That's if you can even find 100% fruit juice anymore. Most of it is Sunny Delight type crap.

Fruit juice = sugar + (usually) vitamins + (sometimes) fiber

Soda = sugar + ... umm ... I got nothin'


/all things in moderation, people.

Vodka? That's how they get your vital essence.

Rain water and grain alcohol for me.

Seldom gave my kids juice (or cow's milk). The drink of preference was always water.

You know who else hated the juice?

Mentat: No. No you farkers, no. I gave up soda and I'm better for it, but you can have my fresh squeezed Florida orange juice when you pry it from my cold dead fingers. I'll team up with that annoying red-headed biatch and we'll take you all on.

My orange, grapefruit, lemon and lime trees agree with you 100%.

I swore off juice and soda a long time ago, and only drank soda water when I wanted something different. Then I got kidney stones. So it's back to scotch and water (but never at the same time).

toejam: You know who else hated the juice?

toejam: You know who else hated the juice?

subby: One researcher says a study has shown that fruit juice is just as bad for you as soda. Looks like submitter's back to having plain old vodka for breakfast

And a piece of toast.

eddyatwork 2009-11-08 10:57:41 AM That's if you can even find 100% fruit juice anymore.
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You can, but it's usually in drink-box form. Which pisses me off.

You can only find grape,orange, and apple juice in gallon containers. And I don't like all three. Everything else you have to buy individual bottles, that crappy-ass powder stuff, or drink boxes.

Plus, grape juice and that dole juice stuff gives me horrible diarrhea.

So... I usually drink fake stuff or gatorade.

ThatWomanFromMassachusetts: Soda = sugar + ... umm ... I got nothin'

Soda = sugar + jet fuel

Some juices don't have alot going for them, like apple, but some of those new exotic fruits are awesome. I love the Bolthouse Farms products myself. Once you get through a bottle of Green Goodness (tough at first) you get monster cravings for it.

eddyatwork: That's if you can even find 100% fruit juice anymore. Most of it is Sunny Delight type crap.

Where exactly do you live???

toejam: You know who else hated the juice?

He really hated the acidic juice. Lemonade rots your teeth out even faster.

I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure fructose is not the same as hight fructose corn syrup. The article says juice has fructose. Sodas have high fructose corn syrup. See this (new window).
Sorry if this is pretty obvious, but generally speaking people might drink a juice a day, but several sodas in a day. So you're loading up on high fructose corn syrup with soda, but usually only getting one or 2 servings of fructose if you drink juice.
Why do I think I know this? I used to drink as much as a 2 liter of soda a day.
Now I'm like that obnoxious ex-smoker, but instead with sodas, pointing out how bad sodas are for you. :-) Like this (new window).

Didn't rtfa, but I'm going to guess that the "fruit juice" that was studied had water and high fructose corn syrup listed as the first two ingredients. If that's the case, then of course it's no better for you. I almost bought such a case of fruit-flavored sugar water at the store the other day, but I had sense enough to look at the label first. Right next to it was a carton of minute maid, ingredients: 100% orange juice.

Moral of the story: have some sense, know what you're buy, and you'll be fine

wee: Seltzer. Water and CO2, nothing else. Had two cans already this morning!

If you have decent tap water, get the Sodastream -- it's totally worth it.

(However, I advise against using the Sodastream to turn wine into bubbly...)

You all are amateurs; I wake up to some Tito's Handmade Vodka in a Brita Filter. Breakfast of champions.

/just wants people to like her

gustex: I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure fructose is not the same as hight fructose corn syrup. The article says juice has fructose. Sodas have high fructose corn syrup. See this (new window).
Sorry if this is pretty obvious, but generally speaking people might drink a juice a day, but several sodas in a day. So you're loading up on high fructose corn syrup with soda, but usually only getting one or 2 servings of fructose if you drink juice.
Why do I think I know this? I used to drink as much as a 2 liter of soda a day.
Now I'm like that obnoxious ex-smoker, but instead with sodas, pointing out how bad sodas are for you. :-) Like this (new window).

I've got news for you: a calorie is a calorie. Fructose is fructose. Just because it's one step closer to something natural doesn't mean it won't make you fat. Thermodynamics is cruel.

/Is still looking for the 'real killer'

gustex: I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure fructose is not the same as hight fructose corn syrup.

Fructose is fructose. Fruit juice is pretty much just sugar and water - empty calories with no real nutrition. There may be some minor benefit from vitamins, but those are usually added anyway. As a type 2 diabetic I have to avoid it at all costs.

Re. Strange Q's post:

Wow, I see sodium benzoate all the time in ingredients lists. I am a total diet soda addict too. I lose weight when I quit drinking it because I don't get sugar cravings and have nightime food binges as often. I'm going to have to read more about this. I'd heard bad stuff about brominated vegetable oil used in orange sodas in a book I have called Ultrametabolism that a doctor referred me to.

Are they just talking about those new Fruitopia-like drinks, or just the plain Tropicana juice?

Here's an excerpt from the article that nobody is reading:

A glass of juice concentrates all the sugar from several pieces of fruit. Ounce per ounce, it contains more calories than soda, though it tends to be consumed in smaller servings. A cup of orange juice has 112 calories, apple juice has 114, and grape juice packs 152, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. The same amount of Coke has 97 calories, and Pepsi has 100.

And just like soft drinks, juice is rich in fructose -- the simple sugar that does the most to make food sweet.

UC Davis scientist Kimber Stanhope has found that consuming high levels of fructose increases risk factors for heart disease and Type 2 diabetes because it is converted into fat by the liver more readily than glucose. Her studies suggest that it doesn't matter whether the fructose is from soda or juice.

"Both are going to promote equal weight gain," she said, adding that she's perplexed by the fixation on the evils of sugar-sweetened beverages: "Why are they the only culprit?"


It's all about the glycemic index. All calories are not created equally. For a mind-numbingly comprehensive treatment of this, see Good Calories, Bad Calories.

Well, duh.

Where do you think the sugar comes from in the first place? It's all fruit. Well, most likely corn, so call it a veggie if it makes you happy. So it should be even better for you. Eat your veggies!

Did you really think that because it's "natural" that makes it good for you? Strychnine and Cyanide are "natural".

The soda is HFCS55 (fructose/glucose) or Sucrose (good luck finding that in a US walmart except at Passover!).

All of these sugars will make you fat, tired, and diabetic if you consume too much too fast, too often.

The diabetic candies are fun, though, if you put them in the regular candy dish and let the munchers pig out on them.

Maltitol has a rather entertaining effect, if you're into that sort of humor (which I certainly am!) when it reaches the bacteria in the lower GI.

Sure, if all you consider is pure calories. But anyone who thinks it's that simple shouldn't be writing a health column. Fruit juice is also full of vitamins and all sorts of things that are good for you. Soda is full of all sorts of stuff that are bad for you.

I always check ingredients. If I want juice it better be juice not "natural flavors". I drink Trader Joe's Juice because I like it not because it's healthy. I never want to drink a lot of it because it's rather thick in comparison to tea (flavored water), water, and soda. The only good think about NYC is that I can get fresh fruit juice, of course it's expensive as heck so I don't get it all the time.

/drinks soda
//bigger tea drinker (straight and no 'herbal' ones either just black and green)
///use whitening toothpaste

Beer's still okay.

NannyStatePark: love the Bolthouse Farms products myself.

That stuff is crack. The pomegranate stuff they sell under some other name tastes like the color purple. I'd drink gallons of it if I didn't think it would make me puke.

Does this study include pickle juice? Because if it does, I'm going to be very upset.

eddyatwork: That's if you can even find 100% fruit juice anymore. Most of it is Sunny Delight type crap.

You sound like you've never been to the organic section of the store.

A friend left a bottle of Pepsi in my fridge and I noticed the sugar content/calories was about the same as my orange juice. Orange juice tastes much better tho. Pepsi tastes like a toy drink. Like the difference between a Mickey D's Egg McMuffin and one you make at home with honey ham and swiss on a whole wheat muffin..


/still love those mickey d emm's on the way to the slopes
//still love those colas with a burger

seriously? this is news?

also, anything that isn't 100% juice (APPLE JUICE CONCENTRATE DOES NOT COUNT), shouldn't be allowed to market itself as fruit juice, and should be considered the same as soda.

however, 100% fruit juice (not including apple juice) is fine in moderation, and can actually be an important part of a healthy diet, especially if its difficult to get a variety of fruits during the winter in your area. For example, around here, right now the only local stuff is apples, apples, and more apples. We also get some oranges, and some stuff imported from South America. But cranberry juice, blueberry juice, grape juice, etc, can provide a variety of nutrients you don't get from apples and oranges.
However, drink them out of a JUICE GLASS. Juice glasses from amazon: Link (new window)
they're 5 to 8 oz glasses, and 8 is pushing it. aka, drink around 4 to 6 oz of juice, NOT WATER GLASSES Link (new window) (ok, so those are labeled as iced tea glasses, but you get the point. They're 16 to 22oz glasses.


Drink 100% fruit juice in small amounts (around 5oz) as part of a varied and healthy diet. No apple juice, or things with a large amount of apple juice making up that 100% juice

there. sensibility.