Larger Than Marge: jst3p: Persnickety: How about a male servicemean who knocks up some girl? Should he given the boot too? I

Does it prevent him from deploying? If not it is not a valid comparison.

Well, it would if the mother were suddenly gone. He would be primary caregiver. And since it's possible that it could happen, he should not enlist. QED

Or perhaps he should go back in time and tell himself to not enlist 3 years before he procreated. Because this woman enlisted and then found herself unable to do her job after becoming a mom. She should get kicked out, not arrested and incarcerated.

On the one hand, without a proper family care plan, she can't deploy. On the other hand, the biatch missed movement. That's pretty much an automatic court martial. She knew what she was doing was illegal. Whether she did it for the right reasons or not is inconsequential.

crazytrpr: Gamer Grrrl: Polonius_In_Drag: I don't really give a damn about the woman or her motivations. It just sucks that a kid was put into the foster care system when its mother who presumably loves the kid more than anything wants only to be a mother to it. That's what is so sad.

/subby

I'm in the same boat. I don't care what her motivations are. But the Army is turning her kid into an orphan, and that's just wrong.

/yeah, I went there.

Maybe they should put her in front of a firing squad, throw in the kid for good measure

/deadly serious

WTF is wrong with you?!??

Shakespeare's Monkey: Here's another picture of the woman in question. They could have put a real picture of her in TFA, so why the fake?

Because you'd probably feel more sorry for the normal-looking, pretty white girl holding the boy/girl with golden locks.

/don't really know the reason
//seems like a legit reason

jynxyu: rat_brain_flies_plane: Because she went AWOL and failed to even show up for deployment instead of working with the chain of command.

TFA says nothing about being AWOL which is something very different to missing movement. You can miss a movement without being AWOL, just show up 10 minutes late for the (mode of transportation). TFA did state that she was promised time to correct her FCP problem, but fails to state why the command denied the time.

/reads article again

So she DID notify the chain of command!

It just says that she failed to show up for deployment.

I wonder if they intend to investigate why command changed their minds about the extension or if they already feel there was a valid reason for doing so?

How would things have turned out if she had shown up with her child in hand since she didn't have anyone to look after him?

Gamer Grrrl: Larger Than Marge: jst3p: Persnickety: How about a male servicemean who knocks up some girl? Should he given the boot too? I

Does it prevent him from deploying? If not it is not a valid comparison.

Well, it would if the mother were suddenly gone. He would be primary caregiver. And since it's possible that it could happen, he should not enlist. QED

Or perhaps he should go back in time and tell himself to not enlist 3 years before he procreated. Because this woman enlisted and then found herself unable to do her job after becoming a mom. She should get kicked out, not arrested and incarcerated.

While I am in the school of thought that she should go to jail for what she did, I recognize that that is not the best course of action, both PR-wise and family wise. Give her a courtmartial, give her the boot with at least an OTH discharge, but don't make her deploy or face jailtime.

farkreader007: HAIL TO THE LEGACY OF THE GEORGE W BUSH AND DICK CHENEY REGIME!!!!

You sir or madam, are a retard.

Kazan:
MaddyUnderstood
I hear what you're saying perfectly. I'm saying it was a pointless and nonconstructive statement that adds nothing to the discussion. If you want to explain how it adds anything to the discussion, by all means, do so.

i was just talking.

i dont need persecution for just saying something, do i?

/oh wait, "dr. control the thread" is here.
//rolls eyes.

hariseldon: I thought that when Obama got elected, shiat like this
was going to stop?

I have no problem with women in the military but once
they have a kid, they should be immediately discharged.

Look at this from the military's perspective. On the one hand, women in the military want (and largely deserve) the same respect given to men. They want highly-demanding, critical jobs-- that is, critical to the military's missions, and their absence would be detrimental. Now, take that group of essential personnel and give them what amounts to a voluntary discharge mechanism. Yes, pregnancy is non-trivial, but it's not as tough as some jobs in the military, and it is used as an out. So, they can either be allowed to have important, respected, promotion-promoting (wordplay!) assignments that are critical to the missions of the military, or they can have fluff, easily-replaced, non-critical assignments so that their rapid, unplanned exit from the military is not noticed. I don't see how they can have both. A sure means of voluntary discharge would require that the military put women into pointless, dead-end, replaceable tasks. Either real military careers for women would be impossible, or the military would have to severely downgrade its responsiveness.

Kazan:

/D&D 3.5, play it weekly with my wife, our married friends, and another friend. Current Party is Wizard (me), Arcane Heirophant (Wife), Human Cleric of Moradin (the other girl), Samurai (the other girls husband) and our DM

All my friends here went 4.0. I don't like it as much, but it's still RP and I'm not about to ditch a perfectly good group of friends. I do miss 3.5, though. I wrote 3 LG mods back around 2004. I love the amazing multiclass cheese you could come up wth in 3.5

she'd better get her Freedom loving butt into gear.

she's got to go overseas and fight for rich americans and their stuff.

also. the Pentagon needs to keep a war going for budget growth reasons.

no war can kill a Pentagon budget quick!

I'm not even sure about when policies originated that they start opening doors for single moms, but, you folks that are blaming the Obama administration are, in a word, retarded. This stuff was most certainly happening in the Bush administration. I'm not saying its the fault of the Bush administration; I just know 100% that this "single mom" thing was already playing out during that administration. Each branch handles recruiting its own way, but, the Army, for a few different reasons, acts the most desperate. On top of all that, the fact is that trying to weasel out of what you signed up for is pretty rampant in the military. And, predictably, it's worse among women. They do anything from feigning 'mystery' illnesses that are hard to prove or disprove to intentionally getting pregnant shortly before the deployment date to, well, you name it. On average women in the military, like women generally, want all the goodies without any of the sacrifice. If anyone is wondering what my credentials are, I was a Marine for 10 years, 97'-06', the last two years on recruiting duty, and I'm an avid reader of sex (some people say 'gender'), military, and political issues.

Gamer Grrrl: We're simply pointing out that most people fark for fark's sake, not to have kids.

Most people understand that farking is the leading cause of children.

This is just so messed up and lacking in details. Still trying to figure out how Grandma could take the time off to haul the kid back to GA but can't get any additional help at home to deal with all the relatives she is taking care of. Meh. You don't get to pick your family.

treesloth: hariseldon: I thought that when Obama got elected, shiat like this
was going to stop?

I have no problem with women in the military but once
they have a kid, they should be immediately discharged.

Look at this from the military's perspective. On the one hand, women in the military want (and largely deserve) the same respect given to men. They want highly-demanding, critical jobs-- that is, critical to the military's missions, and their absence would be detrimental. Now, take that group of essential personnel and give them what amounts to a voluntary discharge mechanism. Yes, pregnancy is non-trivial, but it's not as tough as some jobs in the military, and it is used as an out. So, they can either be allowed to have important, respected, promotion-promoting (wordplay!) assignments that are critical to the missions of the military, or they can have fluff, easily-replaced, non-critical assignments so that their rapid, unplanned exit from the military is not noticed. I don't see how they can have both. A sure means of voluntary discharge would require that the military put women into pointless, dead-end, replaceable tasks. Either real military careers for women would be impossible, or the military would have to severely downgrade its responsiveness.

Not to mention, the issue is that there is no spouse. This can and does happen to men in the military. It's not really a gender thing, it's a shiat Happens to Military Personnel and The Army Should Take Life Into Consideration thing.

Kazan: jst3p: ....

sorry your amusing image is lost on my due to WebSense.

Bummer, because it nails home the funny in my post.

(Image of two white parents with a very obviously Asian baby).

rat_brain_flies_plane: Gamer Grrrl: We're simply pointing out that most people fark for fark's sake, not to have kids.

Most people understand that farking is the leading cause of children.

That still doesn't mean accidental pregnancies don't happen.

/knows several accidents

boss_logga: If you have a child while in the military it becomes property of the military, the US government, and God. Whom will raise it properly and teach it to fight more and f*ck less.
GBA



yea, republicans love ya' while you're in the womb and when you're old enough to fight their imperialist wars.

otherwise, republicans could not care less about social programs or american citizens, unless they're rich.

republicans only love ya' when they can get something out of ya'.

Sticky Hands: Kazan: jst3p: ....

sorry your amusing image is lost on my due to WebSense.

White woman (I think, blonde hair at least not asian)
White man ( I think, could be Latino, or Italian, but I suppose Italians are white, and don't get the hairsplitters started on if Arabs are white not asian )
Asian baby (That part I'm pretty sure about)

FTFY.

you sounded too unsure.

/lolz.

Guess who does the dying and the fighting in the land of the "free"???

middle/working class americans.

you'll NEVER see the wealthy cocksuckers who own this Nation and its government send their mice off to fight for their country.

rich man's war
poor man's fight.

and they call this Nation a Democracy.

what a laugh.

Pxtl: Kazan: i have no idea where that picture comes from.

It's from the TV show Frasier. The character Roz was a promiscuous woman for whom birth control failed. Niles pointed out that they were X-really-high-percentage-effective, so failure was inevitable with her way-way-higher-usage as a means of putting her down. Also, in the '90s we got this thing called the Internet, and Bill Clinton was president.

phwew, that was close... For a moment there, I thought I really had stumbled onto something that's obscure on Fark. You've restored my faith.

Gamer Grrrl: WTF is wrong with you?!??

He has a disorder that forces him to troll, you darned enabler!

zarberg: All my friends here went 4.0. I don't like it as much, but it's still RP and I'm not about to ditch a perfectly good group of friends. I do miss 3.5, though. I wrote 3 LG mods back around 2004. I love the amazing multiclass cheese you could come up wth in 3.5

I can't believe I just read someone reminiscing on old versions of D&D and not mention 2nd Ed.

Best farking D&D ever.

I personally think Granny is a Meanie McMeanerson. She should MAKE IT WORK rather than watch her daughter get dragged through the coals. Just put the kid in garage with a cot and give it a few "Hungry Man" meals.

/jk

"OOOOBBBBAAAMMMMAAAAA!!!!!" you people need to get real, and stop crying about this shiat. Seriously. The miltiary policy for single parents, and deployment has been in effect for a long time(yes, even before the dem's had the white house) as for this broad, I'm sure there is more to it, than what we're being told, when i was in I saw things like this occasionaly, it's just like the worhtless E-6 who fails 5 PRT's in a row, and then QQ's about being unfairly seperated, when you sign the contract, you're accepting the terms of it, IT IS A CONTRACT, and the military will always try and work with you if you have problems, considering all the tax-dollars it costs to train service mebers, they are very interested in keeping there investment(s) ready and fit for duty. Basically, as they use to say when I was in, "take your midol, and gte the sand outta your clit" crybabies.

cauth002: I personally think Granny is a Meanie McMeanerson. She should MAKE IT WORK rather than watch her daughter get dragged through the coals.


That is what makes me think there is a lot more to the story and what we don't know likely would reduce sympathy for mom.

Earpj: DNRTA, but my husband HAS to have a family care plan in place before deployment. Why didn't anyone notice that she didn't have one? Or did they, since I DNRTA?

Dual military?

SchlingFocker: zarberg: All my friends here went 4.0. I don't like it as much, but it's still RP and I'm not about to ditch a perfectly good group of friends. I do miss 3.5, though. I wrote 3 LG mods back around 2004. I love the amazing multiclass cheese you could come up wth in 3.5

I can't believe I just read someone reminiscing on old versions of D&D and not mention 2nd Ed.

Best farking D&D ever.

is it sad that that version was before my time and now i have no one to play with?

Congratulations!! you just gave birth to a brand new bullet catcher in the future war we'll stick our crony capitalist snout into in 20 years.

because that is what the Owners of this Nation want: War.

their kids don't fight and die in War so why not??

its a real money maker for the Defense Contractors.

google Congressional Military Industrial Complex, the phrase Eisenhower used to describe the burnouts who always get US involved in an unnecessary war.

Sticky Hands: SchlingFocker: I can't believe I just read someone reminiscing on old versions of D&D and not mention 2nd Ed.

Best farking D&D ever.

Yes, yes it was.

WTF is wrong with BOTH OF YOU! 2e was the biggest piece of shiat RPG that ever existed. THAC0? Save versus Rod/Staff/Wand? Secondary Skills? Weapons Specialization? DIAF 2e!

/Oh wait, it's already dead. In that case, can we dine on its succulent flesh?
//I loved 2e before 3e came out
///Playtested 3e.

chemical_angel: CoughcoughVOLUNTARY SERVICEcoughcough.

lol Thread over in two.

beowulf980: is it sad that that version was before my time and now i have no one to play with?

Thanks to the internet, you can now play with yourself.

SchlingFocker: zarberg: All my friends here went 4.0. I don't like it as much, but it's still RP and I'm not about to ditch a perfectly good group of friends. I do miss 3.5, though. I wrote 3 LG mods back around 2004. I love the amazing multiclass cheese you could come up wth in 3.5

I can't believe I just read someone reminiscing on old versions of D&D and not mention 2nd Ed.

Best farking D&D ever.

There is only one D&D.

zarberg: beowulf980: is it sad that that version was before my time and now i have no one to play with?

Thanks to the internet, you can now play with yourself.

I think that was always an option.

Gamer Grrrl: I think that was always an option.

The only one for most males involved with D&D, generally me included.

Gamer Grrrl: zarberg: beowulf980: is it sad that that version was before my time and now i have no one to play with?

Thanks to the internet, you can now play with yourself.

I think that was always an option.

i cant play by myself who will get drunk with me and tell stupid stories then?

Sticky Hands: Gamer Grrrl: Sticky Hands: SchlingFocker: I can't believe I just read someone reminiscing on old versions of D&D and not mention 2nd Ed.

Best farking D&D ever.

Yes, yes it was.

WTF is wrong with BOTH OF YOU! 2e was the biggest piece of shiat RPG that ever existed. THAC0? Save versus Rod/Staff/Wand? Secondary Skills? Weapons Specialization? DIAF 2e!

/Oh wait, it's already dead. In that case, can we dine on its succulent flesh?
//I loved 2e before 3e came out
///Playtested 3e.

NOW we know that you be trolling.

LOL, 3e killed any chance of me playing 2e ever again. Like I said, I loved it before 3e, but I just can't play 2e anymore.

Gamer Grrrl: rat_brain_flies_plane: Gamer Grrrl: We're simply pointing out that most people fark for fark's sake, not to have kids.

Most people understand that farking is the leading cause of children.

That still doesn't mean accidental pregnancies don't happen.

/knows several accidents

Most of them are probably due to lack of birth control rather than colossal birth control failure.

Hopefully she'll be back with her kid soon, but it looks like they're pretty pissed off.

They can't simply cut her lose, otherwise everyone will be pulling this shiat and morale will go down for other families who have absolutely no choice but to deploy.

Hopefully they'll be discharging her and sending her back but at this point its not simply about her and her child. They have to take into account that no one wants to see their loved one go off to fight a war.

This shiats bigger than just one family.

And if love is love then a foster family is just as good as a biological family as long as they treat the child well.

It sounds like she has to be away from her child regardless to face the court marshal.

Her mother can't seem to muster it which is really vexxing so they placed the child with someone who is willing to care for him until she returns.

Its not the ruination of their family...

But it would be pretty screwed up if absolutely nothing had been done.

People have never seen their loved ones again after they've boarded those planes.

Gamer Grrrl: It's not really a gender thing, it's a shiat Happens to Military Personnel and The Army Should Take Life Into Consideration thing.

That can only go so far. The military is quite aware of all of that... they know all too well the effect of low morale. They try to help as much as possible-- after all, low morale reduces effectiveness. They still have to be ready for the mission, though.

In truth, I'm a little torn. I don't see how imprisoning the mom would improve the child's lot in life. On the other hand, becoming voluntarily unable to carry out deployment orders increases the burden on other members of the unit, and setting a "get pregnant, get discharged" precedent would be detrimental to the military's ability to do its job. On the third hand, a dishonorable discharge is no light thing... in many cases, it's like having a felony conviction on one's record, since felonious action is what usually causes it. There's also the Bad Conduct option... sort of a "dishonorable lite", as I understand it (but IANAJL). Such discharges would allow her to care for her child, but emphasize that this is not an action to take lightly, and that those that choose that course can expect life-altering consequences.