This is such crap. having dealt with dozens of deployments from the Navy and now Dozens from my son and wife in the Army I can tell you that the military services has always been good at dealing with kids first, deployment 2nd. (Always being the 15 years or so I have been regulary dealing with it).

My Wife's current job is to deal with prep for the National Gaurd leavin for the Sandbox in the east. Dozen's of times in the last few years we have seen deployments cancelled, defered, or postponed for individual service memebers do to depenant issues.

Now having said that we have also dealt with people that used their dependant as an excuse to not deploy. It gets looked into and if the are BS'ing, they get a 'deploy for go to jail' notice, but never has anyone been forced to have there kid got to CPS. The likely worst case here is that they will kick her out dishonorably, but seperation for reason other than dishonorable is the highest chance of happening if she really can't find anyone making her undeployable.

CyberSkirt: I'm thinking a lot of you didn't actually read the article...

It stated that her mom took the child, found she was unable to care for the infant after a week because of three other high-needs dependents (a woman likely in her 50's, so no spring chicken as it is.), returned her grandchild to her daughter and the single mom asked for an extension to make alternate arrangements all just before deployment because her arrangements broke down, was granted it and then days before her original deployment date was denied it and then arrested for not showing up for deployment.

... The grandmother had her grandson for a week in another state, he was flown out and back shortly before the deployment and everything.

And according to the lawyer, the mom still wants to be deployed, just as soon as she finds someone to take long-term care of her child. She didn't ask to be 'hardship' discharged, she asked for an extension to make suitable arrangements because the originals ones broke down and then she was denied the ability to do so and arrested for not leaving her child...

This isn't a case where she can leave her kid with a baby-sitter for a few hours, this is where she's leaving her child with someone for about a year... I dunno, she might need some time to find someone willing to do that in more than the scant week she had when denied an extension.

Yeah, I'm thinking 90% of the people commenting in this thread not only didn't read the article, but have no clue how the military works.

to them, your family barely exists, if you're lucky. You're a number to them, they don't give a squirt of piss about your family. They only 'pay' for your families housing and food to keep you in the military. If it was up to them, they'd pay everyone E-7 and under a flat rate and make housing and food come out of your pocket.

NightOwl2255: Limp_Penis: CBR ME ASAP: Limp_Penis: SeamusFerrell: Real picture:

Oh, she's a negro.

Well that changes everything.

She's obviously lying!

I don't think you can lie about being a negro.

You can lie, it's just not believed.

ihatedumbpeople: They only 'pay' for your families housing and food to keep you in the military.

BAS is for your use, not your family's.

ihatedumbpeople:
Yeah, I'm thinking 90% of the people commenting in this thread not only didn't read the article, but have no clue how the military works


Those who wrote the aerticle have no idea how the military works.

You're a number to them, they don't give a squirt of piss about your family. They only 'pay' for your families housing and food to keep you in the military. If it was up to them, they'd pay everyone E-7 and under a flat rate and make housing and food come out of your pocket

......and neither do you.

Mykeru: cauth002: Seriously...he's a troll. He seeks out people that do not agree with him and then rattles on and on about stupid they are. Kind of a stalker actually.

Congratulations, you've just deployed Michelle Bachman's "MSNBC is stalking me" defense. It's a really lame -- not to mention blatantly sexist -- attempt to write your own "get out of criticism free" card. What's it like to be in that sort of bat-poo crazy paranoid company?

Also, if you want to counter the people on this thread who claim women are not up to the demands of being in the military -- a claim I don't agree with anyway -- pulling this "damsel in distress" crap in the face of someone using sarcasm in a comment thread (as opposed, say, RPGs in a combat zone) is probably not the the most convincing tactic.

A real woman can stand her ground.

No, you are a troll and a stalker. I can click "show all" and then "find." You have appeared on this tread an alarming amount of times having absolutely nothing to add other than "coont waffle, moron, idiot, tiny-minded", and some other classy language. You pretend to be an intelligent person, but if you were, you'd have something to add other than "NO YOU! and "NO, YOU SUCK", and "YOU'RE A MORON"! Grow up child. And PLEASE, take the strange picture of your feet down.

Daffydil: CBR ME ASAP: yeah, and he's just saying that it sucks for every single person that signs up and is deployed. The fact that she is a single mom shouldn't get her out of the shiat that she signed up for. It's a relevant point.

The fact there is no one to take care of the child is the point...for me, this is not about the mother being shipped off...she knew what she was signing up for...

There is someone taking care of the child-Protective child services. The RELEVANT POINT YOU CAN'T seem to understand is that THE MOTHER brought this misery into the childs life by HER ACTIONS, the armies RESPONSE is a DIRECT consequence or HER actions.

Mykeru: cauth002: Awww, that's cute. You're the sterotypical poster who has nothing to add except the ol' "you're stupid" and " you're insecure" bullshiat.

You represent the dilemma of deciding if a poster is just a self-satisfied moron with selective attention doing an endless dance with their own strawman or, as some people think, a shameless troll who is overplaying her hand by pretending to be far more stupid than any human being could be without having been killed at Walmart in a freak automatic door accident.

Keep trying. You almost made sense. Not quite though. Perhaps you should think about what you want to say before you click "add comment." That's what all the English teachers tell you in school.

Daffydil: TheRedMonkey: Well then why did she have risky sex with the guy? Everyone knows the consequences of sex without birth control, and I hardly doubt she used it properly and it failed. If you do not want to have a kid with that person then take action about it.

so you've only had sex with people who you wanted to have a child with? I can see the halo now...or is that just your virginity showing?

No, HIS INTELLIGENCE is showing. HE SAID TAKE PRECAUTION.

/Selective reading, gotta luv it.

so, we have a biatch here who joined up and is using her crotchfruit as an excuse to get out of serving.

FARK THAT!

throw the book at this biatch, fark her crotchfruit! she knew what the consequenses of getting knocked up were. she had every opportunity to ask for a discharge after the dead beat dad split, but noooooo! i's jus cant gib up mah gov't bennies! oh lawdy what will i's do then!?

cauth002: Perhaps you should think about what you want to say before you click "add comment." That's what all the English teachers tell you in school.

Wait... English Teachers are covering Thread commentary standards in school now? Amazing...

SeamusFerrell 2009-11-16 01:08:24 PM
Real picture:


no surprise shes black.

/am i trolling?

MilitaryTigger: cauth002: Perhaps you should think about what you want to say before you click "add comment." That's what all the English teachers tell you in school.

Wait... English Teachers are covering Thread commentary standards in school now? Amazing...

Yeah, I know. Pretty cool huh? Glad you like it.

Gamer Grrrl: TheRedMonkey: Gamer Grrrl: Perhaps, like in my cousin's case or my sister-in-law's case* the father doesn't want anything to do with the kid?

Well then why did she have risky sex with the guy? Everyone knows the consequences of sex without birth control, and I hardly doubt she used it properly and it failed. If you do not want to have a kid with that person then take action about it.

Uh, actually my cousin DID use it properly (every single day at the exact same time, within 15 minutes) and she still got pregnant. She was just meant to have a kid. And like I said earlier, the woman in the article is stationed in Georgia, which only has 5 Planned Parenthood clinics. It's very possible abortion wasn't an option for her (since the government WILL NOT perform abortions, and they won't pay for them).

I'm not at all saying she should be allowed to just stay at home and yet continue serving in the Army. It just seems to me that the Army is being particularly dickish to her when they don't have to be.

Exactly WHERE in America, an adult with a job and weekends off, vacation time/personal time, CANT get an abortion. SHE WAS AN ADULT WITH A JOB. They have them in the state, whether 1 or 50. SHE COULD HAVE IF SHE WANTED TO. So enough with the 5, do you need one every 50 farking feet for the "snow flake" to be able to find them?

Gosh...where is Mykeru??? Did he leave because he no longer has an audience by which to attempt to belittle people? Sad. I guess we'll meet up again in another thread. Until then, farewell my sweet prince...my sweet, testosterone-filled prince.

ham006 2009-11-17 11:48:39 AM

Exactly WHERE in America, an adult with a job and weekends off, vacation time/personal time, CANT get an abortion. SHE WAS AN ADULT WITH A JOB. They have them in the state, whether 1 or 50. SHE COULD HAVE IF SHE WANTED TO. So enough with the 5, do you need one every 50 farking feet for the "snow flake" to be able to find them?

now, dont go using logical thought in this here thread, that will make some peoples heads asplode...

/stupid coont wanted to save her money for stupid shiat like FLAT SCREEN TEEVEES!!!
//AND SPINNAHS!!!

cauth002 2009-11-17 11:52:15 AM
Gosh...where is Mykeru??? Did he leave because he no longer has an audience by which to attempt to belittle people? Sad. I guess we'll meet up again in another thread. Until then, farewell my sweet prince...my sweet, testosterone-filled prince.

stfu

/trolling someone who isnt listening is oh so classy
//stay classy!

bodyshots: //AND SPINNAHS!!!

And why not? If she can't have an up-armored Humvee, she should at least have an up-classed one.

cauth002: Mykeru: cauth002: Seriously...he's a troll. He seeks out people that do not agree with him and then rattles on and on about stupid they are. Kind of a stalker actually.

Congratulations, you've just deployed Michelle Bachman's "MSNBC is stalking me" defense. It's a really lame -- not to mention blatantly sexist -- attempt to write your own "get out of criticism free" card. What's it like to be in that sort of bat-poo crazy paranoid company?

Also, if you want to counter the people on this thread who claim women are not up to the demands of being in the military -- a claim I don't agree with anyway -- pulling this "damsel in distress" crap in the face of someone using sarcasm in a comment thread (as opposed, say, RPGs in a combat zone) is probably not the the most convincing tactic.

A real woman can stand her ground.

No, you are a troll and a stalker. I can click "show all" and then "find." You have appeared on this tread an alarming amount of times having absolutely nothing to add other than "coont waffle, moron, idiot, tiny-minded", and some other classy language. You pretend to be an intelligent person, but if you were, you'd have something to add other than "NO YOU! and "NO, YOU SUCK", and "YOU'RE A MORON"! Grow up child. And PLEASE, take the strange picture of your feet down.

Right, this counts as the "entrenched Michelle Bachmann defense".

I can retrace the arc of the discussion too (funny that you claim you could, but didn't for some reason). I have every right to emphasize how stupid and/or disingenuous some people are, such as in this exchange with Gamer Grrrl:

Mykeru: Gamer Grrrl: Pregnancy is not voluntary.

Really?

/P.S. Just in case the subtext isn't clear: You're an idiot.

Considering that I linked to Planned Parenthood's page on dozens of means of contraception, my pointing out someone claiming that that pregnancy is voluntary isn't trollish. At worst it's simply stating the obvious. I had to go with The Lulz™ on that one, or I would actually risk becoming completely appalled by the idea that woman such as Margaret Sanger faced social ostracism and even prison to make contraception and reproductive control for women a reality only so a century later some twit could claim that pregnancy isn't voluntary.

Not done with being stupid, the party in question followed up with this brilliance:

Gamer Grrrl: Mykeru: Gamer Grrrl: Pregnancy is not voluntary.

Really?

/P.S. Just in case the subtext isn't clear: You're an idiot.

Lol, really. Some women, believe it or not, are against abortion. Some even think it's murder.

/OMG some anonymous guy on the other side of the internet called me an idiot! I'm going to go cry now!

Huh? What? Then some follow-up with said idiot:

Mykeru: Gamer Grrrl: Lol, really. Some women, believe it or not, are against abortion. Some even think it's murder.

That's nice. What's that got to do with contraceptives, moron?

farfigneugan: Gamer Grrrl: Mykeru: Gamer Grrrl: Pregnancy is not voluntary.

Really?

/P.S. Just in case the subtext isn't clear: You're an idiot.

Lol, really. Some women, believe it or not, are against abortion. Some even think it's murder.

/OMG some anonymous guy on the other side of the internet called me an idiot! I'm going to go cry now!

He gives you a planned parenthood link with a bunch of contraceptives and an IUD and you're talking about abortion=murder.

Now that it's perfectly clear you're just trolling, have a seat between Thunderpipes and LOCNAR69 on my ignore list.

Gamer Grrrl: farfigneugan: Gamer Grrrl: Mykeru: Gamer Grrrl: Pregnancy is not voluntary.

Really?

/P.S. Just in case the subtext isn't clear: You're an idiot.

Lol, really. Some women, believe it or not, are against abortion. Some even think it's murder.

/OMG some anonymous guy on the other side of the internet called me an idiot! I'm going to go cry now!

He gives you a planned parenthood link with a bunch of contraceptives and an IUD and you're talking about abortion=murder.

Now that it's perfectly clear you're just trolling, have a seat between Thunderpipes and LOCNAR69 on my ignore list.

Earlier in the thread we were talking specifically about Planned Parenthood and abortion in Georgia (where the woman is stationed). I just saw that it was a PP link and assumed it was about abortion

So you can go on talking made-up crap about what a scary stalker I am. The fact is, when certain people reach a threshold of abject stupidity -- in this case by claiming pregnancy is not voluntary, is given a link to contraception, dives right into some pro-life rant and then excuses it because they saw the link was to Planned Parenthood and assumed it was about abortion -- I no longer have to take them seriously or engage them as an equal participant in a discussion.

Of course, don't let that stop you from impotently raving and frothing. The idea that you equated criticism of your special kind of dumb with "woman bashing" is such a cheap rhetorical tactic or pathologically ego-maniacal as to still give me the giggles.

What I learned in this thread: Stupid people really lay the stupid on thick when you simply point out they are being stupid.

treesloth 2009-11-17 11:56:24 AM

And why not? If she can't have an up-armored Humvee, she should at least have an up-classed one.

touche. but only if the spinners are spinning so fast that they deflect bullets. THEN she can have spinnahs!

cauth002: That's what all the English teachers tell you in school.

You went to a school where part of the curriculum was to instruct you how to argue on the internet?

That explain volumes about you. I humbly apologize for mocking you. Then it's not all your fault that you are a moron. You were obviously cruelly cheated by the educational system.

cauth002: Gosh...where is Mykeru??? Did he leave because he no longer has an audience by which to attempt to belittle people? Sad. I guess we'll meet up again in another thread. Until then, farewell my sweet prince...my sweet, testosterone-filled prince.

Wow, now that's really, really creepy.

MilitaryTigger: cauth002: Perhaps you should think about what you want to say before you click "add comment." That's what all the English teachers tell you in school.

Wait... English Teachers are covering Thread commentary standards in school now? Amazing...

Oh, didn't see that you beat me to it before I commented. Now what's-her-tits will claim we are pack-stalking her.

Mykeru: cauth002: Gosh...where is Mykeru??? Did he leave because he no longer has an audience by which to attempt to belittle people? Sad. I guess we'll meet up again in another thread. Until then, farewell my sweet prince...my sweet, testosterone-filled prince.

Wow, now that's really, really creepy.

I'm a creepy person.

Mykeru: MilitaryTigger: cauth002: Perhaps you should think about what you want to say before you click "add comment." That's what all the English teachers tell you in school.

Wait... English Teachers are covering Thread commentary standards in school now? Amazing...

Oh, didn't see that you beat me to it before I commented. Now what's-her-tits will claim we are pack-stalking her.

Like a pack of rabid wolves.

cauth002: Mykeru: cauth002: Gosh...where is Mykeru??? Did he leave because he no longer has an audience by which to attempt to belittle people? Sad. I guess we'll meet up again in another thread. Until then, farewell my sweet prince...my sweet, testosterone-filled prince.

Wow, now that's really, really creepy.

I'm a creepy person.

Well, some day you might not have to resort to trolling Fark to find people to lavish you with (negative) attention.

I hate Moms who do this. They get a job and get pregnant then go on a "baby vacation" using insurance money (hello higher premiums for the rest of us), FMLA, whatever. Uhm - if you can't do both things then don't try to do both!

It sounds like she had the kid as a way of getting out of deployment and only signed up for the military to get military benefits. Lame lame lame!!! I say we adopt the kid out to someone more intelligent / self-reliant and deploy the Mom.

Mykeru: cauth002: Gosh...where is Mykeru??? Did he leave because he no longer has an audience by which to attempt to belittle people? Sad. I guess we'll meet up again in another thread. Until then, farewell my sweet prince...my sweet, testosterone-filled prince.

Wow, now that's really, really creepy.

Gotta agree with you there... I kinda flashed to the thought of how a buddy of mine's 14 year old daughter would get all melodramatic about how her "boyfriend" hadn't called her in the last 4 hours...

/Wasn't gonna comment till you chimed in since It was directed at you

cauth002: Like a pack of rabid wolves.

Don't rope me into your delusions... I was honestly amazed that some high school somewhere would waste time in it's curriculum teaching crap like that.

/Keep your loony to yourself

Mykeru: cauth002: Mykeru: cauth002: Gosh...where is Mykeru??? Did he leave because he no longer has an audience by which to attempt to belittle people? Sad. I guess we'll meet up again in another thread. Until then, farewell my sweet prince...my sweet, testosterone-filled prince.

Wow, now that's really, really creepy.

I'm a creepy person.

Well, some day you might not have to resort to trolling Fark to find people to lavish you with (negative) attention.

I'm a Troll, yet you compulsively refresh your page with the hopes that I'll respond to you? Hmmm...

MilitaryTigger: Mykeru: cauth002: Gosh...where is Mykeru??? Did he leave because he no longer has an audience by which to attempt to belittle people? Sad. I guess we'll meet up again in another thread. Until then, farewell my sweet prince...my sweet, testosterone-filled prince.

Wow, now that's really, really creepy.

Gotta agree with you there... I kinda flashed to the thought of how a buddy of mine's 14 year old daughter would get all melodramatic about how her "boyfriend" hadn't called her in the last 4 hours...

/Wasn't gonna comment till you chimed in since It was directed at you

Well, I feel bad for not being completely on the level with cauth002. After reading that obvious desperate cry for help, I think it's completely likely that she will always have no other choice but to troll Fark in search of attention, especially from men.

At least it wasn't just me that realized she was reading a lot more into this exchange than I could have imagined. Women like her are sad and frightening and, sadly, it's always the innocent boiled-to-death pet rabbit that suffers.

Mykeru: MilitaryTigger: Mykeru: cauth002: Gosh...where is Mykeru??? Did he leave because he no longer has an audience by which to attempt to belittle people? Sad. I guess we'll meet up again in another thread. Until then, farewell my sweet prince...my sweet, testosterone-filled prince.

Wow, now that's really, really creepy.

Gotta agree with you there... I kinda flashed to the thought of how a buddy of mine's 14 year old daughter would get all melodramatic about how her "boyfriend" hadn't called her in the last 4 hours...

/Wasn't gonna comment till you chimed in since It was directed at you

Well, I feel bad for not being completely on the level with cauth002. After reading that obvious desperate cry for help, I think it's completely likely that she will always have no other choice but to troll Fark in search of attention, especially from men.

At least it wasn't just me that realized she was reading a lot more into this exchange than I could have imagined. Women like her are sad and frightening and, sadly, it's always the innocent boiled-to-death pet rabbit that suffers.

Male attention...hmmm. I don't really need it, but since you're obviously here to give it...

This is the ultimate "wave the white flag"...which is when you have absolutely nothing else in your little bag of surprises. Since I'm not going away, you'll just claim that I'm desperate for male attention. I'd think you were clever if it weren't so damned overused and obvious.

arentol: At least she had a good reason, she didn't want to abandon her child and leave it to die.... Which is basically what the army asked her to do.

No... the Army ordered her to execute her family care plan, which she previously submitted and was subsequently approved. That this plan was incomplete or foolhardy is not the Army's problem.

What she should have done is shown up to deploy with her child in her arms, and a lawyer experienced with UCMJ at her side

No lawyer possessing those qualifications would have made an appearance with her. She could not be any further in the wrong -- same as you.

cauth002: I'm a Troll, yet you compulsively refresh your page with the hopes that I'll respond to you? Hmmm...

No. Sorry to let you down, but I care fark-all about whatever lame response a large economy-sized bag of crazy like you can dredge up. I'm checking this thread to see if folks like MilitaryTigger and bodyshots are still adding to the net Lulz™ of the universe at the expense of snark-bait such as yourself.

It's a big, big difference.

Mykeru: cauth002: I'm a Troll, yet you compulsively refresh your page with the hopes that I'll respond to you? Hmmm...

No. Sorry to let you down, but I care fark-all about whatever lame response a large economy-sized bag of crazy like you can dredge up. I'm checking this thread to see if folks like MilitaryTigger and bodyshots are still adding to the net Lulz™ of the universe at the expense of snark-bait such as yourself.

It's a big, big difference.

Sure you are.

thrgd456: what is Obama doing, tearing families apart? Is that his plan, sending babies to foster homes so their parents can go die in Afghanistan?

So this is Obama's plan for our future?

I doubt Obama had anything to do with this, but now that it's gotten public attention he has the power as Commander in Chief to put a stop to it.

cauth002: Mykeru: cauth002: I'm a Troll, yet you compulsively refresh your page with the hopes that I'll respond to you? Hmmm...

No. Sorry to let you down, but I care fark-all about whatever lame response a large economy-sized bag of crazy like you can dredge up. I'm checking this thread to see if folks like MilitaryTigger and bodyshots are still adding to the net Lulz™ of the universe at the expense of snark-bait such as yourself.

It's a big, big difference.

Sure you are.

Uh huh. This from the person who posted:

cauth002: Gosh...where is Mykeru??? Did he leave because he no longer has an audience by which to attempt to belittle people? Sad. I guess we'll meet up again in another thread. Until then, farewell my sweet prince...my sweet, testosterone-filled prince.

Welcome to my ignore list, troll.

Persnickety: hasty ambush: This all goes back to GHWB and Bill Clinton when they started using the military as a job corps for single parents/unwed mothers instead of a military organization. It got particularly bad in the US Army when they changed basic training to a coed summer cap experience for their combat service support personnel. The ambush of the 507th Maint. Co. in Iraq is directly attributable to the low training standards that were the result of those policies pushed by those who view the military as some sort of 9-5 job like IBM. The Navy and the Air Force both have coed summer camp but the problems do not manifest themselves on the battlefield as readily. The Marine Corps, thus far, has been able to resist the push for coed basic training as it still understands its role is as military force not a social engineering lab.

So if public policy is encourging single parenthood in the military, then the military needs to step up and face the natural consequences of this policy. We already provide housing for wives and children of military men. Why not child care for single parents?

Basic childcare/day care, at great expense, is already provided. However long term care in case of deployment is the obligation of the service memeber and those requirements are quite clear. She has failed to mee those requirements.


This c*nt should be discharged with a loss of a benefits and be forced to pay back any bonuses she may have received.

Yes, that will surely get those recruitment rates up. Keep this kind of hard line policy and pretty soon we'll have nothing but gays in the military since at least they won't have any kids.

Not so the majority of those who enlist are stil unburdended with dependents and straight.


First term enlisted personnel should not be permitted to enlist with dependents, they should not be allowed to marry until they have reached a the pay grade of E-4 with 4 years service. In the case of both spouses being in the military and they have kids one spouse will have to leave the Service. It is only fair to the kids that one parent not be shipped of to a war zone and the ultimate test for service member to remain in the service is deployability.

This isn't 1850, or even 1950. Our military employs not only fighters, but thinkers. One of the biggest trend in more and more military operations is to remote as much as possible. Send the hardware to the front, keep the guys controlling the hardware back - where "back" can even be stateside.

It is not good for military moral or cohesion to have two sets of standards for personnel. They shoud all have to meet the same standards incldung deployability. Otherwise you end up having two militaries the real one that actual goes and fights the REMF one (Rear Echelon Mother Farkers). If you have group that does not need to deploy they can be replaced with civilian contractors or civil service which saves us money it the long run.


If a female service member gets pregnant , and it is not by rape, she should be discharged with a loss of all benefits. Pregnancy being by a large voluntary she has knowingly made herself unavailable to fulfill her oath of enlistment. While she off going to her doctor appointments, on light duty, maternity leave and non-deployable others end up carrying her share of the load and unlike the civilian world the military cannot simply hirer a temp.

If she wants to be a mommy let her get out of the service.


How about a male servicemean who knocks up some girl? Should he given the boot too? If I'm to follow your logic, this presumably made him "unavailable to fulfill his oath of enlistment". And all 100% voluntary on his part. Or does this not apply because caring for kids all women's work?

If being a daddy intferes with his deployability then so be it, kick him out. But like it our not men cannot get preganant. They do not become non-deployable due to preganancy, they do not go on light duty due to pergnancy . They do not miss work because of OB/GYN appoinments. More oftern than not is a male service memeber who ends up picking up the slack of the pregnant female one. Also since the courts are still screwing fathers over interms of custody it is likely tath we wil hav emore single moms than dads.

Now how about a little reality. Our military seeks out and actively recruits young men and women. Being young men and women, they are going to do what young men and women have been doing for millions of years: fark. Make all the rules against it you wish, but you are fighting mother nature here and you're going to lose. The Army markets itself not only as a way to pay for college but also as a career - and not a career where you must live as a celibate monk.

First off the military hands out condoms for free and most of these single females who get pregant are doing so deliberately to avoid deployment or even to get out of living in the barracks.
During the First Gulf War approximately 10,000 female military personnel had to be sent back due to preganancy- the equivlent of a Light Infnatry Division.
Nobody says that they cnnot ever marry during their career. But the first enlistment and even the first three years of and officers career are and should be spent learning a very demanding profession not dealing with the demands of parenthood or even marraige itself. After that first enlistment and have reached the pay grade of at least E-4, which would also coincide with starting to make enough money and become eligible for base housing, the want to have family then so be it as long as they stil remain deployable which stil means no kids for the female service memeber.


Think about what it cost us the taxpayers with a Female and 4 year enlistment. Approximately 3 months are basic trianing with another 3 months (+/- Depending on MOS)for for MOS training Then there is 30 days a year leave so out of a initial 48 months we have already have 10 months that the service member will be unavailble to meet the needs of the service. Then she gets pregnant. That another year when you add up the light duty and maternity leave not to mention having to take off to run her spawn to doctors appontment etc. So out of a 48 months enlisment she is only deployable maybe 26 months of that IF SHE DOES NOT GET PREGNANT AGAIN.

"Have sex and die." (new window)

Mykeru: cauth002: Mykeru: cauth002: I'm a Troll, yet you compulsively refresh your page with the hopes that I'll respond to you? Hmmm...

No. Sorry to let you down, but I care fark-all about whatever lame response a large economy-sized bag of crazy like you can dredge up. I'm checking this thread to see if folks like MilitaryTigger and bodyshots are still adding to the net Lulz™ of the universe at the expense of snark-bait such as yourself.

It's a big, big difference.

Sure you are.

Uh huh. This from the person who posted:

cauth002: Gosh...where is Mykeru??? Did he leave because he no longer has an audience by which to attempt to belittle people? Sad. I guess we'll meet up again in another thread. Until then, farewell my sweet prince...my sweet, testosterone-filled prince.

Welcome to my ignore list, troll.

pwhp_67: Ha ha ha!

I just love the "Family Values" and "Pro Life" bullshiat from the right that goes from pregnancy right up to... delivery. Then it's fark you and your child.

Education? No way.
Health Care? fark you.
In the military? Off you go and fark your kid.

Yeah, the right really gives two shiats about family...

You seem to be confused. The right believes in family values as does the left. The right though believes in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and at least pays lip service to it, the left believes that the only one responsible is society and you are just a hapless victim in it's grip. Anything that occurs to you is because of the gubment or SOME BAD "Right wing Conspiracy" and not because YOU are the dumbass.

Mykeru: I'm checking this thread to see if folks like MilitaryTigger and bodyshots are still adding to the net Lulz™ of the universe at the expense of snark-bait such as yourself.

Hmmm... never been acused of providing the Lulz before...

I've got this thread open in a minimized window while I work on 5 other documents, occasionally popping it up and hitting refresh, checking to see if any other idiot is trying to spread foolish false info... Having deployed over a dozen times myself and having seen stuff like this troop's goldbricking in person, It's caught my interest.

/Watching troll battle royals can be entertaining though

MilitaryTigger: Hmmm... never been acused of providing the Lulz before...

I like to think of it as Deploying The Lulz. Think of the humorless, slack-sucking bastards as the Nazis behind the Atlantic Wall. You are part of a crack regiment (read: bunch of dudes crapping their pants) in a Lulz Landing Craft approaching Omaha beach. Your LCVP (Lulz Craft, Vaudeville Personnel) grinds up on the sand, the ramp drops and your only choice is to give the humorless fascist non-fun sandy vaginas all the Lulz you've got, all at once, because there's no turning back, not without getting your ass completely wet and that chafes like a motherfarker.

It's just that epic.

MilitaryTigger: I've got this thread open in a minimized window while I work on 5 other documents, occasionally popping it up and hitting refresh, checking to see if any other idiot is trying to spread foolish false info... Having deployed over a dozen times myself and having seen stuff like this troop's goldbricking in person, It's caught my interest.

It takes exactly 30 seconds of Googling to see that personnel of the female persuasion getting stuffed with a flesh-loaf in the service is a major problem. Not only in terms of resources. Forget the money bottom line in lost training and logistics. Forget the accusations of misogyny for even bringing the subject up. When women get knocked up or have to place spawn in front of duty, someone has to step into their place and get put in harm's way. Usually it's some poor, predictably expendable male. Yeah, there's sexism in the whole issue, but to my way of looking, it's the sexism of assuming that because one has a penis, that one is more acceptable as cannon-fodder. I am absolutely lacking in amazement to note that many women decry sexism, except when it's the sort that leads to dead men. That's not just in the military. For all the talk of the "glass ceiling" few women want opportunities opened up to them in the "glass basement" of inherently dangerous occupations like mining and high steel construction. Of course, since much of what now passes for "feminism" (which as an Equity Feminist by way of Humanism myself, I need to put in irony quotes), is strictly the movement of white collar, middle class privileged white women, the plight of working class males is hardly an issue to them, as such men are nearly invisible, except when they are cast in the role of potential rapists.

MilitaryTigger: /Watching troll battle royals can be entertaining though

Yes, but trolls have a short shelf life and it's better to ignore list them before they start smelling a bit off. And many -- not mentioning any Fark handles -- begin to get that anchovy's anus smell right quick.

pickle65: Yes, she should have had a RELIABLE plan in place.

Yes, she should not have had a child while enlisted.

Yes, she might be irresponsible, or flat out trying to get out of going overseas.

Yes, she might be a total NASCAR/Octomom-type mom who has kids solely for the tax breaks and free ride.



However, none of that is the kids fault. It's a shiatty situation, but it's the one they're in now, and you gotta make the best of it, not fark up an innocent child in Georgia foster care just to teach the mom a lesson.

Let her out or give her a desk job and get the kid the fark out of dodge.

So if she was a civilian and broke a law that had jail time, even just can't afford bail till court date, we should just wave a pass flag "FOR THE KIDS".

She did not show for a troop movement and was officially AWOL. That sends her to the BRIG at least. No kids in the brig, like no kids in jail.

So if you screw up, if you are a single mom, you get a pass for the kids sake.

hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah
/lmoa

ham006: So if she was a civilian and broke a law that had jail time, even just can't afford bail till court date, we should just wave a pass flag "FOR THE KIDS".

She did not show for a troop movement and was officially AWOL. That sends her to the BRIG at least. No kids in the brig, like no kids in jail.

So if you screw up, if you are a single mom, you get a pass for the kids sake.

hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah
/lmoa

In other words: "Being a mother means never having to say you're sorry...for using your kid as a human shield like Martin Sheen in The Dead Zone".

Kazan: rat_brain_flies_plane: [uninformed opinion]

you don't get it do you?

call ahead? that's not how it works. some states (not sure if GA is one or not, i know Mississippi is) REQUIRE you to go IN PERSON to the clinic, force the doctor to give you a whole spiel (some of the information false), sign a document - then you cannot have the procedure for 24 hours after that.

just one of the large number of dirty tricks they're using to make it as hard as possible to exercise your rights. The woman in TFA might have been able to deal with that - a lot of women, particularly poor women, cannot.

It's a dirty trick to have to talk to a Dr about this MEDICAL procedure that could cost your life as well as that of an unborn child? A dirty trick to make you wait a WHOLE 24 hrs?

WTF, a conversation and waiting period is required for a gun that may NEVER even get test fired much less cost a "potential life".

ham006: WTF, a conversation and waiting period is required for a gun that may NEVER even get test fired much less cost a "potential life".

Don't drag gun rights into that silly argument... Most states require a conversation on the level of "Fill out this form" and a waiting period of however long it takes to run the customer through the instant background check search system... Usually less than 5 minutes. That is unless you have a Concealed Carry card, in which case you can skip that silliness and go straight to the cashier (you are already on record as a "safe" customer). Only in dipshait, backasswards, anti-gunowner rights states do you see any of the silliness like 3 day waiting periods.

That all said, the arguments over abortion really have relevence in the topic under discussion. The military never will place limits on troops liberties to procreate. It's flat unconstitutional to do so. Does this often cause problems? Yes. Is it bad for training, deployments, unit morale and budgets? Yes. Is there a way to fix this other than to bar women from military service? Sadly, No. We just have to muddle on and deal with it as best as possible, TRYING to make the system work a fairly as possible for everyone.

Why someone would have children at or under 25 and especially in the military is beyond me.

Britney Spear's Speculum: Why someone would have children at or under 25 and especially in the military is beyond me.

I know. It's like that movie Idiocracy. All the intelligent people wait until they have a career, money, patience, etc...there is never enough planning. By the time a lot of us are ready to procreate, the idiot down the street already has 5 kids. Thus the horrific cycle continues.

Not that people under 25 can't have a perfect relationship and career in which to spawn...but I don't know many.