To be fair, she signed up for the national guard

that is described as defending home
its named as defending home
all of the published advertizements are about guarding home

then they get deployed

sure they SHOULD know better
but they should quit with the deliberately dishonest marketing too

so it is FAIR for her to have a reasonable expectation (in civil law) of not being deployed

wish she had not gone AWOL... and that others could help with the crotchfruit

Juniper Jupiter: None of this would've happened if she had just gotten shot in the mouth like she was supposed to.

Or...




/There, are you happy now?

skantea: Screw the rules, the kid's going to have attachment issues for the rest of his life

She had the ability to stop that from happening (like for example, not volunteering)

She could have handled it better

"Screw the rules" is a slippery slope

"Screw the stupid rules" ? sure

"Soldiers who volunteer for service, have to sacrifice"... not so much

Sucks to be the kid, she should spend a decent chunk of her life making up to the kid for her farkup.

Funny, I don't see anyone in this thread volunteering to care for the child while her mother takes care of our duties.

skantea: Bull! No mother should EVER be separated from her child for the first 3 years, AT LEAST.

Don't you mean no child should be separated from its mother?

Could be an innocent error, or it could be Freudian slip evidence of my assumption that many women have children to fill their needs (read: agenda) not the child's.

Which is tragic, because those needs are exactly why annoying little yappy dogs were bred.

/Think of the Chihuahuas, won't you?

When are people going to learn not to serve the empire?

False advertisement that would get a private business in big trouble. A contract that is basically slavery (they own you for the duration of the contract which seems to be renewable for as long as they want). And then being sent off to the far reaches of the empire to do dangerous work that benefits those with the inside track in the political system while being hated by the local population.

Slartibartfaster: To be fair, she signed up for the national guard

that is described as defending home
its named as defending home
all of the published advertizements are about guarding home

then they get deployed

sure they SHOULD know better
but they should quit with the deliberately dishonest marketing too

so it is FAIR for her to have a reasonable expectation (in civil law) of not being deployed


From the front page of the Army National Guard page:

http://www.arng.army.mil/Pages/Default.aspx (new window)

ARNG Federal Mission
During peacetime each state National Guard answers to leadership in the 50 states, three territories and the District of Columbia. During national emergencies, however, the President reserves the right to mobilize the National Guard, putting them in federal duty status.

While federalized, the units answer to the Combatant Commander of the theatre in which they are operating and, ultimately, to the President.

Even when not federalized, the Army National Guard has a federal obligation (or mission.) That mission is to maintain properly trained and equipped units, available for prompt mobilization for war, national emergency, or as otherwise needed.

The Army National Guard is a partner with the Active Army and the Army Reserves in fulfilling the country's military needs.


That all said, what idiot nowadays enlists, even in the guard/reserves, without knowing full well they WILL be getting deployed?

Too bad she never watched this movie.



"THE ARMY AIN`T NO PLACE FOR A BLACK MAN"

SchlingFocker: mattharvest: When she hit a point - assume it happened honestly - where she would be unable to serve, she should have proactively requested that she be discharged accordingly.

Instead, she stayed on, knowing that if she were called up she would be unable to serve.

You're expecting people who have been taught from day zero in basic that there is no problem they can't overcome if they push hard enough to actually recognize their limitations?

but it's definitely not the army (or military in general) that should be monitoring its off-duty members for this sort of thing. The resources that would take (e.g. people checking up on you) would be absurd.

That's correct. That's why it's best to just avoid the problem altogether and not allow single parents to serve. The marginal benefit is not worth the time and effort involved in ensuring they are actually deployable.

Save that there are a large number of single parents that manage to deploy regularly and be good troops without significant difficulty. I suppose that because of my unit and the way we deployed was a little different, but we were looking at a minimum of at least 1 90 to 120 day deployment per year and sometimes up to 3. The command was pretty understanding and tried to work things out but only once was a person in my unit unable to go or trade out the deployment by about the week before. This was while we were supporting both Enduring and Iraqi Freedom. Command was understanding and he did go out with the next deployement 45 days later.

There is alot more going on than what was in the article.

leadmetal: When are people going to learn not to serve the empire?

False advertisement that would get a private business in big trouble. A contract that is basically slavery (they own you for the duration of the contract which seems to be renewable for as long as they want). And then being sent off to the far reaches of the empire to do dangerous work that benefits those with the inside track in the political system while being hated by the local population.

Meh... no emotion, bad facts/blatent falsehoods, oft repeated hippie sayings.
2/10

hariseldon:
I have no problem with women in the military but once they have a kid,
they should be immediately discharged.

treesloth:
A sure means of voluntary discharge would require that the military
put women into pointless, dead-end, replaceable tasks. Either real
military careers for women would be impossible, or the military would
have to severely downgrade its responsiveness.

I'm not suggesting that women receive a "get out of jail free" card
but I think a dishonorable discharge is going a bit too far.

It ought to be something in-between; all the financial penalties (such
as loss of pension, medical benefits, etc.) of a dishonorable discharge
without the legal ramifications.

Female officers on the other hand, ought to face a court martial if they
get knocked up.

This thread is more proof that members of the military are psychopathic and dangerous to society. You're all sick in the head and need to re-evaluate your lives... maybe with a glock.

One Love: This thread is more proof that members of the military are psychopathic and dangerous to society. You're all sick in the head and need to re-evaluate your lives... maybe with a glock.

dont worry man we love you despite all your hate for us

CurlyGirly: I do wonder what happened to the father. Does anyone think she could have been raped or he died? In which case it does make sense that she wouldn't have a perfect care plan...

He is probably married to some military mom making bucks as a surrogate.

I'm not 100% sure, but I could swear I've seen this picture before in an article involving a mom coming home from the war.

/could be wrong

My mom was deployed to Korea by the Air Force back in 88. She was in supply and well not many details from her on what she did there.

However she did make it a point to hand me over to my father at all of 4 years of age. A man I had not known of or seen since I was an infant. To fulfill her duty to the branch of the military she was in.

I got to spend a year with my dad whom actually set me on the path to being the nerd I am.

What I want to know is, where is daddy in this situation? My dad leaped at the chance to care for me even though he had not seen me in four years at that point.

Here's another article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_re_us/us_soldier_mom_deployment

"Hutchinson had such a plan - her mother, Angelique Hughes, had agreed to care for the boy. Hughes said Monday she kept the boy for about two weeks in October before deciding she couldn't keep him for a full year.

Hughes said she's already having to care for her ailing mother and sister, as well as a daughter with special needs. She also runs a daycare center at her home, keeping about 14 children during the day.

"This is an infant, and they require 24-hour care," Hughes said. "It was very, very stressful, just too much for me to deal with."

Hughes said she returned Kamani to his mother in Georgia a few days before her scheduled deployment Nov. 5."

How convenient....

She doesn't have any friends? Her mom can't bail on one of her multiple obligations to put her infant grandson to the front of the line? Does everyone hate this chick and her kid?

Life sucks, but she volunteered for this.

Mykeru: cauth002: Funny, I didn't think Fark was a women bashing site.

That's because it isn't a "woman bashing site". The "demotivation" poster that seems to have set you off was, I suspect, posted purely for The Lulz™. Although I didn't post it, I'm sorry that it set off a cascade of your unaddressed paralyzing insecurities and I hope after some years of therapy you can get over the post traumatic stress disorder it caused, so we can meet in a place of common ground and equality so I can tell you -- who just happens to be a female -- to go fark your stupid self without being accused of "woman bashing" simply because we 1. disagree and 2. you have a vagina.

cauth002: Maybe you should visit gagabuse or something similar. I think it was designed for people like you :-)

You have no idea what kind of person I am. However you imagine me to be, I'm actually even worse than that. Your tiny little mind simply cannot comprehend the depths of my depravity in service to the black art of the cheap laugh.

cauth002: Oh, and there's no way in hell I'm clicking that link.

Thus demonstrating that part of your problem is simply willful ignorance based on erroneous assumptions. You think that link was "bad"? No it wasn't simply because that wouldn't have been funny. The mere fact you think you were being tricked into visiting some shock site (or whatever you imagined) shows that this whole humor thing eludes you.

Which reminds me:

Q. How many women like you does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A. That's not funny!

/Yeah, I know, you didn't understand that last bit. However, most everyone else did. Maybe if you ask nicely, they'll explain it to you, slowly, using simple words, careful not to offend your tender sensibilities and without staring at your tits.

Awww, that's cute. You're the sterotypical poster who has nothing to add except the ol' "you're stupid" and " you're insecure" bullshiat. Made me laugh. All because I didn't like a poster bashing women (who subsequently explained himself). What did any of it have to do with you? Nothing. You merely responded because you're an attention whore. Congrats, I took the bait. Do you feel loved now? I hope so.

I didn't click on the link because I work for the government on a military base. How the eff was I supposed to know it was a Hello Kitty website? I guess I should have clicked on it so I could get fired and sit at home with my feet propped up in my poorly decorated dorm-room like you.

Humor eludes me? I was voted class clown. However, I have no sense of humor when it comes to degrading women. Same as some blacks have no sense of humor when it comes to slavery...or Jews have no sense of humor when it comes to the Holocaust. I'm sure it's not that unreasonable.

Your tiny little mind simply cannot comprehend the depths of my depravity in service to the black art of the cheap laugh.
: Actually, I'm a lawyer. I can assure you, I understand.

If you are a single parent or married mil-to-mil and have children you are REQUIRED to have a current family care plan on file. Even if she didn't prior, it would be part of her out-processing checklist in order to get her deployment orders. You can be deployed anytime with minimum notice, so it was very bad on her and her supervisors fault for not having a plan in order...

/Active Duty Air Force

Gamer Grrrl: Mykeru: Gamer Grrrl: Pregnancy is not voluntary.

Really?

/P.S. Just in case the subtext isn't clear: You're an idiot.

Lol, really. Some women, believe it or not, are against abortion. Some even think it's murder.

/OMG some anonymous guy on the other side of the internet called me an idiot! I'm going to go cry now!

Seriously...he's a troll. He seeks out people that do not agree with him and then rattles on and on about stupid they are. Kind of a stalker actually.

hariseldon: It ought to be something in-between; all the financial penalties (such
as loss of pension, medical benefits, etc.) of a dishonorable discharge
without the legal ramifications.

I suspect we agree on that. See my post of 2009-11-16 05:52:29 PM.

rohar: Funny, I don't see anyone in this thread volunteering to care for the child while her mother takes care of our duties.

I did. I found her lawyer's email address and sent her our contact information. If I can find her firm's phone number I'll call them tomorrow afternoon.

1. You can't be deployable without a family care plan. She or her supervisor lied and pencil-whipped one. It could be her fault or her first line supervisor's.

2. She probably just joined for the military welfare. So many people join non-combat jobs and soak up the benefits since they are too irresponsible to survive outside the greatest communist system ever invented: The US Military.

I served in a combat unit in Iraq. There really are two armies these days. So many soldiers are only a half-step away from living exactly like a civilian while others do the worst jobs imaginable in shiatty conditions. The culture shock going from one group to another is tremendous.

I like moms who want to take care of their kids. But I like people who keep their obligations more. No, the military should not be kinder and gentler on her. They're the goddamned army. She signed up to be sludge, they treat her like sludge, like everyone else. I hope they seek the maximum penalties as this woman makes every woman in the service look like garbage.

I do feel sorry for the kid, but mommy didn't love him enough to find proper caregivers. Someone should tell him its all mommy's fault.

/so, basically THIS to every post about the birth control. Its not hard. In case she was using it: Most women who get pregnant on BC are really using it incorrectly and doing so purposely and its time we stop this 'oops, but I was on the pill' bs. Personal responsibility women, lets have some.

Jeff73:

Calling you a priss is not 'women bashing.' It is 'cauth002 bashing.'
2. His link leads to a Hello Kitty website. I believe you would have survived the horror.

Not necessarily. I clicked on it and had to have a strong drink. The pink... it burns....

I've known two single mothers who joined the Army. They had to sign custody of thier child over to some one while they were in basic, but could regain custody after basic. I know another lady who became pregnant during her service contract. She was given the option of exiting the Army after the birth of the child, which she did. She was married and had at least another year left on her term.

cauth002: Awww, that's cute. You're the sterotypical poster who has nothing to add except the ol' "you're stupid" and " you're insecure" bullshiat.

You represent the dilemma of deciding if a poster is just a self-satisfied moron with selective attention doing an endless dance with their own strawman or, as some people think, a shameless troll who is overplaying her hand by pretending to be far more stupid than any human being could be without having been killed at Walmart in a freak automatic door accident.

Nogale: Not necessarily. I clicked on it and had to have a strong drink. The pink... it burns....

cauth002: Seriously...he's a troll. He seeks out people that do not agree with him and then rattles on and on about stupid they are. Kind of a stalker actually.

Congratulations, you've just deployed Michelle Bachman's "MSNBC is stalking me" defense. It's a really lame -- not to mention blatantly sexist -- attempt to write your own "get out of criticism free" card. What's it like to be in that sort of bat-poo crazy paranoid company?

Also, if you want to counter the people on this thread who claim women are not up to the demands of being in the military -- a claim I don't agree with anyway -- pulling this "damsel in distress" crap in the face of someone using sarcasm in a comment thread (as opposed, say, RPGs in a combat zone) is probably not the the most convincing tactic.

A real woman can stand her ground.

cauth002: I didn't click on the link because I work for the government on a military base. How the eff was I supposed to know it was a Hello Kitty website? I guess I should have clicked on it so I could get fired and sit at home with my feet propped up in my poorly decorated dorm-room like you.

Ignoring the rest of your post, just wanted to help out on this little bit, for you and others that never learned this lil bit o' internet skillz...

Hovering: Glide your cursor over a suspect link, but don't click. Now look down to the lower left of the window within which the link resides. There, you will see the web address which you will be directed to IF you click.

Here is a helpful Example (new window)


/It's why Rickrolls were so easy, no one would memorize the different youtube addresses

MilitaryTigger: Ignoring the rest of your post, just wanted to help out on this little bit, for you and others that never learned this lil bit o' internet skillz...

Dammit man, you can't give out that sort of testosterone-soaked geek information to a chick without first getting authorization from the central office the the Male Hegemony of Control and Oppression.

/Consider yourself on report, dude.

I'm thinking a lot of you didn't actually read the article...

It stated that her mom took the child, found she was unable to care for the infant after a week because of three other high-needs dependents (a woman likely in her 50's, so no spring chicken as it is.), returned her grandchild to her daughter and the single mom asked for an extension to make alternate arrangements all just before deployment because her arrangements broke down, was granted it and then days before her original deployment date was denied it and then arrested for not showing up for deployment.

... The grandmother had her grandson for a week in another state, he was flown out and back shortly before the deployment and everything.

And according to the lawyer, the mom still wants to be deployed, just as soon as she finds someone to take long-term care of her child. She didn't ask to be 'hardship' discharged, she asked for an extension to make suitable arrangements because the originals ones broke down and then she was denied the ability to do so and arrested for not leaving her child...

This isn't a case where she can leave her kid with a baby-sitter for a few hours, this is where she's leaving her child with someone for about a year... I dunno, she might need some time to find someone willing to do that in more than the scant week she had when denied an extension.

Sapper_Topo: ObscureNameHere: Oye, es dat yuu Mister 'arriot? Eye gut a wee seck caff Ah was 'opin yuu could 'ave a luk at.

I dont know what thats from but I read it as the old guy from So I Married an Ax Murderer and it make me LOL...

You are a Vet and you've never read/seen James Harriot's "All Creatures Great and Small"? Hie thee to a bookshoppe!

CyberSkirt: I'm thinking a lot of you didn't actually read the article...

Actually I've seen very little didn't read the article sort of stuff here... there has been a lot of here's the military policies, she was supposed to have [x], would have signed it, had a year's notice, backups, a chance to get out when she had the kid, etc. Those aren't in the article, but really the army looks out for this sort of thing, and there would have been many checkpoints and chances before this. It's not so much that they don't want to give her a chance - it's that she'd have had to lie multiple times to even be in this situation, and then she didn't deal with it.

CyberSkirt: I'm thinking a lot of you didn't actually read the article...

It stated that her mom took the child, found she was unable to care for the infant after a week because of three other high-needs dependents (a woman likely in her 50's, so no spring chicken as it is.), returned her grandchild to her daughter and the single mom asked for an extension to make alternate arrangements all just before deployment because her arrangements broke down, was granted it and then days before her original deployment date was denied it and then arrested for not showing up for deployment.

... The grandmother had her grandson for a week in another state, he was flown out and back shortly before the deployment and everything.

And according to the lawyer, the mom still wants to be deployed, just as soon as she finds someone to take long-term care of her child. She didn't ask to be 'hardship' discharged, she asked for an extension to make suitable arrangements because the originals ones broke down and then she was denied the ability to do so and arrested for not leaving her child...

This isn't a case where she can leave her kid with a baby-sitter for a few hours, this is where she's leaving her child with someone for about a year... I dunno, she might need some time to find someone willing to do that in more than the scant week she had when denied an extension.

I remember back when my parents made their wills, they considered the possibility that the person they chose to take care of sis and me wouldn't be able to do it, and specified someone else to take over in that case. And they were civilians.* Military folk during wartime should be thinking of their family care plan as they would a will.

*Well, Dad was a Marine. I would say "ex-Marine" but there's really no such thing. Once a Marine, always a Marine.

jst3p

That's wierd. There was a hot cheerleader in high school that I chased after for two years but she wouldn't give me the time of day. Then all of a sudden, the summer after we graduated, she showed up at my door and asked if I wanted to take her to a movie. We ended up doing it in the back seat of my dad's Mercedes. She was on the pill and I wore a rubber. We only did it that one time but then BAM turns out she was ALREADY pregnant. So I did the right thing and married her.

Fixed.

pntrbob: Barbecue Bob: Sounds like the problem is solved. The kid is in care. She can fly to war.

Just out of curiosity, what great achievements have women ever done in the military? Besides ploping out the little soldiers.

Just earn the Distinguished Flying Cross...that's all

I see that survival is an "achievement" now.

As an Active Duty S-1 Clerk, I'm really getting a kick out of most of these responses.

Sgt Otter already posted what I was going to point out, they have a nice clean Chapter 8 for Family Care Plan, there's no reason it should not have been initiated. They don't need her chain of command for it, the leadership on the Rear Detachment would take care of the paperwork, and she would be out no problem, not facing UCMJ.

The whole CPS thing, and being shipped to Afghanistan for her Courts Marshall seems unnecessary overkill and likely pumped up for outrage quota, because again, the Rear Detachment leadership could take care of that as well back in garrison.

To sum up:

Subby is a tard

Link was full of lies and distortions

the soldier in questions is a dirtbag trying to game the family care plan to avoid deployment. This is not news, but a common occurance, but for some reason her attorney managed to get a crappy article placed on a lot of military hating libtard sites.

No charges have been filed, but a spokesman for the Army post said commanders were investigating.

Kevin Larson, a spokesman for Hunter Army Airfield, said he didn't know what Hutchinson was told by her commanders, but he said the Army would not deploy a single parent who had nobody to care for his or her child.

No charges, no danger of her deploying without a vaolid family care plan.

Hutchinson's son, Kamani, was placed into custody overnight with a daycare provider on the Army post after she was arrested and jailed briefly, Larson said. Hutchinson's mother picked up the child a week ago and took him back to her home in California.

Kid not taken away, taken by CPS--merely at a daycare while she was being processed then released to her unit--which is what happens when you violate the UCMJ by deliberately missing movement.

Lets see, lets count the lies in the linked article..

"Hutchinson, of Oakland, California, is currently being confined at Hunter Army Airfield near Savannah, Georgia, after being arrested. Her son was placed into a county foster care system."
Lie.

"Hutchinson has been threatened with a court martial if she does not agree to deploy to Afghanistan on Sunday, Nov. 15."

Lie

"However, only a few days before Hutchinson's original deployment date, she was told by the Army she would not get the time extension after all, and would have to deploy, despite not having found anyone to care for her child.
Faced with this choice, Hutchinson chose not to show up for her plane to Afghanistan. The military arrested her and placed her child in the county foster care system."

Lie x2

"Currently, Hutchinson is scheduled to fly to Afghanistan on Sunday for a special court martial, where she then faces up to one year in jail."

Epic tard lie. They wouldn't fly someone to Afghanistan for a courts-martial.

Farkwaddle: Ah Fark...the only place I know of where the military and children are hated with equal ferocity. Put them in the same thread and it's nearly apocolyptic.

As a father and a member of a very heavily involved miltary family, the story as written, is sad and tragic. However, the first question that popped into my head as I was reading it was "Is this really a legit story?". There are WAY too many pieces of the puzzle missing here. Think I'll wait until the full story plays out before making an opinion.

Then why the hell did you post.

/will be waitning with baited breath until you have completed your in depth study of this matter and grace us with your MOST VALUED opinion.
//sarcasm meter check.

Actual fact: any single parent, or dual military couple has to have a valid family care plan, period--they dont just have to get one before deployment. It's a requirement to be in the military--if you have kids, you have to have a plan for someone to care for them as soon as you are on active duty.

In this case, just before her deployment, her mom suddenly realizes she cant take care of the kid.

Real World translation: momma is willing to lie to keep her precious crotchfruit from living up to her promise to serve her country. She gladly took the paycheck, but won't stand and serve once the time comes. she's a dirtbag who will b administratively seperated. Hopefulyl she'll get a Field Grade Article 15 at the least, busted to E-1, and removed. I hope they can work out a way to give her an administrative discharge for misconduct with a General discharge, so she can't get her GI bill and other benefits.

rohar: Funny, I don't see anyone in this thread volunteering to care for the child while her mother takes care of our her duties.

There. A little clearer for you?

I know why I don't. Because I hate children and I could give a shiat less about them.

Funny, I don't see anyone in this thread volunteering to come over and mow my lawn.

Gamer Grrrl: moshpitsoccermom: The military may not pay for abortions, but they do indeed pay for birth control pills.

Remember, it's only the woman's fault for getting pregnant! Whore!

Unless she is raped, Yes, Yes it is. Men have NO SAY OVER A WOMANS BODY. This is what we men are told from birth, so YES IT IS HER FAULT SHE GOT PREGNANT. IT IS HER FAULT SHE DIDN'T WORK OUT CARE ARRANGEMENT FOR THE CROTCH FRUIT.IT IS HER FAULT FOR NOT SHOWING UP FOR HER FLIGHT(with baby in tow).

CyberSkirt: I'm thinking a lot of you didn't actually read the article...

I'm thinking you didn't read all the posts or the above linked article.
Here it is again.
Link (new window)

facts

1. She had a valid FCP, the grandmother.
2. Granny backed out at the last minute saying it was "too much work/too hard/ I got other special needs dependents etc etc"
3. Granny runs a day care for 14 other kids in her home daily thus nullifying reasons quoted for not taking care of the kid.(granny is full of SHIAT)

So, mom and grandma failed to do what they said they would and signed up for. Hell, granny already had the kid in Cali with her and brought her to Ga. just before mom shipped out.

Who was caring for those special needs dependents while granny was in Ga?

The whole thing is a setup by mom and grandma to try to keep mom from deploying.

Granny signed up to care for the kid and if she can care for 14 other and other special needs persons, she can keep one more. OR boot one of the day care kids to make room for her own flesh and blood, whatever. Granny signed up and is more than capable of caring for the kid if she qualifies to run a day care.

Mom and grandma are in the wrong.
The kid is paying for their crimes/actions.

Besides, She was a cook. What the hell does she have to worry about? Why is she trying to get out of her obligations while combat troops aren't?
She's a coont.

/personal responsibility, they have none
//throw the book at 'em