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(The New York Times)   New Jersey judge allows quadriplegic man to buy guns. "He plans to mount the gun on his wheelchair and operate it with a breathing tube"   (nytimes.com) divider line 286
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2009-11-11 10:00:07 AM  
Why am I not surprised that this guy is from Manville, NJ?

/I miss The Chicken House.
 
2009-11-11 10:00:50 AM  
What could possibly go wrong?
 
2009-11-11 10:01:46 AM  
Well, at least nobody will have to tell him to keep his booger flipper off the bang switch.
 
2009-11-11 10:02:10 AM  
DjangoStonereaver: Why am I not surprised that this guy is from Manville, NJ?

/I miss The Chicken House.


My friend had a girl with anal warts stick her warts in his face there.
 
2009-11-11 10:02:40 AM  
God forbid he ever gets the hiccups...
 
2009-11-11 10:02:47 AM  
www.blog.stephenholtfitness.com

SAY THAT TO MY FACE, BIYATCH.
 
2009-11-11 10:03:05 AM  
The police chief needs to be replaced.
 
2009-11-11 10:05:18 AM  
He better make sure the brakes are set or he'll end up in the next county.
 
2009-11-11 10:11:42 AM  
Yeah, that's a sane idea. This will never, ever, go wrong.
 
2009-11-11 10:15:53 AM  
Jmast7: God forbid he ever gets the hiccups...

I was comingin here to make the same joke. Well done.
 
2009-11-11 10:20:10 AM  
Achoo!

Sorry about that, Chief.
 
2009-11-11 10:35:19 AM  
I honestly don't see this being dangerous provider he's not rolling around in the woods with the rifle mounted to the chair and only using it when he's gotten into a blind.
 
2009-11-11 10:36:00 AM  
I don't see how this should have even been an issue: Unless the guy isn't actually qualified to own a firearm due to him being a felon, or one of the other narrow exceptions, he's got just as much a right as you or I.

And yes, it is an individual right according to the highest court of the land, and I expect that it will be incorporated against the states RSN.
 
2009-11-11 10:37:13 AM  
jbuist: I honestly don't see this being dangerous provided

FTFM. Need more coffee.
 
2009-11-11 10:40:58 AM  
jbuist: I honestly don't see this being dangerous provider he's not rolling around in the woods with the rifle mounted to the chair and only using it when he's gotten into a blind.

How can you not possibly see this as dangerous?
 
2009-11-11 10:41:01 AM  
The NY Times is STILL requiring registration? Registration and slideshows can fark straight off.
 
2009-11-11 10:44:53 AM  
dittybopper: I don't see how this should have even been an issue: Unless the guy isn't actually qualified to own a firearm due to him being a felon, or one of the other narrow exceptions, he's got just as much a right as you or I.

And yes, it is an individual right according to the highest court of the land, and I expect that it will be incorporated against the states RSN.


NJ is extremely strict with their gun licensing. Trenton thinks the state consists of 3 areas: Newark, Camden, and the suburbs as their bankrolls. Nevermind that once you go 15 minutes outside Newark and Camden you're in cow-tipping redneck deer hunting territory and people still hunt.

The only way you can get a CCW in NJ is if you're formerly a police officer, an armored car driver, or can establish an immediate threat to your life.

Technically, you can get in serious trouble just by transporting your gun from the store back to your home since it would require the CCW
 
2009-11-11 10:55:04 AM  
GAT_00: How can you not possibly see this as dangerous?

The majority of gun accidents that I see or hear about are related to somebody accidentally fingering the trigger.

Kinda hard for this guy to do that, what with no working arms, hands, or legs. It will take a fairly determined effort to get a firearm to discharge in his condition.

Further his predicament forces him to have a 2nd person with him to do the majority of the gun handling like mounting and loading. That's two adults in supervision of a single firearm.

I don't see much room for this to go horribly wrong.
 
2009-11-11 10:57:33 AM  
Captain Christopher Pike is armed and dangerous.
 
2009-11-11 10:57:42 AM  
jbuist: The majority of gun accidents that I see or hear about are related to somebody accidentally fingering the trigger.

Kinda hard for this guy to do that, what with no working arms, hands, or legs. It will take a fairly determined effort to get a firearm to discharge in his condition.


It is fired by BREATHING. I'm sure he doesn't do that much. What if he coughs while it's hooked up? Or sneezes? Or gets angry and yells at someone?
 
2009-11-11 11:01:09 AM  
GAT_00: It is fired by BREATHING

Into a specific tube. You forgot that part. Us normal folks keep our fingers off the trigger until we're ready to fire. He's gotta remember to keep his mouth of the firing tube until he's ready to fire.

Remember: The guy is physically disabled, not retarded.

GAT_00: What if he coughs while it's hooked up? Or sneezes?

Uh, normally abled shooters have the same problems. You sneeze with your finger on the trigger of a good hunting rifle and it's probably going to discharge.
 
2009-11-11 11:01:12 AM  
GAT_00: It is fired by BREATHING. I'm sure he doesn't do that much. What if he coughs while it's hooked up? Or sneezes? Or gets angry and yells at someone?

Hilarity ensues?
 
2009-11-11 11:01:48 AM  
Pew Pew
*gasp*
Pew
 
2009-11-11 11:04:43 AM  
The English Major: Captain Christopher Pike is armed and dangerous.

If Captain Pike had bothered to learn Morse code, he could have done much better than give "Yes" and "No" answers. He could have given full and complete answers to the questions at that inquiry.

biatch was lazy.
 
2009-11-11 11:06:42 AM  
dittybopper: I don't see how this should have even been an issue: Unless the guy isn't actually qualified to own a firearm due to him being a felon, or one of the other narrow exceptions, he's got just as much a right as you or I.

Not sure about that. In Heller, the majority specifically noted that some kinds of restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms were permissible, including "laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms." Given that the right was originally given to "the militia" - citizens capable of bearing arms for individual or collective self-defense - I would say that not allowing people who are physically incapable of using a gun safely (i.e. people who are visually or physically handicapped) could be denied a permit to have one. However, since permits are a matter of administrative law, there's an inherent balancing test between a person's right and the state's interest, and for something that's a matter of Constitutional right the state must prove its interest outweighs a person's right. This guy's permit seems to be about hunting only, and as long as he's going hunting with some other licensed hunter who can take responsibility for the gun, the state's interest seems weak.

/Yes, I am a huge nerd on this subject, how could you tell?
//Getting an article I wrote on the Second Amendment published in March of next year
 
2009-11-11 11:06:46 AM  
El Chode: dittybopper: I don't see how this should have even been an issue: Unless the guy isn't actually qualified to own a firearm due to him being a felon, or one of the other narrow exceptions, he's got just as much a right as you or I.

And yes, it is an individual right according to the highest court of the land, and I expect that it will be incorporated against the states RSN.

NJ is extremely strict with their gun licensing. Trenton thinks the state consists of 3 areas: Newark, Camden, and the suburbs as their bankrolls. Nevermind that once you go 15 minutes outside Newark and Camden you're in cow-tipping redneck deer hunting territory and people still hunt.

The only way you can get a CCW in NJ is if you're formerly a police officer, an armored car driver, or can establish an immediate threat to your life.

Technically, you can get in serious trouble just by transporting your gun from the store back to your home since it would require the CCW


We aren't talking about a handgun. We're talking about a rifle.

And it offends my senses that an adult needs to get the permission of the local law enforcement to buy a rifle, and that said law enforcement can deny that ability for something like this.
 
2009-11-11 11:10:49 AM  
dittybopper: We aren't talking about a handgun. We're talking about a rifle.

And it offends my senses that an adult needs to get the permission of the local law enforcement to buy a rifle, and that said law enforcement can deny that ability for something like this.


Doesn't matter, having the rifle in your car is still grounds for prosecution, though if you have it unloaded with the ammo out of reach and explain to the officer that you just purchased it and still have your 24 hour permit, you're usually in the clear.
 
2009-11-11 11:12:41 AM  
EvilEgg: He better make sure the brakes are set or he'll end up in the next county.

New keyboard please, and a cloth to wipe coffee off the monitor.
 
2009-11-11 11:15:55 AM  
Now that my curiosity has been piqued, here's an earlier and more detailed story. The only reason he needs the permit is for purchasing. He cannot use the gun unassisted; it's mounted to his chair and aimed/fired with a "sip and puff" device similar to the ones quadriplegics use to control wheelchairs.

The most interesting thing is that he isn't the only physically disabled hunter. In previous cases, judges have allowed the disabled to buy hunting weapons and hunt under supervision and with special equipment.

In 1994, a Morris County judge gave a legally blind Rockaway Township man permission to buy guns and shoot under supervision.

In 2007, an appeals court said a partially paralyzed East Brunswick man could obtain a permit to hunt and shoot targets provided he go with other shooters and use special equipment.

Jerry McCusker, president of the Spruce Run chapter of the National Wild Turkey Federation -- a wildlife conservation and hunting organization -- said his group includes 25 disabled members. Each year, he said, his group coordinates with the Hunterdon County Parks Division to hold a whitetail deer hunt for the disabled.
 
2009-11-11 11:24:08 AM  
I don't have a problem with gun ownership at all. But this guy could sneeze and take out everyone in the vicinity.
 
2009-11-11 11:25:10 AM  
nekom: What could possibly go wrong?

He could sneeze and take out 15 people.
 
2009-11-11 11:26:25 AM  
UberDave: I don't have a problem with gun ownership at all. But this guy could sneeze and take out everyone in the vicinity.

AHHHH DAMN you.

Ok "What could possible go wrong"

Nothing. But it will make people think twice before parking in a handicapped space without a tag.
 
2009-11-11 11:31:45 AM  
MasterThief: dittybopper: I don't see how this should have even been an issue: Unless the guy isn't actually qualified to own a firearm due to him being a felon, or one of the other narrow exceptions, he's got just as much a right as you or I.

Not sure about that. In Heller, the majority specifically noted that some kinds of restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms were permissible, including "laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms." Given that the right was originally given to "the militia" - citizens capable of bearing arms for individual or collective self-defense - I would say that not allowing people who are physically incapable of using a gun safely (i.e. people who are visually or physically handicapped) could be denied a permit to have one. However, since permits are a matter of administrative law, there's an inherent balancing test between a person's right and the state's interest, and for something that's a matter of Constitutional right the state must prove its interest outweighs a person's right. This guy's permit seems to be about hunting only, and as long as he's going hunting with some other licensed hunter who can take responsibility for the gun, the state's interest seems weak.

/Yes, I am a huge nerd on this subject, how could you tell?
//Getting an article I wrote on the Second Amendment published in March of next year


I disagree: While one of the purposes of the Second Amendment was to ensure the continuation of the militia as an effective military force, the right was never limited to just those who could be expected to serve in the militia. To quote the court:

"The prefatory clause does not suggest that preserving the militia was the only reason Americans valued the ancient right; most undoubtedly thought it even more important for self-defense and hunting. But the threat that the new Federal Government would destroy the citizens' militia by taking away their arms was the reason that right-unlike some other English rights-was codified in a written Constitution."


In Heller, the court also said "Under any of the standards of scrutiny that we have applied to enumerated constitutional rights,27 banning from the home "the most preferred firearm in the nation to 'keep' and use for protection of one's home and family," 478 F. 3d, at 400, would fail constitutional muster."

I suspect that banning quadriplegics from owning hunting rifles, or even banning a specific quadriplegic, would also fail constitutional muster, absent some other condition that prevents them from firearms ownership (like being a felon, etc.).
 
2009-11-11 11:41:59 AM  
El Chode: dittybopper: We aren't talking about a handgun. We're talking about a rifle.

And it offends my senses that an adult needs to get the permission of the local law enforcement to buy a rifle, and that said law enforcement can deny that ability for something like this.

Doesn't matter, having the rifle in your car is still grounds for prosecution, though if you have it unloaded with the ammo out of reach and explain to the officer that you just purchased it and still have your 24 hour permit, you're usually in the clear.


It's even worse than that: NJ cops have been known to ignore federal law that overrides NJ state law.
 
2009-11-11 11:51:30 AM  
A breathing tube? briliant...and here I've been messing with trigger systems on the wheels!


/may have lost a few fingers trying
 
2009-11-11 11:53:50 AM  
Stage 1 Satus: COMPLETE.


Stage 2 Status: IN PROGRESS (See Fig. 1).


i105.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-11 11:54:34 AM  
Hollywood Cole: Nothing. But it will make people think twice before parking in a handicapped space without a tag.


Lulz.

/Good for him.
//Good for the judge.
 
2009-11-11 12:00:37 PM  
So when he gets depressed about his life and decides to take out all the folks at the disabled center, they better pray for an asthma attack.
 
2009-11-11 12:23:47 PM  
www.freakingnews.com

That's how he rolls
 
2009-11-11 12:25:50 PM  
thetravis4.com

You pull that thing out on me pendejo, and I'll take it away and stick it up your ass and pull the trigger 'til it goes *Click*
 
2009-11-11 12:26:16 PM  
He's probably heard the "how do you fark a quadriplegic....tossing in the ocean" joke a few too many times.
/it's payback time.
 
2009-11-11 12:26:28 PM  
Here's his chair
blog.rednecklaughs.com
/hot as lead
 
2009-11-11 12:28:28 PM  
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This is good news, because it's sure to add to MC Hawking's street cred once he's got TWO on his chair.
 
2009-11-11 12:29:05 PM  
Doesn't anyone read the articles anymore?

The guy wants to go hunting. Someone has apparently volunteered to help him.

What I can't figure out is why he needs to buy a gun. It's not like he's going to get a lot of use out of it. Why doesn't he just borrow one and tell the local authorities to pee up a rope?
 
2009-11-11 12:29:11 PM  
I couldn't find a good pic of the guy from Smokin' Aces in the wheelchair. My Google-fu has failed . . .
 
2009-11-11 12:30:47 PM  
I generally hold my breath when I fire. This guy will have to focus, that's for sure.
 
2009-11-11 12:31:09 PM  
dofus: Doesn't anyone read the articles anymore?

You must be new here.

i48.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-11 12:33:01 PM  
dofus: Doesn't anyone read the articles anymore?

The guy wants to go hunting. Someone has apparently volunteered to help him.

What I can't figure out is why he needs to buy a gun. It's not like he's going to get a lot of use out of it. Why doesn't he just borrow one and tell the local authorities to pee up a rope?


He wants to go hunting more than once. I'm a nice guy, generally, but I don't lend out guns on a permanent basis, and I don't know anyone who does.
 
2009-11-11 12:33:53 PM  
I want to party with that guy.

/And stay safely behind him
 
2009-11-11 12:34:10 PM  
Ahh-Ahh-Choo-BANG!
 
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