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2009-11-16 12:05:09 AM  
Ah, Blue Dogs. What would this country do without you?
 
2009-11-16 12:13:00 AM  

Mentat: Ah, Blue Dogs powerful campaign donors. What would this country politicians seeking re-election do without you?


FTFY.
 
2009-11-16 12:18:14 AM  
ah, i see my own d-bag congressman is among them. here's to you, lee terry, you epic loser of a politician! jim esch almost beat you last year with a campaign that fred thompson would call lazy. i think you may actually be in trouble in '10.
 
2009-11-16 12:25:52 AM  
You assume, subby, that they have the capacity to feel shame.
 
2009-11-16 12:52:10 AM  
Farking idiots, the lot of them.
 
2009-11-16 01:24:49 AM  
It's a darn shame that we've allowed lobbyists to exist at all and we'll probably never know fully how much damage has been done by them to things which could have benefited us tax payers considerably.

A single lobbyist is responsible for making pot illegal, at the paid request of one of the biggest newspaper barons in the US, who saw the plant as a danger to the profits of his many wood pulp mills. Pot plants or hemp, could produce paper faster and cheaper than cutting down hundreds of acres of forest. The lobbyist had no opinion about pot either way, but started the scare tactics and lies which led to it's being made illegal and who was considered the most powerful lobbyist of the time.

There have been several attempts made over the decades to stop lobbyists, but all have failed because Congress likes its bribes and 'gifts'.

Consider how much better we'd be now had automobile lobbyists not been able to undermine the laws created in the 70s for high mileage cars or to prevent SUVs from being classified as a light truck -- which freed it from mandatory pollution and gas consumption restrictions.

It chaps my arse that wealthy corporations and folks can pay people to influence congressmen to change programs, bills or laws in their favor, ignoring the needs of the public, for whom congress is supposed to be actually working for.

The RIAA would not have been able to become such a pain in the arse over downloads had it not had an army of lobbyists. See, before computers there were tape recorders. Kids recorded music from radios, records and each other all of the time and swapped tapes among themselves. Kids made their own 'albums' of assorted songs they liked. The recording industry couldn't do anything about it.

Now, with lobbyists, they have been able to undermine the privacy laws most ISPs operated on, forcing them to not only give up their customer files, but to allow them access to all of their web activity. Lobbyists also have managed to block the majority of the efforts to prevent stupid and frivolous lawsuits or to stop the deliberate dragging out of cases, forcing folks to run out of money and settle for much less than they have a right to or businesses to pay out even if they are in the right to avoid enormous legal costs proving so.

Lobbyists help cripple NASA and delay our getting into deep space by probably 200 years, in their efforts to get chunks of the previously enormous budget taken away and given to special interest groups. NASA nearly went bankrupt. Had the lobbyists not gotten in the way, chances are we'd have a real moon base by now and actually have had a crew on Mars and be benefiting from all of the technology and discoveries that would have come about.

Lobbyists have done enormous damage to our nation on behalf of whoever pays them and congress itself refuses to make them illegal.
 
2009-11-16 02:07:23 AM  
I'd call them whores, but I have a lot more respect for working girls than these schmucks. They've betrayed everyone who ever voted for them.
 
2009-11-16 02:15:37 AM  

Obnox: I'd call them whores, but I have a lot more respect for working girls than these schmucks. They've betrayed everyone who ever voted for them.


And you know what? we'll never fire them. Never. Because the voters of this country, despite all evidence to the contrary, firmly believe that THEIR rat bastard politician isn't corrupt...its the OTHER guy(s) that are the problem.
 
2009-11-16 02:21:48 AM  

Rik01: It's a darn shame that we've allowed lobbyists to exist at all and we'll probably never know fully how much damage has been done by them to things which could have benefited us tax payers considerably.

A single lobbyist is responsible for making pot illegal, at the paid request of one of the biggest newspaper barons in the US, who saw the plant as a danger to the profits of his many wood pulp mills. Pot plants or hemp, could produce paper faster and cheaper than cutting down hundreds of acres of forest. The lobbyist had no opinion about pot either way, but started the scare tactics and lies which led to it's being made illegal and who was considered the most powerful lobbyist of the time.

There have been several attempts made over the decades to stop lobbyists, but all have failed because Congress likes its bribes and 'gifts'.

Consider how much better we'd be now had automobile lobbyists not been able to undermine the laws created in the 70s for high mileage cars or to prevent SUVs from being classified as a light truck -- which freed it from mandatory pollution and gas consumption restrictions.

It chaps my arse that wealthy corporations and folks can pay people to influence congressmen to change programs, bills or laws in their favor, ignoring the needs of the public, for whom congress is supposed to be actually working for.

The RIAA would not have been able to become such a pain in the arse over downloads had it not had an army of lobbyists. See, before computers there were tape recorders. Kids recorded music from radios, records and each other all of the time and swapped tapes among themselves. Kids made their own 'albums' of assorted songs they liked. The recording industry couldn't do anything about it.

Now, with lobbyists, they have been able to undermine the privacy laws most ISPs operated on, forcing them to not only give up their customer files, but to allow them access to all of their web activity. Lobbyists also have managed to block the majority of the efforts to prevent stupid and frivolous lawsuits or to stop the deliberate dragging out of cases, forcing folks to run out of money and settle for much less than they have a right to or businesses to pay out even if they are in the right to avoid enormous legal costs proving so.

Lobbyists help cripple NASA and delay our getting into deep space by probably 200 years, in their efforts to get chunks of the previously enormous budget taken away and given to special interest groups. NASA nearly went bankrupt. Had the lobbyists not gotten in the way, chances are we'd have a real moon base by now and actually have had a crew on Mars and be benefiting from all of the technology and discoveries that would have come about.

Lobbyists have done enormous damage to our nation on behalf of whoever pays them and congress itself refuses to make them illegal.


Newsletter, etc.
 
2009-11-16 02:47:10 AM  

Rik01: It's a darn shame that we've allowed lobbyists to exist at all and we'll probably never know fully how much damage has been done by them to things which could have benefited us tax payers considerably.

A single lobbyist is responsible for making pot illegal, at the paid request of one of the biggest newspaper barons in the US, who saw the plant as a danger to the profits of his many wood pulp mills. Pot plants or hemp, could produce paper faster and cheaper than cutting down hundreds of acres of forest. The lobbyist had no opinion about pot either way, but started the scare tactics and lies which led to it's being made illegal and who was considered the most powerful lobbyist of the time.


citation?
 
2009-11-16 05:59:38 AM  
B-B-B-But only the Republicans are bad!
 
2009-11-16 06:06:02 AM  
Been done.
media-2.web.britannica.com

/is that Moran on the left?
 
2009-11-16 06:06:41 AM  

yarnothuntin: B-B-B-But only the Republicans are bad!


Shut up, this isn't about Dems or the GOP.

This is about the corporate slimeballs who have been ruining this country for decades. I think people from every part of the political spectrum can agree that lobbying needs to be curtailed, reexamined, or completely cut off.
 
2009-11-16 06:13:12 AM  

yarnothuntin: B-B-B-But only the Republicans are bad!


I will now demonstrate the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

As someone who voted, donated, and campaigned for Obama, I have this to say:

These guys are assholes and have betrayed the public trust for the sake of corporate dollars. They have disgraced themselves, and do not deserve the privilege of serving one more term.

Meanwhile, Republican voters have this to say of their counterparts:

....

...

/...
 
2009-11-16 06:17:13 AM  

Khabi715: This is about the corporate slimeballs who have been ruining this country for decades. I think people from every part of the political spectrum can agree that lobbying needs to be curtailed, reexamined, or completely cut off.


Ya think?
 
2009-11-16 06:17:31 AM  
Laurel and Hardy were once described as two brains without a single thought. Apparently this record has now been broken.
 
2009-11-16 06:23:18 AM  
Well, if you don't like it, get rid of them.
 
2009-11-16 06:23:59 AM  

Rik01: It's a darn shame that we've allowed lobbyists to exist at all and we'll probably never know fully how much damage has been done by them to things which could have benefited us tax payers considerably.


I have said for years we should be legally allowed to hunt lobbyists Within the confines of DC, and that all meetings between government officials and lobbyists be legally required to be held in Washington DC.

It is a dream of mine, but alas it will not come to pass.
 
2009-11-16 06:27:54 AM  

Jensaarai: yarnothuntin: B-B-B-But only the Republicans are bad!

I will now demonstrate the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

As someone who voted, donated, and campaigned for Obama, I have this to say:

These guys are assholes and have betrayed the public trust for the sake of corporate dollars. They have disgraced themselves, and do not deserve the privilege of serving one more term.

Meanwhile, Republican voters have this to say of their counterparts:

....

...

/...


Totally!
 
2009-11-16 06:33:16 AM  

Jensaarai: As someone who voted, donated, and campaigned for Obama, I have this to say:

These guys are assholes and have betrayed the public trust for the sake of corporate dollars. They have disgraced themselves, and do not deserve the privilege of serving one more term.


As a "b-b-b-but both sides are bad", Fark Independent- I couldn't agree more.
 
2009-11-16 06:35:02 AM  
I'd put money that the first television show to call them on this is The Daily Show.
 
2009-11-16 06:39:00 AM  

Sir Vanderhoot: I'd put money that the first television show to call them on this is The Daily Show.


They did a story about lobbyists a while back- it was funny, in a depressing sort of way. Trying to find it on the googlenet.
 
2009-11-16 06:45:08 AM  

yarnothuntin: Sir Vanderhoot: I'd put money that the first television show to call them on this is The Daily Show.

They did a story about lobbyists a while back- it was funny, in a depressing sort of way. Trying to find it on the googlenet.


Found It! (new window)

you have to wait for the ad.
 
2009-11-16 06:45:54 AM  
So does Daily Kos and subby mean to imply that people who take home a few hundred thousand dollars a year in order to represent the interests of the electorate in their home state, also take home another few hundred thousand dollars in bribes future campaign donations in order to simply read the talking points of the industry out loud, without even bothering to make up their own minds on issues, write their own speeches, and in general actually do the job they were elected to do?

I am shocked! Shocked I tell you!
 
2009-11-16 06:47:00 AM  
Yay, I apparently need someone to pay me to remember to include a </b> in my posts...
 
2009-11-16 06:52:57 AM  

propasaurus: Rik01: *awesome text*
Newsletter, etc.


Seconded.

/Run all those bastards out of town, preferably whilst being tarred and feathered.
//Yes, I read the Democrat script too, and yes I think they should GTFO as well.
 
2009-11-16 06:54:29 AM  
Not the least bit surprised to see my own rep, Heath Shuler on there. We threw out hilariously corrupt Republican Charles Taylor last year, to replace him with a democrat who has voted almost exactly the same.
 
2009-11-16 06:59:27 AM  
Wouldn't it be embarassing if someone caught a whole bunch of congressmen reading almost verbatim the speeches their lobbyists wrote for them?

no. They do that all the time.
 
2009-11-16 07:09:02 AM  

Rik01: The RIAA would not have been able to become such a pain in the arse over downloads had it not had an army of lobbyists. See, before computers there were tape recorders. Kids recorded music from radios, records and each other all of the time and swapped tapes among themselves. Kids made their own 'albums' of assorted songs they liked. The recording industry couldn't do anything about it.


www.dagbladet.no

*Snicker*

Actually, a few years back when the debate over Sony and iPod DRM was running, a Member of Parliament managed to say in a deadpan serious voice during an interview: "I notice the growing concerns of Sony over home recording from LP records to cassette tapes. Oh... Wait... I seem to have mixed up the issue with the last time Sony expressed deep concerns, 20 years ago. It seems as if Sony still exists, and appears to be doing fine, even though they predicted their own death 20 years ago as well... How strange."

/End threadjack
 
2009-11-16 07:17:47 AM  

cmunic8r99: Rik01: It's a darn shame that we've allowed lobbyists to exist at all and we'll probably never know fully how much damage has been done by them to things which could have benefited us tax payers considerably.

A single lobbyist is responsible for making pot illegal, at the paid request of one of the biggest newspaper barons in the US, who saw the plant as a danger to the profits of his many wood pulp mills. Pot plants or hemp, could produce paper faster and cheaper than cutting down hundreds of acres of forest. The lobbyist had no opinion about pot either way, but started the scare tactics and lies which led to it's being made illegal and who was considered the most powerful lobbyist of the time.


citation?


Link (new window)

Specifically, the heading starting with "yellow journalism".

/hippie-commie stoner
 
2009-11-16 07:22:52 AM  
Thanks to term-limits here in Florida, lobbyists even write the bills.

Just think how awesome the US Senate could be if lobbyists had even more power than today!
 
2009-11-16 07:31:39 AM  

Rik01: It's a darn shame that we've allowed lobbyists to exist at all and we'll probably never know fully how much damage has been done by them to things which could have benefited us tax payers considerably.

A single lobbyist is responsible for making pot illegal, at the paid request of one of the biggest newspaper barons in the US, who saw the plant as a danger to the profits of his many wood pulp mills. Pot plants or hemp, could produce paper faster and cheaper than cutting down hundreds of acres of forest. The lobbyist had no opinion about pot either way, but started the scare tactics and lies which led to it's being made illegal and who was considered the most powerful lobbyist of the time.

There have been several attempts made over the decades to stop lobbyists, but all have failed because Congress likes its bribes and 'gifts'.

Consider how much better we'd be now had automobile lobbyists not been able to undermine the laws created in the 70s for high mileage cars or to prevent SUVs from being classified as a light truck -- which freed it from mandatory pollution and gas consumption restrictions.

It chaps my arse that wealthy corporations and folks can pay people to influence congressmen to change programs, bills or laws in their favor, ignoring the needs of the public, for whom congress is supposed to be actually working for.

The RIAA would not have been able to become such a pain in the arse over downloads had it not had an army of lobbyists. See, before computers there were tape recorders. Kids recorded music from radios, records and each other all of the time and swapped tapes among themselves. Kids made their own 'albums' of assorted songs they liked. The recording industry couldn't do anything about it.

Now, with lobbyists, they have been able to undermine the privacy laws most ISPs operated on, forcing them to not only give up their customer files, but to allow them access to all of their web activity. Lobbyists also have managed to block the majority of the efforts to prevent stupid and frivolous lawsuits or to stop the deliberate dragging out of cases, forcing folks to run out of money and settle for much less than they have a right to or businesses to pay out even if they are in the right to avoid enormous legal costs proving so.

Lobbyists help cripple NASA and delay our getting into deep space by probably 200 years, in their efforts to get chunks of the previously enormous budget taken away and given to special interest groups. NASA nearly went bankrupt. Had the lobbyists not gotten in the way, chances are we'd have a real moon base by now and actually have had a crew on Mars and be benefiting from all of the technology and discoveries that would have come about.

Lobbyists have done enormous damage to our nation on behalf of whoever pays them and congress itself refuses to make them illegal.


While I agree with most of what you wrote, the bolded part here would be unconsitutional.

lobbying can be considered a form of petitioning the government for redress of grievances, subject to protection under the First Amendment's petition clause.

Sadly, they are protected by the first admendment.

Source: Link (new window)
 
2009-11-16 07:34:16 AM  

Cornwell: Yay, I apparently need someone to pay me to remember to include a </b> in my posts..


HAHAHA you're a /b tard
 
2009-11-16 07:46:06 AM  

ElCommunisto: propasaurus: Rik01: *awesome text*
Newsletter, etc.

Seconded.

/Run all those bastards out of town, preferably whilst being tarred and feathered.
//Yes, I read the Democrat script too, and yes I think they should GTFO as well.



Agreed. Shame on Kos for no tcalling both sides out on their page though.
 
2009-11-16 07:46:42 AM  

GAT_00: Farking idiots, the lot of them.


How are they idiots? They're rich rulers.

Now, they may be SWINE.
 
2009-11-16 07:46:52 AM  

yarnothuntin: Cornwell: Yay, I apparently need someone to pay me to remember to include a </b> in my posts..

HAHAHA you're a /b tard


NEEDS MOAR POOPER!
 
2009-11-16 07:48:22 AM  
President-elect Barack Obama appointed a Raytheon Co. lobbyist Thursday to become the No. 2 official at the Defense Department, acknowledging that his choice appeared to break with his self-imposed rules to keep lobbyists at arm's length.


This is really getting to be a joke. 12 new lobbyist into the American government.

Bush terrible for the country. as in really really bad, hopefully this time around it gets better


i doubt it.
 
2009-11-16 07:51:48 AM  
This is why democracy is no longer possible in the US.
 
2009-11-16 07:52:11 AM  
Joe Wilson... What a shock.
 
2009-11-16 07:58:24 AM  

Capt_Brown: cmunic8r99: Rik01: It's a darn shame that we've allowed lobbyists to exist at all and we'll probably never know fully how much damage has been done by them to things which could have benefited us tax payers considerably.

A single lobbyist is responsible for making pot illegal, at the paid request of one of the biggest newspaper barons in the US, who saw the plant as a danger to the profits of his many wood pulp mills. Pot plants or hemp, could produce paper faster and cheaper than cutting down hundreds of acres of forest. The lobbyist had no opinion about pot either way, but started the scare tactics and lies which led to it's being made illegal and who was considered the most powerful lobbyist of the time.


citation?

Link (new window)

Specifically, the heading starting with "yellow journalism".

/hippie-commie stoner


That article says the corporation supporting Aslinger and Hearst was Dupont. They they didn't support them because of paper but because of competition with Nylon.

Also, the 'forest and paper' concern was Hearst's own concern because he was heavily invested in the timber industry. According to the article you cited, however, that wasn't his first concern. In fact, in order listed in the article, they were:

1. He hated Mexicans.
2. He was heavily invested in the timber industry
3. He hated Mexicans.
4. Telling lies about Mexicans and marijuana sold newspapers

In short, that article doesn't support the original post at all.
 
2009-11-16 08:01:14 AM  

cmunic8r99: Capt_Brown: cmunic8r99: Rik01: It's a darn shame that we've allowed lobbyists to exist at all and we'll probably never know fully how much damage has been done by them to things which could have benefited us tax payers considerably.

A single lobbyist is responsible for making pot illegal, at the paid request of one of the biggest newspaper barons in the US, who saw the plant as a danger to the profits of his many wood pulp mills. Pot plants or hemp, could produce paper faster and cheaper than cutting down hundreds of acres of forest. The lobbyist had no opinion about pot either way, but started the scare tactics and lies which led to it's being made illegal and who was considered the most powerful lobbyist of the time.


citation?

Link (new window)

Specifically, the heading starting with "yellow journalism".

/hippie-commie stoner

That article says the corporation supporting Aslinger and Hearst was Dupont. They they didn't support them because of paper but because of competition with Nylon.

Also, the 'forest and paper' concern was Hearst's own concern because he was heavily invested in the timber industry. According to the article you cited, however, that wasn't his first concern. In fact, in order listed in the article, they were:

1. He hated Mexicans.
2. He was heavily invested in the timber industry
3. He hated Mexicans.
4. Telling lies about Mexicans and marijuana sold newspapers

In short, that article doesn't support the original post at all.


Maybe so, but the Boobies wasn't mine =D
 
2009-11-16 08:02:42 AM  

Capt_Brown: Maybe so, but the Boobies wasn't mine =D


They tend not to be, don't they?
 
2009-11-16 08:03:25 AM  

Rik01: It's a darn shame that we've allowed lobbyists to exist at all and we'll probably never know fully how much damage has been done by them to things which could have benefited us tax payers considerably.

A single lobbyist is responsible for making pot illegal, at the paid request of one of the biggest newspaper barons in the US, who saw the plant as a danger to the profits of his many wood pulp mills. Pot plants or hemp, could produce paper faster and cheaper than cutting down hundreds of acres of forest. The lobbyist had no opinion about pot either way, but started the scare tactics and lies which led to it's being made illegal and who was considered the most powerful lobbyist of the time.

There have been several attempts made over the decades to stop lobbyists, but all have failed because Congress likes its bribes and 'gifts'.

Consider how much better we'd be now had automobile lobbyists not been able to undermine the laws created in the 70s for high mileage cars or to prevent SUVs from being classified as a light truck -- which freed it from mandatory pollution and gas consumption restrictions.

It chaps my arse that wealthy corporations and folks can pay people to influence congressmen to change programs, bills or laws in their favor, ignoring the needs of the public, for whom congress is supposed to be actually working for.

The RIAA would not have been able to become such a pain in the arse over downloads had it not had an army of lobbyists. See, before computers there were tape recorders. Kids recorded music from radios, records and each other all of the time and swapped tapes among themselves. Kids made their own 'albums' of assorted songs they liked. The recording industry couldn't do anything about it.

Now, with lobbyists, they have been able to undermine the privacy laws most ISPs operated on, forcing them to not only give up their customer files, but to allow them access to all of their web activity. Lobbyists also have managed to block the majority of the efforts to prevent stupid and frivolous lawsuits or to stop the deliberate dragging out of cases, forcing folks to run out of money and settle for much less than they have a right to or businesses to pay out even if they are in the right to avoid enormous legal costs proving so.

Lobbyists help cripple NASA and delay our getting into deep space by probably 200 years, in their efforts to get chunks of the previously enormous budget taken away and given to special interest groups. NASA nearly went bankrupt. Had the lobbyists not gotten in the way, chances are we'd have a real moon base by now and actually have had a crew on Mars and be benefiting from all of the technology and discoveries that would have come about.

Lobbyists have done enormous damage to our nation on behalf of whoever pays them and congress itself refuses to make them illegal.


I completely agree with your post, so I'm not trying to be confrontational here, but I'm curious what system you think would best replace donor funding of campaigns. The truest democracy would feature public money for candidates, calibrated to the level of the election. If you're running for congress, you get $200,000. Spend it wisely. If President, $10,000,000, or whatever. The people who get elected are the ones who can convince the most people that they are the best candidate given the same amount of money. The problem is: how do we sort out the legitimate candidates when 10,000 people want to run for POTUS? Money does have a way of acting as a sieve to keep things to a reasonable number of candidates.
 
2009-11-16 08:09:44 AM  
My respect for DK has risen.

My amusement of the wingnut farkers who can even spin a non partisan article that hammers both sides into a b-b-b-b-b the other side is worse is what keeps me coming back to the Fark Politics party.

b-b-b-b-b-but they both have a bunch of idiots.

u-u-u-u-u-until you quit calling out the other side and clean up your own parties mess (which is as bad as the others) it will only get worse.

Thanks again Koss
 
2009-11-16 08:14:15 AM  
It's pretty much common knowledge now that our politicians are owned by corporate interest and simply electing someone else will change nothing as the new guy will be just as vulnerable at the previous politician. The fact is, people such as Ron Paul are the exception rather than the rule and as we push further into the future politicians who resist corporate interest are likely to disappear all together.

/both parties are the same in this respect
//republicans are just more flagrant about it
 
2009-11-16 08:16:20 AM  

Rik01: It's a darn shame that we've allowed lobbyists to exist at all and we'll probably never know fully how much damage has been done by them to things which could have benefited us tax payers considerably.

A single lobbyist is responsible for making pot illegal, at the paid request of one of the biggest newspaper barons in the US, who saw the plant as a danger to the profits of his many wood pulp mills. Pot plants or hemp, could produce paper faster and cheaper than cutting down hundreds of acres of forest. The lobbyist had no opinion about pot either way, but started the scare tactics and lies which led to it's being made illegal and who was considered the most powerful lobbyist of the time.

There have been several attempts made over the decades to stop lobbyists, but all have failed because Congress likes its bribes and 'gifts'.

Consider how much better we'd be now had automobile lobbyists not been able to undermine the laws created in the 70s for high mileage cars or to prevent SUVs from being classified as a light truck -- which freed it from mandatory pollution and gas consumption restrictions.

It chaps my arse that wealthy corporations and folks can pay people to influence congressmen to change programs, bills or laws in their favor, ignoring the needs of the public, for whom congress is supposed to be actually working for.

The RIAA would not have been able to become such a pain in the arse over downloads had it not had an army of lobbyists. See, before computers there were tape recorders. Kids recorded music from radios, records and each other all of the time and swapped tapes among themselves. Kids made their own 'albums' of assorted songs they liked. The recording industry couldn't do anything about it.

Now, with lobbyists, they have been able to undermine the privacy laws most ISPs operated on, forcing them to not only give up their customer files, but to allow them access to all of their web activity. Lobbyists also have managed to block the majority of the efforts to prevent stupid and frivolous lawsuits or to stop the deliberate dragging out of cases, forcing folks to run out of money and settle for much less than they have a right to or businesses to pay out even if they are in the right to avoid enormous legal costs proving so.

Lobbyists help cripple NASA and delay our getting into deep space by probably 200 years, in their efforts to get chunks of the previously enormous budget taken away and given to special interest groups. NASA nearly went bankrupt. Had the lobbyists not gotten in the way, chances are we'd have a real moon base by now and actually have had a crew on Mars and be benefiting from all of the technology and discoveries that would have come about.

Lobbyists have done enormous damage to our nation on behalf of whoever pays them and congress itself refuses to make them illegal.


I agree 100%, but don't let Congress off the hook. Had their been more than a few honest Senators in the last 50 years, things may not have ever gotten so bad in the first place. You also need to blame you fellow America, who sheepishly will continue to vote for these crooks because of the letter after their name. The only solution to this is term limits. Even an official ban on lobbyists will not solve the problem. If anything, it will make it worse as they will be even more underground than now.
 
2009-11-16 08:17:49 AM  

HypnozombieX: It's pretty much common knowledge now that our politicians are owned by corporate interest and simply electing someone else will change nothing as the new guy will be just as vulnerable at the previous politician. The fact is, people such as Ron Paul are the exception rather than the rule and as we push further into the future politicians who resist corporate interest are likely to disappear all together.

/both parties are the same in this respect
//republicans are just more flagrant about it


I don't think you can say that anymore. Looking at the 'most ethical Congress ever', I see more blatant corruption on the side of the left right now. Whoever has the majority gets the most kickbacks I think. Plus, the both parties take bribes from different groups. That is what separates them anymore.
 
2009-11-16 08:23:53 AM  

TheRevHairless: Sadly, they are protected by the first admendment.


That is the root of the problem: that a legal fiction should have the same rights as a human being.

I think lobbyists should have every right to speak their minds to our representatives. I just don't think they should be allowed to be paid to do it by the highest bidder.
 
2009-11-16 08:24:26 AM  
Our political system is one of the most depressing thing I've ever seen. We can't fix anything, because that would most likely drop someones profits and of course that would be blasphemy in the eyes of our lord and savior the free market.

I usually always tried to see the best in people, but I don't think "good" and "politics" can ever coexist. Farking greedy pissants.

What exactly does it take to get the ball moving on some sort of change that the system desperately needs because if it doesn't change it's going to fail. No ifs ands or butts. We can't keep hemorrhaging money while at the same time big business is giving jobs away to other countries in the name of profits.

We honestly need to set a fire under the asses of our so called leaders. We'd rather focus on labels like communism and fascism republican or democrat or independent instead of getting shiat fixed.
 
2009-11-16 08:26:09 AM  

Nemo's Brother: I don't think you can say that anymore.


Can you point to the current Democratic version of K Street?
 
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