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(CNN)   Indian eunuchs allowed to choose a gender of "other" for ID cards, a political move that took balls   (edition.cnn.com ) divider line
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2009-11-13 10:59:07 AM  
I would call their new gender "Bobs", but that's just me...
 
2009-11-13 11:16:18 AM  
That's a pretty unique solution to the problem.
 
2009-11-13 11:16:51 AM  
You have balls. I like balls.

fashiontribes.typepad.com
 
2009-11-13 11:17:01 AM  
It confuses me that a culture that is still so conservative with regards to women's rights and homosexuals can be so open-minded to eunuchs and transgendered people.
 
2009-11-13 11:17:12 AM  
So...since they are 'eunuchs' they get somethign cut off? is it just their balls or the whole package? I'm confused...
 
2009-11-13 11:17:41 AM  

Boritom: I would call their new gender "Bobs", but that's just me...


Wouldn't they be called "Pats"?
 
2009-11-13 11:18:53 AM  
www.ingconti.com

Unix, the other operating system.
 
2009-11-13 11:20:29 AM  
In before Fark trannies (TFT?) clammoring that we need this sort of acceptance in the US. Freaks don't want to be accepted. Isn't that why they became freaks?
 
2009-11-13 11:23:34 AM  

Indian eunuchs allowed to choose a gender of "other" for ID cards


What do they use for their SUPEREGO cards?
 
2009-11-13 11:23:41 AM  
bugmn99 Quote 2009-11-13 11:20:29 AM
In before Fark transformers (TFT?) clammoring that we need this sort of acceptance in the US. Freaks don't want to be accepted. Isn't that why they became freaks?


Popcorn, I'm a grabbin some now!
 
2009-11-13 11:25:45 AM  
What a eunuch may look like:
www.virginmedia.com
 
#2 [TotalFark]
2009-11-13 11:25:48 AM  
"Robin noted the man had soft skin, a weak chin, and little beard. He wondered if the dowser were a eunuch, and if that contributed to his power -- if any."

- 'Dowsing the Demon' by Clayton Emery (1994)
 
2009-11-13 11:28:09 AM  

Arkanaut: It confuses me that a culture that is still so conservative with regards to women's rights and homosexuals can be so open-minded to eunuchs and transgendered people.


Open minded? They are considered outcasts and are tolerated only because of superstition (don't mess with them or they will curse you! If you pay them off they will leave you alone. If you hire them to dance at your wedding they will bless you so you'll have babies, etc.)
 
2009-11-13 11:33:40 AM  
"The July verdict [overrides] -- Indian penal code section 377 ..."

huh huh, they said "penal"
 
2009-11-13 11:34:19 AM  
This is good news for Perez Hilton.
 
2009-11-13 11:34:55 AM  

lukelightning: Arkanaut: It confuses me that a culture that is still so conservative with regards to women's rights and homosexuals can be so open-minded to eunuchs and transgendered people.

Open minded? They are considered outcasts and are tolerated only because of superstition (don't mess with them or they will curse you! If you pay them off they will leave you alone. If you hire them to dance at your wedding they will bless you so you'll have babies, etc.)


Yeah, but can't you counteract that by wearing the foot of an African albino around your neck?
 
2009-11-13 11:39:13 AM  
Good thing this could never happen in a civil society.


ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2009-11-13 11:39:34 AM  
And we're giving our IT jobs to these people. Who can't even do them.
 
2009-11-13 11:40:21 AM  

johan heggs tiny man nipples: bugmn99 Quote 2009-11-13 11:20:29 AM
In before Fark transformers (TFT?) clammoring that we need this sort of acceptance in the US. Freaks don't want to be accepted. Isn't that why they became freaks?

Popcorn, I'm a grabbin some now!


Ya like that? How about...

GET IN HERE AND TELL US WHY AMPUTATING PARTS OF YOUR BODY THAT YOU WERE BORN WITH IS NATURAL!! I GOT $5 THAT SAYS YOU WERE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AT SOME POINT. MAN UP, PUSSY.
 
2009-11-13 11:42:01 AM  
Just wait until Daenerys Targaryen gets control of them.
 
2009-11-13 11:45:54 AM  
What else are the Sanjayas of the world supposed to do?
 
2009-11-13 11:46:53 AM  
I summon gorgor to the thread.
 
2009-11-13 11:46:54 AM  

LarryDan43: Just wait until Daenerys Targaryen gets control of them.


madkevin.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-11-13 11:47:07 AM  
Now the band that we hired
Is playing quite inspired
Singing Eskimos and eunuchs from Bangkok
 
2009-11-13 11:49:02 AM  

Mugato: And we're giving our IT jobs to these people. Who can't even do them.


What, you don't need any eunuchs support?

www.cio.com
 
2009-11-13 11:52:04 AM  
Does that make it easier to ride bareback on a horse?
 
2009-11-13 11:54:58 AM  

lukelightning: Mugato: And we're giving our IT jobs to these people. Who can't even do them.

What, you don't need any eunuchs support?


damn eunachs, yes i don't like em
 
2009-11-13 12:00:25 PM  
i36.tinypic.com
 
2009-11-13 12:06:58 PM  
Maybe gender identity itself is obsolete.
 
2009-11-13 12:09:15 PM  
Meh, technically, his gender didn't change. Only his sex was modified.
Gender is the social expression of your sex, your sex is the physical bits.

Don't worry, though. Nobody gets it right. People say "gender" when they mean "sex" because it is easier to say "gender" in polite company.
 
2009-11-13 12:10:28 PM  

BlorfMaster: So...since they are 'eunuchs' they get somethign cut off? is it just their balls or the whole package? I'm confused...


Wiki: hijra
Although they are usually referred to in English as "eunuchs", relatively few have any genital modifications.
*According Mumbai health organisation The Humsafar Trust, only 8% of hijras visiting their clinic are nirwaan (castrated)


Nobody's really sure. In some cases they DO lose the whole package I hear. The practice may be limited because they see how many die from it when they try.

But it's inaccurate to call them "eunuchs" anyways, since being castrated is not a defining criteria and in fact eunuchs are a minority. And "trangendered", while more accurate, is not entirely accurate. Many call themselves women, but more clearly identify simply as hijra, neither one. That is, they don't try to pass as women and integrate into society under a female role so "transgendered" is a bit inaccurate.

The hijra have a bizzare standing in Indian society. At times they're beggars who flock around and harasss someone, often flashing their genitals (or lack thereof) at the person and generally be disturbing as hell until the person gives them money to go away. But commonly they're considered some kind of magical fairy people and people HIRE them to bless their baby or perform at weddings.
 
2009-11-13 12:11:06 PM  
@Mugato

Dude/Dudette (which ever applies) I could write a book about that statement right now. Long story short, I wish them and Pakistan would just let the nukes fly so our jobs come back here!
 
2009-11-13 12:12:53 PM  
This is quite progressive.

Ok, America. You're next.
 
2009-11-13 12:19:24 PM  
The real question is, do these people still have a Y chromosome? If so, they are male.

I know that there are aberrations in chromosomes and some exceptions, but a Y chromosome doesn't lie.
 
2009-11-13 12:29:57 PM  
!NSFW!

Copy Paste

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/NL/SRS-NL.html

Sorry.

/ew.
 
2009-11-13 12:33:19 PM  
Eunuchs_yes sounds like a great alt
 
2009-11-13 12:35:26 PM  

Drink_Outside_The_Box: I summon gorgor to the thread.


You're doing it wrong
citizen-lane.com
 
2009-11-13 12:38:15 PM  

Veeoh: !NSFW!

Copy Paste

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/NL/SRS-NL.html

Sorry.

/ew.


I live in Thailand where the seasoned expat men claim that they cannot tell the difference between genuine lady parts and the lady parts that Thailand (in particular) is renowned for creating out of manly parts. Scary eh?
 
2009-11-13 12:45:11 PM  

fenianfark: The real question is, do these people still have a Y chromosome? If so, they are male.

I know that there are aberrations in chromosomes and some exceptions, but a Y chromosome doesn't lie.


I probably shouldn't bother responding, but uh, yeah they do! If you're a woman, you could be an XY woman and not even know it until you get a DNA test. So, you fail.
 
2009-11-13 12:47:04 PM  

surrenderyoursushi: Veeoh: !NSFW!

Copy Paste

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/NL/SRS-NL.html

Sorry.

/ew.

I live in Thailand where the seasoned expat men claim that they cannot tell the difference between genuine lady parts and the lady parts that Thailand (in particular) is renowned for creating out of manly parts. Scary eh?


You guys aren't making this roast beef sandwich any easier to eat.
 
2009-11-13 12:50:29 PM  

Veeoh: !NSFW!

Copy Paste

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/NL/SRS-NL.html

Sorry.

/ew.


That's definitely more haunting than any Gorgor pic I've seen.

"I barfd" kitteh has barfd.
 
2009-11-13 12:57:37 PM  
It was not clear whether the ruling -- which was later challenged by an astrologer in India's highest court -- would eventually lead to legalization of gay marriages in the country.

You would think that an astrologer would see something like that coming....
 
2009-11-13 12:58:45 PM  
bugmn99

In before Fark transformers (TFT?) clammoring that we need this sort of acceptance in the US. Freaks don't want to be accepted. Isn't that why they became freaks?

6/10. I passed you for the rage potential of this post. However, you chose the wrong forum. Farkers as a group aren't quite progressive enough to get hot and bothered about this, so your effort is mostly wasted. This would be best as an IRL troll on any university campus.
 
2009-11-13 01:00:47 PM  

NoboruWatanabe: LarryDan43: Just wait until Daenerys Targaryen gets control of them.



*thumbs up*
 
2009-11-13 01:00:58 PM  

bugmn99: In before Fark transformers (TFT?) clammoring that we need this sort of acceptance in the US. Freaks don't want to be accepted. Isn't that why they became freaks?


There's a difference between someone who is blurring gender lines for the sake of being freaky (GenderQueer), and someone who is neurologically intersexed to some degree. I know this is Fark, and thinking is frowned upon, but there are a large number of conditions that leave someone in the middle somewhere between fully "male" or "female", physically or mentally. This has been shown again and again in autopsies, functional MRIs, etc.

So, yeah - for some people, "Other" is as good as we have. When someone's chromosomes are (for example) XXXY, instead of the more typical XX or XY, standard rules do not apply.
 
2009-11-13 01:02:00 PM  
www.alpinecom.net
 
2009-11-13 01:04:27 PM  
Other? Wouldn't "none" be more applicable?
 
2009-11-13 01:06:47 PM  

fenianfark: The real question is, do these people still have a Y chromosome? If so, they are male.

I know that there are aberrations in chromosomes and some exceptions, but a Y chromosome doesn't lie.


Nope, the Y chromosome doesn't lie.

Nevermind that some 46XY individuals are phenotypically female, assigned a female birth certificate, mentally female, get married, get pregnant (sometimes unassisted). They are really still men, even though you can only tell with a genetic test.

You'd make a good Texas judge.
 
2009-11-13 01:07:24 PM  

talking_pie: fenianfark: The real question is, do these people still have a Y chromosome? If so, they are male.

I know that there are aberrations in chromosomes and some exceptions, but a Y chromosome doesn't lie.

I probably shouldn't bother responding, but uh, yeah they do! If you're a woman, you could be an XY woman and not even know it until you get a DNA test. So, you fail.


You must have missed the bolded part of my quote, talking about aberrations and exceptions. Reading comprehension skills own you.

Yeah, there are a few exceptions. But in general, if you have a Y chromosome, you are a male, regardless of self-mutilation or identifying as a woman.
 
2009-11-13 01:07:29 PM  

Veeoh: !NSFW!

Copy Paste

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/NL/SRS-NL.html

Sorry.

/ew.


That made me cry. And gave me a strong desire to kill doctors.
 
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