This just in: Obama made the sun rise this morning.

FTFA: "Late Friday, House Democrats cleared an abortion-related impasse blocking a vote..."

I read that as 'abortion-related impasse blocking a road

Very confused.

/Is off to set a snare for the caffeine beast

bluelancer03: This just in: Obama made the sun rise this morning.

But he didn't make it rise in the west. HE'S NOT DOING ENOUGH

Saturdays for Congresscritters means triple martinis for lunch. I'll be riveted to C-SPAN this afternoon for sure.

I am sure all the libs think he did make the sun rise. But in reality, he has done NOTHING.

Thanks for waking everyone up Obama, YOU COCK!

Yes, great idea Pelosi, you dumbass!
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PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats' Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009


Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain "acceptable health insurance coverage" and who choose not to pay the bill's new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: "This is the ultimate example of the Democrats' command-and-control style of governing - buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately."

Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

"H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax." [page 1]

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"If the government determines that the taxpayer's unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply..." [page 2]

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"Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 - misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 - felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years." [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

"The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi's decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare," said Camp.

According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker's bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.

Ever since FDR and his socialist cronies instituted the 5 day work week, this country has gone down hill. We have encouraged laziness, and our national productivity has never and will never recover until we defeat this socialism and allow honest, hard-working Americans to do an honest day's work for an honest day's wage every day of the week.

glassa: Yes, great idea Pelosi, you dumbass!
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PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats' Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009


Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI)

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Sorry, chicken little, but the Republicans have been releasing so much scare mongering BS lately that even if what you posted is true, NOBODY is going to read it, much less believe it now.

Lost Thought 00: Ever since FDR and his socialist cronies instituted the 5 day work week, this country has gone down hill. We have encouraged laziness, and our national productivity has never and will never recover until we defeat this socialism and allow honest, hard-working Americans to do an honest day's work for an honest day's wage every day of the week.

Why you forgettin' the sixteen-hour work day, Bolshevik? I got McCarthy and the HUAC on a red hotline right next to me, so think real careful-like.

glassa: Yes, great idea Pelosi, you dumbass!

This. I do not have nor do I want health insurance. I've only needed to see a doctor once in the last 20 years and that was for a short lived bout with clinical depression that I'm now cured of. Having to buy health insurance would be a waste for me. A time may come when I'll need it, but I'm a grown adult, not a child, I'm perfectly capable of deciding when I need health insurance. Some would say things along the lines of "what if you suddenly get hurt or sick?" Yeah, there is that possibility, but I'd rather take my chances, however foolish that may seem. My point is that I DON'T WANT IT FORCED ON ME!

Lost Thought 00: Ever since FDR and his socialist cronies instituted the 5 day work week, this country has gone down hill. We have encouraged laziness, and our national productivity has never and will never recover until we defeat this socialism and allow honest, hard-working Americans to do an honest day's work for an honest day's wage every day of the week.

I agree, also the 40 hour workweek has to go. Why limit the freedom of people to 40 hours of work before penalizing employers? People are calling for their freedom back. America wants to work honest days of however many hours their respectable employers wish, with no PENALTY for success.

Lost Thought 00: Ever since FDR and his socialist cronies instituted the 5 day work week, this country has gone down hill. We have encouraged laziness, and our national productivity has never and will never recover until we defeat this socialism and allow honest, hard-working Americans to do an honest day's work for an honest day's wage every day of the week.

His radical red cousin, TR, is even worse. Setting aside land for recreation? Keeping honest capitalists from harvesting every cubic inch of America? This country will never reach it's full productive potential until every American above the age of 10* is working an honest 18 hour shift every day for a below-subsistence wage, with heroic American troops standing by to shoot anyone who complains.

*Heroic job-creating wealthy capitalists exempted

How do I know whether or not an issue is consistently worthy of my support?

I know when printboy is reduced to communicating entirely in meaningless, non sequitur images because of his sputtering, impotent rage.

i feel like that these guys should have to work every saturday anyway...i mean important stuff doesnt only happen monday through friday...i feel like they should have to worked harder than the average american considering the importantance of their positions

Moonbarker Osbourne the Rainbow Wolf not gay: I do not have nor do I want health insurance.

Please, please, please sign a 'do not resuscitate' order and keep it on you at all times.

I sure wouldn't want that emergency room doctor forcing health care on you in the event of tragic mishap...

/farktard

Dr. Mojo PhD: How do I know whether or not an issue is consistently worthy of my support?

I know when printboy is reduced to communicating entirely in meaningless, non sequitur images because of his sputtering, impotent rage.

It's good that you've got that kind of clarity. Last November, Fark Independents^® were telling me that there was no difference between the parties and electing Obama would change nothing. Now they're saying he's changing too much...and they are going to change even more next November!

I'm so confused.

Moonbarker Osbourne the Rainbow Wolf not gay: glassa: Yes, great idea Pelosi, you dumbass!

This. I do not have nor do I want health insurance. I've only needed to see a doctor once in the last 20 years and that was for a short lived bout with clinical depression that I'm now cured of. Having to buy health insurance would be a waste for me. A time may come when I'll need it, but I'm a grown adult, not a child, I'm perfectly capable of deciding when I need health insurance. Some would say things along the lines of "what if you suddenly get hurt or sick?" Yeah, there is that possibility, but I'd rather take my chances, however foolish that may seem. My point is that I DON'T WANT IT FORCED ON ME!

Yeah, it does seem foolish. It seems foolish because it is. That's part of the problem right now. If you have a heart attack and get 500,000 in debt, go bankrupt, and can't afford to pay that back, do you know who has to? Yes, all of us, which has put us in this clusterfark of a situation. Single-payer would be ideal, but until that time comes around, quit being such a farking hazard to society. Oh, but Obama and Democrats are the bad guys! Oh, the horror of a semi-functioning and rational healthcare system!

mudbugluv: I am sure all the libs think he did make the sun rise. But in reality, he has done NOTHING.

You know how I can tell you're obvious?

Moonbarker Osbourne the Rainbow Wolf not gay: My point is that I DON'T WANT IT FORCED ON ME!

Why? You think you're invincible?

Mental hospitals are covered under Obama's plan, you know.

Sounds important when you say your going to work on Saturday!

So what were they all doing yesterday that was so important?

40yoVirgin: Moonbarker Osbourne the Rainbow Wolf not gay: I do not have nor do I want health insurance.

Please, please, please sign a 'do not resuscitate' order and keep it on you at all times.

I sure wouldn't want that emergency room doctor forcing health care on you in the event of tragic mishap...

/farktard

He's a furry. The vet can just put him down.

dopirt: glassa: Yes, great idea Pelosi, you dumbass!
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PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats' Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009


Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI)

... wall of text ...



Sorry, chicken little, but the Republicans have been releasing so much scare mongering BS lately that even if what you posted is true, NOBODY is going to read it, much less believe it now.

And in this case, actual words from the bill are released. So read it and then try to justify it.
There's no chicken little about it. But, you dismissing ACTUAL CBO info makes you a chicken shiat.

Hick: If this passes it will be the biggest govt screw you ever.

Yeah, too bad the private market didn't take care of escalating health care costs and excluded Americans decades ago, so a government solution wasn't required.

Frau Schadenfreude: glassa: Yes, great idea ....you are the dumbass

Fact Checking: you should become familiar with it. That claim is grossly exaggerated as the end result of someone deliberately not paying their taxes. The chances are very slim. Is it possible? Anything is possible but it is extremely unlikely as explained here (new window)

You believe everything those GOP idiots tell you, don't you?

No, but when the CBO says something, I tend to believe it.

DNC trolls are out in force today. I guess it makes sense. The DNC can't stand for their people to be questioned so they have to mock & belittle anyone who doesn't follow them like a lemming.

But good little children now. Just do as the DNC says and don't worry about them abusing their power. No politician would EVER do that!

//Libertarian actually. Voted for Barr. Sorry to bust your stupid little stereotype.

glassa: And in this case, actual words from the bill are released. So read it and then try to justify it.
There's no chicken little about it. But, you dismissing ACTUAL CBO info makes you a chicken shiat.

They're actually not words from the bill. As I posted in another forum to somebody who was using the exact same talking points as you:

Of course, then CDglassa looked at the actual text of the bill and found that the amendments to the Internal Revenue Code begin on page 296. He read through the section and found that it indeed starts with the implementation of a new 2.5% tax for some people. Reading further, he found that the tax does not apply to several groups of persons, including those with religious objections (VIII.A.c.5, pages 299 to 300 of the tabled bill.)

He determined that the penalties mentioned in the JCT letter are standard penalties that apply to anybody who doesn't pay his or her federal income tax, and have been around for quite some time.

He then went on to read what "acceptable coverage" meant, as per VIII.A.d.2:

- Any public option plans (VIII.A.d.2.A.)
- Any previous insurance or employer-based insurance (VIII.A.d.2.B.)
- Medicare or Medicaid membership (VIII.A.d.2.C and VIII.A.d.2.D.)
- Armed Forces coverage or VA coverage (VIII.A.d.2.E and VIII.A.d.2.F.)
- Any person who has Indian status and has medical coverage stemming from that (VIII.A.d.2.G.)
- Any person who has any other form of medical coverage (VIII.A.d.2.H.)

Since several of these categories cost less than $15,000 per year or were even free, such as Medicaid or VA coverage, it left CDglassa wondering: who exactly was not covered by any of those categories, and for the love of god why not?

Hey Printboy. Why do I see this woman as a total coxguzzler and her old man as something of an ass pounder of assexual equestrian innocents? She doesn't look at all ashamed , which is probably a good thing...but he sure does...which is probably a good thing too( or maybe he's got teh ghey).

You "Teabaggers" are a riot. I'd be really really skeeerd, if I could just stop laughing at the stoopid.

I think my formatting got a bit arked fup there, but you get the point.

High unemployment, looming new taxes and a Government takeover of healthcare...

Politically, it's all down hill from here

glassa: Yes, great idea Pelosi, you dumbass!
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PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats' Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail


Bla bla bla bla...

Tax evasion could land you in jail or with a huge fine.

Amazing. That certainly IS a big change.

Oh, wait...

glassa: The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain "acceptable health insurance coverage" and who choose not to pay the bill's new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

People who refuse to pay any tax are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including prison time.

You can buy the insurance, or you can pay the fine, but if you refuse to do both you'll be doing time.

susansto-helit: Moonbarker Osbourne the Rainbow Wolf not gay: glassa: Yes, great idea Pelosi, you dumbass!

This. I do not have nor do I want health insurance. I've only needed to see a doctor once in the last 20 years and that was for a short lived bout with clinical depression that I'm now cured of. Having to buy health insurance would be a waste for me. A time may come when I'll need it, but I'm a grown adult, not a child, I'm perfectly capable of deciding when I need health insurance. Some would say things along the lines of "what if you suddenly get hurt or sick?" Yeah, there is that possibility, but I'd rather take my chances, however foolish that may seem. My point is that I DON'T WANT IT FORCED ON ME!

Hey, congratulations! By getting treated for that bout of clinical depression under our current health insurance set up, you might have gotten yourself stuck in the pre-existing condition category and might not be able to afford private insurance even if you needed it. Unless, of course, you're an independently wealthy Rugged Individualist. Luckily for you, you clearly are. March on, keyboard warrior.

yeah he fails to grasp the idea of pre existing condition being a disqualifier. and that you can't wait until you need it to buy it. It doesn't work that way.

glassa: //Libertarian actually. Voted for Barr. Sorry to bust your stupid little stereotype.

That's actually a way funnier stereotype than anything I was thinking while skimming your post.

Hiro Nakamura: Hick: If this passes it will be the biggest govt screw you ever.

Didn't you post that exact same image in a thread a few days ago? Get some new material.

In all fairness, we all need to be reminded every now and again...

Frau Schadenfreude: Libertarian? Suuuure. Next thing you'll tell me Ron Paul is the voice of reason. Today's libertarians are newly minted from those who are too embarrassed to be associated with the Republican Party. I can't say I blame you - modern Republicans are a metric boatload of concentrated stupid.

I'm just confused somewhat on why someone would vote for Barr as a libertarian. He's the guy who brought down federal medical marijuana in 1998, was on Gingrich's task force for Drug Free America, he voted for the Patriot act, sponsored DOMA, voted to ban wiccans from serving in the military...I just...what? What the hell is wrong with you?

Government can't do anything AND land people on the moon.

/FREEDOM!

Welcome to something else we can't afford America, Hopey McMarxist will undoubtedly get his way.

I am sure this bill will do for Health Care what the Stimulus Plan did for unemployment.

Moonbarker Osbourne the Rainbow Wolf not gay: glassa: Yes, great idea Pelosi, you dumbass!

This. I do not have nor do I want health insurance. I've only needed to see a doctor once in the last 20 years and that was for a short lived bout with clinical depression that I'm now cured of. Having to buy health insurance would be a waste for me. A time may come when I'll need it, but I'm a grown adult, not a child, I'm perfectly capable of deciding when I need health insurance. Some would say things along the lines of "what if you suddenly get hurt or sick?" Yeah, there is that possibility, but I'd rather take my chances, however foolish that may seem. My point is that I DON'T WANT IT FORCED ON ME!

Rugged individual is rugged.

Now, return to your cave or private island.

Frau Schadenfreude: glassa:

No, but when the CBO says something, I tend to believe it.

//Libertarian actually. Voted for Barr. Sorry to bust your stupid little stereotype.

A) Dave Camp (R-MI) is a GOP idiot. So, yes, I guess you do believe everything he says.

B) You have proved my point in your own post. Did you even read it before you did copy/paste?

"If the government determines that the taxpayer's
unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior,
the following penalties could apply..." [page 2]

Libertarian? Suuuure. Next thing you'll tell me Ron Paul is the voice of reason. Today's libertarians are newly minted from those who are too embarrassed to be associated with the Republican Party. I can't say I blame you - modern Republicans are a metric boatload of concentrated stupid.

It's a lot better than voting for the police state Dems, you tool.

soy_bomb: I am sure this bill will do for Health Care what the Stimulus Plan did for unemployment.

Just out of curiosity, do you happen to have the numbers for actual unemployment if the stimulus hadn't been implemented?

Can you demonstrate that the stimulus actually cost more jobs than it created? Because that's the only case it could be close to a swindle. If unemployment continued to rise but is otherwise less than what it would have been, then the stimulus did, in fact, stimulate the economy.

So until you farkers can start visiting alternate realities -- and I don't mean the ones you dream up in your heads and attempt to apply to the world we live in -- and bringing back the results, you may want to learn the difference between an inaccurate estimate and an actual failure.

soy_bomb: I am sure this bill will do for Health Care what the Stimulus Plan did for unemployment.

How is that a swindle? If you consider the prediction of unemployment WITHOUT the stimulus, it becomes very clear that all that happened was that the WH very badly underestimated the downturn. That's not a swindle, that's a mistake.