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(Some Guy)   Single Army mom arrested for not deploying to Afghanistan because she could find no one to care for her child. Child sent to CPS. With pic of what a deploying mother saying goodbye to her child might look like   (truthout.org) divider line 966
    More: Asinine, US Army Specialist Alexis Hutchinson, Afghanistan, foster care, Child Protective Services, U.S. Army, special needs, single mothers, Angelique Hughes  
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2009-11-16 02:11:07 PM  
FredaDeStilleto: sepuku2: This is what Hardship Discharges are for......

Same thing I thought.

Seems as if the Army mom doesn't come from a large family and the only person available is unable to care for the child. A kid isn't a pet; you just can't drop it off and hope for the best.


Maybe if you are a single mother you shouldn't enlist in the Army? Just a thought, of course she didn't think of that did she?
 
2009-11-16 02:11:20 PM  
Im so confused about this thread. Is this the "blame bush" thread, the "her own damn fault she is lying to get out of it" thread, the "pro abortion" thread, the "if we didn't have war this wouldn't be a problem thread or what? I need to know how to angle my pointless observations in order to get the maximum replies.

I was going to tell the story of the blond army bombshell and the sexual escapades but I just dont know now.

I can at least tell you the end of the story....It wasn't mine.

The start of the story is better....I had it on but she ripped it off.

/hermano historia increíble
 
2009-11-16 02:11:31 PM  
Throat Danger: Question for those in the know:

If you are single and become pregnant while in the military, what are your options?


Actually having the kid?

1. Pregnancy Discharge
2. Stay in, have the kid
....a) Set up a valid family care plan for when you deploy. Have a normal career like any other soldier.
....b) Show your commander you cannot find a qualified guardian, and do not have a valid FCP. Get discharged, for Lack of a Family Care Plan.
 
2009-11-16 02:11:52 PM  
Throat Danger: Question for those in the know:

If you are single and become pregnant while in the military, what are your options?


What are the options for a civilian?

You have the child
You abort it
You offer it for adoption

Now, to the military career...
Keeping the baby will require a family care plan. Normally, you're given a set amount of time to prepare and submit it to your commander. Be prepared to use it.
 
2009-11-16 02:11:55 PM  
Daffydil: Well I dunno...has he showered lately?

Certainly.

Waitaminnite. Who's "he"?
 
2009-11-16 02:12:08 PM  
cowsspinach:

This. As a very hot brown girl I agree with the statemented posted above.


you forgot something, i added it in.

have a nice day!
 
2009-11-16 02:12:29 PM  
But let's not muddy the waters by questioning the wisdom of allowing women to serve active combat duty.
 
2009-11-16 02:12:43 PM  
She should have NEVER signed up. Tough sh*t for her and the child!
 
2009-11-16 02:13:11 PM  
adp1215: jst3p
adp1215: Help me out here kids....

THIS =

This.

Thanks, that was helpful, it was really the answer I was expecting anyway


"This" is the fark equivilant of the Rush Limbaugh ditto head. Neither has original thoughts but they like to say something so everyone knows they agree with the herd.
 
2009-11-16 02:13:15 PM  
Throat Danger: Question for those in the know:

If you are single and become pregnant while in the military, what are your options?


Get farked twice, looks like.
 
2009-11-16 02:13:41 PM  
SchlingFocker: NewportBarGuy: Just separate her from service. It sounds like she never should have signed up anyway. The Army really needs to learn how to handle these cases before they hit the news. Yeah, that'll happen.

Agreed. I have never understood why the Army allows single parents to enlist or remain in service.


ROFLOLOLAMO!MHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you're funny!

seriously? perhaps you are confusing the US Army with the Salvation Army...you act as if the Army is some sort of a caring, thoughtful entity whose primary mission is the absolute welfare of it's volunteer force.

NO! the Army is and always have been for a single purpose. To fight and defend using absolute force by any means necessary. Everything else is secondary to that primary mission even your own kids, your spouse etc... if you cherish a good family life or if you don't intend on causing harm to others I suggest you do not JOIN the Army...or Marines, Air Force etc...
 
2009-11-16 02:13:46 PM  
Where is the child's father, and the other grandparents? Why can't they take care of the child?
 
2009-11-16 02:13:51 PM  
Sgt Otter: Throat Danger: Question for those in the know:

If you are single and become pregnant while in the military, what are your options?

Actually having the kid?

1. Pregnancy Discharge
2. Stay in, have the kid
....a) Set up a valid family care plan for when you deploy. Have a normal career like any other soldier.
....b) Show your commander you cannot find a qualified guardian, and do not have a valid FCP. Get discharged, for Lack of a Family Care Plan.


You forgot:

c) Set up a crappy family care plan, and your crappy commander overlooks its crappiness in order to make his numbers look not so crappy
 
2009-11-16 02:14:17 PM  
Farkwaddle: jst3p: Farkwaddle: Sobering moment here:

Just had 3 DoD notices of identified casualties come across my desk. 1 Army 2 Marines.

Lance Cpl. Shawn P. Hefner, 22, of Hico, Texas - KIA in Iraq
Staff Sgt. Stephen L. Murphy, 36, of Jaffery, N.H. - KIA in Iraq
Spc. Christopher J. Coffland, 43 - KIA in Afghanistan

Try to keep the snark to a minimum for these guys.

Because nothing reduces snark like posting detailed information to fark.

Notice of public release moron. They don't let these notices go out until the family has been notified and agreed to release the information.


And your point in posting them here?

One of them was from Texas, so not a big loss. Murphy was probably a drunk.
 
2009-11-16 02:14:35 PM  
I think the war is a waste but the woman is in a situation where she signed up to fight in this thing, it's not a draft situation.
 
2009-11-16 02:14:39 PM  
Ha ha ha!

I just love the "Family Values" and "Pro Life" bullshiat from the right that goes from pregnancy right up to... delivery. Then it's fark you and your child.

Education? No way.
Health Care? fark you.
In the military? Off you go and fark your kid.

Yeah, the right really gives two shiats about family...
 
2009-11-16 02:15:01 PM  
is the army trying to make Fort Hood a regular thing now? they told her she would have extra time to make arraingments then threw the kid in foster care, and the next step is they are giving her an automatic weapon.

gee nothing bad can happen now.
 
2009-11-16 02:15:08 PM  
Farkwaddle: jst3p: Notice of public release moron. They don't let these notices go out until the family has been notified and agreed to release the information.

hey, hey...you're both in my rainbow, so not allowed to pick on one another...

HAMMERTOE: Waitaminnite. Who's "he"?

Lucky? My brother-in-law? Oh jeez! Thanks for the confusion! :)

/oh and on topic:
//maybe she'll be shot in the head and there will be no need for further worry...yeah that's it...
 
2009-11-16 02:15:24 PM  
Daffydil: CBR ME ASAP: Agreed, I think that the larger issue is whether or not she is using the kid as an excuse to shirk the duties she signed up for. Obviously we can't tell from the facts in the article, which is obviously written with significant input from the woman's attorney. Hmmmm...makes you wonder if any pertinent details may have been left out. Not that a lawyer would be misleading or untruthful....

Right, but the child can't help the fact he has an idiot for a mom...let's not take it out on him...


If she's that much of an idiot, maybe he's better off in protective custody.
 
2009-11-16 02:15:59 PM  
TheRedMonkey: Gamer Grrrl: Maybe that's what happened to the woman in TFA? Nah, couldn't be. She obviously just let some dude ride her bareback all night long.

If he wore a condom and she was on the pill then there would be no issue.

I default to the more likely scenario of unprotected sex.


LOL, really?!?!?

Nobody have sex with this dude, because he thinks condoms are failsafe.

Kazan: georgia is also one of the states that does everything in their power to make your right to get an unabortion basically inpossible to practice by putting up barriers - like you have to go to the clinic two days in a row, when the nearest clinic is 4 hour drive away, etc.

That's what I was implying, but of course Fark is full of people who can't read between the lines.

CBR ME ASAP: Or maybe this woman has been being a pain in the ass and has tried over and over to shirk her duties. We just don't know. Maybe she is the one being dickish.

The Army put the kid in protective custody. It didn't have to do that, it chose to do that. The Army is the one being the dick, and they're farking with a kid to do it.
 
2009-11-16 02:16:44 PM  
SuperNinjaToad: NO! the Army is and always have been for a single purpose. To fight and defend using absolute force by any means necessary.

Single parents make it harder for the military to accomplish its goals.

That's why I don't understand why the Army chooses to keep them.

/13 years in
 
2009-11-16 02:17:09 PM  
CBR ME ASAP: If she's that much of an idiot, maybe he's better off in protective custody.

true dat...so we're done here?
 
2009-11-16 02:17:26 PM  
zarberg:
Also, the word "whore" is one of my biggest pet peeves. It's a word men use almost exclusively to control women. A woman sleeps with too many guys? She's a whore.


newer usage i've personally used myself, and all my friends use

whore: girl who sleeps with lots of guys WITH NO STANDARDS OR CARE FOR PERSONAL SAFETY*
man whore: guy who sleeps with lots of girls WITH NO STANDARDS OR CARE FOR PERSONAL SAFETY*

stud: guy gets lots of action, safely
????: girl who gets lots of action, safely. we really don't have a word - because guys are easy - no need to congratulate girls for conquering guys who surrender immediately... there needs to be a word "she is such a , I wish I was half the Stud that she is a ".

/*including diseases and against producing crotchfruit
//cool story, bro?
 
2009-11-16 02:18:04 PM  
SchlingFocker: Sgt Otter: Throat Danger: Question for those in the know:

If you are single and become pregnant while in the military, what are your options?

Actually having the kid?

1. Pregnancy Discharge
2. Stay in, have the kid
....a) Set up a valid family care plan for when you deploy. Have a normal career like any other soldier.
....b) Show your commander you cannot find a qualified guardian, and do not have a valid FCP. Get discharged, for Lack of a Family Care Plan.

You forgot:

c) Set up a crappy family care plan, and your crappy commander overlooks its crappiness in order to make his numbers look not so crappy


Quick question, how is it her commander's fault? Unless he calls the person on her FCP he has to believe it is valid. The only way the he/she wouldn't know is when deployment time happens.
 
2009-11-16 02:18:20 PM  
Voluntary Service--You knew what the rules were when you joined--STFU
That is all
 
2009-11-16 02:19:31 PM  
Kazan: zarberg:
Also, the word "whore" is one of my biggest pet peeves. It's a word men use almost exclusively to control women. A woman sleeps with too many guys? She's a whore.

newer usage i've personally used myself, and all my friends use

whore: girl who sleeps with lots of guys WITH NO STANDARDS OR CARE FOR PERSONAL SAFETY*
man whore: guy who sleeps with lots of girls WITH NO STANDARDS OR CARE FOR PERSONAL SAFETY*

stud: guy gets lots of action, safely
????: girl who gets lots of action, safely. we really don't have a word - because guys are easy - no need to congratulate girls for conquering guys who surrender immediately... there needs to be a word "she is such a , I wish I was half the Stud that she is a ".

/*including diseases and against producing crotchfruit
//cool story, bro?


???? = Fluffer/Pornstar/Stripper
 
2009-11-16 02:20:16 PM  
Kazan: zarberg:
Also, the word "whore" is one of my biggest pet peeves. It's a word men use almost exclusively to control women. A woman sleeps with too many guys? She's a whore.

newer usage i've personally used myself, and all my friends use

whore: girl who sleeps with lots of guys WITH NO STANDARDS OR CARE FOR PERSONAL SAFETY*
man whore: guy who sleeps with lots of girls WITH NO STANDARDS OR CARE FOR PERSONAL SAFETY*

stud: guy gets lots of action, safely
????: girl who gets lots of action, safely. we really don't have a word - because guys are easy - no need to congratulate girls for conquering guys who surrender immediately... there needs to be a word "she is such a , I wish I was half the Stud that she is a ".

/*including diseases and against producing crotchfruit
//cool story, bro?


Playstation? Fun for all...
 
2009-11-16 02:20:36 PM  
Heh. This is why I dislike the military. Just like any job, there should be an option to resign. Never would I sign over my life to the government or military. My life is my life, not theirs.
 
2009-11-16 02:21:19 PM  
Daffydil: hey, hey...you're both in my rainbow, so not allowed to pick on one another...


I will back off, for you.
 
2009-11-16 02:21:28 PM  
Throat Danger: Question for those in the know:

If you are single and become pregnant while in the military, what are your options?


www.big-baseball.com
 
2009-11-16 02:21:31 PM  
I'm just surprised that none of the wives of men in her unit offered to take the kid. Grandma actually got started as a foster parent by taking care of one of my grandfather's buddies' kids while they were in Korea. The buddy's wife died suddenly and Grandma just took home three extra kids to go with her own four. It was rough, but she managed, and after her own were in high school, she took on some more fosters.

All told, I have some twenty-five aunts and uncles from that side, three of whom are actually related, as well as two 'cousins' whom Grandma took in after I was born. And two of them are younger than me. I consider her somewhat better than the Quiverfull folks in that she took in kids who needed homes. If one of her extended brood were in a unit with the soldier in TFA (and there are a shiat-ton of us,) Grandma would make arrangements for the kid.

Draft some grandmas to run a Military Children's Home. It'll work.
 
2009-11-16 02:21:42 PM  
Yes, she should have had a RELIABLE plan in place.

Yes, she should not have had a child while enlisted.

Yes, she might be irresponsible, or flat out trying to get out of going overseas.

Yes, she might be a total NASCAR/Octomom-type mom who has kids solely for the tax breaks and free ride.



However, none of that is the kids fault. It's a shiatty situation, but it's the one they're in now, and you gotta make the best of it, not fark up an innocent child in Georgia foster care just to teach the mom a lesson.

Let her out or give her a desk job and get the kid the fark out of dodge.
 
2009-11-16 02:21:45 PM  
Assuming she was at Ft. Stewart when she conceived and downloaded, nearest legal abortion provider would be in Jacksonville, 100 miles south.

Only legal abortion provider in currently in Georgia is in Atlanta (about 2 miles from my house

WRONG. there is one or two clinics in Savannah, and they are perfectly legal. Next time you try to use the yellow pages to look this stuff up, try not to look in a for abortion or b for baby killers. not that it matters, as it says shes being held at hunters, which is were most deployments leave from.

the lady had options, even options involving keeping the kid. im willing to bet she lied about her moms commmitments on her fcp so that she would be allowed to serve/continue to serve and gain benifits. she lied and got caught, got farked, and now will have to deal with it. the end. and the military is right in this and single parents make some of the finest soldiers youll meet, as long as they firmly grasp what they have to do, their no different from the rest of us.
 
2009-11-16 02:22:32 PM  
OBBN: Maybe if you are a single mother you shouldn't enlist in the Army? Just a thought, of course she didn't think of that did she?

The Army doesn't allow single parents to enlist. Bet you didn't think of that, did you?
 
2009-11-16 02:23:04 PM  
FreudulentSplit: Sapper_Topo: Back some years ago they started letting females into our battallions in support roles. When we were given warning that we would be deploying to Bosnia about half ended up pregnant and thusly nondeployable... Not that its still a problem these days but damn!

/Cool story Bro?

Not unless you were the cause of at least 1/2 of those pregnancies and you go into detail. Then maybe cool story, bro.


Have you seen some of the women in the US Army?! GAHH there is a reason when you go to Korea they call them "Queen for a year" For the most part think Magilla Gorilla mixed with Roseann Barr...
 
2009-11-16 02:23:16 PM  
jst3p: I will back off, for you.

you love me, you love me...now hand over that beer...

hamachan: Heh. This is why I dislike the military. Just like any job, there should be an option to resign. Never would I sign over my life to the government or military. My life is my life, not theirs.

meh! wrong! You're life is the governments...you'll do as your told! I'll take your beer too now...
 
2009-11-16 02:23:30 PM  
feickus: Quick question, how is it her commander's fault? Unless he calls the person on her FCP he has to believe it is valid. The only way the he/she wouldn't know is when deployment time happens.

Care plans need to be pretty specific.

If she submitted an truthful care plan, it would state that she would be leaving her child with her mother who is already caring for HER aging and ill mother and her ill sister.

An honest commander would say, "This is not a valid care plan. Find someone who can actually care for this kid."

A less-than-honest commander would say, "Yup, looks good. Carry on, SPC." They'd then update their roster to show one additional deployable soldier.
 
2009-11-16 02:23:54 PM  
www.docleaf.com
 
2009-11-16 02:24:02 PM  
pntrbob: Barbecue Bob: Sounds like the problem is solved. The kid is in care. She can fly to war.

Just out of curiosity, what great achievements have women ever done in the military? Besides ploping out the little soldiers.

Just earn the Distinguished Flying Cross...that's all



I might also add:

gardenofthewitch.files.wordpress.comJoan d'arc

www.ctie.monash.edu.au
Lt. Lilya Litvik, one of many WW2 Soviet female fighter pilots. An ace with 12 confirmed kills.

There were several women who fought in the American Revolution and the Civil war as well.
 
2009-11-16 02:24:23 PM  
Kazan: newer usage i've personally used myself, and all my friends use

whore: girl who sleeps with lots of guys WITH NO STANDARDS OR CARE FOR PERSONAL SAFETY*
man whore: guy who sleeps with lots of girls WITH NO STANDARDS OR CARE FOR PERSONAL SAFETY*

stud: guy gets lots of action, safely
????: girl who gets lots of action, safely. we really don't have a word - because guys are easy - no need to congratulate girls for conquering guys who surrender immediately... there needs to be a word "she is such a , I wish I was half the Stud that she is a



I call your ???? a girl I'd really like to meet and be friends with.
 
2009-11-16 02:25:14 PM  
This ranks right up there with people who are suddenly Conscientious Objectors when they are required to do their jobs. It is the military. What the Fark do you think - you'll be exempt from fighting? That's what you do - that's what you are in the military for. Sux to be your kid - but how is this suddenly someone else's problem? I hope they court martial her ass.
 
2009-11-16 02:25:34 PM  
Maybe she should've considered a career compatible with being a single-mother. Clearly rocket scientist or brain surgeon would've been out of the question for this dumbass.
 
2009-11-16 02:26:21 PM  
Quantumbunny Quote 2009-11-16 02:06:20 PM
upright_apes_r_us: Quantumbunny


If mommy signed up for the Army without considering plans for her child (Or if we take her fully at her word, and she had the kid after signing up, and in 4 years couldn't find someone to watch the child...) why are you assuming she's what's best for the child? Maybe the little girl is better off without mommy and missing daddy.

Why do you think that argument has any merit?
Not a single word above shows she is a unfit parent.
Foster care however has a known bad track history.

But clearly an unwed single mommy who signed up with the Army to get benefits and then tried to dodge duty is the soft of person who is fit to raise children, right?

Lets assume everyone of your assumptions and claims are true for a minute.
The answer is still it does not show how she cared for the child so it is a baloney argument. Now if you had said she beat the child or such you might have some creditability in your hypothetical argument.
How do you know she did not make plans that depended on cooperation from others in a bad job market and years later the other person could not meet the agreement when it came time. Even that claim does not have squat to do with her parenting anyway.
They didn't put the child in foster care because she was a bad parent, they arrested her. They could have confined her to base which would have been akin to house arrest.
After you wipe your nose a few more times and age a bit it will come to you in time. Or you are just posting crap to troll. Which ever, have a good day.
 
2009-11-16 02:26:34 PM  
eggrolls: There were several women who fought in the American Revolution and the Civil war as well.

Deborah Sampson (new window) was one of the most famous. Pretty nifty story, too.
 
2009-11-16 02:26:50 PM  
Daffydil:
you love me, you love me...now hand over that beer...


Gonna be hard to get a beer outta me.

/I'll buy if need be
//GIVE ME WHISKEY
 
2009-11-16 02:27:13 PM  
Gamer Grrrl: TheRedMonkey: Gamer Grrrl: Maybe that's what happened to the woman in TFA? Nah, couldn't be. She obviously just let some dude ride her bareback all night long.

If he wore a condom and she was on the pill then there would be no issue.

I default to the more likely scenario of unprotected sex.

LOL, really?!?!?

Nobody have sex with this dude, because he thinks condoms are failsafe.


Yes, because he didn't also bring the pill into the equation.

Kazan: georgia is also one of the states that does everything in their power to make your right to get an unabortion basically inpossible to practice by putting up barriers - like you have to go to the clinic two days in a row, when the nearest clinic is 4 hour drive away, etc.

That's what I was implying, but of course Fark is full of people who can't read between the lines.


It's called an automobile.

It's also called getting granted leave.

It could also be called a weekend.

Other things to consider are the ability to use a telephone and to actually take the time to PLAN things ahead of time and evaluate your options.... Oh wait...

CBR ME ASAP: Or maybe this woman has been being a pain in the ass and has tried over and over to shirk her duties. We just don't know. Maybe she is the one being dickish.

The Army put the kid in protective custody. It didn't have to do that, it chose to do that. The Army is the one being the dick, and they're farking with a kid to do it.


The mother was the one who apparently decided to try to game the system. They're about to ship her overseas and they don't want her to take her kid and vanish.

It's unfortunate, but most likely temporary. She couldn't find someone to care for her child while she took care of her business...

People want to know why the military didn't do it for her...

Well... it looks like they just did.
 
2009-11-16 02:28:21 PM  
She should be arrested for falsely enlisting.

Part of enlisting is agreeing to deploy, and ensuring you will be able to for the duration of your enlistment.

So she was collecting the paycheck and benefits... and didn't plan to deploy.

That's called fraud ladies and gentleman. Clear and simple.


Throat Danger: If you are single and become pregnant while in the military, what are your options?

It's your responsibility to be ready to deploy. This in itself is a failure. She accepted military employment on this condition. She violated it.


I hate when people break the rules, and then believe it shouldn't apply to them because they are a precious snowflake and exempt from laws and rules of society.

This is black and white. There isn't any gray area here. She agreed to one thing, and did another.
 
2009-11-16 02:28:27 PM  
Where is her sperm donor during all this?
 
2009-11-16 02:28:52 PM  
adp1215: Help me out here kids....

THIS =


Me.
 
2009-11-16 02:30:04 PM  
SchlingFocker: feickus: Quick question, how is it her commander's fault? Unless he calls the person on her FCP he has to believe it is valid. The only way the he/she wouldn't know is when deployment time happens.

Care plans need to be pretty specific.

If she submitted an truthful care plan, it would state that she would be leaving her child with her mother who is already caring for HER aging and ill mother and her ill sister.

An honest commander would say, "This is not a valid care plan. Find someone who can actually care for this kid."

A less-than-honest commander would say, "Yup, looks good. Carry on, SPC." They'd then update their roster to show one additional deployable soldier.


I don't know what the Army's FCP looks like but here is the Air Force's. Link (new window)

Nothing about extenuating circumstances. It does have a section for an alternate caregiver.
 
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