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(Some Guy)   Single Army mom arrested for not deploying to Afghanistan because she could find no one to care for her child. Child sent to CPS. With pic of what a deploying mother saying goodbye to her child might look like   (truthout.org) divider line 966
    More: Asinine, US Army Specialist Alexis Hutchinson, Afghanistan, foster care, Child Protective Services, U.S. Army, special needs, single mothers, Angelique Hughes  
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2009-11-16 04:17:32 AM  
Just separate her from service. It sounds like she never should have signed up anyway. The Army really needs to learn how to handle these cases before they hit the news. Yeah, that'll happen.
 
2009-11-16 04:25:49 AM  
CoughcoughVOLUNTARY SERVICEcoughcough.
 
2009-11-16 04:34:51 AM  
Thank god, Obama and the Democrats are in charge!
 
2009-11-16 04:37:23 AM  
This is all Obama's fault. His touchy-feely way of dealing with things has severely weakened our military.

In the Cheney era, they would have shot the kid and sent the mom to Afghanistan.

Decisive problem solving from real men who understand the military.
 
2009-11-16 04:52:04 AM  
borg: Thank god, Obama and the Democrats are in charge!

I am curious as to what, exactly, you mean by this statement. Also, there is a comma in there that doesn't need to be.
 
2009-11-16 05:31:23 AM  
NewportBarGuy: Just separate her from service. It sounds like she never should have signed up anyway. The Army really needs to learn how to handle these cases before they hit the news. Yeah, that'll happen.

As much as I feel for her, it was up to her to realize what she was getting herself into before she signed on the dotted line. It's not a secret that some women will get pregnant to avoid deployment or use their kids to delay it as much as possible. I think the article intentionally leaves out a lot of information to make her seem like a victim.
 
2009-11-16 05:58:14 AM  
Sumo Surfer: NewportBarGuy: Just separate her from service. It sounds like she never should have signed up anyway. The Army really needs to learn how to handle these cases before they hit the news. Yeah, that'll happen.

As much as I feel for her, it was up to her to realize what she was getting herself into before she signed on the dotted line. It's not a secret that some women will get pregnant to avoid deployment or use their kids to delay it as much as possible. I think the article intentionally leaves out a lot of information to make her seem like a victim.


This is the stance I usually take, but the article is pretty light on details. I've never personally seen something like this happen to a soldier, but it doesn't exactly stretch the limits of credibility to think that it could have happened the way she told it. And there's no saying she was single, or even a mom, when she joined. It's completely feasible that she got pregnant, married, and divorced all in the span of a single enlistment contract. Not likely, but possible. It's also completely possible that the recruiter told her that she would never deploy as long as she was a single mom. I've heard of that one. That's pretty low, if you ask me- thank god I never had to be a recruiter.
 
2009-11-16 06:21:33 AM  
Sumo Surfer: I think the article intentionally leaves out a lot of information to make her seem like a victim.

Hiro Nakamura: the article is pretty light on details.

Exactly.

Based on what is there, separate. I know the 1SG is more worried about his numbers than anything else, that is his job. But, if she can't find anyone to take care of the kid, just cut her loose. It means everyone else has to pick up her slack, but why deploy with her just to bring her up on charges? She'll be taking the time from her first-line guiding her through paper-work and hearings when he/she could be focusing on other soldiers.

It keeps the staff hounds busy, but accomplishes nothing.
 
2009-11-16 06:59:14 AM  
This is what Hardship Discharges are for......
 
2009-11-16 07:07:40 AM  
Sumo Surfer: NewportBarGuy: Just separate her from service. It sounds like she never should have signed up anyway. The Army really needs to learn how to handle these cases before they hit the news. Yeah, that'll happen.

As much as I feel for her, it was up to her to realize what she was getting herself into before she signed on the dotted line. It's not a secret that some women will get pregnant to avoid deployment or use their kids to delay it as much as possible. I think the article intentionally leaves out a lot of information to make her seem like a victim.


This! While it is horrible that she is being forced deploy with out having some one care for her child. My gut feelings are the she is intensionally dragging her feet to avoid deployment, and her unit called her bluff. Never fear though, this will all work out with her getting her kid back along with a less than honorable discharge, but her unit will drag this out for a couple of months to punish her.
 
2009-11-16 07:14:19 AM  
sepuku2: This is what Hardship Discharges are for......

Same thing I thought.

Seems as if the Army mom doesn't come from a large family and the only person available is unable to care for the child. A kid isn't a pet; you just can't drop it off and hope for the best.
 
2009-11-16 07:18:46 AM  
DNRTA, but my husband HAS to have a family care plan in place before deployment. Why didn't anyone notice that she didn't have one? Or did they, since I DNRTA?
 
2009-11-16 09:16:09 AM  
Earpj: DNRTA, but my husband HAS to have a family care plan in place before deployment. Why didn't anyone notice that she didn't have one? Or did they, since I DNRTA?

According to TFA she had an unworkable family care plan. Her mom was supposed to take care of the kid, but her mom was ailing AND had to take care of other "special needs" people in the family as well (Grandma is taking care of Great-Grandma, plus the defendant's aunt and a sister).

My guess is that they'll have a court martial, then kick her out of the Army with a less-than-honorable discharge.

No mention of a baby daddy. She doesn't sound like the shiniest boots in the barracks.
 
2009-11-16 09:43:46 AM  
sepuku2: This is what Hardship Discharges are for......

You seriously think they'll give hardship discharges when they're doing backdoor drafts and keeping people on for two, three, and even four tours beyond what they signed up for against their will? They need bodies, they aren't going to let her go... except now they might since it's getting national attention.
 
2009-11-16 11:32:21 AM  
Earpj: DNRTA, but my husband HAS to have a family care plan in place before deployment. Why didn't anyone notice that she didn't have one? Or did they, since I DNRTA?

Came here to say this. It's not unreasonable for her commander to be suspicious when the Family Care Plan suddenly craps out a week before she's getting shipped out, and she suddenly can't deploy until she finds a new one. The closer you get to a deployment date, the more you hear the "Gee, sir, I can't deploy, this Massive, Gigantic Problem That I've Never Mentioned to Anybody Before says I can't go, so I guess you have to leave me behind" crap comes out of the woodwork.

It's a servicemember's responsibility to have a valid FMC that will provide car for the child for the entirety of the deployment, which can be as long as 15 months, which is why you're supposed to have a valid one as soon as you sign into your unit, and update it as soon as it changes.

She and her mother didn't seriously consider the ramifications of caring for her child, and now it's the Big Bad Army's fault that those two idiots didn't think another child thrown into her mother's farked up family would be a burden.
 
2009-11-16 11:46:10 AM  
...or the whole "I can't take of her child!" is a crock of shiat cooked up by the Grandmother so her Pwecious Widdle Snowfwake won't have to deploy.

Talon: sepuku2: This is what Hardship Discharges are for......

You seriously think they'll give hardship discharges when they're doing backdoor drafts and keeping people on for two, three, and even four tours beyond what they signed up for against their will? They need bodies, they aren't going to let her go... except now they might since it's getting national attention.


They did with a guy in my unit. Both of his parents were dead and he was an only child, His wife divorced him, and didn't want custody of their kid. Her parents were both invalids.

His Hardship Discharge was approved in less than a month.
 
2009-11-16 11:49:11 AM  
NewportBarGuy: Just separate her from service. It sounds like she never should have signed up anyway. The Army really needs to learn how to handle these cases before they hit the news. Yeah, that'll happen.

Agreed. I have never understood why the Army allows single parents to enlist or remain in service.
 
2009-11-16 11:52:49 AM  
sepuku2: This is what Hardship Discharges are for.....

What is the Hardship?
Just because she was unwilling to do her contractual obligation and insure that her crotch dropping (A.K.A. anti-deployment device) had a place to stay when she was deployed is not a hardship.

The reason she is screaming about it now is not because she is going to get out of the Army, but because she is going to be court martialed and lose all of them Veterans Benefits that she signed up for!

It's great being a Single Mom in the Military, you get housing, medical and all sorts of freebies for your spawn! Then you get to be the "victim" when the Military actually expects you to be Military!

/Wife was in JAG for 15 years, the stories she tells
 
2009-11-16 11:53:51 AM  
SchlingFocker: NewportBarGuy: Just separate her from service. It sounds like she never should have signed up anyway. The Army really needs to learn how to handle these cases before they hit the news. Yeah, that'll happen.

Agreed. I have never understood why the Army allows single parents to enlist or remain in service.


In theory, it's up to the individual to determine that they're able to give what their country will ask of them. When she hit a point - assume it happened honestly - where she would be unable to serve, she should have proactively requested that she be discharged accordingly.

Instead, she stayed on, knowing that if she were called up she would be unable to serve.

We're far too light on details to know everything that happened here, but it's definitely not the army (or military in general) that should be monitoring its off-duty members for this sort of thing. The resources that would take (e.g. people checking up on you) would be absurd.
 
2009-11-16 12:05:12 PM  
mattharvest: When she hit a point - assume it happened honestly - where she would be unable to serve, she should have proactively requested that she be discharged accordingly.

Instead, she stayed on, knowing that if she were called up she would be unable to serve.


You're expecting people who have been taught from day zero in basic that there is no problem they can't overcome if they push hard enough to actually recognize their limitations?

but it's definitely not the army (or military in general) that should be monitoring its off-duty members for this sort of thing. The resources that would take (e.g. people checking up on you) would be absurd.

That's correct. That's why it's best to just avoid the problem altogether and not allow single parents to serve. The marginal benefit is not worth the time and effort involved in ensuring they are actually deployable.
 
2009-11-16 12:06:02 PM  
My sister got deployed to South Korea back in 2000, despite having already done three overseas deployments and having a 9-month old baby. Guess what? She had to make arrangements with the rest of the family to take care of the baby, because the Army wasn't about to bend over backwards. If you're in the service, you don't have a whole lot of choice.

That being said, for this to become a big story, there was a PR failure on the Army's part, and just being right isn't enough. In incidents like this and the one with the West Point football player who they told not to sign with an NFL team, the Army needs to handle their PR better.
 
2009-11-16 12:18:47 PM  
No mention of the babby daddy anywhere in the article? She a virgin Mary? How come the dad can't take care of the kid?
 
2009-11-16 12:22:51 PM  
UNC_Samurai: Guess what? She had to make arrangements with the rest of the family to take care of the baby, because the Army wasn't about to bend over backwards. If you're in the service, you don't have a whole lot of choice.

Going by the article, this soldier created the care plan, submitted it to her chain of command, and had it approved.

Either she lied on her care plan to make herself appear deployable or her chain of command ignored the fact that it was a flawed care plan to ensure that she was listed as deployable on the unit roster.

I know which one sounds more likely to me.
 
2009-11-16 12:23:43 PM  
muck4doo: How come the dad can't take care of the kid?

If the dad's not willing, there's nothing the Army can do to force him.

Again, yet another reason why single parents don't belong in the military.
 
2009-11-16 12:24:54 PM  
"Currently, Hutchinson is scheduled to fly to Afghanistan on Sunday for a special court martial, where she then faces up to one year in jail."

That will really help the situation.
with as many families and single parents (with custody) that have to deploy constantly, you'd think someone would come up with a service to take care of the children that have to be left behind*

*assuming greatly here that some single parents really don't have an option.

/sounds like a business waiting to happen.. if I just had the money, or if I liked kids..
 
2009-11-16 12:35:04 PM  
Here's an idea. END THE WARS. Lots and lots of problems solved.
 
2009-11-16 12:41:20 PM  
GurneyHalleck: Here's an idea. END THE WARS. Lots and lots of problems solved.

Crazy talk!
then what are you going to suggest we do with all the money? Support the homeless? better education system? better and affordable low-income housing? lower property taxes for homeowners? Lower taxes in general across the board?
HAH!
 
2009-11-16 12:43:58 PM  
The army provides just about everything else, so why not just pick a base with schools and a hospital, and set up a boarding school/creche for the dependents of deployed personnel that have nowhere else to go.
 
2009-11-16 12:46:51 PM  
"Kamani is a village in Bhamo Township in Bhamo District in the Kachin State of north-eastern Burma. [1]."
 
2009-11-16 12:47:11 PM  
One word: Pathetic
 
2009-11-16 12:47:33 PM  
Currently, Hutchinson is scheduled to fly to Afghanistan on Sunday for a special court martial, where she then faces up to one year in jail.

Regardless of whether or not what the army did was wrong, this just seems like a spectacular waste of resources. Why can't they just, you know, try her in the US?
 
2009-11-16 12:47:52 PM  
Typical. Breeders always want special treatment because they have a kid. I'm not surprised.

/I keed
 
2009-11-16 12:48:06 PM  
Sgt Otter: t's a servicemember's responsibility to have a valid FMC that will provide car for the child for the entirety of the deployment

But does an 11 month old really need a car?
 
2009-11-16 12:48:17 PM  
Ender's: borg: Thank god, Obama and the Democrats are in charge!

I am curious as to what, exactly, you mean by this statement. Also, there is a comma in there that doesn't need to be.


You didn't have to get all raciss.
 
2009-11-16 12:48:23 PM  
GurneyHalleck: Here's an idea. END THE WARS. Lots and lots of problems solved.

Not this one. There's plenty of peacetime training that takes you away from the comfort of your home-station, and you can't drag your kids along. The Family Care Plan comes into play for these as well.

If she ever wants to get promoted higher than Specialist, she'd have to spend a month at Warrior Leaders' Course (which used to be PLDC). Even in peacetime, month-long rotations to the National Training Center or Joint Readiness Training Center were common. If she gets transferred to an Airborne unit, that's a month at Jump School.
 
2009-11-16 12:48:28 PM  
tell that biatch to shut the fark up and get on the plane. did she not read the pamphlet when she signed up?
 
2009-11-16 12:48:42 PM  
sepuku2: This is what Hardship Discharges are for......

THIS.

I'm all for committing to the duty you signed up for, but this is just... RUDE.
 
2009-11-16 12:49:16 PM  
Thanks Obama for ending this war like you said. Way to fail.
 
2009-11-16 12:49:18 PM  
This just proves that any military by definition is evil enterprise. Soldiers are just little screws that make this fascist apparatus run... and treated as such.
 
2009-11-16 12:49:30 PM  
She should lose her kid for the simple fact that she dressed a boy in a pink and white striped shirt. She's gonna raise a nancy

JC
 
2009-11-16 12:50:10 PM  
What do women in the army do, anyways? wash dishes?
 
2009-11-16 12:50:29 PM  
Welcome to Obama's America.
 
2009-11-16 12:50:31 PM  
Bad scene all around.
 
2009-11-16 12:50:33 PM  
Everybody should RTFA. It says she had a care plan in place, was implementing it, and then the "care plan" - her own farking mother, for crisssakes - backed out at the last minute.

Sorry, this is neither her fault, nor the Army's fault. Some pencildick in admin is hiding behind a rule book. Send HIM to Afghanistan. Naked. Alone. Without a sidearm. With something obscene about God painted on his backside.
 
2009-11-16 12:50:54 PM  
trumpai: This just proves that any military by definition is evil enterprise. Soldiers are just little screws that make this fascist apparatus run... and treated as such.

I believe once you sign up for the US military you are OWNED by the government. When they tell you to bend over and take it up the ass...you have to because you're owned by them.

If you can't handle that then don't bother signing up. It's not like this woman was drafted.
 
2009-11-16 12:51:08 PM  
1. If this single mom was married when she joined the army, then the army needs to let her stay home, or they should have honourably discharged her when she got divorced or became a widow.

2. If this single mom joined the army when she was a single mom with child, the army shouldn't of taken her.

/simplicity is a hero
 
2009-11-16 12:52:15 PM  
Say voluntary service all you want, stories like this are the reason I and many other people would never dream of joining the army. The army is reducing the number of potentially good soldiers they can recruit every time something like this happens. Voluntary service shouldn't mean someone becomes your slave.
 
2009-11-16 12:52:32 PM  
Seems like Daddy-less babies are all the rage these days. I am getting sick of hearing about all these single Moms these days. Like it's some sort of badge of honor...
 
2009-11-16 12:52:32 PM  
Enlistment Questionnaire (circle one)
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1. Afraid you might have to fight in a war you won't agree with? Yes / No

2. You do not have family members or friends to care for your child while you are away? Yes / No


If you answered "Yes" to any of the questions DO NOT ENLIST IN THE MILITARY.
 
2009-11-16 12:52:34 PM  
DarthBrooks:
No mention of a baby daddy. She doesn't sound like the shiniest boots in the barracks.


Duh. They are the shiniest boots. She keeps em polished so the fellas can see the reflection up her skirt..
 
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