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(Onion AV Club)   Best TV series of the 00s: It's all downhill after 'The Wire'   (avclub.com) divider line 215
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2009-11-12 04:58:26 PM  
28. Eastbound & Down

Decent show but come on, there's only been 6 episodes so far.
 
2009-11-12 05:18:19 PM  
homarjr:
1. The Wire
2. The Sopranos
3. Arrested Development
4. Freaks and Geeks
5. Mad Men
6. Breaking Bad
7. The Office UK
8. Lost
9. Deadwood
10. The Shield
11. The Office US
12. Battlestar Galactica
13. 30 Rock
14. Futurama
15. Veronica Mars
16. Friday Night Lights
17. Firefly
18. How I Met Your Mother
19. Big Love
20. Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job!
21. Curb Your Enthusiasm
22. Six Feet Under
23. Undeclared
24. Dexter
25. Buffy The Vampire Slayer
26. The Venture Bros.
27. Flight of the Conchords
28. Eastbound & Down
29. Wonder Showzen
30. The West Wing


looks like i've got some catching up to do.
 
2009-11-12 05:25:22 PM  
homarjr: HoFChaos: This is the truth. Best episode of anything, ever.

Through The Looking Glass.

Never seen an episode of any show better than that.


You mispelled "The Constant," which was indeed the best episode of LOST.
 
2009-11-12 05:26:11 PM  
Dr.Knockboots: The Wire #1 ='s I'm happy.
Best characters, best plots, best show I have ever had the pleasure of watching.
I'd be all in if they made a new Wire, in a different city. Like Detroit, or San Diego.


Hey, it's your lucky day!

Treme

You're welcome.
 
2009-11-12 05:26:22 PM  
Kindly ignore the fact that I misspelled "misspelled." Thanks.
 
2009-11-12 05:30:46 PM  
TheMatchHare: Carth Clarence Potter: Carth: Spooks could be on that list (MI:5 for American tv).

This has been an uneven one of late, but yeah I agree. If you like Spooks, then do yourself a favor and check out The Sandbaggers.

Sandbaggers is actually what led me to Spooks. Sandbaggers is the most accurate depiction of intelligence work I've seen on tv.

Spooks was great the first 3 seasons I stopped watching it after that.

Coincidentally, I just finished the finale of the third season yesterday evening. I plan to keep trekking into the fourth season, but my expectations are considerably lower...


Later seasons have some good moments but nothing compares to the first 3 seasons.

Boyd Schidt: 28. Eastbound & Down

Decent show but come on, there's only been 6 episodes so far.


It's a 6 episode season show. Just how it's structured. And absolutely brilliant. I don't know of any show that has ever both made me laugh that hard and feel so incredibly sympathetic.
 
2009-11-12 05:31:44 PM  
alywa
Oh, and while there aren't really any kids shows on that list (and that's mostly what we watch with a 5 year old and a 16 month old)... I'll add:
[Yo Gabba Gabba]
and
[Wonder Pets]
Kids programming is so much better now than the dreck we had when we were little.


This. I personally don't care for "Yo Gabba Gabba", although I can certainly see how people would like it, but I do love "Wonder Pets". Of course, children's shows are never going to register on these lists. For the pre-school set, I'd also throw in "Backyardigans" and "Super Why". "Backyardigans" took a while to grow on me and for me to appreciate the cleverness of it's Music Appreciation agenda. "Super Why" isn't likely to be particularly enjoyable for adults, but kids love it and it probably has the strongest educational content of any recently produced pre-school show. There are numerous other shows aimed at the same demographic that are surprisingly well done (and palatable for adults).
For slightly older kids, but still below the level of this kind of list making, there's "Phineas and Ferb", which has been flat at times, but has been downright brilliant at others.
 
2009-11-12 05:51:40 PM  
Not going to read through the entire thread, but I would say The Shield is the best show I've ever seen, with nothing being close.

As someone mentioned above, there are so many WTF moments in the show that it is surprising that they never lost the ability to shock you.

The finale is incredible. At one point I was speechless. Completely realistic, but I couldn't believe they went down that particular road. It is a fitting finale, unlike The Sopranos, which was partially great, partially crap as an entire series.
 
2009-11-12 05:54:14 PM  
SuburbanCowboy: homarjr: SuburbanCowboy: It's the wrong year for best of the decade lists. The decade started in 2001 and ends at the end of 2010. The calendar has no year zero.

Freaks and Geeks ran from 1999-2000 so it ran completely in the last century.

You're so cool.

I'm not trying to be cool. I'm stating fact. This year we are going to see hundreds of "end of decade" lists, and it isn't the end of the f'ing decade.


You're actually wrong... Centuries and millennia work that way, but decades are different... We refer to decades as "the 00s" or "the 90s"... Are you saying that "the 90s" includes the year 2000? That's just insane... No, there was no "year zero", which is why the 21st century began in 2001, as did the 3rd millennium... But, the decade known as "the 00s" most certainly DID start in 2000...

From Wiki:

For example, "the 1950s" refers to 1950 through to 1959 (inclusive).
 
2009-11-12 05:55:53 PM  
NASAM: I'm watching Season 3 of The Wire right now. It's good, but still not as anywhere near as good as The Shield.

I agree, it's about 20 times better than the Shield.
 
2009-11-12 06:09:19 PM  
I'll be the dissenting voice to say I thought the list was pretty damn good.
 
2009-11-12 06:17:45 PM  
Wonderfalls needs to be on that list. And Lost really needs to be off. Lost season 1 only maybe, but Lost as a series is about as exciting as flies farking.
 
2009-11-12 06:19:40 PM  
Need_MindBleach: I'll be the dissenting voice to say I thought the list was pretty damn good.

Same here. A couple I've never seen, and I absolutely hate Tim & Eric. But other than that no real complaints. Which is rare for me with these kinds of lists.
 
2009-11-12 06:24:44 PM  
HoFChaos: You mispelled "The Constant," which was indeed the best episode of LOST.

I'm biased towards season finales, but yes, The Constant was fantastic.

I'm also biased towards Lost because I think it's the best show of all time (well, tied with The Wire).
 
2009-11-12 06:39:49 PM  
Glad to see Breaking Bad made the list, best show on tv imho, can't wait for season three. All in all this was a pretty good list except for the fact that Entourage didn't make it on there. I know a lot of farkers don't like it but I find it enjoyable.
 
2009-11-12 06:52:06 PM  
Crappy, pretentious list is crappy and pretentious.

Leave it to EW to find show that are 'Dada-esque' and based on the
'comedy of discomfort' enjoyable.

And shiate like 'Showzen' 'Curb', 'Office'- both versions, 'AR' just aren't funny and no matter how much EW tries to force they opinions ('Alias' anyone?) on the public that these shows are 'great' it just won't work.

Add '30 Rock' to the list.
 
2009-11-12 07:00:16 PM  
No Frisky Dingo?? Booooo!!!

/The Wire deserves to be number 1...of all time.
 
2009-11-12 07:05:43 PM  
List lacks Wonderfalls and Pushing Daisies, is otherwise spot on.
 
2009-11-12 07:06:59 PM  
Oh and add Weeds, Always Sunny, Rescue Me to the list.
 
2009-11-12 07:08:12 PM  
Tim & Eric is farking garbage. It's one of those bullshiat things that hipsters like so they can have another thing that they can look down on others for not liking. Which is pretty much everything hipsters like.

I wouldn't put 30 Rock on there either. The first season is just about unwatchable.
 
2009-11-12 07:20:53 PM  
Always Sunny
Samurai Jack
King of the Hill (started in the 90's)
Spongebob Square Pants

Pretty good list though considering I cant think of anything else.
 
2009-11-12 07:26:47 PM  
TheMatchHare: Carth Clarence Potter: Carth: Spooks could be on that list (MI:5 for American tv).

This has been an uneven one of late, but yeah I agree. If you like Spooks, then do yourself a favor and check out The Sandbaggers.

Sandbaggers is actually what led me to Spooks. Sandbaggers is the most accurate depiction of intelligence work I've seen on tv.

Spooks was great the first 3 seasons I stopped watching it after that.

Coincidentally, I just finished the finale of the third season yesterday evening. I plan to keep trekking into the fourth season, but my expectations are considerably lower...


Molly Parker is hot as a fake ginger. I never knew she was on that show.
 
2009-11-12 07:29:01 PM  
And how was this not on the list:

appstoreplus.files.wordpress.com

I know it started in the 90's, but dayum!
 
2009-11-12 07:31:04 PM  
Weigard: Tim & Eric is farking garbage. It's one of those bullshiat things that hipsters like so they can have another thing that they can look down on others for not liking. Which is pretty much everything hipsters like.

I think it is pretty funny. I guess I must be a hipster. Damn who knew? You apparently.
 
2009-11-12 07:34:40 PM  
Tim and Eric??????

The only thing that that show is better than is aids.
 
2009-11-12 07:50:08 PM  
RemyDuron: The Shield is about dirty cops, and it's an action show. It's not as cerebral as the Wire, but it's still definitely a good show. I wouldn't compare them, they go for and achieve entirely different things.

This is true. I liked both, though I prefer the Wire. The one thing that makes the difference for me is that seasons 5-7 of the Shield really just became The Vic Mackey Show. They pretty much dropped development of all of the other characters in favor of focusing the action on the Strike Team. And that's a shame, because they had some good material to work with (with Julian especially). The Wire never did that -- in fact, the cast of characters kept expanding, giving it a lot more depth.
 
2009-11-12 07:57:31 PM  
Weigard: Tim & Eric is farking garbage. It's one of those bullshiat things that hipsters like so they can have another thing that they can look down on others for not liking. Which is pretty much everything hipsters like.

Tim and Eric is big time hit and miss for me. Generally speaking for me, the sketches that DON'T have Tim and Eric are funny like the John C. Reilly and Zach Galifinakis sketches and the ones with the Tim and Eric aren't. Though the kid beats are great, especially "I smell my Dad's dirty socks"

Tom Goes to the Mayor is the better show.
 
2009-11-12 07:59:15 PM  
In agreement about The Wire. Happy for the Venture love (in the article and on Fark in general). Would have replaced almost anything else on the list for Rome. But the article can go fark itself for listing Tim And Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! at all. Not to mention rating it higher than The Venture Bros.
 
2009-11-12 08:02:48 PM  
No Rome, no Carnivale, no South Park, no Chappelle's Show. Whatever list... whatever

estevan6669: Tim and Eric??????

The only thing that that show is better than is aids.


Tim and Eric kill you more slowly.
 
2009-11-12 08:11:13 PM  
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'This really shouldn't be allowed. It's what men want, and it's horrible and it's sick. Oh great. I'm getting an erection. How grimly predictable.'

Peep Show is easily one of the funniest shows on today.
 
2009-11-12 08:37:45 PM  
The only good shows on that list: Futurama, Dexter.

Shows way better than the other 28 listed: House, Monk, NCIS, South Park.

I don't usually care for "List fails" posts, but has that guy ever actually watched TV?
 
2009-11-12 08:38:29 PM  
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2009-11-12 08:42:18 PM  
Weigard: Tim & Eric is farking garbage. It's one of those bullshiat things that hipsters like so they can have another thing that they can look down on others for not liking. Which is pretty much everything hipsters like.

I wouldn't put 30 Rock on there either. The first season is just about unwatchable.


I used to hate it. Then I watched it high. And now I like it, even sober.

But look at their guests. They have a lot of the funniest people in the business as guests. That's what always made me think there was something about the show that I just wasn't getting. Then, watching it stoned it just. . . clicked.

I understand hating it, as I used to. I don't think there's anything deep or really brilliant about it, but in the right frame of mind it is quite entertaining.
 
2009-11-12 08:53:37 PM  
South Park has to be on that list and to a lesser extent, Californication.

I was surprised to see Eastbound and Down but don't have a problem with it at the bottom of the list (after only 6 eps). I haven't laughed that much at a comedy in a long time and can't wait for s2.

/another vote for The Wire as #1
 
2009-11-12 09:04:10 PM  
My humble opinions, the first of which you will disagree with:

Arrested Development is, far and away, the most overrated show this decade.

Any list without South Park is teh fail.

Dexter too low.

Glad Freaks and Geeks was way up there.
 
2009-11-12 09:25:33 PM  
Every time I see a list like this and it has Deadwood on it I get pissed at HBO all over again for pulling the plug on it .

The Wire and Sopranos are great but I would have given up a season of either for one more season of Deadwood.
 
2009-11-12 10:13:42 PM  
One of the most underrated shows...don't flame me, but Reggie and Linda are hot...

www.collider.com
 
2009-11-12 10:13:47 PM  
It's a pretty decent list, if a little drama heavy (have to agree with the No Southpark? crowd), but no way that Tim and Eric should be on the list. Look, I get it, but the thing is that it's just not that good. Weird for the sake of being weird just doesn't really work on TV that well. You either have to do that in like 5 minute YouTube clips, or 2 hour David Lynch style that assaults you enough to convince you that you've experienced art.

Tim and Eric is like a hyperactive 9 year old who likes to run around pretending he's a robot or dog or whatever. It might be cute if you're personally invested in the child/show in some way, but otherwise it's just annoying.
 
2009-11-12 10:16:45 PM  
Where's Farscape? I know it started in 1999, but if West Wing, which also started in 1999, can be on the list then so can Farscape.
 
2009-11-12 10:26:00 PM  
Burr: Question;

I have been trying to figure this out for a while now...but does anybody like anything that Tim and Eric do? Are my wife and I the only ones who just don't like them at all?

/Only watches Robot Chicken and Venture Brothers on AS
//SOmetimes Metalacolypse, it has its moments


Gotta join in on the hatred for Tim and Eric. Nice to know I wasn't the only one who had those thoughts. My theory is that Tim and/or Eric have some really juicy blackmail info on one of the Adult Swim or even Cartoon Network executives. Something along the lines of sex tape or know where one of them buried a hooker or something. Its the only way possible to explain how those no talent ass clowns keep getting work. That stupid Tom goes to the mayor or whatever was the lamest show ever to come on adult swim....until they went and made that lame ass tim and eric show. The sad thing is I am pretty sure the first show was canceled due to shiatty ratings (tom goes to mayor) and what do they do? Give them a live action show! Personally I find them void of any humor and void of any creativity. In fact now that I think about it they are probably the two people in showbiz I hate the most. At least I can easily avoid Brittany Spears and other douche bags but it always seems like I catch a part of that stupid Tim and Eric show when I am in a mood for any of Adult Swims numerous other good cartoons (venture brothers, family guy, aqua teen etc.)

/Had to get that off my chest
//Keep the tim and eric hatred alive!
 
2009-11-12 10:37:03 PM  
estevan6669: Tim and Eric??????

The only thing that that show is better than is aids.


I've never had aids, so I'm going to have to suspend judgement on that for now.

That show is the main reason I stopped watching Adult Swim
 
2009-11-12 11:00:26 PM  
Don't like everything on that list, but I'm surprised and pleased they included The Venture Brothers.
 
2009-11-12 11:04:40 PM  
Very good list. Hell, it's so good this is my first ever post in a "list" thread... I think. Anyway, Rescue Me and True Blood are missing. And yes Deadwood should be higher. I think I have seen at least one episode of all the shows on the list and many I have watched all the way through since day one.

To be honest tho, I really did not kick in on this list till number 7 with The Office (UK). I need to give the ones rated ahead of it a better chance apparently.

/still VERY pissed about the Deadwood cancelation
 
2009-11-12 11:05:00 PM  
Harry_Seldon: One of the most underrated shows...don't flame me, but Reggie and Linda are hot...

Hell yeah

teenagethunder.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-11-12 11:14:55 PM  
props for Deadwood and West Wing making the list, but where the fark is Rome and Kings? Fantastic writing and Ian McShane was in Kings, you can't get better television than with those four shows
 
2009-11-12 11:38:36 PM  
coco ebert: forkandspoon2008: No Scrubs means the list is epic fail, 30 rock is overrated and I would stab Alec Baldwin in the face if I ever got the chance.

You are SO not getting a Funcooker for Christmas.


Oh well, just make do with a Cornballer.

/Everyone is laughing and riding and cornholing...
 
2009-11-13 12:15:33 AM  
RobSeace: SuburbanCowboy: homarjr: SuburbanCowboy: It's the wrong year for best of the decade lists. The decade started in 2001 and ends at the end of 2010. The calendar has no year zero.

Freaks and Geeks ran from 1999-2000 so it ran completely in the last century.

You're so cool.

I'm not trying to be cool. I'm stating fact. This year we are going to see hundreds of "end of decade" lists, and it isn't the end of the f'ing decade.

You're actually wrong... Centuries and millennia work that way, but decades are different... We refer to decades as "the 00s" or "the 90s"... Are you saying that "the 90s" includes the year 2000? That's just insane... No, there was no "year zero", which is why the 21st century began in 2001, as did the 3rd millennium... But, the decade known as "the 00s" most certainly DID start in 2000...

From Wiki:

For example, "the 1950s" refers to 1950 through to 1959 (inclusive).


Beat me to it.
 
2009-11-13 01:17:00 AM  
NASAM: First of all, that wasn't my quote it was Keywork99's, and secondly, you couldn't be more wrong.

The Wire tackles the deterioration of America's inner city through the crumbling remains of American societal foundations such as public education, journalism, local politics and organized labor ... which weaved the fabric of American society of previous generations, but now leaves today's American youth with nowhere to turn.

The Shield tackles a police chief sucking a guy off on a camera phone.
 
2009-11-13 01:19:18 AM  
I don't hate this list.
 
2009-11-13 02:08:22 AM  
That list is pretty awesome.

Rankings aside, I would only add: It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Damages, TopGear, and Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip... For different reasons of course.

There are probably others...

/Daily Show, Colbert Report...
//This list probably should be 10-15 entries longer...
 
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