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(The News & Observer (NC))   Problem: kids selling candy didn't raise much money for their middle school last year. Solution: sell grades instead   (newsobserver.com) divider line 95
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2009-11-11 08:32:05 AM  
Susie Shepherd, the principal, said a parent advisory council came up with the idea, and she endorsed it.

I'm going to pretend that they had this meeting in a tiny, airtight room, and that hypoxia induced delusions were responsible for multiple adult human beings thinking this was even remotely a good idea.

Because without this fantasy, I might have to go find a desk to bang my head on repeatedly until the stupid goes away, and I'm pretty sure the owner of that desk would find that intrusive.
 
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2009-11-11 08:41:00 AM  
Drew, I'll pay $2 to raise that FAIL tag to a PASS.
 
2009-11-11 08:51:50 AM  
that's as stupid as paying $5 a month to talk about the news
 
2009-11-11 09:25:53 AM  
Yeah, this is all part of the budget problem. The state had to make some pretty heinous cuts in the education and health & welfare departments. At least the state was able to pass a budget and not run out of money, so we're a step ahead of Pennsylvania and New York. There's one little bumfark town in our county that ran out of money though; they're in deep shiat until the end of the year.
 
2009-11-11 10:18:56 AM  
SushiJoe: that's as stupid as paying $5 a month to talk about the news

I spend $5 a month to quote posts and say "This!"
 
2009-11-11 10:31:44 AM  
Does the top seller get to be valedictorian?

Their general assemblies must look like Amway revival-style meetings.
 
2009-11-11 10:35:39 AM  
Many children care about their grades but don't have the particular brand of intelligence to get high grades on tests.
This system gives those children a fair chance to score well, and the proceeds benefit everyone.
 
2009-11-11 10:40:40 AM  
baby dinosaurs: Many children care about their grades but don't have the particular brand of intelligence to get high grades on tests.
This system gives those children a fair chance to score well, and the proceeds benefit everyone.


Except:

1) That's not why they're doing it
2) It eliminates any semblance of objective standards
3) It tells kids that if something is hard, they can just avoid it
 
2009-11-11 10:57:59 AM  
Diogenes: Except:
1) That's not why they're doing it
2) It eliminates any semblance of objective standards
3) It tells kids that if something is hard, they can just avoid it


Most tests being administered in public schools are only "objective standards" for particular facets of intelligence. Children need to learn that every task has multiple solutions, ones that don't necessarily depend on rote memorization or strong spacial skills.
 
2009-11-11 11:02:07 AM  
baby dinosaurs: Most tests being administered in public schools are only "objective standards" for particular facets of intelligence. Children need to learn that every task has multiple solutions, ones that don't necessarily depend on rote memorization or strong spacial skills.

Avoidance is not a solution. And I don't agree with the "multiple intelligences" idea that's gaining popularity with some of our educators.
 
2009-11-11 11:30:45 AM  
Leave no student behind!
 
2009-11-11 11:31:08 AM  
baby dinosaurs: Many children care about their grades but don't have the particular brand of intelligence to get high grades on tests.
This system gives those children a fair chance to score well, and the proceeds benefit everyone.


I can't believe people are biting on this.
 
2009-11-11 11:32:22 AM  
Actually, this will prepare them for a career in politics (new window).
 
2009-11-11 11:33:04 AM  
Snarfangel: SushiJoe: that's as stupid as paying $5 a month to talk about the news

I spend $5 a month to quote posts and say "This!"


This.
 
2009-11-11 11:34:21 AM  
Extra points on two tests won't make a difference in a student's final grade, she said.

These are educators saying stupid sh*t like this. Did they take math? If a kid is on the verge of failing those two tests could make the difference between passing and failing, so of course they make a difference.

/massive facepalm needed
 
2009-11-11 11:34:36 AM  
baby dinosaurs: Many children care about their grades but don't have the particular brand of intelligence to get high grades on tests.
This system gives those children a fair chance to score well, and the proceeds benefit everyone.


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2009-11-11 11:35:19 AM  
foo monkey: baby dinosaurs: Many children care about their grades but don't have the particular brand of intelligence to get high grades on tests.
This system gives those children a fair chance to score well, and the proceeds benefit everyone.

I can't believe people are biting on this.


I have a friend who is a K-5 teacher. Several of her peers would agree with that.

It's the illogical extension of "Multiple Intelligences.
 
2009-11-11 11:36:38 AM  
But Garland said exchanging grades for money teaches children the wrong lessons

Well tickle me purple! Someone slap a muzzle on his obligatory arse!
 
2009-11-11 11:37:00 AM  
foo monkey: baby dinosaurs: Many children care about their grades but don't have the particular brand of intelligence to get high grades on tests.
This system gives those children a fair chance to score well, and the proceeds benefit everyone.

I can't believe people are biting on this.


I know, eh? She is doing exceptionally well. She certainly didn't just buy her grades in troll school!
 
2009-11-11 11:37:01 AM  
Diogenes: baby dinosaurs: Many children care about their grades but don't have the particular brand of intelligence to get high grades on tests.
This system gives those children a fair chance to score well, and the proceeds benefit everyone.

Except:

1) That's not why they're doing it
2) It eliminates any semblance of objective standards
3) It tells kids that if something is hard, they can just avoid it


www.caboyachts.com

Dude, go get more caffeine or something. You're better than this.
 
2009-11-11 11:37:07 AM  
To be honest, this will teach them more about how the world works than most of their lessons.
 
2009-11-11 11:38:41 AM  
Snarfangel: SushiJoe: that's as stupid as paying $5 a month to talk about the news

I spend $5 a month to quote posts and say "This!"


This!
 
2009-11-11 11:40:14 AM  
FTA: "Shepherd rejected the suggestion that the school is selling grades. Extra points on two tests won't make a difference in a student's final grade, she said."

We aren't selling grades, because we aren't selling a LOT of grades.
 
2009-11-11 11:40:46 AM  
God DAMN teachers are stupid.
 
2009-11-11 11:40:52 AM  
Okay, 1) this is a retarded way to raise money, but 2) wtf is a 'high tech blackboard'? Is a regular blackboard not good enough? Because that's what they used on me all the way through grad school. There were people getting PhD's with a regular old blackboard. If this is what schools are buying with their money, it's no wonder their end product is suffering.
 
2009-11-11 11:43:41 AM  
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2009-11-11 11:45:29 AM  
Savage Bacon: Walker: Extra points on two tests won't make a difference in a student's final grade, she said.

These are educators saying stupid sh*t like this. Did they take math? If a kid is on the verge of failing those two tests could make the difference between passing and failing, so of course they make a difference.

/massive facepalm needed

There ya go!


That's more of a palm face.
 
2009-11-11 11:46:31 AM  
 
2009-11-11 11:49:05 AM  
Diogenes: baby dinosaurs: Many children care about their grades but don't have the particular brand of intelligence to get high grades on tests.
This system gives those children a fair chance to score well, and the proceeds benefit everyone.

Except:

1) That's not why they're doing it
2) It eliminates any semblance of objective standards
3) It tells kids that if something is hard, they can just avoid it


Nah

It tells them if you spend enough money correctly your problems will go away. This is a very valuable and accurate lesson. Also, there are very few objective standards in the "real world".
 
2009-11-11 11:49:56 AM  
It's Goldsboro, so that explains quite a bit. Not the brightest section of North Carolina. Good barbeque though.

You should be afraid, these people have access to a major Air Force base, Seymour Johnson. (It's right down the road from the Mike Hunt Marine Corps base).
 
2009-11-11 11:51:30 AM  
Shepherd, the Rosewood principal, said her school needs more technology. She said any money raised would help buy digital cameras for the school's computer lab and a high-tech blackboard.

Gah, I tired of hearing this crap.

For every problem in education, somehow technology is the answers. Sorry to break it to the saledrones, but its not.

The biggest problem I have is not with the technology itself, its with the implementation. In nearly every case I have seen, this new technology is bought and adopted with NO PLAN. Sure they plan out the installs of the new $7000 interactive whiteboard, but they don't plan out training the farking teachers. They don't FORCE the teacher to learn and use it. So these quite advanced pieces of equipment become expensive power point viewers and DVD projectors.

I saw this when they had to put PCs in the every classroom. Sure its great that the kids can work on papers. But when you don't give the kids network space, lock out removable media and severely restrict who can print, WHAT IS THE FARKING POINT? I guess the kids can still browse the web at select 'educational sites'. Great.

Rant off...
 
2009-11-11 11:51:41 AM  
I don't see why people are complaining about this, the school is teaching the vital lesson that if chocolate doesn't fix a problem try money instead. I look forward to next year's door-to-door vodka sales.
 
2009-11-11 11:52:08 AM  
baby dinosaurs: Many children care about their grades but don't have the particular brand of intelligence to get high grades on tests.
This system gives those children a fair chance to score well, and the proceeds benefit everyone.


I don't see why it matters. Rich idiots will always get into good schools and get high positions in Daddy's business anyways. And we need the poor idiots to get bad grades so they're stuck digging the ditches.

In all seriousness, though, as deeply flawed as "education" is these days (in Canada and the US), selling grades is just wrong. I don't care if it's just a fraction of a percent, good grades should come from handing in good work, and nothing else. Everyone is equal, but we are not all equally good at everything. This is why we have Gym classes.
 
2009-11-11 11:52:10 AM  
Psssst -- Hey, Bud... c'mere.

www.nytmare.org
 
2009-11-11 11:52:42 AM  
At least they're being honest.
They bought the votes that got them the job.
/gonna go kick a mini van.
 
2009-11-11 11:53:01 AM  
ThunderChicken: Snarfangel: SushiJoe: that's as stupid as paying $5 a month to talk about the news

I spend $5 a month to quote posts and say "This!"

This!


Free This!!
 
2009-11-11 11:55:49 AM  
When I read the headline, I envisioned some scenario where students go door to door asking their neighbors to "sponsor" them much like you would ask a neighbor to sponsor you for a race or something. You know, when your school would have some kind of competitive event and you'd ask your neighbor to pledge like, a dollar for every hundred X you performed. Same scenario, but instead your neighbor is pledging for every high mark you receive.

This is a system I could support - but then I read the article and my palm actually attempted to pass through my face and exit the back of my skull.
 
2009-11-11 11:56:07 AM  
A better plan would include an option for a student to pay to have points subtracted from another student's tests. Put those farking elitist egghead curve-pusher mathletes in their place. Now if you'll excuse me coach needs me on the practice field in 26 minutes.
 
2009-11-11 11:59:17 AM  
Please. People should get off their high horse. This is a culture where pretty much everything is commodified, so why not grades?
 
2009-11-11 11:59:19 AM  
Have they tried selling weed? I hear there's a market for that.
 
2009-11-11 12:01:30 PM  
Prank Call of Cthulhu: A better plan would include an option for a student to pay to have points subtracted from another student's tests. Put those farking elitist egghead curve-pusher mathletes in their place. Now if you'll excuse me coach needs me on the practice field in 26 minutes.

I know your being snarky, but I'd like to say that grading on a curve is pretty farking ridiculous in pretty much any circumstance. (Disregarding the fact that grading is inherently subjective etc... etc...)
 
2009-11-11 12:06:33 PM  
TheStag: Okay, 1) this is a retarded way to raise money, but 2) wtf is a 'high tech blackboard'? Is a regular blackboard not good enough? Because that's what they used on me all the way through grad school. There were people getting PhD's with a regular old blackboard. If this is what schools are buying with their money, it's no wonder their end product is suffering.

High tech blackboards are AWESOME. I will not have you insulting my Promethean board.

This is a lot like Hat Day. Wearing hats in the building is wrong, unless you pay the school a dollar. Changing test scores is wrong, unless you pay 20 dollars.
 
2009-11-11 12:09:35 PM  
My wife's school choir raised hundreds more by not selling anything at all. They just asked for donations. Turns out, people don't really want $12 boxes of mediocre chocolates and crappy wrapping paper. They're much more willing to drop a $20 in an envelope knowing it ALL goes to the choir.
 
2009-11-11 12:10:46 PM  
Prank Call of Cthulhu: A better plan would include an option for a student to pay to have points subtracted from another student's tests. Put those farking elitist egghead curve-pusher mathletes in their place. Now if you'll excuse me coach needs me on the practice field in 26 minutes.

someone is a little bitter that the mathletes are making more money than he is.
 
2009-11-11 12:12:04 PM  
TheStag: Okay, 1) this is a retarded way to raise money, but 2) wtf is a 'high tech blackboard'? Is a regular blackboard not good enough? Because that's what they used on me all the way through grad school. There were people getting PhD's with a regular old blackboard. If this is what schools are buying with their money, it's no wonder their end product is suffering.

#1 Whiteboards are cheaper than traditional chalkboards
#2 Whiteboards do not leave chalk particles in the air waiting to be sucked into modern technology like laptops, projectors, etc
#3 The "hi-tech" blackboard is basically a whiteboard with some sensors put on the markers so that a computer can create a digital copy of what is written on the board. That image can be stored and disseminated to students, say in the form of a powerpoint presentation.
 
2009-11-11 12:14:34 PM  
UNC_Samurai: Yeah, this is all part of the budget problem. The state had to make some pretty heinous cuts in the education and health & welfare departments. At least the state was able to pass a budget and not run out of money, so we're a step ahead of Pennsylvania and New York. There's one little bumfark town in our county that ran out of money though; they're in deep shiat until the end of the year.

State makes huge cuts.

School & teachers do something inappropriate to raise money that also brings attention to the big cuts.

Potentially brilliant.
 
2009-11-11 12:14:37 PM  
GreySpectre: someone is a little bitter that the mathletes are making more money than he is.

I think you didn't see what I did there. Actually, I was the kid whose grades the others would have been paying to reduce.
 
2009-11-11 12:17:01 PM  
GreySpectre: Prank Call of Cthulhu: A better plan would include an option for a student to pay to have points subtracted from another student's tests. Put those farking elitist egghead curve-pusher mathletes in their place. Now if you'll excuse me coach needs me on the practice field in 26 minutes.

someone is a little bitter that the mathletes are making more money than he is.


Most of the PhDs I know do not make much in comparison to the "Jocks" who got business degrees. Granted this is not a very scientific comparison but it is odd that 9ish years of school with a PhD does not compare financially to 5ish years with a MBA.

/Was told in graduate school that if you wanted to make money you should NOT go into research or education but try to find a corporate job
 
2009-11-11 12:18:11 PM  
Hmmm. Digital cameras, underaged girls, seems like they should be able to generate funds rather quickly.
 
2009-11-11 12:18:51 PM  
ilikeracecars:

High tech blackboards are AWESOME. I will not have you insulting my Promethean board.




Those are pretty cool. How many teachers in your school really use it to its full, or even half, of its potential. How many more just use a flipchart in place of a powerpoint (no real interactivity built in) or just as an easy way to play videos?
 
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