president but is something that the people use to supervise their government and president, to protect themselves," Yang wrote in an essay titled "Why do I Blog? Obama has answered that question."

This kid is adorable.

the oob: Weaver95: El Chode: I was surprised to learn that Australia is very pro-censorship on the Internet, beyond their little firewall.

yep. I had to help a friend find a way to circumvent the aussie restrictions so that he could get a full copy of Left4Dead 2.

I'd be interested in knowing how you did this. I'm not in oz and don't know anyone over there buying L4D, but in case I do later.


1. The guy trusts you enough to paypal you the cost of the game and shipping to his country.
2. Buy the game for the guy.
3. Rip the DVD(s) to images.
4. Put the images up on an FTP server along with text files containing any related serials, etc.
5. He downloads the images, recreates the disks and installs/plays the game.
6. You ship him the original disks and box.


Sometimes you have to add steps to compensate for DRM, but I've delivered several banned-in-their-tight-ass-homeland games to people that way.

Maybe China will stop censoring the web when we stop censoring radio.
Come on, it's radio! Oh no, little Timmy might hear a stripper talk of phalli!

Slartibartfaster: Nifty, thanks.

In the '60s we fought communism with bullets. In the '00s we bankroll communism with jobs.

The freedom speech rings hollow. We should be denying Chinese imports, refusing loans, and not offshoring jobs so the poverty pushes the Chinese citizens to pull a 1776.

theredsea1: In the '60s we fought communism with bullets. In the '00s we bankroll communism with jobs.

Please provide a detailed list of the ways in which modern China represents Communists from the sixties.

theredsea1: In the '60s we fought communism with bullets. In the '00s we bankroll communism with jobs.

The freedom speech rings hollow. We should be denying Chinese imports, refusing loans, and not offshoring jobs so the poverty pushes the Chinese citizens to pull a 1776.


I'm with you in spirit, but the last thing the Chinese people need is another violent revolution ripping their already-shiathole infrastructure apart. I admit that I don't have anything resembling a better idea.

KobaSauce: I guess you're still number 1 at something

a whole lotta things

// sure not of them are things to be proud of
/ a good chunk of them are though

Ah, another typical arrogant blunder. What does Obama do when he is hosted by a country? He insults their internal policy and attempts to interfere with it. Real smooth, Bam-bam.

He is also too weak-willed and without back-bone. He needs to confront China about it's human rights abuses to a greater degree.

Slartibartfaster: a whole lotta things

open disclosure, I am not american
proud to be here though :-)

"we" ARE number one !!! at more than just eating hotdogs.... wait, whats that ? errrr ok, we are number one at ummmmmm.... have a look around the US, avoid the press, it exists in reality too, it is a great place full of awesome people (even some of the rednecks)

FTA:Because Twitter is blocked in China, Yang and others use proxy servers to get around the controls.

I wonder if the censorship officials read that, and the poor sap's name now all over the internet mentioning his illegal activity, and crack down on him?

Slartibartfaster: karmaceutical: I dunno... I mean, what good has ever come of a free and unfettered internet?

my career ?

mind you I spend my time chasing child porn downloaders and pirates... so errr yea, kinda biased on that one.


Hi, *chan moderator here. Could you and/or your colleagues at various law enforcement agencies do us a favor and stop posting honeypot cp sites on the various /b/ boards? Because we have to check every such link to delete those that contain actual cp, which means my hard drive could at any given time earn me 20 years in San Quentin despite my utter disinterest in toddler poon.

Thanks in advance.

bopeuph: I wonder if the censorship officials read that, and the poor sap's name now all over the internet mentioning his illegal activity, and crack down on him?

They already knew. They just didn't want to haul the guy off to the gulag on the eve of Obama's arrival.

bopeuph: I wonder if the censorship officials read that, and the poor sap's name now all over the internet mentioning his illegal activity, and crack down on him

yep

Body Worlds is a fun show (new window)

check out the eyes, the overall height, and the penis size ;-)
just for.... ya know.... fun

We get censored too, but we are self censoring, kind of amazingly. For references to this, google search missing children, see which ones go high profile, then watch about 10 hours of anything that involves Paris Hilton. Then try and find serious news, see how that compares with regards to ease.

Different "strokes" for different folks

That firewall is fun though, seems open to russia, so all the normal p2p gateways and web proxies work just fine for bulk emailing.

Hong Kong was basically open, parts of Xi'an were pretty much open (but google was filtering). Beijing was very walled in.

China is nothing if not HUGE (not harking back to the body worlds (new window) thing)

Jeff73: Could you and/or your colleagues

I would never post such a thing (Id post wild pictures of the various politicians that piss me off, or maybe some other stuff, but I would never go all 4chan on ya)

and if you are seeing it (and assuming you have the logs), there are people who will help you trace that and assist you in prosecution (that shows intent to distribute, along with entrapment, but I would aim my prosecution at the prior)

If your associated law team has not already done this... they should.

Jeff73: my hard drive could at any given time earn me 20 years in San Quentin

Sand Box that machine
Show your intent to remove
And include that in the complaint

Intent is quite important, if you have the time and reason to prove it.

Clear your cache often
Log that cleaning
Secure erase that
and explain why you are required to do it

Paperwork paperwork paperwork

oh and it helps a lot if you REALLY delete the stuff
hide it and ... well you know what happens.

Slartibartfaster: Jeff73: my hard drive could at any given time earn me 20 years in San Quentin

Sand Box that machine
Show your intent to remove
And include that in the complaint

Intent is quite important, if you have the time and reason to prove it.

Clear your cache often
Log that cleaning
Secure erase that
and explain why you are required to do it

Paperwork paperwork paperwork

oh and it helps a lot if you REALLY delete the stuff
hide it and ... well you know what happens.


There is no law team because it's farkin *chan. I'm not specifying which for the obvious reason. Actually, these days I only log into my moderator account using a linux liveCD that 'saves' to a virtual HDD that exists only in ram. I'm not really going to get caught with the shiat, ever. It just irks me that there are podunk sheriffs' departments and city police who keep cp on their servers and share it with a piece of the Internet that I'm responsible for, and I can't call them on it without enduring a legal shiatstorm.

Yeah, intent, documentation, etc blah blah I'll eventually get off. Meanwhile I'll be publicly (yay newspapers) suspected of owning kiddy pr0n which is a taint you can't scrape off with feeble tools like not actually being guilty. Look, just spread the word, OK - the honeypot bullshiat needs to stop.

WorldCitizen: El Chode: I was surprised to learn that Australia is very pro-censorship on the Internet, beyond their little firewall.

Yeah, this is very disappointing from Australia. The US had the Puritans, not them. I don't understand their interest in censoring internet content.

The Puritans left the US Massachusetts and the Presbyterians, which aren't exactly all sunlight and unicorns dancing in a field of flowers but have generally done well by us. Our problems with social authoritarians in the US come from younger protestant movements rooted in the bible belt and old south, secular organizational movements like PTAs and school-board that more or less stem from our nation's political structures, and crazy leftists that seem to come in from the west coast and random bits of desert states.

Using 'puritan' as an adjective is appropriate enough, as it describes the modern movements well enough (and the original bunch were a special breed of crazy), but if you're blaming the actual Puritans for the US's religious and social repressive tendencies then I think you're missing a lot of history. The movement was already dying when they came over here... heck, it started dying with Cromwell.

//Just saying, if the Brits, who had their actual government taken over and screwed up by the Puritans, can refrain from whining about it, I think we in the US where at most they were the neighbors of a few of our founders we can let it go a bit.

If Obama is for free speech and free internet, why the hell is he trying to shut Fox up?

Hypocrite!

China accidentally a fleshlight- the whole thing!

Jeff73: I only log into my moderator account using a linux liveCD that 'saves' to a virtual HDD that exists only in ram

nice sandbox, and wise.

make sure to clean it regularly just in case.

Jeff73: Look, just spread the word, OK - the honeypot bullshiat needs to stop

sure... but you should try to prosecute that (I can't, I am not you)

miniflea: How effective is the net censorship there? Does the average Chinese internet user know how to get past it (and then actually use that knowledge) or do most of them just accept it? I know self-criticism isn't exactly a Chinese strong point, do the majority of them even realize or care that their government is so restrictive with this stuff?

It's really sketchy. They've blocked a lot of western stuff that is considered public access to the world by most people. Youtube gone, facebook gone, etc. It's not all nationwide though - for instance, Hong Kong still has access to facebook, not sure about youtube or obama speeches though. I think Shanghai might also have access to it, not exactly sure. Not sure what you would consider the average internet user in China. I would imagine most use public computers - PC cafe's are quite popular in asia and are used extensively. Not sure how many would really have access to VPNs as it would have to be a VPN outside of China. I know several people who get around it just find, and they don't seem like techies or anything to me.

China actually gets away with a lot regarding censorship. They bat the gaming industry around quite a bit. For instance, WoW had to make huge changes to the game for them to release it to a Chinese audience. If it had been anyone else Blizz probably would of just said screw it, but the Chinese market is so huge that it's worth going in for.

Slartibartfaster: Jeff73: Look, just spread the word, OK - the honeypot bullshiat needs to stop

sure... but you should try to prosecute that (I can't, I am not you)


Haha yeah I'd probably win. Years down the line some podunk sheriff (asshole you are the cause of my problems) would end up in the state pen for having cp to catch the 'real predators' who enjoy cp. My life would get turned inside out if I did that and no actual pedophiles would get caught.

But I should totally try!

Idea. International great firewall day.

To participate all you have to do is post something negative about china's firewalls on your site. If enough people go through with it, china would have to cut out the entire internet to censor effectively

just an idea.

Dig this:

STOP BUYING PRODUCTS MADE IN CHINA, YOU CAN DO IT, YOU WILL SURVIVE!

/I so farking hate you all.

GaryPDX: WorldCitizen: El Chode: I was surprised to learn that Australia is very pro-censorship on the Internet, beyond their little firewall.

Yeah, this is very disappointing from Australia. The US had the Puritans, not them. I don't understand their interest in censoring internet content.

Wouldn't want the "mob" thinking for themselves now would we.

And there you have it. Between the Left wanting to control what we think and their need to pander to a minority religious party to get anything through the senate, we end up having this stupid firewall forced on us. The ISP's say it will slow the net by 40% minimum.