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(CNN)   Fort Hood suspect Hasan went into a 7-Eleven morning of shooting to buy coffee. (With video and analysis of Hasan buying coffee at 7-Eleven.)   (cnn.com) divider line 501
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2009-11-06 11:37:00 AM
Decaf by mistake?
 
2009-11-06 11:38:16 AM
And I bet there wasn't a warning on the side of the cup that caffeine may cause insanity. Waiting for the multi-million dollar lawsuit.
 
2009-11-06 11:43:32 AM
Jesus tapdancing Christ.
 
2009-11-06 11:46:18 AM
Oh Thank Heaven.
 
2009-11-06 11:47:28 AM
FINALLY!!! The question of whether or not the shooter bought coffee is solved!! Rest easy, now, America!
 
2009-11-06 11:53:39 AM
News that matters?
 
2009-11-06 11:54:12 AM
This is an outrage! I am now going to boycott 7/11 for collaborating with a muslin terrist!
 
2009-11-06 11:56:04 AM
It's obvious we need to outlaw coffee.
 
2009-11-06 11:57:22 AM
I get coffee from the 7-11 every morning. Does that make me a terrorist sympathizer?
 
2009-11-06 12:05:23 PM
Note to supplier: Please pick up the three crates of 10oz "jihad" sized cups replace with regular 7-11 cups. KTHX
 
2009-11-06 12:05:29 PM
It was probably Hazelnut. That sh*t is nasty.
 
2009-11-06 12:06:29 PM
Zoinks!: It was probably Hazelnut. That sh*t is nasty.

Fark you, I like Hazelnut. You will pay dearly for that comment.
 
2009-11-06 12:09:02 PM
Lando Lincoln: Fark you, I like Hazelnut. You will pay dearly for that comment.

Beans Lando Lincoln with a coffee press.

/get it? Beans? Bwahahahahahaaa...
 
2009-11-06 12:09:18 PM
Michael Moore's new movie: 711: The temperature which crazy coffee burns
 
2009-11-06 12:09:28 PM
It was the Domo cup. Isn't Domo-kun a muzz?
 
2009-11-06 12:13:15 PM
Lando Lincoln: Fark you, I like Hazelnut. You will pay dearly for that comment.

My interpretation of the Koran strictly forbids hazelnut coffee. Flavored coffee is an unnatural creation and offends Allah.
 
2009-11-06 12:15:39 PM
Hey CNN, thanks for contributing to the decline of this country. Could you perhaps, find an exclusive with his dry cleaner? Or perhaps you could ask some random person on the street why they think he did this. I'm sure that's better than waiting till the military conducts an investigation.
 
2009-11-06 12:17:12 PM
he should've switched to sanka.
 
2009-11-06 12:19:41 PM
what_now: Hey CNN, thanks for contributing to the decline of this country. Could you perhaps, find an exclusive with his dry cleaner? Or perhaps you could ask some random person on the street why they think he did this. I'm sure that's better than waiting till the military conducts an investigation.

I can't rest until I know what shoes he was wearing.

If any!
 
2009-11-06 12:23:19 PM
Why did I just click on that link?

/sigh
 
2009-11-06 12:29:12 PM
Why does Domo Kun hate America?
 
2009-11-06 12:31:40 PM
Why, he was wearing clothes in the video! That means he bought clothes somewhere! Probably from a couple of different places! Unless he does all his shopping at Kohl's or something. And if he does buy his clothes at Kohl's, that means he was at a Kohl's! Sometime recently enough that he bought clothes he was still wearing! And he would have had to use his wallet! Which means he bought his wallet from another store that he was at! Unless he bought it from the Kohl's, which isn't impossible because they sell men's wallets, too! I mean, not great wallets or anything, but workable wallets! Leather ones! I think both in the trifold and bifold option! Although I don't know why anyone would want a trifold wallet! I mean, they're so bulky! Maybe that was part of the problem! Maybe he bought a trifold wallet at the Kohl's where he bought his clothes! And he didn't like his wallet! But I'm just speculating now! Stay tuned!
 
2009-11-06 12:32:31 PM
Maybe they were out of his favorite Slurpee flavor and that is what set him off.

Also, an Arab in a 7-11? that is like finding a white person in The Gap.
 
2009-11-06 12:37:00 PM
Why does the liberal media keep concentrating on fluff like this while glossing over what is undoubtedly the key factor in his mental instability?

Hasan is an avid Redskins fan.

Oh, and hazelnut sucks, unless you're talking Nutella.
 
2009-11-06 12:39:10 PM
Kitwilly: Maybe they were out of his favorite Slurpee flavor and that is what set him off.

Also, an Arab in a 7-11? that is like finding a white person in The Gap.


or a black person at Popeyes
 
2009-11-06 12:39:45 PM
I guess he noticed they secretly replaced his regular coffee with Folger's Crystals...
 
2009-11-06 12:45:44 PM
TheKnownUniverse: Hasan is an avid Redskins fan.

What a racist.
 
2009-11-06 12:51:19 PM
Another article says that he drew suspicion to himself earlier by posting that suicide bombers are the equivalent of a soldier jumping on a grenade to save their buddies.

And yet we still continue to hold grannies at the airport due to them having knitting needles.

Our government needs to wake up and stop being so obtuse about who they should be screening and detaining.
 
2009-11-06 12:51:26 PM
fliiby.com

Strange. Bob never goes on a murdering rampage after a cup of MY coffee...
 
2009-11-06 12:54:27 PM
crypticsatellite: I guess he noticed they secretly replaced his regular coffee with Folger's Crystals...

WIN

/ You youngins may not get that one
// off my lawn!
 
2009-11-06 01:03:58 PM
CNN spent SOOOOO much farking time on this...it was sad. They had a 10 minute interview with the producer who did an interview with the guy who owned the store. THEY TALKED ABOUT HIS farkING CLOTHES!!
 
2009-11-06 01:05:37 PM
crypticsatellite: I guess he noticed they secretly replaced his regular coffee with Folger's Crystals...


I feel wrong for laughing at that.
 
2009-11-06 01:07:24 PM
crypticsatellite: I guess he noticed they secretly replaced his regular coffee with Folger's Crystals...

I lol'd.
 
2009-11-06 01:18:57 PM
TheKnownUniverse: Why does the liberal media keep concentrating on fluff like this while glossing over what is undoubtedly the key factor in his mental instability?

Hasan is an avid Redskins fan.


Well, it shows he has poor judgment, anyway.

/Does 7-11 still do Fusion coffee?
 
2009-11-06 01:41:03 PM
img301.imageshack.us
 
2009-11-06 01:47:12 PM
Well, he wouldn't want to murder people DROWSY.
 
2009-11-06 01:48:17 PM
Duh. He was there meeting with the head agent of his sleeper cell. You know those "Take a penny, leave a penny" trays? That's where the 7-11 Martyrs Brigade gets their funding.
 
2009-11-06 01:54:03 PM
Duh. How did you think sleeper cells got activated?
 
2009-11-06 02:23:16 PM
Tom Cruise and Scientology has been warning us for decades about the dangers of Psychiatrists. We all laughed, called them a cult, and maybe even put on a Guy Fawkes mask and threw a party in front of a Scientology owned building.

But who's laughing now?

Time to lock up all the Psychiatrists and have the government buy e-meters for all their patients.
 
2009-11-06 02:23:45 PM
HASAN SHOP!
 
2009-11-06 02:30:47 PM
That's funny, Hasan never has a second cup at home....
 
2009-11-06 02:37:02 PM
I'm calling homeland security if I ever see an Arab in a 7-11 from now on.
 
2009-11-06 03:10:21 PM
img262.imageshack.us
 
2009-11-06 03:11:57 PM
crypticsatellite: I guess he noticed they secretly replaced his regular coffee with Folger's Crystals...

I came here not knowing what joke I was looking for...this was it!
 
2009-11-06 03:23:17 PM
7/11 EMPOWERS TERRORISTS!
 
2009-11-06 03:42:02 PM
I love the 24hour news cycle. Quick find something new....he drank coffee....Can we confirm that?.....Check.....Air it Danno!
 
2009-11-06 04:04:10 PM
But did he go bowling?
 
2009-11-06 04:05:16 PM
So does anyone really think that army is going to do anything about mental health or are the gonna chalk it up to "sekrit Mooslum"?
 
2009-11-06 04:05:24 PM
Know who else bought coffee at 7-11?

photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2009-11-06 04:05:30 PM
OW MY FOOT YOU LOUSY STUPID CLUMSY...
 
2009-11-06 04:05:53 PM
He's wearing traditional morning coffee garb.
 
2009-11-06 04:05:54 PM
I bet Maj. Hasan took a shiat at some point too.

Taking a shiat must be a terrorist action.
 
2009-11-06 04:06:13 PM
No big deal. If I was planning to shoot a bunch of people I'd probably start the morning with a nice, hot coffee. Or a few beers. Most likely beer, but coffee would be my second choice.
 
2009-11-06 04:06:18 PM
Hagbardr, NOW it all makes sense.
 
2009-11-06 04:06:56 PM
APPROVES
http://tinyurl.com/yf45fmm
(copy and paste)
 
2009-11-06 04:07:02 PM
cherryhill.injersey.com
 
2009-11-06 04:08:07 PM
You people are missing the big picture here. This isn't just about the coffee. It's about the coffee and the hashbrowns. The hashbrowns are the key to this whole case. Don't let the mainstream media distract you by discussing his coffee, focus on the important stuff, his hashbrowns.
 
2009-11-06 04:08:44 PM
everydayyeah.com
 
2009-11-06 04:08:58 PM
I know I just can't concentrate on my killing sprees until I've had a good, strong cup of coffee.
 
2009-11-06 04:08:59 PM
just as always suspected 7 eleven is a cell
 
2009-11-06 04:09:33 PM
STOP THE PRESS
 
2009-11-06 04:09:36 PM
Just like Obama said, let's not jump to conclusions here. Just because the guy shouted allah akbar and then killed 13 innocent people that doesn't mean it was motivated by government health care.
 
2009-11-06 04:09:38 PM
If he had stuck with the "Hot Coffee" from Grand Theft Auto this would have never happened.
 
2009-11-06 04:09:49 PM
Stop using this fark-face's name.
 
2009-11-06 04:09:52 PM
steklo: Know who else bought coffee at 7-11?

Jesus?
 
2009-11-06 04:10:04 PM
Why does 7-11 hate America ?
 
2009-11-06 04:10:07 PM
I thought it was a Falafel House.

/dang muslin
 
2009-11-06 04:10:26 PM
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2009-11-06 04:10:32 PM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

Came for this, leaving satisfied.

/Mine mine all mine!
 
2009-11-06 04:10:33 PM
Tom_Slick: I love the 24hour news cycle. Quick find something new....he drank coffee....Can we confirm that?.....Check.....Air it Danno!

There, FTFY.
 
2009-11-06 04:10:40 PM
TheKnownUniverse: Oh, and hazelnut sucks, unless you're talking Nutella.

BEHEAD those who insult hazelnut!
 
2009-11-06 04:10:55 PM
the store clerk was reported as having said "I'm not even supposed to be here today"
 
2009-11-06 04:11:13 PM
I love 7-11 coffee. Only place were I can get 64 ounces of coffee for 1.49, my Thermos is that big. I use to have a 52 ounce cofee cup I bought from there but it broke.
 
2009-11-06 04:11:16 PM
Did we decide if he was Muslim yet?
 
2009-11-06 04:11:46 PM
He ordered it with 'half and half'.

CLEARLY a connection to OBAMA!
 
2009-11-06 04:11:50 PM
sweetmelissa31: I get coffee from the 7-11 every morning. Does that make me a terrorist sympathizer?

Kinda *shrugs*
 
2009-11-06 04:11:58 PM
Hasan drank coffee.
Coffee beans are picked by Juan Valdez.
Juan Valdez is a terrorist.
Back to you in the newsroom.

//CNN, FOX, MSNBC, and especially MTV - FARK off
 
2009-11-06 04:12:04 PM
Il Douchey: It was the Domo cup. Isn't Domo-kun a muzz?


Lulz...that's the first thing I thought of.
 
2009-11-06 04:12:30 PM
domo
 
2009-11-06 04:13:01 PM
www.wpix.com
 
2009-11-06 04:13:24 PM
WHY do we have muslim terrorists in our own army, to begin with?
 
2009-11-06 04:13:26 PM
liquidlen: Decaf by mistake?

Home run, my good man.
 
2009-11-06 04:13:47 PM
Kygz: Stop using this fark-face's name.

Yes, from now on, we will refer to him as Terrorist McIslam
 
2009-11-06 04:14:03 PM
Well, now we know his motive. He got his coffee, got in his car, drove away, went "sniff sniff... what the? Maple syrup? Did someone spill maple syrup in my coffee?" When he drove back and was informed that it was flavor the month, hazelnut crunch, the kid behind the counter refused to pull his pants up. Then he just lost it.

/Leary never gets old
 
2009-11-06 04:14:04 PM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

lol
 
2009-11-06 04:14:11 PM
RockIsDead: He ordered it with 'half and half'.

CLEARLY a connection to OBAMA!


Alright that was funny.
 
2009-11-06 04:14:23 PM
poot_rootbeer: OW MY FOOT YOU LOUSY STUPID CLUMSY...

Big shoes to fill....big shoes to fill....big shoes to....
 
2009-11-06 04:14:38 PM
BlorfMaster: Did we decide if he was Muslim yet?

He was, but that had nothing to do with claiming that muslim suicide bombers are heroes. Also when he screamed allah akbar before he opened fire, that was only because he thought it was just a cold blooded thing to say to a motherfarker before he popped a cap in his ass.
 
2009-11-06 04:14:41 PM
No one has said Religion of Peace yet?

Wow. I am pretty sure this dude winds up getting executed by military tribunal or whatever the hell they do. I hope that chick shot him in the balls.
 
2009-11-06 04:14:41 PM
/old news is old
 
2009-11-06 04:14:50 PM
BlorfMaster: Did we decide if he was Muslim yet?

I don't think it's been decided for us yet. We're giving a sufficient amount of time before we'll be told whether to be saddened by this "incident" or angry and hurt because this was part of another Bush failure in the war on terror.

If only Bush had kicked him out of the army before he left office!
 
2009-11-06 04:15:01 PM
apotheosis27: domo

Domo?

www.hyphenmagazine.com

/hot, unlike 7-11 coffee
 
2009-11-06 04:15:07 PM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

Icee what you did there. It was Daffy.
www.animationusa.com
 
2009-11-06 04:15:35 PM
THIS COFFEE ISN'T BLACK. RAHHHHHGGH
 
2009-11-06 04:15:43 PM
The religion of peace
 
2009-11-06 04:15:54 PM
The real question is.. did he get a domo kun cup?
 
2009-11-06 04:16:05 PM
 
2009-11-06 04:16:05 PM
sweetmelissa31: I get coffee from the 7-11 every morning. Does that make me a terrorist sympathizer?

no but it dose make you a poor judge of good coffee......

/keed
 
2009-11-06 04:16:11 PM
reported: This is an outrage! I am now going to boycott 7/11 for collaborating with a muslin terrist!

oh no! a sheet terrorist! I just knew those cloth makers would get us in the end.
 
2009-11-06 04:16:27 PM
I started to watch this last night when they had it on... They had someone narrating the video, going on and on basically about how nothing was going on in the video and giving the details that the convenience store owner told him.

Then, they had someone (I don't know who, but they were on the phone) who had spoken to the store owner in his native language, asking them if they had learned anything different... And she proceeded to say THE SAME THINGS that the first person said. I shut it off after about 3-4 sentences because it was just too embarassing to watch.

Why is it that whenever there's a big news story that comes out with very little detail in the beginning that the media spends virtually every single second going over the same information over and over and over again, while AW jackoffs try to put themselves in the spotlight to give their 'interpretation' of things?

/It's rhetorical, you don't really have to answer...
//It's more exasperation than curiosity
 
2009-11-06 04:16:30 PM
ha ha

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2009-11-06 04:16:48 PM
EEEEWWWWWW! He's dressed all foriegny. That should've tipped them off.
 
2009-11-06 04:16:55 PM
Tissot: WHY do we have muslim terrorists in our own army, to begin with?

Diversity
 
2009-11-06 04:17:09 PM
That's funny, I usually feel like going on a shooting spree if I DON'T have my morning coffee.
 
2009-11-06 04:17:30 PM
Based on most 7-11 employees, he was probably meeting his cell leader.
 
2009-11-06 04:17:41 PM
Wow...he looks just like I do buying coffee at 7-11 - only 3 years older. With less hair. And more Muslim.

/He's got that "Muslimish" vibe about him
 
2009-11-06 04:17:49 PM
He also shouted Allahu Akbar when shooting everyone, but why bring that up...let's concentrate on him buying coffee and hashbrowns.

Wouldn't want to offend all those Muslims out there that secretly love us.
 
2009-11-06 04:18:09 PM
paygun: . Also when he screamed allah akbar before he opened fire

you sure?, I could have swarn it was "admiral ackbar" that he was screaming, so that eveybody would know it was a trap...
 
2009-11-06 04:18:14 PM
You're all missing so much.

Usually, the 7-11 clerk took the time to have a morning conversation with this shrink. But, not on this particular morning.

The major had repeatedly asked the clerk whether the clerk had managed to find any women for him. Clearly, the clerk was the shrink's best friend - and oh, so much more.

So once again a reminder for clerks to just think about the consequences of being too busy to talk to a regular customer.

Our nation's security depends on it.
 
2009-11-06 04:18:34 PM
trainwrecky and inappropriate: Kitwilly: Maybe they were out of his favorite Slurpee flavor and that is what set him off.

Also, an Arab in a 7-11? that is like finding a white person in The Gap.

or a black person at Popeyes


or mexicans in a chinese buffet....

on a semi related note, why do Mexicans love chinese food so much?
I swear I've noticed more hispanics eating in chinese restarants than I do in mexican restaurants!
 
2009-11-06 04:18:50 PM
"We secretly replaced the Sweet'n'Lo at 7-11 with PCP!"
 
2009-11-06 04:19:01 PM
so...stick with plan A: drop some more bombs in Afghanistan ?
 
2009-11-06 04:19:23 PM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

Goddammit, I'm at work, and this is a serious topic. Stop making me LOL like that.
 
2009-11-06 04:19:26 PM
bushbot111: Tissot: WHY do we have muslim terrorists in our own army, to begin with?

Diversity


Which is a policy of the LIBERELS, thank you very much.
 
2009-11-06 04:20:01 PM
Tissot: WHY do we have muslim terrorists in our own army, to begin with?

Because "Don't ask don't tell" is carried to extremes?
 
2009-11-06 04:20:33 PM
Have we discovered whether the guy who shot up the office in Florida today got his 7-11 coffee this morning?

/he was from the religion of peace too, right?
 
2009-11-06 04:20:49 PM
T-Luv: Kygz: Stop using this fark-face's name.

Yes, from now on, we will refer to him as Terrorist McIslam


Well, IMO, we shouldn't talk about him at all. Talk about those that perished, those that acted courageously, those that fought to help those who were wounded and those affected by this awful event. Talking about major fark-face just turns him into some martyr for his cause, whatever that might be.
 
2009-11-06 04:21:37 PM
steklo: Know who else bought coffee at 7-11?

What country is that in? I'll have the Valfritt Fikafrod Latte!
 
2009-11-06 04:21:59 PM
Kygz: T-Luv: Kygz: Stop using this fark-face's name.

Yes, from now on, we will refer to him as Terrorist McIslam

Well, IMO, we shouldn't talk about him at all. Talk about those that perished, those that acted courageously, those that fought to help those who were wounded and those affected by this awful event. Talking about major fark-face just turns him into some martyr for his cause, whatever that might be.


Just as long as we bomb the crap out of whatever country he came from!
 
2009-11-06 04:21:59 PM
Fort Hood suspect Hasan went into a 7-Eleven morning of shooting to buy coffee. (With video and analysis of Hasan buying coffee at 7-Eleven.)

Way to go out on a limb...
 
2009-11-06 04:22:12 PM
Did he BUY his coffee, or did he and the muslim at the cash register just sorta do a little winking and nudging?
 
2009-11-06 04:22:40 PM
But he didn't go bowling.
 
2009-11-06 04:22:53 PM
sweetmelissa31: Lando Lincoln: Fark you, I like Hazelnut. You will pay dearly for that comment.

My interpretation of the Koran strictly forbids hazelnut coffee. Flavored coffee is an unnatural creation and offends Allah.


This Islam stuff sounds alright.
 
2009-11-06 04:23:09 PM
SuperNinjaToad: on a semi related note, why do Mexicans love chinese food so much?
I swear I've noticed more hispanics eating in chinese restarants than I do in mexican restaurants!


Sometimes even Mexicans get tired of Mexican food.

/PROTIP: They were probably there for the same reason you were there: to eat
 
2009-11-06 04:23:32 PM
Tissot: WHY do we have muslim terrorists in our own army, to begin with?



I'm guessing he lied on that part of his application where they ask if you're a terrorist.

Is that what you are asking ?
 
2009-11-06 04:23:37 PM
ihatedumbpeople: He also shouted Allahu Akbar when shooting everyone, but why bring that up...let's concentrate on him buying coffee and hashbrowns.

Wouldn't want to offend all those Muslims out there that secretly love us.


Because racist farks like you will use it as an excuse to justify your bigotry.
 
2009-11-06 04:23:48 PM
Kygz: Stop using this fark-face's name.

He's in a coma. It's not like he can hear himself all over the networks, or see his name in bright lights. Besides, this wasn't an attention guy, this was much more like Private Pyle from Full Metal Jacket than anything else. A guy who just plain cracked in a military situation that probably shouldn't have been in it.

Has anyone blamed the military psych types yet?
 
2009-11-06 04:24:53 PM
It all makes sense. A Redskins fan. In Texas.
 
2009-11-06 04:25:35 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: ihatedumbpeople: He also shouted Allahu Akbar when shooting everyone, but why bring that up...let's concentrate on him buying coffee and hashbrowns.

Wouldn't want to offend all those Muslims out there that secretly love us.

Because racist farks like you will use it as an excuse to justify your bigotry.


I am always baffled about how making comments about the way another person worships their invisible sky wizard is 'raceism'
 
2009-11-06 04:25:46 PM
dbaggins: Tissot: WHY do we have muslim terrorists in our own army, to begin with?



I'm guessing he lied on that part of his application where they ask if you're a terrorist.

Is that what you are asking ?


It's so hard to tell now a days if someone is completely retarded or just satirizing people as being completely retarded.
 
2009-11-06 04:26:18 PM
Phone_Answering_Monkey: bushbot111: Tissot: WHY do we have muslim terrorists in our own army, to begin with?

Diversity

Which is a policy of the LIBERELS, thank you very much.


No, I know plenty of liberals who think diversity for diversity's sake is retarded.
 
2009-11-06 04:26:26 PM
BlorfMaster: Did he BUY his coffee, or did he and the muslim at the cash register just sorta do a little winking and nudging?


Maybe they're Eskimo brothers.
 
2009-11-06 04:26:35 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Because racist farks like you will use it as an excuse to justify your bigotry.

well you know how white people are
 
2009-11-06 04:26:41 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: ihatedumbpeople: He also shouted Allahu Akbar when shooting everyone, but why bring that up...let's concentrate on him buying coffee and hashbrowns.

Wouldn't want to offend all those Muslims out there that secretly love us.

Because racist farks like you will use it as an excuse to justify your bigotry.


Is it racism when it's true and justified? It's not like I made it up or anything...he did it, he killed people in the name of Allah. If anything, I'd say he was the one full of stupidity, and so are you for bringing bigotry and racism into it.
 
2009-11-06 04:26:44 PM
I don't believe he's guilty.

Everybody knows Hasan CHOP!
 
2009-11-06 04:27:24 PM
img.fark.net
 
2009-11-06 04:27:28 PM
This. he mofo is gonna plead insanity and he'll use the "strong caffeinated coffee" defense.

What a country!
 
2009-11-06 04:27:49 PM
It all makes sense now: I knew 7-11 had coffee machines, I could just never imagine what kind of farkwads bought coffee there...
 
2009-11-06 04:27:53 PM
paygun: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Because racist farks like you will use it as an excuse to justify your bigotry.

well you know how white people are


he was making a comment based on what someone said, not by the color of their skin.
 
2009-11-06 04:27:54 PM
Barnstormer: "We secretly replaced the Sweet'n'Lo at 7-11 with PCP!"

Fantastic, I picture it going like this


My uncle is the announcer......
 
2009-11-06 04:28:07 PM
FriarReb98: Has anyone blamed the military psych types yet?

I've always said that before anyone is allowed in the military they should take a psyche evaluation. There are too many people with uniforms on that should not have a weapon.
 
2009-11-06 04:28:15 PM
BlorfMaster: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: ihatedumbpeople: He also shouted Allahu Akbar when shooting everyone, but why bring that up...let's concentrate on him buying coffee and hashbrowns.

Wouldn't want to offend all those Muslims out there that secretly love us.

Because racist farks like you will use it as an excuse to justify your bigotry.

I am always baffled about how making comments about the way another person worships their invisible sky wizard is 'raceism'


They don't really think it's racist, it's just a way to divert attention away from issues that make them uncomfortable and may or may not align with their rainbows and butterflies political ideology.
 
2009-11-06 04:29:01 PM
Geez, next they'll be asking how it's possible that a psychiatrist went batshiat insane. I always thought that was a job requirement.
 
2009-11-06 04:29:02 PM
Corvus: he was making a comment based on what someone said, not by the color of their skin.

I know, I'm just having fun. I thought the Islam/race thing was funny.
 
2009-11-06 04:29:03 PM
SuperNinjaToad: trainwrecky and inappropriate: Kitwilly: Maybe they were out of his favorite Slurpee flavor and that is what set him off.

Also, an Arab in a 7-11? that is like finding a white person in The Gap.

or a black person at Popeyes

or mexicans in a chinese buffet....

on a semi related note, why do Mexicans love chinese food so much?
I swear I've noticed more hispanics eating in chinese restarants than I do in mexican restaurants!


oh, wow, i thought that was just a local thing around here...
 
2009-11-06 04:30:20 PM
The_Sponge: Leary

Beat you by two minutes, and I'm a liter.

erroraccessdenied.com
 
2009-11-06 04:30:58 PM
That stupid domo promotion gives me blood lust as well.
 
2009-11-06 04:31:03 PM
Pocket Ninja: Why, he was wearing clothes in the video! That means he bought clothes somewhere! Probably from a couple of different places! Unless he does all his shopping at Kohl's or something. And if he does buy his clothes at Kohl's, that means he was at a Kohl's! Sometime recently enough that he bought clothes he was still wearing! And he would have had to use his wallet! Which means he bought his wallet from another store that he was at! Unless he bought it from the Kohl's, which isn't impossible because they sell men's wallets, too! I mean, not great wallets or anything, but workable wallets! Leather ones! I think both in the trifold and bifold option! Although I don't know why anyone would want a trifold wallet! I mean, they're so bulky! Maybe that was part of the problem! Maybe he bought a trifold wallet at the Kohl's where he bought his clothes! And he didn't like his wallet! But I'm just speculating now! Stay tuned!

That made my day. Full of WIN
 
2009-11-06 04:31:11 PM
FriarReb98: A guy who just plain cracked in a military situation that probably shouldn't have been in it.

Yeah, that's my thought about him, too.

This guys doesn't deserve any attention though, because some attention whore might get the idea that this is a way to get everyone to know his/her name. This fark-face deserves nothing but an unmarked grave in the corner of some potter's field.
 
2009-11-06 04:31:44 PM
He's wearing a man-dress.
Hello, all we need to see is the man-dress to know he's a terrorist.
 
2009-11-06 04:31:49 PM
It's a good thing he didn't get his morning coffee that day at Roy Rogers.

That stuff would have inspired him to use RPG's and mortars.
 
2009-11-06 04:32:07 PM
BlorfMaster: I am always baffled about how making comments about the way another person worships their invisible sky wizard is 'raceism'

Likely as baffled as I am why somebody would change the word "bigotry" to "Raceism" and think that their is no diffrence, guess some folks are just slow? Right?



Clue one: You can be a bigot to somebody of the same race.
 
2009-11-06 04:32:26 PM
Does the military has capital punishment?


The real shame is that the taxpayers paid for his med school and he didn't fully fulfill his service obligation.
 
2009-11-06 04:32:27 PM
Atypical Person Reading Fark:
So once again a reminder for clerks to just think about the consequences of being too busy to talk to a regular customer.

Our nation's security depends on it.


Service with a smile: Your life and your nation may depend on it.

If I weren't so lazy today I'd start shopping some propaganda posters.
 
2009-11-06 04:32:28 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: ihatedumbpeople: He also shouted Allahu Akbar when shooting everyone, but why bring that up...let's concentrate on him buying coffee and hashbrowns.

Wouldn't want to offend all those Muslims out there that secretly love us.

Because racist farks like you will use it as an excuse to justify your bigotry.


Oh please, shut the f*ck up. If, assuming you aren't middle eastern, you had to choose to live for a year with only people of your race or only middle eastern Muslims you'd pick your race. And that makes you racist. So STFU and DIAF.
 
2009-11-06 04:32:36 PM
Diogenes: Why does Domo Kun hate America?

I came in here to say this.


/Domo Kun makes me ded of teh cute.
 
2009-11-06 04:32:42 PM
Something in the 7-11 must have traumatized him. I hope he didn't go into the bathroom, because the lights are broken.
 
2009-11-06 04:32:49 PM
I'm wearing traditional atheist Methodist garb so I'm getting a kick . . .
 
2009-11-06 04:33:04 PM
Wow, I would have expected to see him at Dunkin' Donuts
 
2009-11-06 04:34:35 PM
Wouldn't have happened if got some WaWa coffee instead.


Love their stuffed pretzels and meatball subs!
 
2009-11-06 04:34:38 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: You people are missing the big picture here. This isn't just about the coffee. It's about the coffee and the hashbrowns. The hashbrowns are the key to this whole case. Don't let the mainstream media distract you by discussing his coffee, focus on the important stuff, his hashbrowns.

Came to say this but left unhappy that you beat me to it.
 
2009-11-06 04:35:20 PM
Why the hell are mooslums allow in our military???????
 
2009-11-06 04:35:33 PM
Let's see the Military go all Zero Tolerance Batshiat Crazy like the schools did after Columbine.

/persons wearing camo and guns will be expelled
 
2009-11-06 04:36:37 PM
Time Traveler: Why the hell are mooslums allow in our military???????

Because no one wants to risk white kids who are middle class or higher.
 
2009-11-06 04:36:38 PM
"That's funny... Jim never has a second cup of coffee before going on a murderous rampage at home..."
 
2009-11-06 04:36:51 PM
Should have gotten an apple fritter instead.
 
2009-11-06 04:37:03 PM
T-Luv: Kygz: Stop using this fark-face's name.

Yes, from now on, we will refer to him as Terrorist McIslam


How about Voldemort?
 
2009-11-06 04:37:04 PM
paygun: BlorfMaster: Did we decide if he was Muslim yet?

He was, but that had nothing to do with claiming that muslim suicide bombers are heroes. Also when he screamed allah akbar before he opened fire, that was only because he thought it was just a cold blooded thing to say to a motherfarker before he popped a cap in his ass.


You two need to stop jumping to conclusions and trying to make it all political and shiat.
 
2009-11-06 04:37:24 PM
eagles95: Wouldn't have happened if got some WaWa coffee instead.


Love their stuffed pretzels and meatball subs!


No WaWas in Texas...must be a clue.
 
2009-11-06 04:37:40 PM
SuperNinjaToad: trainwrecky and inappropriate: Kitwilly: Maybe they were out of his favorite Slurpee flavor and that is what set him off.

Also, an Arab in a 7-11? that is like finding a white person in The Gap.

or a black person at Popeyes

or mexicans in a chinese buffet....

on a semi related note, why do Mexicans love chinese food so much?
I swear I've noticed more hispanics eating in chinese restarants than I do in mexican restaurants!


Because egg rolls kick ass.

I've also noticed that blacks love chinese chicken wings and beef on a stick.
 
2009-11-06 04:37:46 PM
Britney Spear's Speculum: Does the military has capital punishment?
The real shame is that the taxpayers paid for his med school and he didn't fully fulfill his service obligation.


See, here's the confusing thing: According to TFA, he wanted to get out since 2001. Eight (at least eight, almost nine) years ago. Unless the man was on stop-loss for years at a time, which I highly doubt, he had to have re-enlisted since then. If he was biatching since '01 that he wanted out, why did he re-enlist? Doesn't make any goddamn sense. Sounds like he had a shiatload of problems in his dome.
 
2009-11-06 04:37:52 PM
Notice how 7/11 is just two numbers away from 9/11? The truth will come out eventually!
 
2009-11-06 04:37:53 PM
muck4doo:
I'm calling homeland security if I ever see an Arab in a 7-11 from now on.

I would suggest putting H.S. on your speed dial.
 
2009-11-06 04:37:59 PM
Time Traveler: Why the hell are mooslums allow in our military???????

They need to do way instain mother
 
2009-11-06 04:38:18 PM
Tom_Slick: I love the 24hour news cycle. Quick find something new....he drank coffee....Can we confirm that?........can we be the first to report this?...Check.....Air it Danno!

FTFY...what is this "confirm" you speak of?
 
2009-11-06 04:38:21 PM
Thank you, come again!
 
2009-11-06 04:38:54 PM
I am so going to Hell for laughing at all these comments.

On the other hand this is one of those few threads where Fark's right and left political split comes together to bust on some profound stupidity in the media.
 
2009-11-06 04:39:20 PM
darth_giggity: Something in the 7-11 must have traumatized him. I hope he didn't go into the bathroom, because the lights are broken.

She said she did all the work.
 
2009-11-06 04:39:35 PM
WTF?
How can he get away with wearing a man-dress in Texas?
 
2009-11-06 04:40:22 PM
YoMammaObama: You two need to stop jumping to conclusions and trying to make it all political and shiat.

Especially when the guy said he was a Muslim first and an American second, that the war on terror was a war against Islam.

Sounds like someone had a case of the Mondays.
 
2009-11-06 04:40:48 PM
Contrabulous Flabtraption: DIAF.

Die in a fire?
 
2009-11-06 04:40:57 PM
I refuse to believe any of this until I see Wolf Blitzer leading us through a holographic reenactment of the coffee purchase.
 
2009-11-06 04:41:01 PM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

God love you, I laughed so hard.
 
2009-11-06 04:41:02 PM
I think he was hypnotized. Why else would he go to 7-11 in PJ's?
 
2009-11-06 04:41:06 PM
CapitolG: BlorfMaster: I am always baffled about how making comments about the way another person worships their invisible sky wizard is 'raceism'

Likely as baffled as I am why somebody would change the word "bigotry" to "Raceism" and think that their is no diffrence, guess some folks are just slow? Right?



Clue one: You can be a bigot to somebody of the same race.


He said "Because racist farks like you will..." So no, BlorfMaster didn't make up the racist part. But maybe I'm racist too because I don't think Islam is a race, nor do I think that criticizing elements within Islam which condone these types of actions is a racist point of view.
 
2009-11-06 04:42:07 PM
darth_giggity: Something in the 7-11 must have traumatized him. I hope he didn't go into the bathroom, because the lights are broken.

+1 for the Clerks reference
 
2009-11-06 04:42:33 PM
They should have known he was a Muslim terrorist because he bought ARABica-blend coffee!

/Where were you, on 9/11 when they built the ladder to Heaven?
 
2009-11-06 04:42:38 PM
RoxtarRyan: Sounds like he had a shiatload of problems in his dome.

that is more obvious from the job title.

/anyone know a sane shink? anyone?
 
2009-11-06 04:42:51 PM
Quasar: I refuse to believe any of this until I see Wolf Blitzer leading us through a holographic reenactment of the coffee purchase.

I'm with you, but it only counts if it's accompanied by a Google map on a touch screen bigger than 5' wide.
 
2009-11-06 04:43:02 PM
Every American should be suspicious when they see a muslim on that side of the counter.
 
2009-11-06 04:43:10 PM
paygun: Sounds like someone had a case of the Mondays.

you know it is a rough week when you have a case of the Mondays on a Thursday.
 
2009-11-06 04:43:19 PM
YoMammaObama: shink?

Shrink. FTFM
 
2009-11-06 04:43:49 PM
SuperNinjaToad: on a semi related note, why do Mexicans love chinese food so much?
I swear I've noticed more hispanics eating in chinese restarants than I do in mexican restaurants!


After preparing food in the Italian restaraunts all day, they probably want a change of pace.
 
2009-11-06 04:44:19 PM
BlorfMaster: I am always baffled about how making comments about the way another person worships their invisible sky wizard is 'raceism'

Let me ask you this, if a white Southern gentleman named John Parker Thompson went and shot up a military base while shouting "God is Great", would people immediately assume that he was a Muslim, and that the violence was inspired by Islam?

ihatedumbpeople: Is it racism when it's true and justified? It's not like I made it up or anything...he did it, he killed people in the name of Allah. If anything, I'd say he was the one full of stupidity, and so are you for bringing bigotry and racism into it.

Or, he was just invoking his god during a heavily stressful situation. Just like how anyone who has said "Holy Mother of God" in a stressful situation is automatically Catholic. Idiot. Seriously, it's your thought pattern that is and has been ruining this country for decades.

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Oh please, shut the f*ck up. If, assuming you aren't middle eastern, you had to choose to live for a year with only people of your race or only middle eastern Muslims you'd pick your race. And that makes you racist. So STFU and DIAF.

Apparently you know me personally. I'd love to know where we met, and how you ever got that inclination. Please, keep quiet while adults are talking.
 
2009-11-06 04:44:21 PM
Quasar: I refuse to believe any of this until I see Wolf Blitzer leading us through a holographic reenactment of the coffee purchase.

With Will. I. Am playing Hasan?
 
2009-11-06 04:45:13 PM
This guy was a plant by the Obama administration. Think about it! Approval ratings are slipping. The last round of elections show that the political pendulum is starting to shift to the right. The Obama staff needs something to galvanize our country. Give him a reason to make a lot of no-duh speeches condemning the acts of senseless slaughter, and how we as a country need to come together. It won't be an easy fight, but we must all be strong and support his plan for victory against this new threat to the American way of life.

/Next you will be telling me that there is no way that anyone in the military could have emotional issues.
 
2009-11-06 04:45:44 PM
Hasan canz has some hazzbrowns?
 
2009-11-06 04:46:05 PM
obamadidcoke: Every American should be suspicious when they see a muslim on that side of the counter.

Damned right. He he'd been keeping Paulie Shore from weazing the juice like he was supposed to, those folks wouldn't have gotten shot.
 
2009-11-06 04:46:13 PM
punchaprep: So does anyone really think that army is going to do anything about mental health or are the gonna chalk it up to "sekrit Mooslum"?

I don't think he kept it a secret that he was a Muslim & yes this was terrorist attack by a Muslim not some lone nut. You have to be a complete farktard to think this was an isolated incident by a crazed gunman.
 
2009-11-06 04:46:13 PM
Crapaccino, Frapacaccino, Al Pacino I just want a god damn cup of coffee. Obscure?
 
2009-11-06 04:47:19 PM
paygun: Quasar: I refuse to believe any of this until I see Wolf Blitzer leading us through a holographic reenactment of the coffee purchase.

I'm with you, but it only counts if it's accompanied by a Google map on a touch screen bigger than 5' wide.


Alright over here is the candy aisle. Let's expand that. Alright let's shrink that back. Now over here is the coffee. Let's move that to the side, expand that. Alright let's shrink that back. Over here is Pennsylvania...
 
2009-11-06 04:49:21 PM
Pocket Ninja: Why, he was wearing clothes in the video! That means he bought clothes somewhere! Probably from a couple of different places! Unless he does all his shopping at Kohl's or something. And if he does buy his clothes at Kohl's, that means he was at a Kohl's! Sometime recently enough that he bought clothes he was still wearing! And he would have had to use his wallet! Which means he bought his wallet from another store that he was at! Unless he bought it from the Kohl's, which isn't impossible because they sell men's wallets, too! I mean, not great wallets or anything, but workable wallets! Leather ones! I think both in the trifold and bifold option! Although I don't know why anyone would want a trifold wallet! I mean, they're so bulky! Maybe that was part of the problem! Maybe he bought a trifold wallet at the Kohl's where he bought his clothes! And he didn't like his wallet! But I'm just speculating now! Stay tuned!

Came here to say this.
 
2009-11-06 04:49:25 PM
Obdicut: I can't rest until I know what shoes he was wearing.

If any!


Since he was in a military uniform, I'm gonna go out on a limb here:

Combat boots.

There, now you can rest.
 
2009-11-06 04:49:48 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Let me ask you this, if a white Southern gentleman named John Parker Thompson went and shot up a military base while shouting "God is Great", would people immediately assume that he was a Muslim, and that the violence was inspired by Islam?

I would. Islam isn't a race.
 
2009-11-06 04:49:55 PM


on a semi related note, why do Mexicans love chinese food so much?
I swear I've noticed more hispanics eating in chinese restarants than I do in mexican restaurants!




I take it its a chinese buffet. Since you dont need to order food, you dont need to know english to eat there.
 
2009-11-06 04:50:11 PM
Quasar: paygun: Quasar: I refuse to believe any of this until I see Wolf Blitzer leading us through a holographic reenactment of the coffee purchase.

I'm with you, but it only counts if it's accompanied by a Google map on a touch screen bigger than 5' wide.

Alright over here is the candy aisle. Let's expand that. Alright let's shrink that back. Now over here is the coffee. Let's move that to the side, expand that. Alright let's shrink that back. Over here is Pennsylvania...


...and here is a Target store. Target also happens to be one of our sponsors, so go see their low-low prices! Tell them Wolf sent ya!
 
2009-11-06 04:50:15 PM
RoxtarRyan: See, here's the confusing thing: According to TFA, he wanted to get out since 2001. Eight (at least eight, almost nine) years ago. Unless the man was on stop-loss for years at a time, which I highly doubt, he had to have re-enlisted since then. If he was biatching since '01 that he wanted out, why did he re-enlist? Doesn't make any goddamn sense. Sounds like he had a shiatload of problems in his dome.

It made me damn sure that I'm not gonna have the military finance my med school education.
 
2009-11-06 04:50:35 PM
Turns out Hasan was Hussein's homeland security advisor. Let the impeachment begin!
 
2009-11-06 04:51:18 PM
Gonz: Obdicut: I can't rest until I know what shoes he was wearing.

If any!

Since he was in a military uniform, I'm gonna go out on a limb here:

Combat boots.

There, now you can rest.


He not wearing a military uniform in the video, well not an American military uniform anyway.
 
2009-11-06 04:51:59 PM
The_Sponge 2009-11-06 04:16:05 PM
Denis Leary rants about 7-11 and coffee (new window)

Curses foiled again, sulks away stands in corner --- again.
 
2009-11-06 04:52:06 PM
We had footage of him buying this coffee and he was a known customer. How did we not see the danger signs?
 
2009-11-06 04:52:08 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Let me ask you this, if a white Southern gentleman named John Parker Thompson went and shot up a military base while shouting "God is Great", would people immediately assume that he was a Muslim, and that the violence was inspired by Islam?

If a subsequent investigation revealed that he had been disciplined for proselytizing the Muslim faith to his patients and co-workers, and had previously made remarks that Muslims should "rise up" against America, then yeah, we could safely assume that his actions were influenced by his faith.
 
2009-11-06 04:53:37 PM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

HAHAHAHAHA!
 
2009-11-06 04:53:55 PM
dude was 39 and a "devout" muslim. Looking for a wife.

If you were 39 and still a virgin, and had access to guns you would probably want to kill some people too if you thought the only way to ever have sex was to die a Matyr and get 72 virgins.

Too much older and even the virgins would not want him when he got to heaven.
 
2009-11-06 04:54:17 PM
RoxtarRyan: Britney Spear's Speculum: Does the military has capital punishment?
The real shame is that the taxpayers paid for his med school and he didn't fully fulfill his service obligation.

See, here's the confusing thing: According to TFA, he wanted to get out since 2001. Eight (at least eight, almost nine) years ago. Unless the man was on stop-loss for years at a time, which I highly doubt, he had to have re-enlisted since then. If he was biatching since '01 that he wanted out, why did he re-enlist? Doesn't make any goddamn sense. Sounds like he had a shiatload of problems in his dome.


Well, the army paid for my dad's law school, and he owed them 3 years of his services. This guy owed a fair amount if they paid for med school. Plus, if you flunk, you become enlisted.
 
2009-11-06 04:54:36 PM
So where is the hard hitting report of him having a nice B.M and a shower that morning?

24 hour news cycle. What fun.
 
2009-11-06 04:55:02 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: BlorfMaster: I am always baffled about how making comments about the way another person worships their invisible sky wizard is 'raceism'

Let me ask you this, if a white Southern gentleman named John Parker Thompson went and shot up a military base while shouting "God is Great", would people immediately assume that he was a Muslim, and that the violence was inspired by Islam?

ihatedumbpeople: Is it racism when it's true and justified? It's not like I made it up or anything...he did it, he killed people in the name of Allah. If anything, I'd say he was the one full of stupidity, and so are you for bringing bigotry and racism into it.

Or, he was just invoking his god during a heavily stressful situation. Just like how anyone who has said "Holy Mother of God" in a stressful situation is automatically Catholic. Idiot. Seriously, it's your thought pattern that is and has been ruining this country for decades.

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Oh please, shut the f*ck up. If, assuming you aren't middle eastern, you had to choose to live for a year with only people of your race or only middle eastern Muslims you'd pick your race. And that makes you racist. So STFU and DIAF.

Apparently you know me personally. I'd love to know where we met, and how you ever got that inclination. Please, keep quiet while adults are talking.


What's it like being an extremeist apologist? It sounds exhausting.
 
2009-11-06 04:56:27 PM
House of Tards:
That's funny, Hasan never has a second cup at home....

You have my absolute, unequivocal, and undying admiration
 
2009-11-06 04:56:36 PM
give me doughnuts: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Let me ask you this, if a white Southern gentleman named John Parker Thompson went and shot up a military base while shouting "God is Great", would people immediately assume that he was a Muslim, and that the violence was inspired by Islam?

If a subsequent investigation revealed that he had been disciplined for proselytizing the Muslim faith to his patients and co-workers, and had previously made remarks that Muslims should "rise up" against America, then yeah, we could safely assume that his actions were influenced by his faith.


No, what he was yelling was "Cialis Ahkbar", or "Cialis is great!". It makes the comments about Muslims "rising up" make a lot more sense, yes?
 
2009-11-06 04:57:44 PM
give me doughnuts: If a subsequent investigation revealed that he had been disciplined for proselytizing the Muslim faith to his patients and co-workers, and had previously made remarks that Muslims should "rise up" against America, then yeah, we could safely assume that his actions were influenced by his faith.

Contributory factors != proximate causation. Let's see, did he go apeshiat because he was a radical nut Muslim, or did he go mass-murderer because he was constantly dealing with the demons of the most psychologically damaged people in the military, was socially anxious, was having severe female problems, or maybe, I don't know, being sent off to freakin' Afghanistan in a few weeks?

The only reason people think Islam is the primary factor is because the guy's a freakin' Arab. That's why it's racism.
 
2009-11-06 04:57:44 PM
Yesterday, some kind person explained more about the route that this Major used to get into medical school. First, he was in ROTC at Virginia Tech, then he went to medical school at a military medical school - he was then sent to a residency paid for by the military. He was then obligated to pay them back with X numbers of years of service, starting with his duty at Walter Reed, which he farked up by being weird and surly.

My understanding is that he had 8 years he had to pay back and knew all along that doctors trained at U.S.S. Medical School were going to be Army Doctors and that nearly all of them would see some time overseas in a combat zone.

He did everything he could to try and get out of this deployment. He made statements regarded as controversial by other army personnel. Instead of kindly acquiescing to his wishes, the Army saw fit to deploy him against his wishes.

If he had managed to make nice at Walter Reed, he'd still be there - but he didn't. The Army retaliated by shipping him ever closer to Afghanistan. He then worked out his own strategy of fighting back.

So, to those people who keep asking why the Army would send a trouble-making shrink with non-standard political views into a combat zone, well, I'm thinking that's probably pretty much standard operating procedure and has probably worked well in the past to get them out of everyone's face.
 
2009-11-06 04:58:12 PM
Why do we have to drag sweet, lovely coffee into this?
 
2009-11-06 04:58:36 PM
bushbot111: What's it like being an extremeist apologist? It sounds exhausting.

Coming from a troll with your handle, I find this highly amusing.
 
2009-11-06 04:59:58 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: BlorfMaster: I am always baffled about how making comments about the way another person worships their invisible sky wizard is 'raceism'

Let me ask you this, if a white Southern gentleman named John Parker Thompson went and shot up a military base while shouting "God is Great", would people immediately assume that he was a Muslim, and that the violence was inspired by Islam?


If a White Southern man named John Parker Thompson went into Mission and shot up a bunch of gay people while shouting "Christ will redeem me," EVERYONE would immediately assume that he was a Christian extremist, and that the violence was inspired by Christian extremism. It would immediately be deemed an act of Christian domestic terrorism.
 
2009-11-06 05:00:38 PM
So I guess this is what Obama was implying when he said America was enriched by Islam. Religion of peace indeed.
 
2009-11-06 05:01:48 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: The only reason people think Islam is the primary factor is because the guy's a freakin' Arab. That's why it's racism.

Just like when Christians bomb abortion clinics. It has nothing to do with Christianity, it's just someone with an axe to grind trying to make Christianity look bad.
 
2009-11-06 05:01:54 PM
Maybe he was tired of staring at goats (In theaters now)
 
2009-11-06 05:02:28 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent:

It takes more than using big words to succeed at an argument. They can teach you the big words at the college, but the other part needed is, perhaps, a natural talent (or perhaps you'd rather see it as a gift from God - I don't know your ideology).
 
2009-11-06 05:03:01 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent:

Apparently you know me personally. I'd love to know where we met, and how you ever got that inclination.


Remember, my car got a flat in Dearborn, MI and there you were in the alley getting sodomized by a two Saudi men who were forcing you to beg forgiveness for the sins of the West.
 
2009-11-06 05:04:11 PM
cbae.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-11-06 05:04:43 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Let's see, did he go apeshiat because he was a radical nut Muslim,

Yes.
 
2009-11-06 05:05:16 PM
www.catchwordbranding.com
 
2009-11-06 05:05:16 PM
paygun: Just like when Christians bomb abortion clinics. It has nothing to do with Christianity, it's just someone with an axe to grind trying to make Christianity look bad.

Because a minority lunatic fringe has dick all to do with the few odd million Christians on this planet, amirite?

EVERY flavor of religion has their share of nutcases - Islam included. You just hear a hell of a lot more about them nowadays.
 
2009-11-06 05:05:28 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: ihatedumbpeople: He also shouted Allahu Akbar when shooting everyone, but why bring that up...let's concentrate on him buying coffee and hashbrowns.

Wouldn't want to offend all those Muslims out there that secretly love us.

Because racist farks like you will use it as an excuse to justify your bigotry.


Bringing up eyewitness accounts now makes you a racist. Got it.
 
2009-11-06 05:06:04 PM
SangamonTaylor: If a White Southern man named John Parker Thompson went into Mission and shot up a bunch of gay people while shouting "Christ will redeem me," EVERYONE would immediately assume that he was a Christian extremist, and that the violence was inspired by Christian extremism. It would immediately be deemed an act of Christian domestic terrorism.

Maybe so, but let's deal with the real issue here. This whole 9/11 thing was blown way out of proportion. The guys who flew those planes into those buildings were just really bad pilots. Everyone assumes they did it on purpose just because they're from the middle east.
 
2009-11-06 05:06:37 PM
SangamonTaylor: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: BlorfMaster: I am always baffled about how making comments about the way another person worships their invisible sky wizard is 'raceism'

Let me ask you this, if a white Southern gentleman named John Parker Thompson went and shot up a military base while shouting "God is Great", would people immediately assume that he was a Muslim, and that the violence was inspired by Islam?

If a White Southern man named John Parker Thompson went into Mission and shot up a bunch of gay people while shouting "Christ will redeem me," EVERYONE would immediately assume that he was a Christian extremist, and that the violence was inspired by Christian extremism. It would immediately be deemed an act of Christian domestic terrorism.


And how many would claim that it was a reflection on Christianity in general? How many would be questioning why we allow Christians in the military?
 
2009-11-06 05:06:46 PM
kvinesknows: dude was 39 and a "devout" muslim. Looking for a wife.

If you were 39 and still a virgin, and had access to guns you would probably want to kill some people too if you thought the only way to ever have sex was to die a Matyr and get 72 virgins.

Too much older and even the virgins would not want him when he got to heaven.


This? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets too cold. This? This is Hasan. This is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated.
 
2009-11-06 05:08:37 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: And how many would claim that it was a reflection on Christianity in general? How many would be questioning why we allow Christians in the military?

On this site? Plenty.
 
2009-11-06 05:09:02 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: give me doughnuts: If a subsequent investigation revealed that he had been disciplined for proselytizing the Muslim faith to his patients and co-workers, and had previously made remarks that Muslims should "rise up" against America, then yeah, we could safely assume that his actions were influenced by his faith.

Contributory factors != proximate causation. Let's see, did he go apeshiat because he was a radical nut Muslim, or did he go mass-murderer because he was constantly dealing with the demons of the most psychologically damaged people in the military, was socially anxious, was having severe female problems, or maybe, I don't know, being sent off to freakin' Afghanistan in a few weeks?

The only reason people think Islam is the primary factor is because the guy's a freakin' Arab. That's why it's racism.


Nope, it's because he's Muslim. It's not based on how he looks, but his name. Did you read his full name? If a white dude with that name did this, i'd assume it was related to Islam. That wouldn't be racist. It WOULD be religious stereotyping, it would also be backed up by massive amounts of evidence.

i'll tell the girl at the campus bookstore that you're culturally thenthative. i'm sure she'll dig it until a non-wuss takes her from you.
 
2009-11-06 05:10:00 PM
Hollywood Cole: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: ihatedumbpeople: He also shouted Allahu Akbar when shooting everyone, but why bring that up...let's concentrate on him buying coffee and hashbrowns.

Wouldn't want to offend all those Muslims out there that secretly love us.

Because racist farks like you will use it as an excuse to justify your bigotry.

Bringing up eyewitness accounts now makes you a racist. Got it.


So does quoting anything from the Koran, factually reporting what the terrorist themselves said was the justification for their actions, or generally saying anything bad about any Muslim even if it is 100% true.

What are you, some kind of Islamophobe? Next, you'll be saying that it is a bad thing to stone adulterers to death. How dare you make moral judgments, you're culture is no better than theirs!
 
2009-11-06 05:10:21 PM
"Mechanic, who does not know Hasan, said people don't just snap. 'When you start looking back, there are crumbs that suggest everything was not hunky-dory.'"

/followed by thousands of reporter-hours of digging without a single such crumb being uncovered.

What makes people think that we can predict this kind of crap? Post hoc, ergo propter hoc? I'm sure that eventually they'll find some co-worker who Hasan yelled at once for stealing out of the breakroom, and then they'll be all "Ooooh, we should have known! What a confrontational person, and non-forgiving too!"
 
2009-11-06 05:10:56 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: And how many would claim that it was a reflection on Christianity in general? How many would be questioning why we allow Christians in the military?

Given enough Christian nutcases shooting people while they scream about how much they revere their god, I think there would be plenty of people questioning it.
 
2009-11-06 05:11:27 PM
Pocket Ninja: Why, he was wearing clothes in the video! That means he bought clothes somewhere! Probably from a couple of different places! Unless he does all his shopping at Kohl's or something. And if he does buy his clothes at Kohl's, that means he was at a Kohl's! Sometime recently enough that he bought clothes he was still wearing! And he would have had to use his wallet! Which means he bought his wallet from another store that he was at! Unless he bought it from the Kohl's, which isn't impossible because they sell men's wallets, too! I mean, not great wallets or anything, but workable wallets! Leather ones! I think both in the trifold and bifold option! Although I don't know why anyone would want a trifold wallet! I mean, they're so bulky! Maybe that was part of the problem! Maybe he bought a trifold wallet at the Kohl's where he bought his clothes! And he didn't like his wallet! But I'm just speculating now! Stay tuned!

I just bought my traditionally "Jihad-wear" at Kohls yesterday!!! AWESOME!
 
2009-11-06 05:11:54 PM
What more needs to happen before this country starts enacting tough and ENFORCEABLE caffeine control legislation?
 
2009-11-06 05:11:57 PM
VaticDart: The_Sponge: Leary

Beat you by two minutes, and I'm a liter.



Grrrrrrrrr.

*Shaking my meaty fist*
 
2009-11-06 05:12:05 PM
pd771: Philip Francis Queeg: And how many would claim that it was a reflection on Christianity in general? How many would be questioning why we allow Christians in the military?

On this site? Plenty.


And would those people be right, or would they be ignorant bigots?
 
2009-11-06 05:12:46 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: And how many would claim that it was a reflection on Christianity in general? How many would be questioning why we allow Christians in the military?

If it was one of thousands of such incidents that happened all over the world, then I would certainly be questioning why.
 
2009-11-06 05:13:44 PM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

Thread over.
 
2009-11-06 05:15:02 PM
Hasn't anyone thought of the idea that, maybe, he simply got into a neurological hysteria?.

These things do happen, for no reason other than stress, it's called mental breakdown.

It has happened (new window).
 
2009-11-06 05:16:11 PM
i466.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-06 05:16:35 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent:

Or, he was just invoking his god during a heavily stressful situation.


So that's what they're calling mass murder nowadays.

AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: give me doughnuts: If a subsequent investigation revealed that he had been disciplined for proselytizing the Muslim faith to his patients and co-workers, and had previously made remarks that Muslims should "rise up" against America, then yeah, we could safely assume that his actions were influenced by his faith.

Contributory factors != proximate causation. Let's see, did he go apeshiat because he was a radical nut Muslim, or did he go mass-murderer because he was constantly dealing with the demons of the most psychologically damaged people in the military, was socially anxious, was having severe female problems, or maybe, I don't know, being sent off to freakin' Afghanistan in a few weeks?

The only reason people think Islam is the primary factor is because the guy's a freakin' Arab. That's why it's racism.


You're a case study in denial.
 
2009-11-06 05:16:59 PM
Hannity was already pushing the whole "maybe he subscribed to extremist Muslim ideas" today. I mean seriously pushing that line of questioning. That man makes me sick.

I mean, come on. Would this be any different if he were a Christian with a non-Muslim name? You bet your arse it would be.

The fact that he's been a life-long Muslim isn't the problem. The problem is that, after 9/11, people of his faith have experienced a whole hell of a lot of ridicule and hate, all of it unearned.

Maybe he felt like he was being sent to kill his fellow Muslims, and that they would see this and put a Rushdie edict on him. Maybe he saw the absurdity of the war that the previous administration created - then SNAFU'd - and was just at the end of his rope, regardless of his faith.

Either way, he's getting his way: He will no longer be deployed to the Middle East. He went about it entirely the wrong way, though, and my thoughts are with all the victims in both Fort Hood and Orlando.

Since this guy is alive, and may recover, we might find out just why he's doing this. The officer who brought him down should be commended for neutralizing him without killing him, especially while she herself was injured. Because of her, this time we might actually get the answers that we not only want, but need to hear.
 
2009-11-06 05:17:03 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: SangamonTaylor: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: BlorfMaster: I am always baffled about how making comments about the way another person worships their invisible sky wizard is 'raceism'

Let me ask you this, if a white Southern gentleman named John Parker Thompson went and shot up a military base while shouting "God is Great", would people immediately assume that he was a Muslim, and that the violence was inspired by Islam?

If a White Southern man named John Parker Thompson went into Mission and shot up a bunch of gay people while shouting "Christ will redeem me," EVERYONE would immediately assume that he was a Christian extremist, and that the violence was inspired by Christian extremism. It would immediately be deemed an act of Christian domestic terrorism.

And how many would claim that it was a reflection on Christianity in general? How many would be questioning why we allow Christians in the military?


Right! That's it. All of you out! Yes, you too! Anybody with any connection to a sexual preference, creed, religion, any convenience store coffee preference, any political affiliation, any race or gender. You will not be allowed in the military, because you might do something that reflects poorly on the military. There you go! No, don't leave the boots, just leave.
www.freemasonrywatch.org

\hot like hashbrowns
 
2009-11-06 05:18:07 PM
I don't think he's a suspect, subby...let's just call him the hood shooter.
 
2009-11-06 05:19:02 PM
ihatedumbpeople: He also shouted Allahu Akbar when shooting everyone, but why bring that up...let's concentrate on him buying coffee and hashbrowns.

Wouldn't want to offend all those Muslims out there that secretly love us.


First of all, all we've got from that stories is witnesses to a traumatic event. It may or may not have happened. I'd be convinced if there was video footage or something, but eyewitness accounts don't really do it for me anymore.

Second, just because he shouted out Allahu Ackbar before opening fire, doesn't mean he was a terrorist or a fundamentalist. If the guy who blew his brains out in a movie theater a couple weeks back had yelled out Jules Winnfield's bible quote before doing it, would he have been a militant Xtian fundamentalist terrorist?

This guy could just as easily have been experiencing a psychotic break. He's a shrink and works with PTSD sufferers. He's probably got a wicked case of stress trauma himself from hearing their farked up stories all the time. Add deployment orders on top of that and it's easy for a guy to lose it. We really don't know why this guy went a-killin, but it sure is easy to speculate that it's because he's all durka durka mohamed jihad.

Delusional people, PTSD sufferers, people with schizophrenia... they do all kinds of crazy shiat in the name of god or allah or the voices in their head. The problem isn't with a wider system of belief or religion, it's with the individual's inability to operate in society like a human being.
 
2009-11-06 05:19:03 PM
CygnusDarius: Hasn't anyone thought of the idea that, maybe, he simply got into a neurological hysteria?.

It's certainly possible, it's also possible this is some sort of love triangle thing that no one yet knows about. Or he was trying to defend someone there from a mob hit. Or he was an alien from space.

Or it could just be the obvious reason.
 
2009-11-06 05:19:40 PM
Hey we are that much closer to being under double digits.farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2009-11-06 05:19:53 PM
I swear I've noticed more hispanics eating in chinese restarants than I do in mexican restaurants!

The mainlander chick at my local Chinese take-out had to learn to shout, "Amigo!"

I usually try to wait for her as the guy with the steel teeth creeps me out. Full set of choppers made of steel. These are our Chinese overlords: Amigo! and a guy whose mouth rusts.
 
2009-11-06 05:20:18 PM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

omg thank you, I laughed so much.

/seriously
 
2009-11-06 05:20:20 PM
Delawheredad: I am so going to Hell for laughing at all these comments.

On the other hand this is one of those few threads where Fark's right and left political split comes together to bust on some profound stupidity in the media.


You're in luck!!! There is no Hell to go to! Even the Catholics agree now.
 
2009-11-06 05:20:24 PM
Godscrack

Sorry, you need to show your work - you can't just copy the answer off Glenn Beck's chalkboard. That's cheating. And cheating is for commies.
 
2009-11-06 05:21:19 PM
Is it just me or does the shooter resemble Private Pyle?
 
2009-11-06 05:21:29 PM
Wait, people are seriously trying to pin this on Islam? Sorry America, I'm pretty sure angry white male Christians invented this particular brand of morbid outburst.
 
2009-11-06 05:21:53 PM
TemperedEdge: Hannity was already pushing the whole "maybe he subscribed to extremist Muslim ideas" today. I mean seriously pushing that line of questioning. That man makes me sick.

I mean, come on. Would this be any different if he were a Christian with a non-Muslim name? You bet your arse it would be.

The fact that he's been a life-long Muslim isn't the problem. The problem is that, after 9/11, people of his faith have experienced a whole hell of a lot of ridicule and hate, all of it unearned.


Ridicule and hate? Were there pogroms I missed out on? Anyway, he's earned it now.
 
2009-11-06 05:22:12 PM
TemperedEdge: Hannity was already pushing the whole "maybe he subscribed to extremist Muslim ideas" today.

Hannity is a dick but people close to him have already said the guy claimed the war on terror was a war against Islam. Fundamentalist Muslim nutjobs do exist.
 
2009-11-06 05:23:32 PM
coco ebert: Wait, people are seriously trying to pin this on Islam? Sorry America, I'm pretty sure angry white male Christians invented this particular brand of morbid outburst.

An Asian has the high score at it.
 
2009-11-06 05:23:41 PM
Mmmm...coffee. You know, I'd kill for a good cup of coffee right about now.
 
2009-11-06 05:24:10 PM
coco ebert: Wait, people are seriously trying to pin this on Islam? Sorry America, I'm pretty sure angry white male Christians invented this particular brand of morbid outburst.

I also blame this incident on Christianity.
 
2009-11-06 05:24:30 PM
Oldiron_79: Is it just me or does the shooter resemble Private Pyle?

Instead of the Twinkie, he'll use the Jelly Donut defense
 
2009-11-06 05:24:40 PM
Pocket Ninja: Why, he was wearing clothes in the video! That means he bought clothes somewhere! Probably from a couple of different places! Unless he does all his shopping at Kohl's or something. And if he does buy his clothes at Kohl's, that means he was at a Kohl's! Sometime recently enough that he bought clothes he was still wearing! And he would have had to use his wallet! Which means he bought his wallet from another store that he was at! Unless he bought it from the Kohl's, which isn't impossible because they sell men's wallets, too! I mean, not great wallets or anything, but workable wallets! Leather ones! I think both in the trifold and bifold option! Although I don't know why anyone would want a trifold wallet! I mean, they're so bulky! Maybe that was part of the problem! Maybe he bought a trifold wallet at the Kohl's where he bought his clothes! And he didn't like his wallet! But I'm just speculating now! Stay tuned!

I bought my wallet from Kohl's, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/bifold
 
2009-11-06 05:24:59 PM
CygnusDarius: Hasn't anyone thought of the idea that, maybe, he simply got into a neurological hysteria?.

These things do happen, for no reason other than stress, it's called mental breakdown.

It has happened (new window).


Yeah me no speaky the spanish.
 
2009-11-06 05:25:43 PM
coco ebert: Wait, people are seriously trying to pin this on Islam? Sorry America, I'm pretty sure angry white male Christians invented this particular brand of morbid outburst.

Yeah you know, it's not like muslims cause trouble and blow shiat up all over the world constantly. This is clearly close-minded bigotry at work.
 
2009-11-06 05:25:57 PM
paygun: coco ebert: Wait, people are seriously trying to pin this on Islam? Sorry America, I'm pretty sure angry white male Christians invented this particular brand of morbid outburst.

I also blame this incident on Christianity.


Lol no. Don't try to play the victim card. Of course there are forms of violence that are particular to Muslim fundamentalist terrorists such as suicide bombings or hijackings, but not usually the shoot 'em up style of terror.
 
2009-11-06 05:26:03 PM
678583: So I guess this is what Obama was implying when he said America was enriched by Islam. Religion of peace indeed.

You make the world just a little bit dimmer.
 
2009-11-06 05:26:45 PM
kvinesknows: dude was 39 and a "devout" muslim. Looking for a wife.

If you were 39 and still a virgin, and had access to guns you would probably want to kill some people too if you thought the only way to ever have sex was to die a Matyr and get 72 virgins.

Too much older and even the virgins would not want him when he got to heaven.




Did you see pictures of this asshole? His religious beliefs had nothing to do with the fact that he was still a virgin at 39.
 
2009-11-06 05:27:00 PM
Oldiron_79: coco ebert: Wait, people are seriously trying to pin this on Islam? Sorry America, I'm pretty sure angry white male Christians invented this particular brand of morbid outburst.

An Asian has the high score at it.


Well, we HAVE outsourced everything else to the Asians, why not that too?

/Hell.
//Handbasket.
///Etc.
 
2009-11-06 05:27:06 PM
coco ebert: Wait, people are seriously trying to pin this on Islam? Sorry America, I'm pretty sure angry white male Christians invented this particular brand of morbid outburst.


0/10
 
2009-11-06 05:27:11 PM
SangamonTaylor: If a White Southern man named John Parker Thompson went into Mission and shot up a bunch of gay people while shouting "Christ will redeem me," EVERYONE would immediately assume that he was a Christian extremist, and that the violence was inspired by Christian extremism. It would immediately be deemed an act of Christian domestic terrorism.

Nah, that would be called "right-wing domestic terrorism". Only academics would really hone in on the religious aspect.

paygun: Just like when Christians bomb abortion clinics. It has nothing to do with Christianity, it's just someone with an axe to grind trying to make Christianity look bad.

How you ever interpreted my statements to indicate that I thought Hasan was trying to make Islam look bad suggests a level of logical failure so profound as to evoke true admiration from me. Well done.

Atypical Person Reading Fark: It takes more than using big words to succeed at an argument. They can teach you the big words at the college, but the other part needed is, perhaps, a natural talent (or perhaps you'd rather see it as a gift from God - I don't know your ideology).

Umm... ok? This is Fark. I don't want to waste my time spelling out long, well-researched analyses that would pretty much get to my point (it's bigoted and racially motivated to jump to the conclusion that an Arab guy's extremist actions were primarily motivated by religious belief, even if he is clearly Muslim), when I can have much more fun riling up the guys on here who are desperately trying to justify their irrational beliefs. If that's trolling, so be it.

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Remember, my car got a flat in Dearborn, MI and there you were in the alley getting sodomized by a two Saudi men who were forcing you to beg forgiveness for the sins of the West.

Pfft. They were clearly Qatari. But they all look the same, right?

give me doughnuts: Yes.

You don't know that.

Hollywood Cole: Bringing up eyewitness accounts now makes you a racist. Got it.

No, it's jumping to conclusions without having the evidence. Try to notice the distinction.

paygun: Maybe so, but let's deal with the real issue here. This whole 9/11 thing was blown way out of proportion. The guys who flew those planes into those buildings were just really bad pilots. Everyone assumes they did it on purpose just because they're from the middle east.

*Sigh*, you really are that dense.

apeiron242: Nope, it's because he's Muslim. It's not based on how he looks, but his name. Did you read his full name? If a white dude with that name did this, i'd assume it was related to Islam. That wouldn't be racist. It WOULD be religious stereotyping, it would also be backed up by massive amounts of evidence.

i'll tell the girl at the campus bookstore that you're culturally thenthative. i'm sure she'll dig it until a non-wuss takes her from you.


Funny, I used to know a guy named Malik (Hasan's middle name). Went to church with him. Nice guy.
 
2009-11-06 05:27:22 PM
Hasan Shop...

Why oh why do I not get this...

/tired
//have to work tomorrow as well.
 
2009-11-06 05:28:14 PM
misanthropologist: ihatedumbpeople: He also shouted Allahu Akbar when shooting everyone, but why bring that up...let's concentrate on him buying coffee and hashbrowns.

Wouldn't want to offend all those Muslims out there that secretly love us.

First of all, all we've got from that stories is witnesses to a traumatic event. It may or may not have happened. I'd be convinced if there was video footage or something

I'm gonna' got out on a limb here and call bullshiat on you. NOTHING will convince you.

, but eyewitness accounts don't really do it for me anymore.

Second, just because he shouted out Allahu Ackbar before opening fire, doesn't mean he was a terrorist or a fundamentalist. If the guy who blew his brains out in a movie theater a couple weeks back had yelled out Jules Winnfield's bible quote before doing it, would he have been a militant Xtian fundamentalist terrorist?

This guy could just as easily have been experiencing a psychotic break. He's a shrink and works with PTSD sufferers. He's probably got a wicked case of stress trauma himself from hearing their farked up stories all the time. Add deployment orders on top of that and it's easy for a guy to lose it. We really don't know why this guy went a-killin, but it sure is easy to speculate that it's because he's all durka durka mohamed jihad.

Delusional people, PTSD sufferers, people with schizophrenia... they do all kinds of crazy shiat in the name of god or allah or the voices in their head. The problem isn't with a wider system of belief or religion, it's with the individual's inability to operate in society like a human being.



In all seriousness how the hell do you get PTSD secondhand ? All this dude did was hear STORIES of war. He never went and saw it firsthand. Even if he had deployed he would still only be hearing stories of it. This secondhand PTSD sounds like the Jack Thompson "Violent Video Games Made Him Do It" bullshiat defense (or watching violent movies)
 
2009-11-06 05:28:23 PM
I think what we should be asking is why---in the form of "why are we deploying mental health docs to go fight on the front lines?" It's not their job. It's not what they need to be doing and QUITE frankly it's pretty mentally abusive.. "hey I want you to debried these guys coming home. I want you to hear all the horrible stories. I want you to specifically work with PTSD----and then after hearing how horrible it all is..WE are going to deploy you." SERIOUSLY WTF?
 
2009-11-06 05:28:44 PM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

rikdanger: Strange. Bob never goes on a murdering rampage after a cup of MY coffee...

Now here's what I want to know. Which one of you guys is going to pay the dry cleaning bill for the pants I just peed a little in because I couldn't stop laughing?

/So very, very much win
 
2009-11-06 05:28:52 PM
misanthropologist: First of all, all we've got from that stories is witnesses to a traumatic event. It may or may not have happened. I'd be convinced if there was video footage or something, but eyewitness accounts don't really do it for me anymore.

Second, just because he shouted out Allahu Ackbar before opening fire, doesn't mean he was a terrorist or a fundamentalist. If the guy who blew his brains out in a movie theater a couple weeks back had yelled out Jules Winnfield's bible quote before doing it, would he have been a militant Xtian fundamentalist terrorist?

This guy could just as easily have been experiencing a psychotic break. He's a shrink and works with PTSD sufferers. He's probably got a wicked case of stress trauma himself from hearing their farked up stories all the time. Add deployment orders on top of that and it's easy for a guy to lose it. We really don't know why this guy went a-killin, but it sure is easy to speculate that it's because he's all durka durka mohamed jihad.

Delusional people, PTSD sufferers, people with schizophrenia... they do all kinds of crazy shiat in the name of god or allah or the voices in their head. The problem isn't with a wider system of belief or religion, it's with the individual's inability to operate in society like a human being.


He gets it.
 
2009-11-06 05:30:41 PM
coco ebert: Wait, people are seriously trying to pin this on Islam? Sorry America, I'm pretty sure angry white male Christians invented this particular brand of morbid outburst.

Yeah, but hey, sometimes you can poke a little fun out of their hysteria (new window).
 
2009-11-06 05:30:45 PM
One Bad Apple: In all seriousness how the hell do you get PTSD secondhand ? All this dude did was hear STORIES of war. He never went and saw it firsthand. Even if he had deployed he would still only be hearing stories of it. This secondhand PTSD sounds like the Jack Thompson "Violent Video Games Made Him Do It" bullshiat defense (or watching violent movies)

He has probably seen grown men do more horrifyingly pathetic things while under treatment than you or I ever would wish someone to have to witness. Knowing that going into a warzone does that to men, and now having to go into that very same warzone?
 
2009-11-06 05:31:09 PM
maybe he had too many of the 'black shots' with his energy coffee. In the domo cup of course.
 
2009-11-06 05:31:26 PM
misanthropologist: Second, just because he shouted out Allahu Ackbar before opening fire, doesn't mean he was a terrorist or a fundamentalist.

But it's not "just because" of that. He also was disciplined at Walter Reed for proselytizing patients about Islam and NPR reported that when he was supposed to be giving a lecture on the correct treatment for schizophrenia at a medical conference but instead went off "about how if you're a nonbeliever the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire."
 
2009-11-06 05:31:35 PM
7-11 - NEVER FORGET
 
2009-11-06 05:32:41 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent:

Or, he was just invoking his god during a heavily stressful situation.



I see where you're coming from. Murdering and injuring scores of innocent people can be pretty darned stressful. I know I always need a drink and a couple of recitations of Psalm 23 whenever I'm unleashing 40 pounds of rape on some coed. Thanks for understanding. People like us need people like you in our corner.

If you'll excuse me, I'm off to drop some nukes on a few orphanages. KYRIE ELEISON, BIATCHES!
 
2009-11-06 05:32:45 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: No, it's jumping to conclusions without having the evidence. Try to notice the distinction.

Jumping to conclusions without having the evidence? EYE farkING WITNESSES SAID he was walking around saying ALLAH AKBAR. EYE witnesses = people who were farking there.

Why are you so dense and bitter?
 
2009-11-06 05:34:11 PM
The fact that he went to 7/11 as usual and got coffee argues strongly against any type of regular psychotic break.

Brief reactive psychosis is in response to some immediate trigger- and if that was the case, then he must have go on base regularly armed with his non-military, illegal-to-carry-on-base weaponry (which speaks to a problem beyond brief reactive psychosis).

Psychotic people actually have a very hard time organizing their daily lives and carrying out their crazy plans.

He looks calm, cool and collected in the video.

A chronic borderline psychotic state is possible, as well. But my guess is that ordinary language covers it: he got more and more angry about his imminent deployment, thinking about revenge eased his angry feelings, but didn't delay his deployment.

So he threw himself into his revenge fantasy and into the hands of his god and went berserker.

His main symptom was extreme fear, which he had revealed to many people and which he finally acted upon.
 
2009-11-06 05:34:16 PM
The Invisible Sky Wizard: KYRIE ELEISON, BIATCHES!


Hey....a fellow Mr. Mister fan.

*Fist Bump*
 
2009-11-06 05:34:17 PM
Time for some good internment camps.
 
2009-11-06 05:34:42 PM
Anderson Cooper is really good looking though. so he can report on whatever he wants...
 
2009-11-06 05:34:46 PM
coco ebert: Don't try to play the victim card. Of course there are forms of violence that are particular to Muslim fundamentalist terrorists such as suicide bombings or hijackings, but not usually the shoot 'em up style of terror.

So the guy either has to suicide bomb or crash a plane into a building or it's not motivated by Islam. Glad we got that straight.
 
2009-11-06 05:35:01 PM
OtherLittleGuy: Let's see the Military go all Zero Tolerance Batshiat Crazy like the schools did after Columbine.

Beware the Trench Warfare Mafia.
 
2009-11-06 05:36:03 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: One Bad Apple: In all seriousness how the hell do you get PTSD secondhand ? All this dude did was hear STORIES of war. He never went and saw it firsthand. Even if he had deployed he would still only be hearing stories of it. This secondhand PTSD sounds like the Jack Thompson "Violent Video Games Made Him Do It" bullshiat defense (or watching violent movies)

He has probably seen grown men do more horrifyingly pathetic things while under treatment than you or I ever would wish someone to have to witness. Knowing that going into a warzone does that to men, and now having to go into that very same warzone?


Right, so let's call it Anticipatory Anxiety Disorder. Unless you want to say that no one has ever had anxiety about a potentially dangerous situation.
 
2009-11-06 05:36:15 PM
Cup_O_Jo: I think what we should be asking is why---in the form of "why are we deploying mental health docs to go fight on the front lines?" It's not their job. It's not what they need to be doing and QUITE frankly it's pretty mentally abusive.. "hey I want you to debried these guys coming home. I want you to hear all the horrible stories. I want you to specifically work with PTSD----and then after hearing how horrible it all is..WE are going to deploy you." SERIOUSLY WTF?

You really don't know much about PTSD and the military.

In all wars, some kind of psychiatric are is needed near the front. Do you not have any grandpas or relatives to ask about this?
 
2009-11-06 05:36:45 PM
coco ebert: Wait, people are seriously trying to pin this on Islam? Sorry America, I'm pretty sure angry white male Christians invented this particular brand of morbid outburst.

Why on Earth would Islam be a factor? (new window)
 
2009-11-06 05:37:09 PM
apeiron242: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: give me doughnuts: If a subsequent investigation revealed that he had been disciplined for proselytizing the Muslim faith to his patients and co-workers, and had previously made remarks that Muslims should "rise up" against America, then yeah, we could safely assume that his actions were influenced by his faith.

Contributory factors != proximate causation. Let's see, did he go apeshiat because he was a radical nut Muslim, or did he go mass-murderer because he was constantly dealing with the demons of the most psychologically damaged people in the military, was socially anxious, was having severe female problems, or maybe, I don't know, being sent off to freakin' Afghanistan in a few weeks?

The only reason people think Islam is the primary factor is because the guy's a freakin' Arab. That's why it's racism.

Nope, it's because he's Muslim. It's not based on how he looks, but his name. Did you read his full name? If a white dude with that name did this, i'd assume it was related to Islam. That wouldn't be racist. It WOULD be religious stereotyping, it would also be backed up by massive amounts of evidence.

i'll tell the girl at the campus bookstore that you're culturally thenthative. i'm sure she'll dig it until a non-wuss takes her from you.


The point. You missed it.
 
2009-11-06 05:37:27 PM
Wait a minute...he got hopped up on caffeine and then went on a rampage? Are you sure he was yelling, "Allah Akhbar," and not, "I am Cornholio!"?
 
2009-11-06 05:38:11 PM
Hollywood Cole: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: No, it's jumping to conclusions without having the evidence. Try to notice the distinction.

Jumping to conclusions without having the evidence? EYE farkING WITNESSES SAID he was walking around saying ALLAH AKBAR. EYE witnesses = people who were farking there.

Why are you so dense and bitter?


Yeah, I'm not for blaming this on Islam or anything but coming from a Muslim country, I know that one does not shout "Allah-u-Akbar" because he or she is under extreme stress. It has a very specific meaning in that situation.
 
2009-11-06 05:38:21 PM
Hollywood Cole: Why are you so dense and bitter?

Because if we admit that terrorism exists, that means that George Bush was a good president and Obama is a bad president.

Yes I know that's completely insane.
 
2009-11-06 05:38:21 PM
He went out in public in pajamas. Everyone should have known he was not right in the head.
 
2009-11-06 05:38:46 PM
Just wait. In a day or two we'll see Muslims dancing in the street from Cairo to Kandahar chanting, Hasan! Hasan! Hasan!

/lalalalalalala
//keep an eye on Aljazeera
 
2009-11-06 05:39:10 PM
Alien Robot: misanthropologist: Second, just because he shouted out Allahu Ackbar before opening fire, doesn't mean he was a terrorist or a fundamentalist.

But it's not "just because" of that. He also was disciplined at Walter Reed for proselytizing patients about Islam and NPR reported that when he was supposed to be giving a lecture on the correct treatment for schizophrenia at a medical conference but instead went off "about how if you're a nonbeliever the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire."


Citation?

Plus, this still doesn't make it a problem of Islam, and leaves open the possibility that he's a nutjob who happens to be Muslim (not unlike the nutjobs who kill abortion providers in the name of Jebus...)
 
2009-11-06 05:40:33 PM
white = good
black = slave
brown = terrorist

time for a new alert system!
 
2009-11-06 05:41:36 PM
GaryPDX: Just wait. In a day or two we'll see Muslims dancing in the street from Cairo to Kandahar chanting, Hasan! Hasan! Hasan!

/lalalalalalala
//keep an eye on Aljazeera


Yeah, because christians are not terrorists.
 
2009-11-06 05:41:58 PM
Hang On Voltaire: coco ebert: Wait, people are seriously trying to pin this on Islam? Sorry America, I'm pretty sure angry white male Christians invented this particular brand of morbid outburst.

Whaaaa??? Okay, so now we are sterotyping folks by how they commit murders? Didn't a comedian touch on this subject? (1) Methodically planned out bombing= white folks (2) Stabbing over a moon pie= black folks.

 
2009-11-06 05:42:12 PM
The_Sponge: The Invisible Sky Wizard: KYRIE ELEISON, BIATCHES!


Hey....a fellow Mr. Mister fan.

*Fist Bump*


I rock out to that shiat whenever I get all stressed out from running down nuns and puppies in my car.

/Seriously, I shamelessly *heart* that song and "Broken Wings."
 
2009-11-06 05:42:57 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: bushbot111: What's it like being an extremeist apologist? It sounds exhausting.

Coming from a troll with your handle, I find this highly amusing.


Just because you don't get my name, doesn't mean I'm a troll. And just because you are always on Fark saying really fundamentally stupid things, doesn't mean you're an idiot...mostly.
 
2009-11-06 05:43:02 PM
img35.imageshack.us

7-11 huh? things are starting to make sense.
 
2009-11-06 05:44:00 PM
coco ebert: Yeah, I'm not for blaming this on Islam or anything but coming from a Muslim country, I know that one does not shout "Allah-u-Akbar" because he or she is under extreme stress. It has a very specific meaning in that situation.

CAREFUL....as an eyewitness to this you might be jumping to conclusions.
 
2009-11-06 05:44:29 PM
One Bad Apple:
In all seriousness how the hell do you get PTSD secondhand ? All this dude did was hear STORIES of war. He never went and saw it firsthand. Even if he had deployed he would still only be hearing stories of it. This secondhand PTSD sounds like the Jack Thompson "Violent Video Games Made Him Do It" bullshiat defense (or watching violent movies)


It's not exactly PTSD, and wouldn't be diagnosed as such by a shrink, but people in jobs like this often end up with stress disorders and burn out. I hadn't really considered it before, but my girlfriend, who works in refugee and asylum law, was at a conference a couple of weeks ago and they had a session with a panel discussing with a shrink talking about this and the risks to one's mental health in this line of work. Same applies to social workers and other folks in the kinds of jobs where they come into contact with poverty and trauma on a regular basis.

And it's really nothing like the video games and violent movies defence. Dealing with real people is a much more intense experience, especially since with video games and violent movies you're in a context where you (usually, anyways, barring some kind of disorder) can make the distinction between reality and fiction (even if the movie does give you a nightmare...).
 
2009-11-06 05:44:47 PM
Lt. Cheese Weasel: 7-11 huh? things are starting to make sense.

Haha. That picture got me fired from the job I interviewed for on 9/11/01 as everything was happening. Go figure...
 
2009-11-06 05:44:59 PM
CygnusDarius: GaryPDX: Just wait. In a day or two we'll see Muslims dancing in the street from Cairo to Kandahar chanting, Hasan! Hasan! Hasan!

/lalalalalalala
//keep an eye on Aljazeera

Yeah, because christians are not terrorists.


Someone failed in debate class....way to go with the red herring
 
2009-11-06 05:45:57 PM
Hollywood Cole: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: No, it's jumping to conclusions without having the evidence. Try to notice the distinction.

Jumping to conclusions without having the evidence? EYE farkING WITNESSES SAID he was walking around saying ALLAH AKBAR. EYE witnesses = people who were farking there.


"People who were farking there" were saying all kinds of shiat yesterday (multiple shooters! high powered rifles! wounded SWAT officers! shots fired at a soldier's residence! the shooter is dead!). Forgive me for being a bit skeptical.
 
2009-11-06 05:47:21 PM
i291.photobucket.com
Lee Harvey Oswald was seen in the book depository cafeteria drinking a Coke a minute after Kennedy was shot.
 
2009-11-06 05:47:38 PM
misanthropologist: Alien Robot: misanthropologist: Second, just because he shouted out Allahu Ackbar before opening fire, doesn't mean he was a terrorist or a fundamentalist.

But it's not "just because" of that. He also was disciplined at Walter Reed for proselytizing patients about Islam and NPR reported that when he was supposed to be giving a lecture on the correct treatment for schizophrenia at a medical conference but instead went off "about how if you're a nonbeliever the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire."

Citation?


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120162816

"A source tells NPR's Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120162816

"But he seemed almost belligerent about being Muslim, and he gave a lecture one day that really freaked a lot of doctors out. They have grand rounds, right? They, you know, dozens of medical staff come into an auditorium, and somebody stands at the podium at the front and gives a lecture about some academic issue, you know, what drugs to prescribe for what condition. But instead of that, he - Hasan apparently gave a long lecture on the Koran and talked about how if you don't believe, you are condemned to hell. Your head is cut off. You're set on fire. Burning oil is burned down your throat."
 
2009-11-06 05:47:51 PM
mrEdude: white = good
black = slave
brown = terrorist

time for a new alert system!


Wow. Are you from the 1960s? From TV and media today I get:

white = criminal, child molestor, evil person
black = misunderstood genius
brown = noble doctor

I guess you don't watch a lot of TV/movies/news/anything
 
2009-11-06 05:47:51 PM
bushbot111: CygnusDarius: GaryPDX: Just wait. In a day or two we'll see Muslims dancing in the street from Cairo to Kandahar chanting, Hasan! Hasan! Hasan!

/lalalalalalala
//keep an eye on Aljazeera

Yeah, because christians are not terrorists.

Someone failed in debate class....way to go with the red herring


Never got in the first place.

But, in all honesty, it's still plausible that he went on to a farking mental breakdown, not just simple asshat religious zealotry.
 
2009-11-06 05:48:14 PM
CygnusDarius: GaryPDX: Just wait. In a day or two we'll see Muslims dancing in the street from Cairo to Kandahar chanting, Hasan! Hasan! Hasan!

/lalalalalalala
//keep an eye on Aljazeera

Yeah, because christians are not terrorists.


I'm just saying this guy will be idolized by the fundies in the middle east. He struck a blow against the infidel. It's only logical. And if he's executed, he'll become a Martyr.
 
2009-11-06 05:48:54 PM
see....this is why CNN ratings tanked.
 
2009-11-06 05:49:02 PM
cauth002: Hasan Shop...

Why oh why do I not get this...

/tired
//have to work tomorrow as well.


From Ali Baba Bunny:
www.hassanchop.com
 
2009-11-06 05:49:38 PM
CygnusDarius: bushbot111: CygnusDarius: GaryPDX: Just wait. In a day or two we'll see Muslims dancing in the street from Cairo to Kandahar chanting, Hasan! Hasan! Hasan!

/lalalalalalala
//keep an eye on Aljazeera

Yeah, because christians are not terrorists.

Someone failed in debate class....way to go with the red herring

Never got in the first place.

But, in all honesty, it's still plausible that he went on to a farking mental breakdown, not just simple asshat religious zealotry.


Yeah maybe. Except he was shouting Allah Akbar, so that argument really dies right there. I mean at what point does evidence trump political correctness?
 
2009-11-06 05:49:55 PM
paygun: coco ebert: Don't try to play the victim card. Of course there are forms of violence that are particular to Muslim fundamentalist terrorists such as suicide bombings or hijackings, but not usually the shoot 'em up style of terror.

So the guy either has to suicide bomb or crash a plane into a building or it's not motivated by Islam. Glad we got that straight.


No, you're using logical fallacies to promote your own opinion that Islam is a religion of terrorism. Fine. But don't pretend like you are presenting a finely tuned, well-reasoned argument. As a person who lives in a predominately Muslim country, I think it's sad that you have such a negative view of a large and diverse population of people.

Just as I would not attribute the actions of the guy who shot the abortion doctor to Christianity, I would not view this man as an archetype of Islam. His religion most likely was a factor, but it is not everything.
 
2009-11-06 05:50:05 PM
Mr. Chainsaw: Hollywood Cole: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: No, it's jumping to conclusions without having the evidence. Try to notice the distinction.

Jumping to conclusions without having the evidence? EYE farkING WITNESSES SAID he was walking around saying ALLAH AKBAR. EYE witnesses = people who were farking there.

"People who were farking there" were saying all kinds of shiat yesterday (multiple shooters! high powered rifles! wounded SWAT officers! shots fired at a soldier's residence! the shooter is dead!). Forgive me for being a bit skeptical.


He may have been saying "WHO KEYED MY CAR?!"
 
2009-11-06 05:51:18 PM
Alien Robot: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120162816

"A source tells NPR's Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time."


Oops, the first link is messed up. It should be this one:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120138496
 
2009-11-06 05:51:55 PM
Craptastic: cauth002: Hasan Shop...

Why oh why do I not get this...

/tired
//have to work tomorrow as well.

From Ali Baba Bunny:


Ahhh....those were the days. Thanks...I now understand.
 
2009-11-06 05:52:46 PM
The Invisible Sky Wizard: I see where you're coming from. Murdering and injuring scores of innocent people can be pretty darned stressful. I know I always need a drink and a couple of recitations of Psalm 23 whenever I'm unleashing 40 pounds of rape on some coed. Thanks for understanding. People like us need people like you in our corner.

If you'll excuse me, I'm off to drop some nukes on a few orphanages. KYRIE ELEISON, BIATCHES!


Not everyone's a sociopath.

Hollywood Cole: Jumping to conclusions without having the evidence? EYE farkING WITNESSES SAID he was walking around saying ALLAH AKBAR. EYE witnesses = people who were farking there.

Why are you so dense and bitter?


So, you know now that he's a devout Muslim. Which other evidence

would have also told you. Still says nothing about his motives.

darth_giggity: Right, so let's call it Anticipatory Anxiety Disorder. Unless you want to say that no one has ever had anxiety about a potentially dangerous situation.

You're absolutely right. Which is why you'll get prescribed anti-anxiety drugs if you have to go into a heavily stressful situation, such as if you have a fear of flying. Plenty of people have done really stupid things out of anxiety.

coco ebert: Yeah, I'm not for blaming this on Islam or anything but coming from a Muslim country, I know that one does not shout "Allah-u-Akbar" because he or she is under extreme stress. It has a very specific meaning in that situation.

Good to know. The religious motivation becomes a little more plausible.

paygun: Because if we admit that terrorism exists, that means that George Bush was a good president and Obama is a bad president.

Yes I know that's completely insane.


Your posts have been utterly revelatory in the vast limitations of your analytical reasoning.

bushbot111: Just because you don't get my name, doesn't mean I'm a troll. And just because you are always on Fark saying really fundamentally stupid things, doesn't mean you're an idiot...mostly.

You know, your mom thinks you're smart, too, and that you're such a good artist.
 
2009-11-06 05:53:08 PM
Just wait. In a post or two we'll see narrow-minded "christians" posting, Muslin! Terrorist! Whargarbl!

/derpderpderp
//keep an eye on fark
 
2009-11-06 05:53:11 PM
I'd give him some credit for atleast attacking a military base, where people signed up knowning that even though they were just looking for someone to pay for college, they might get shot at.


That beats some douchebag blowing himself up in a Starbucks any day.
 
2009-11-06 05:53:50 PM
GaryPDX: CygnusDarius: GaryPDX: Just wait. In a day or two we'll see Muslims dancing in the street from Cairo to Kandahar chanting, Hasan! Hasan! Hasan!

/lalalalalalala
//keep an eye on Aljazeera

Yeah, because christians are not terrorists.

I'm just saying this guy will be idolized by the fundies in the middle east. He struck a blow against the infidel. It's only logical. And if he's executed, he'll become a Martyr.


Yep, just like saw churches all across America praising Scott Roeder for striking a blow againt the abomination of abortion and the murdering abortion doctors. It's only logical.

/it's not logical at all.
//the far majority of muslims around the world will see this as the act of murder it was, just as the far majority of christians saw Tiller's kiling as murder.
 
2009-11-06 05:54:01 PM
coco ebert: paygun: coco ebert: Don't try to play the victim card. Of course there are forms of violence that are particular to Muslim fundamentalist terrorists such as suicide bombings or hijackings, but not usually the shoot 'em up style of terror.

So the guy either has to suicide bomb or crash a plane into a building or it's not motivated by Islam. Glad we got that straight.

No, you're using logical fallacies to promote your own opinion that Islam is a religion of terrorism.


Are you kidding me? Every freaking day I see evidence that Islam is a religion of terrorism. Why are you so set on pretending it's not? I don't wake up every day and say 'oh boy I wish Islam kills a bunch of people again today in the name of Allah'. They do that on their own. Maybe you should stop blaming people for pointing that out, because you just look really, really ridiculous.
 
2009-11-06 05:55:42 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: /it's not logical at all.
//the far majority of muslims around the world will see this as the act of murder it was, just as the far majority of christians saw Tiller's kiling as murder.


I guess you didn't see the "by the fundies" part of my comment.
 
2009-11-06 05:55:43 PM
coco ebert: His religion most likely was a factor, but it is not everything.

I think it was a factor. I think it was a big factor. I don't think the whole point of Islam is terrorism. I think fundamentalism itself is the problem. I think it's possible to be a nut first and a Muslim second, and I think it's possible to be a weak minded fool and latch on to a religion and then become a fanatical maniac.

I think if a person is a terrorist they're more likely to be a Muslim than a Mormon.
 
2009-11-06 05:56:47 PM
i259.photobucket.com

There are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.
 
2009-11-06 05:56:55 PM
bushbot111: coco ebert: paygun: coco ebert: Don't try to play the victim card. Of course there are forms of violence that are particular to Muslim fundamentalist terrorists such as suicide bombings or hijackings, but not usually the shoot 'em up style of terror.

So the guy either has to suicide bomb or crash a plane into a building or it's not motivated by Islam. Glad we got that straight.

No, you're using logical fallacies to promote your own opinion that Islam is a religion of terrorism.

Are you kidding me? Every freaking day I see evidence that Islam is a religion of terrorism. Why are you so set on pretending it's not? I don't wake up every day and say 'oh boy I wish Islam kills a bunch of people again today in the name of Allah'. They do that on their own. Maybe you should stop blaming people for pointing that out, because you just look really, really ridiculous.


And you look like a troll.

You're spouting generalized statements to get a rise out of people. Enjoy your trolling; it looks like you've hooked a few.
 
2009-11-06 05:58:28 PM
TheShavingofOccam123: bushbot111: coco ebert: paygun: coco ebert: Don't try to play the victim card. Of course there are forms of violence that are particular to Muslim fundamentalist terrorists such as suicide bombings or hijackings, but not usually the shoot 'em up style of terror.

So the guy either has to suicide bomb or crash a plane into a building or it's not motivated by Islam. Glad we got that straight.

No, you're using logical fallacies to promote your own opinion that Islam is a religion of terrorism.

Are you kidding me? Every freaking day I see evidence that Islam is a religion of terrorism. Why are you so set on pretending it's not? I don't wake up every day and say 'oh boy I wish Islam kills a bunch of people again today in the name of Allah'. They do that on their own. Maybe you should stop blaming people for pointing that out, because you just look really, really ridiculous.

And you look like a troll.

You're spouting generalized statements to get a rise out of people. Enjoy your trolling; it looks like you've hooked a few.


I get it. You call me a troll to try to defuse my arguments, but all it does is make you look like a mental midget. Please point out what I said that was incorrect. I'll wait. Or did you just want to call me a troll, run away and pat yourself on the back? Gotcha
 
2009-11-06 05:58:33 PM
Mr. Chainsaw: "People who were farking there" were saying all kinds of shiat yesterday (multiple shooters! high powered rifles! wounded SWAT officers! shots fired at a soldier's residence! the shooter is dead!). Forgive me for being a bit skeptical.

Ok I can explain this.
Mulitple shooters, high powered rifles:
If you only hear the gun shots you might not know how many or what kind of guns there are or how many people are firing.

Wounded SWAT, shooter is dead:
A person is bleeding on the pavement in a police officer's uniform and they aren't moving. Are they dead or alive? Are they just a cop or SWAT? Unless you are treating them you don't know.

Shouting ALLAH AKBAR:
That is a VERY specific phrase. It is HIGHLY unlikely they didn't hear him right. I seriously doubt he was saying "I LOCKED MY CAR" before he put a round in each of his victims.
 
2009-11-06 05:58:37 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Your posts have been utterly revelatory in the vast limitations of your analytical reasoning.

If the guy was screaming "Dwight Schrute is great!" while he shot people, I would assume he's a fan of The Office. I'm simple minded like that.
 
2009-11-06 05:59:51 PM
Mr. Chainsaw: Hollywood Cole: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: No, it's jumping to conclusions without having the evidence. Try to notice the distinction.

Jumping to conclusions without having the evidence? EYE farkING WITNESSES SAID he was walking around saying ALLAH AKBAR. EYE witnesses = people who were farking there.

"People who were farking there" were saying all kinds of shiat yesterday (multiple shooters! high powered rifles! wounded SWAT officers! shots fired at a soldier's residence! the shooter is dead!). Forgive me for being a bit skeptical.


Eye witnesses during stressful situations are notoriously unreliable. That being said I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually true, but I certainly believe there is more behind it than just "zomg he was a muslin terrarist".

What I find fairly disturbing is that he had been trying to get out of his army commitment for apparently a long time, even offering to pay back the money they had spent on his education, but they refused. Are we so desperate for troops that we keep crazy farkers that are clawing at the walls to try and get away, or is the screening process so bad we are taking people who are mentally/emotionally defective?

Don't get me wrong, this is a real tragedy, but I'm actually very concerned that we have some sort of systemic problem with our armed forces between this incident, the murders down in southern california a year ago, that teenage girl that was found dead in the base... that guy who killed a fellow female soldier and buried her in his back yard... you starting to see what I mean here?
 
2009-11-06 06:00:30 PM
misanthropologist: Plus, this still doesn't make it a problem of Islam, and leaves open the possibility that he's a nutjob who happens to be Muslim (not unlike the nutjobs who kill abortion providers in the name of Jebus...)

Tha's fine and all. The main difference is that nobody except for abortionists are afraid of being shot by some douchebag. If you want to equate it, then everyone would have to be afraid of being shot by an abortionist just because they happen to use the same currency as the abortionist and are, therefore, just as guilty.

Not that it makes it fun to be an abortionist.
 
2009-11-06 06:01:42 PM
Thanks for the Meme-ries: Lee Harvey Oswald was seen in the book depository cafeteria drinking a Coke a minute after Kennedy was shot.

Came for the conspiracy. left happy.
 
2009-11-06 06:02:08 PM
Alien Robot: misanthropologist: Alien Robot: misanthropologist: Second, just because he shouted out Allahu Ackbar before opening fire, doesn't mean he was a terrorist or a fundamentalist.

But it's not "just because" of that. He also was disciplined at Walter Reed for proselytizing patients about Islam and NPR reported that when he was supposed to be giving a lecture on the correct treatment for schizophrenia at a medical conference but instead went off "about how if you're a nonbeliever the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire."

Citation?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120162816

"A source tells NPR's Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120162816

"But he seemed almost belligerent about being Muslim, and he gave a lecture one day that really freaked a lot of doctors out. They have grand rounds, right? They, you know, dozens of medical staff come into an auditorium, and somebody stands at the podium at the front and gives a lecture about some academic issue, you know, what drugs to prescribe for what condition. But instead of that, he - Hasan apparently gave a long lecture on the Koran and talked about how if you don't believe, you are condemned to hell. Your head is cut off. You're set on fire. Burning oil is burned down your throat."


Thank you. Still, reading through the link, this is more about a failure by the Army to identify this guy as totally unsuitable for service than it is about a flaw with Islam. If he was really worrisome for four years while doing his psych residency, why was it not reported, why was he not evaluated, and why was he ultimately allowed near guns and scheduled for deployment?

So, I revise my position to state that: this guy is a nutjob, a whacko, and a danger to himself and others. This event may or may not have been brought on by his work as a shrink on traumatic stress, or by the traumatic stress he would also have experienced in that line of work. I maintain, though, that this is not a systematic problem with Islam, or that this particular guy went ape shiat and killed people because of Islam (or any other religion). This guy killed people because he was nuts. It's a variant on the guns don't kill people, people kill people argument. What I'm saying is that religions don't kill people, people kill people, sometimes using religion as a justification.

The problem, unfortunately, is that people have a really hard time distinguishing between nutjobs claiming religious belief as a justification for their actions, and religious institutions sanctioning the use of violence. There's a very important distinction, and if people understood it we wouldn't see the durka durka mohamed jihad anti-Islam (or anti-religion) discourse spewed all over fark and fox news. I'd prefer we saved our critique of religions and religious institutions for where they're warranted, like in terms of the anti-gay marriage debacle.
 
2009-11-06 06:02:23 PM
This latest Muslim-soldier-predictably-flips-his-shiat story has me thinking: during WWII, did the United States allow Nazis to join the military? We had freedom of speech and it wasn't illegal or anything to be a Nazi, so why didn't they? Because if you subscribe to the enemy's line of thinking, then you are simply untrustworthy at the very least. Unlike sex, ethnicity, or even sexual orientation, Islam is a series of rules that people voluntarily choose to believe in and adhere to. Choosing to discriminate against people because they uncritically subscribe to ass-backwards ideologies - such as Islam - isn't just natural and common farking sense, it should be the U.S. military's strict policy. They had this guy - an obvious nutcase Muslim - working as a psychiatrist at Walter Reed, no doubt listening to countless returning GIs' whining, self-excusing stories of "lighting up Hajjis" or massacring unarmed women and children at ridiculous and unnecessary roadblocks. Then they trained him on how to kill efficiently and gave him a gun. What did they think was going to happen?
 
2009-11-06 06:02:56 PM
paygun: If the guy was screaming "Dwight Schrute is great!" while he shot people, I would assume he's a fan of The Office. I'm simple minded like that.

Congratulations, you made a basic association - what does that mean? That he killed people because he's a fan of The Office?
 
2009-11-06 06:03:43 PM
misanthropologist: (not unlike the nutjobs who kill abortion providers in the name of Jebus...)

Why do you lefties keep trying to make this moral comparision?

There is not an international, religiously sanctioned movement to kill innocent people among Christians. There IS an international, religiously sanctioned war being waged against anyone who is non-muslim.

There is absolutely no comparison. It's like putting Hitler and a handful of gangbangers on the same plane. It makes no damned sense.

What is so wrong with admitting that there is a large, threatening subdivision of Muslims who want to see westerners dead? It's farking true. To hell with your liberal sensitivities. Face reality. Pretending that a war isn't being waged won't end the war. Marginializing the threat imposed by the soldiers of that war by trying to convince the world that it's just handful of independent whackjobs is batshiat insane.

I know you want to feel like you are more enlightened by taking a "nuanced" position on the matter. I know that going against conventional reason helps you feel like you are a special and unique flower. But your position is idiotic, and being a retard doesn't make you special.
 
2009-11-06 06:03:45 PM
RoxtarRyan: Britney Spear's Speculum: Does the military has capital punishment?
The real shame is that the taxpayers paid for his med school and he didn't fully fulfill his service obligation.

See, here's the confusing thing: According to TFA, he wanted to get out since 2001. Eight (at least eight, almost nine) years ago. Unless the man was on stop-loss for years at a time, which I highly doubt, he had to have re-enlisted since then. If he was biatching since '01 that he wanted out, why did he re-enlist? Doesn't make any goddamn sense. Sounds like he had a shiatload of problems in his dome.


He was an officer, he couldn't / didn't have to reenlist. Officers have a minimum contract that they must fulfill, and then if they want out, they can separate, barring things like stop loss (which is only directly before and during deployment.) His minimum obligation, however, was no doubt fairly long as he was put through medical school by the Army, at least in my understanding.

/Former Captain, two combat tours.
//Absolutely staggered at this entire situation.
 
2009-11-06 06:04:02 PM
misanthropologist: Alien Robot: misanthropologist: Second, just because he shouted out Allahu Ackbar before opening fire, doesn't mean he was a terrorist or a fundamentalist.

But it's not "just because" of that. He also was disciplined at Walter Reed for proselytizing patients about Islam and NPR reported that when he was supposed to be giving a lecture on the correct treatment for schizophrenia at a medical conference but instead went off "about how if you're a nonbeliever the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire."

Citation?

Plus, this still doesn't make it a problem of Islam, and leaves open the possibility that he's a nutjob who happens to be Muslim (not unlike the nutjobs who kill abortion providers in the name of Jebus...)


From all the evidence thus far, this doesn't sound like a nutjob who just happened to be Muslim. This guy had several past examples of being idelogically opposed to what his co-workers was doing, and even got in arguments with these people about what they are doing and supporting. Then he killed a bunch of them while shouting Allah Akbar.

But yeah, maybe that's a huge coincidence.
 
2009-11-06 06:04:13 PM
Newsweek had an article today about the high instance of stress disorders and depression in Chaplains and psychiatrists in the military for the precise reason someone stated above. These people are supposed to be the ones helping returning soldiers and in the process are constantly being subjected to stories of horror and the acute suffering of their patients. Unfortunately, they're not always able to help. Some patients commit suicide, some get divorced, some go off the rails... So the counselors fall into a depressive state of their own. And because they're the ones who are supposed to be helping people, they don't seek treatment like they should when they start having problems of their own. Here it is (new window), interesting read.
 
2009-11-06 06:04:26 PM
Shostie: FINALLY!!! The question of whether or not the shooter bought coffee is solved!! Rest easy, now, America!

Obama said that EVERY question would be answered.
 
2009-11-06 06:05:38 PM
Well put, misanthropologist .
 
2009-11-06 06:07:31 PM
Nelly Furtaco: This latest Muslim-soldier-predictably-flips-his-shiat story has me thinking: during WWII, did the United States allow Nazis to join the military? We had freedom of speech and it wasn't illegal or anything to be a Nazi, so why didn't they? Because if you subscribe to the enemy's line of thinking, then you are simply untrustworthy at the very least. Unlike sex, ethnicity, or even sexual orientation, Islam is a series of rules that people voluntarily choose to believe in and adhere to. Choosing to discriminate against people because they uncritically subscribe to ass-backwards ideologies - such as Islam - isn't just natural and common farking sense, it should be the U.S. military's strict policy. They had this guy - an obvious nutcase Muslim - working as a psychiatrist at Walter Reed, no doubt listening to countless returning GIs' whining, self-excusing stories of "lighting up Hajjis" or massacring unarmed women and children at ridiculous and unnecessary roadblocks. Then they trained him on how to kill efficiently and gave him a gun. What did they think was going to happen?



This guy never should have been anywhere near a battlefield in WWII. Never mind that he won a Medal of Honor, HE THINKS LIKE THEM!!!
 
2009-11-06 06:07:41 PM
How likely is it that he had the dough to pay back his loans?

Maybe he said, 'hey let me quit and I will pay you next tuesday for a hamburger today.'

otherwise, let him off, but charge him atleast double for the loans, probably triple since they wasted time training his ass instead of someone else.
 
2009-11-06 06:07:44 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: paygun: If the guy was screaming "Dwight Schrute is great!" while he shot people, I would assume he's a fan of The Office. I'm simple minded like that.

Congratulations, you made a basic association - what does that mean? That he killed people because he's a fan of The Office?


If he worked on the set of a show that was fighting a war with the office, and routinely got in arguments with his co-workers about this conflict, then yes.

I'd tell you not to quit your day job to be a dectective, but I don't think that you don't understand this. I think you do, it just is inconvienent to process against your butterflies and rainbows political beliefs. You are making yourself look pretty foolish in the process though.
 
drp
2009-11-06 06:08:02 PM
Atypical Person Reading Fark: Yesterday, some kind person explained more about the route that this Major used to get into medical school.

Me again ...

First, he was in ROTC at Virginia Tech, then he went to medical school at a military medical school - he was then sent to a residency paid for by the military. He was then obligated to pay them back with X numbers of years of service,

Right, although an additional wrinkle in all this is that he could've started paying back those years of obligated service in 2007 when he finished residency. Instead he chose to get more training (a fellowship in disaster/emergency psychiatry IIRC) which stopped the payback clock and pushed back the date he could get out.

Time in training is 'dead time' so by choosing to do a fellowship he electively CHOSE to extend his time in the Army. Like accepting the med school scholarship itself, this is also not done accidentally - we sign binding legal documents agreeing to remain on active duty when we accept residency or fellowship positions.

Some people are arguing that since he originally joined before 9/11 and the military/world changed while he stayed the same, perhaps he could've been cut some slack. Except his decision to do a fellowship and extend his Army committment was made after he finished residency in 2007, long after 9/11, deep into both the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts.

While in fellowship, he was nondeployable. Maybe the only reason he did the fellowship was to keep himself off the deployment list for a while ... perhaps until GWB was out of office and in the hopes that his successor would bring everyone home. Looks like he gambled on that and lost.

He did everything he could to try and get out of this deployment. He made statements regarded as controversial by other army personnel. Instead of kindly acquiescing to his wishes, the Army saw fit to deploy him against his wishes.

In fairness, lots of people try to get out of deployments. Women get pregnant, guys finally get around to that elective knee surgery they've been putting off, crazy people skip town or shoot themselves in the leg during a staged ATM robbery then biatch & moan about how the leg hurts to guys like me every minute of the flight over there.

The Army can't simply "kindly acquiesce" to someone's misgivings about deploying, for obvious reasons.

Before my last trip to Iraq, I arranged for about 15 Marines to be administratively separated for a variety of reasons, usually personality disorders. It wasn't worth the distraction and hassle of dragging them along against their will. They got out and got on with their lives.

But if you're a physician, this isn't an easily available exit. For one, the military is a lot more willing to write off an E2 rifleman than a physician in an undermanned war-critical specialty whose college, med school, residency, and fellowship were funded by the government. Two, the physician himself who is discharged for psychiatric reasons (even something as simple as a personality disorder) is going to have problems with future attempts to get credentialed or licensed.

If he had managed to make nice at Walter Reed, he'd still be there - but he didn't. The Army retaliated by shipping him ever closer to Afghanistan. He then worked out his own strategy of fighting back.

I don't think it's correct to say the Army retaliated. It is well known and simply understood that when you're done with training, you are eligible for deployment, and you will get sent someplace.

Also, it's not surprising that when he was done with training at Walter Reed that he got moved to another Army hospital. This happens to the great majority of residency and fellowship graduates - a few stay at the same institution, but most go elsewhere. The fact that they sent him to Texas doesn't itself imply either punishment or an attempt to get rid of a problem doctor.

An appropriate and perhaps even honorable way for him to fight back if he truly believed the wars were unjust and morally objectionable would have been to simply refuse to deploy and accept the legal and financial consequences. Or he could've fled to another country.

Lots of people avoid deployment, with varying degrees of honor integrity, without shooting 40 or 50 people.

This attack was not the fault of a malicious or even indifferent Army beaurocracy sticking it to Hasan.
 
2009-11-06 06:08:44 PM
Sorry, I mean him:

www.all4ed.org
 
2009-11-06 06:09:56 PM
misanthropologist: It's not exactly PTSD, and wouldn't be diagnosed as such by a shrink, but people in jobs like this often end up with stress disorders and burn out. I hadn't really considered it before, but my girlfriend, who works in refugee and asylum law, was at a conference a couple of weeks ago and they had a session with a panel discussing with a shrink talking about this and the risks to one's mental health in this line of work. Same applies to social workers and other folks in the kinds of jobs where they come into contact with poverty and trauma on a regular basis.

This is true. I've done field work with political refugees and it's rough. You have to look after yourself. Hearing stories of torture and abuse daily is not easy. I have no idea what role that could have played in this man's killing rampage but there's a reason why psychiatrists are required to see a psychiatrist for a period in their career.
 
2009-11-06 06:10:13 PM
I like that frothy retards are saying that we should start booting Muslims out of the armed services.

Good plan, dipshiats.


We're going to see what kind of respect racist/religiously intolerant conservatives really have for "the troops" in the coming days.
 
2009-11-06 06:10:55 PM
misanthropologist: this guy is a nutjob, a whacko, and a danger to himself and others.

I think this can also be attributed to a large segment of fundamentalist Muslims that call for Jihad, yes?
 
2009-11-06 06:11:27 PM
Nelly Furtaco: This latest Muslim-soldier-predictably-flips-his-shiat story has me thinking: during WWII, did the United States allow Nazis to join the military? We had freedom of speech and it wasn't illegal or anything to be a Nazi, so why didn't they? Because if you subscribe to the enemy's line of thinking, then you are simply untrustworthy at the very least. Unlike sex, ethnicity, or even sexual orientation, Islam is a series of rules that people voluntarily choose to believe in and adhere to. Choosing to discriminate against people because they uncritically subscribe to ass-backwards ideologies - such as Islam - isn't just natural and common farking sense, it should be the U.S. military's strict policy. They had this guy - an obvious nutcase Muslim - working as a psychiatrist at Walter Reed, no doubt listening to countless returning GIs' whining, self-excusing stories of "lighting up Hajjis" or massacring unarmed women and children at ridiculous and unnecessary roadblocks. Then they trained him on how to kill efficiently and gave him a gun. What did they think was going to happen?



What's it like being a throbbing dumb-ass?
 
2009-11-06 06:12:05 PM
Occam's Nailfile: misanthropologist: (not unlike the nutjobs who kill abortion providers in the name of Jebus...)

Why do you lefties keep trying to make this moral comparision?

There is not an international, religiously sanctioned movement to kill innocent people among Christians. There IS an international, religiously sanctioned war being waged against anyone who is non-muslim.

There is absolutely no comparison. It's like putting Hitler and a handful of gangbangers on the same plane. It makes no damned sense.

What is so wrong with admitting that there is a large, threatening subdivision of Muslims who want to see westerners dead? It's farking true. To hell with your liberal sensitivities. Face reality. Pretending that a war isn't being waged won't end the war. Marginializing the threat imposed by the soldiers of that war by trying to convince the world that it's just handful of independent whackjobs is batshiat insane.

I know you want to feel like you are more enlightened by taking a "nuanced" position on the matter. I know that going against conventional reason helps you feel like you are a special and unique flower. But your position is idiotic, and being a retard doesn't make you special.


What about religious White Supremists who use their "churches" and religious doctrines to justify violence against non-white non-christians?

Who's sanctifying the war on all non-muslims?
 
2009-11-06 06:12:37 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: paygun: If the guy was screaming "Dwight Schrute is great!" while he shot people, I would assume he's a fan of The Office. I'm simple minded like that.

Congratulations, you made a basic association - what does that mean? That he killed people because he's a fan of The Office?


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2009-11-06 06:13:03 PM
bushbot111: TheShavingofOccam123: bushbot111: coco ebert: paygun: coco ebert: Don't try to play the victim card. Of course there are forms of violence that are particular to Muslim fundamentalist terrorists such as suicide bombings or hijackings, but not usually the shoot 'em up style of terror.

So the guy either has to suicide bomb or crash a plane into a building or it's not motivated by Islam. Glad we got that straight.

No, you're using logical fallacies to promote your own opinion that Islam is a religion of terrorism.

Are you kidding me? Every freaking day I see evidence that Islam is a religion of terrorism. Why are you so set on pretending it's not? I don't wake up every day and say 'oh boy I wish Islam kills a bunch of people again today in the name of Allah'. They do that on their own. Maybe you should stop blaming people for pointing that out, because you just look really, really ridiculous.

And you look like a troll.

You're spouting generalized statements to get a rise out of people. Enjoy your trolling; it looks like you've hooked a few.

I get it. You call me a troll to try to defuse my arguments, but all it does is make you look like a mental midget. Please point out what I said that was incorrect. I'll wait. Or did you just want to call me a troll, run away and pat yourself on the back? Gotcha


Arguments? Oh, you mean bombs you throw to get a rise out of people?

Making a general statement that Islam is terrorists? That's trolling. That isn't an argument.

What I am going to do is put you on ignore like anyone else can by:

1. left clicking on the person's name in the blue bar
2. clicking add next to not on ignore list in the new window.

Then I'm going to report you to the mods for trolling. Enjoy having your ignorance added to.
 
2009-11-06 06:15:57 PM
TheShavingofOccam123: bushbot111: TheShavingofOccam123: bushbot111: coco ebert: paygun: coco ebert: Don't try to play the victim card. Of course there are forms of violence that are particular to Muslim fundamentalist terrorists such as suicide bombings or hijackings, but not usually the shoot 'em up style of terror.

So the guy either has to suicide bomb or crash a plane into a building or it's not motivated by Islam. Glad we got that straight.

No, you're using logical fallacies to promote your own opinion that Islam is a religion of terrorism.

Are you kidding me? Every freaking day I see evidence that Islam is a religion of terrorism. Why are you so set on pretending it's not? I don't wake up every day and say 'oh boy I wish Islam kills a bunch of people again today in the name of Allah'. They do that on their own. Maybe you should stop blaming people for pointing that out, because you just look really, really ridiculous.

And you look like a troll.

You're spouting generalized statements to get a rise out of people. Enjoy your trolling; it looks like you've hooked a few.

I get it. You call me a troll to try to defuse my arguments, but all it does is make you look like a mental midget. Please point out what I said that was incorrect. I'll wait. Or did you just want to call me a troll, run away and pat yourself on the back? Gotcha

Arguments? Oh, you mean bombs you throw to get a rise out of people?

Making a general statement that Islam is terrorists? That's trolling. That isn't an argument.

What I am going to do is put you on ignore like anyone else can by:

1. left clicking on the person's name in the blue bar
2. clicking add next to not on ignore list in the new window.

Then I'm going to report you to the mods for trolling. Enjoy having your ignorance added to.


Actually, that's not what I said. Way to be scared of a debate, lie, ignore someone, and then threaten to tell on them for the lie. I bet you are real fun at parties.

Please, please put me on ignore. The prospect of never speaking to you again is very agreeable to me.
 
2009-11-06 06:16:38 PM
paygun:

I think if a person is a terrorist they're more likely to be a Muslim than a Mormon.

At this point in time, yes. But that's due to historical political-economic factors that have brought the world to the point it's at right now. That could (and probably will) change over time. Not to say that Mormons will become terrorists, but rather that religious affiliation is less a determinant of using terrorist tactics than other factors, like being engaged in an ongoing political struggle and using violence as means in that. Hell, the Tamil Tigers were using terrorism like pros for the past several decades. Not because they were Muslim (most of them are not) but because they thought it would be an effective weapon in their struggle. Further, this didn't make all Tamils into terrorists, except in the eyes of the Sri Lankan government. And, using religion, or ethnicity, or political affiliation, or class as a justification for violence doesn't make religion, ethnicity, or political affiliation the cause of the violent act.

And also, it's not straight-forward to define this event as terrorism. We don't really know what his motives were, and terrorism is more about the intent than the specific action. Of course, I recognize that a Muslim lunatic going on a killing-spree is easily identified as terrorism by an American public predisposed to think of Muslims as terrorists (and terrorists as Muslims). If he were an Xtian fundamentalist who shouted out something about bringing down the Lord's burning rain on sinners while going on a shooting spree, he'd just be called a nutjob, and people would not likely claim that Xtianity was the reason for the event, or that his faith somehow predisposed him to violence.
 
2009-11-06 06:19:05 PM
misanthropologist: I think if a person is a terrorist they're more likely to be a Muslim than a Mormon.

At this point in time, yes.


Well, 'this point in time' is where most of us happen to be living right now.

Maybe you live somewhen else.
 
2009-11-06 06:19:54 PM
oh wow....no, fukin' booooooooorrrrrrrrriiiiiiiing!
 
2009-11-06 06:20:23 PM
misanthropologist:

If he were an Xtian fundamentalist who shouted out something about bringing down the Lord's burning rain on sinners while going on a shooting spree, he'd just be called a nutjob, and people would not likely claim that Xtianity was the reason for the event, or that his faith somehow predisposed him to violence.


Are you freaking kidding me? I don't know if you're aware but the media does not like christians. The absolute first thing that would be mentioned is that they were a christian. That's just common knowledge. I can't believe anyone would have had access to any media the last 20 years and have the opinion you have.

Damn you for making me defend christians!
 
2009-11-06 06:21:27 PM
I was at the 7-11.
I ate a burrito.
I drank a Slurpee.
I was tired.
It was late, after work washing dishes.
The burrito was good. I had another.

I did it every day for a week.
I did it every day for a month.

To cook a burrito you tear off the plastic wrapper.
You push button #3 on the microwave.
Burritos are large, small, or medium.
Red or green chili peppers.
Beef or bean or both.
There are 7-11's all across the nation.

On the way out I bought a quart of beer for $1.39.
I was aware of social injustice
In only the vaguest possible way.

Capitalist Poem #5, Campbell McGrath
 
2009-11-06 06:22:23 PM
Occam's Nailfile: misanthropologist: (not unlike the nutjobs who kill abortion providers in the name of Jebus...)

Why do you lefties keep trying to make this moral comparision?

There is not an international, religiously sanctioned movement to kill innocent people among Christians. There IS an international, religiously sanctioned war being waged against anyone who is non-muslim.

There is absolutely no comparison. It's like putting Hitler and a handful of gangbangers on the same plane. It makes no damned sense.

What is so wrong with admitting that there is a large, threatening subdivision of Muslims who want to see westerners dead? It's farking true. To hell with your liberal sensitivities. Face reality. Pretending that a war isn't being waged won't end the war. Marginializing the threat imposed by the soldiers of that war by trying to convince the world that it's just handful of independent whackjobs is batshiat insane.

I know you want to feel like you are more enlightened by taking a "nuanced" position on the matter. I know that going against conventional reason helps you feel like you are a special and unique flower. But your position is idiotic, and being a retard doesn't make you special.


I love you.
 
2009-11-06 06:24:02 PM
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Nature abhors a vacuum. Why exactly were you drilling a hole in your head, again?
 
2009-11-06 06:24:19 PM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

Hasan like!
 
2009-11-06 06:24:45 PM
steklo: www.catchwordbranding.com

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2009-11-06 06:27:43 PM
Barakku: steklo: www.catchwordbranding.com

Energy Coffee. Brought to you by the creators of Alcoholic Beer and Hot Fire


Alcoholic beer? Aww yeah that's my favorite
 
2009-11-06 06:29:45 PM
coffee, nose, keyboard you owe me! JIHAD!
 
2009-11-06 06:31:56 PM
Occam's Nailfile: misanthropologist: (not unlike the nutjobs who kill abortion providers in the name of Jebus...)

Why do you lefties keep trying to make this moral comparision?

There is not an international, religiously sanctioned movement to kill innocent people among Christians. There IS an international, religiously sanctioned war being waged against anyone who is non-muslim.


How did you know I'm left-handed? Oh, I see, you mean "leftist" as in a socialist or communist... that should have been enough to convince me to just ignore you...

While there are fundamentalists and extremist groups using Islam and the idea of Jihad as a justification for terrorism and war, you're exagerating the extent of this belief amongst Muslims. While there is less violence by fundamentalist Xtians, this comparison remains valid in that individuals or groups of people are using claims of religious righteousness to justify violent acts for the express purpose of achieving political ends. I'd be happier if they all left religion out of the mix and openly identified as politically-motivated rather than sanctioned-by-god(s), but they don't, partly because it's easy to motivate people with claims of infallibility. On the other hand, there are historical examples of using political ideology to justify violence for the express purpose of achieving political ends (like revolutions, wars of Independence, burning the Reichstag [although I'd make a special category for false-flag operations] etc, etc, etc).


There is absolutely no comparison. It's like putting Hitler and a handful of gangbangers on the same plane. It makes no damned sense.


You mean the same plane that took Elvis and Hitler to the moon together, where they live to this day? Re-read what I wrote above, it might get through a second time.


What is so wrong with admitting that there is a large, threatening subdivision of Muslims who want to see westerners dead? It's farking true.

Nothing's wrong with that. There's a problem if you overstate the size of that subdivision (I wouldn't call it large...), and even more of a problem if you try to claim that the religion somehow is the cause of fundamentalism. Extremism is a political phenomenon that is found in religions, cultures, and political parties, which tend to make reference to and literal interpretations of written scriptures. It's a kind of politically-motivated orthodoxy and it's dangerous, whether it's religious, political, ethnic, etc, etc, fundamentalism.


To hell with your liberal sensitivities. Face reality. Pretending that a war isn't being waged won't end the war. Marginializing the threat imposed by the soldiers of that war by trying to convince the world that it's just handful of independent whackjobs is batshiat insane.

And going off the deep-end with your clash of civilizations bullshiat isn't going to do much other than inflame the problem and lead to more violence, not to mention the trampling of the civil liberties and modern society that people like you claim to defend.

And also, in this case, it was just one, independent whackjob who was batshiat insane. No one, other than people like you, has suggested a conspiracy or involvement of a terrorist group in this case.

I know you want to feel like you are more enlightened by taking a "nuanced" position on the matter. I know that going against conventional reason helps you feel like you are a special and unique flower. But your position is idiotic, and being a retard doesn't make you special.

There's a special spot in hell (which you probably believe in anyways) for people who spout obscurantist garbage like you do. I encourage you to take up arms against the big bad Muslim world, and even against "liberal" elitists like me, and I hope that you are gravely wounded and allowed to suffer unimaginable pain before dying unceremoniously and without the knowledge of your loved ones. In other words, DIAF douchebag.
 
2009-11-06 06:36:12 PM
Burning_Monk: Occam's Nailfile: misanthropologist: (not unlike the nutjobs who kill abortion providers in the name of Jebus...)

Why do you lefties keep trying to make this moral comparision?

There is not an international, religiously sanctioned movement to kill innocent people among Christians. There IS an international, religiously sanctioned war being waged against anyone who is non-muslim.

There is absolutely no comparison. It's like putting Hitler and a handful of gangbangers on the same plane. It makes no damned sense.

What is so wrong with admitting that there is a large, threatening subdivision of Muslims who want to see westerners dead? It's farking true. To hell with your liberal sensitivities. Face reality. Pretending that a war isn't being waged won't end the war. Marginializing the threat imposed by the soldiers of that war by trying to convince the world that it's just handful of independent whackjobs is batshiat insane.

I know you want to feel like you are more enlightened by taking a "nuanced" position on the matter. I know that going against conventional reason helps you feel like you are a special and unique flower. But your position is idiotic, and being a retard doesn't make you special.

What about religious White Supremists who use their "churches" and religious doctrines to justify violence against non-white non-christians?

Who's sanctifying the war on all non-muslims?


First of all, white supremacists are racists, who commit violence based upon the color of one's skin, not their religious preference. You don't see white supremacists running around killing white muslims, or white buddhists, or white FSM devotees.

But let's assume your implication is accurate - that white supremacist religious fundamentalists are indicative of Christianity in general. Please give me a count of the people who have died in the past ten years at the hands of white supremacist religious fundamentalists, and a count of people who have died at the hands of Muslims screaming "Allahu Akbar" as they commit acts of terror. I am sure the ratios are at LEAST a thousand fold different, if not more.

One is an example of nutjob fringe groups. The other is an example of an international movement. The numbers don't lie.

And who is sanctifying the war on all non-muslims? About half of the religious leaders in the middle east. Some very publicly, some with organized underground arms support, propaganda machines, and political policies.

If a government run by white supremacists pops up that had made its public policy to wipe Israel off the map, I will begin to see your side of the argument. Until then, please have a nice warm slice of STFU pie.
 
2009-11-06 06:36:39 PM
Wait till Obama repeals DADT then we'll have all those fruity Ay-Rab interpreters in the Army. Wearing man dresses and all.

/tho they may not blow themselves up cause they have no use for 72 virgins.
//and they will probably go to Starbucks for a Venti.
///am i doing this right?
 
2009-11-06 06:38:53 PM
hate to break it to ya'll, but the clothes he was wearing that morning were indicative of his mindset and what kind style of islam he practiced. How many american muslims who were born and raised here practice a brand of islam so strict that they actually wear the garb? Usually it's only the ones who immigrated here. For an Army officer to be wearing something like that and to be born and raised here is very telling of how he practiced.

if he just wore jeans and a shirt, I probably would have just written him off as a killer who happened to be a muslim, but his garb is very a telling indication which we should pay attention to in analyzing the case.
 
2009-11-06 06:39:50 PM
nogames2k4: Wait till Obama repeals DADT then we'll have all those fruity Ay-Rab interpreters in the Army. Wearing man dresses and all.

/tho they may not blow themselves up cause they have no use for 72 virgins.
//and they will probably go to Starbucks for a Venti.
///am i doing this right?


Needs work but your on the right path.
 
2009-11-06 06:40:35 PM
bushbot111: misanthropologist:

If he were an Xtian fundamentalist who shouted out something about bringing down the Lord's burning rain on sinners while going on a shooting spree, he'd just be called a nutjob, and people would not likely claim that Xtianity was the reason for the event, or that his faith somehow predisposed him to violence.

Are you freaking kidding me? I don't know if you're aware but the media does not like christians. The absolute first thing that would be mentioned is that they were a christian. That's just common knowledge. I can't believe anyone would have had access to any media the last 20 years and have the opinion you have.

Damn you for making me defend christians!


You missed the point of what I said, and I don't think you've actually defended xtians on that (so rest assured, you can leave your hate on).

My point wasn't that they'd carefully avoid identifying the person's religious affiliation. In fact, they'd probably do the same as in this case, report what eye-witnesses heard and leave it up to us to decipher. We all know that "Hellfire and Hallelujah," or whatever the xtian equivalent is, and "Allahu Ackbar" identify someone as belonging to a religion and we don't have to be explicitly told.

My point was, if a similar event occured and it was a white guy and he yelled out "John 3:16 motherfarkers" before his shooting spree, people would probably not claim that Xtianity CAUSED him to kill people. Rather we would be saying he's a farked-up psycho who happens to think that Jebus told him to kill folks. I know, the difference is sublte, and here on fark we would have a lot of people using that hypothetical event as evidence in their ongoing "religion-is-bad" jizzfest, but overall, people recognize a Xtian nutjob as a nutjob first and an Xtian second, and a Muslim nutjob as a Muslim first and a Muslim second (and as commanded by either mohamed or bin laden rather than driven by his own zealotry).

And also, as much as the MSM hates Xtians (and I can't really say because over the past 8 years I've lived in an apartment with a TV for about 6 months), you're exagerating how they would report the story to support your (flawed) interpretation of what I said.

Got it?
 
2009-11-06 06:43:48 PM
misanthropologist: Nothing's wrong with that. There's a problem if you overstate the size of that subdivision (I wouldn't call it large...),

And I wouldn't call you conscious, or at least sober.

It's large enough that Al Jazeera television airs video of westerners getting their living farking heads sawed off from their bodies. It's large enough that when the Lockerbie bomber came home, thousands of people danced in the streets celebrating his freedom. It's large enough that heads of state in countries like Iran can publicly call for the genocide of an entire freaking nation.

You really are kinda dense.

There's a special spot in hell (which you probably believe in anyways) for people who spout obscurantist garbage like you do. I encourage you to take up arms against the big bad Muslim world, and even against "liberal" elitists like me, and I hope that you are gravely wounded and allowed to suffer unimaginable pain before dying unceremoniously and without the knowledge of your loved ones. In other words, DIAF douchebag.

Struck a nerve, I see. Folks, maybe he CAN be taught.
 
2009-11-06 06:44:17 PM
Every day for the past ten years, Hasan here's been coming in for a large black coffee- except today he gets a large black coffee and it has sugar in it. Alotta sugar. He just went to complain.
 
2009-11-06 06:47:16 PM
Occam's Nailfile:
If a government run by white supremacists pops up that had made its public policy to wipe Israel off the map, I will begin to see your side of the argument. Until then, please have a nice warm slice of STFU pie.


I'm sorry I wasted my time and energy responding to you before. I should have realized that you're actually just ignorant. The best part of this post is how you use a state run by a fundamentalist, totalitarian regime - Iran - to represent Islam in general, when within that very state there has been a very public and widespread movement AGAINST the totalitarian regime.

The fact that you even think you are justified in continuing to breath, let alone to speak publicly and to call other people stupid, is insulting.
 
2009-11-06 06:49:55 PM
Occam's Nailfile: misanthropologist: Nothing's wrong with that. There's a problem if you overstate the size of that subdivision (I wouldn't call it large...),

And I wouldn't call you conscious, or at least sober.

It's large enough that Al Jazeera television airs video of westerners getting their living farking heads sawed off from their bodies. It's large enough that when the Lockerbie bomber came home, thousands of people danced in the streets celebrating his freedom. It's large enough that heads of state in countries like Iran can publicly call for the genocide of an entire freaking nation.

You really are kinda dense.


You probably think that Fox news was accurately broadcasting the teabagger march on DC a couple weeks ago too, don't you?

/done now. I've got better things to do now that it's quitting time and happy hour has started...
 
2009-11-06 06:51:04 PM
misanthropologist: The fact that you even think you are justified in continuing to breath

Isn't it a law of the internet that the probability of making a dumb spelling mistake is equally proportional to the amount of insult you are directing at another user?
 
2009-11-06 06:53:31 PM
2:20
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HE'S A DJINN. WAKE UP SHEEPLE
 
2009-11-06 06:54:44 PM
Huh, I wonder what his motive was? I mean, we fed him, and educated him on the US taxpayers back, and he was fine with "serving" in the US military, ... until that is, he was asked to actually serve, and help fight the shiataliban, then, for some reason, he had a problem with this.

I wonder what his motivation was? Could it be the happy extermination of some infidels, rather than fighting his brothers?

claim all the p-ssy political correctness you want, sometimes, the answer is super clear.

as one who has witnessed the hatred and logic of muslims toward "infidels", this does NOT surprise me, this is NOT news.

as long as you feed them and educate them for free, they like you, but ask them to show their true allegiance with real acts of fighting the shieats out there, and you may not like the answer.

/muhammed, when he was in his fifites, had sex with a 9 year girl who actually was playing with dolls. with a a-hole tard' leader like that, as far a shieatty beliefs, shieatlam is on top, then followed by the rest of the all the religions, which most likely have nothing to do with the real unknowable creator.

/fark all the politically correct defenders of this bs.

/God bless the USA, for taking in even the most unlikely persons, and believing they might one day support and fight for it. I know most of the muslims are not as brainwashed as this piece of crap is, and I know they must be given a chance to wake up, and realize that the US Constitution and (mostly) corruption free and honest Government with checks and balances (everybody WANTS to steal ... Greenspan), is the greatest gift God has allowed to happen on this earth, not some a-holetard's old books.

/still waiting for Merriam to accept my new word of "aholetard" into the official English Dictionary, keeping fingers crossed...

/gonna try working aholetard into casual conversation somehow.
 
2009-11-06 06:58:30 PM
dead_dangler: What's it like being a throbbing dumb-ass?

probably similar to the way I make your dumb mom's ass throb.
 
2009-11-06 07:01:21 PM
YoMammaObama: dead_dangler: What's it like being a throbbing dumb-ass?

probably similar to the way I make your dumb mom's ass throb.


Every time I think this thread can't get any better, it does.
 
2009-11-06 07:01:43 PM
misanthropologist: bushbot111: misanthropologist:

If he were an Xtian fundamentalist who shouted out something about bringing down the Lord's burning rain on sinners while going on a shooting spree, he'd just be called a nutjob, and people would not likely claim that Xtianity was the reason for the event, or that his faith somehow predisposed him to violence.

Are you freaking kidding me? I don't know if you're aware but the media does not like christians. The absolute first thing that would be mentioned is that they were a christian. That's just common knowledge. I can't believe anyone would have had access to any media the last 20 years and have the opinion you have.

Damn you for making me defend christians!

You missed the point of what I said, and I don't think you've actually defended xtians on that (so rest assured, you can leave your hate on).

My point wasn't that they'd carefully avoid identifying the person's religious affiliation. In fact, they'd probably do the same as in this case, report what eye-witnesses heard and leave it up to us to decipher. We all know that "Hellfire and Hallelujah," or whatever the xtian equivalent is, and "Allahu Ackbar" identify someone as belonging to a religion and we don't have to be explicitly told.

My point was, if a similar event occured and it was a white guy and he yelled out "John 3:16 motherfarkers" before his shooting spree, people would probably not claim that Xtianity CAUSED him to kill people. Rather we would be saying he's a farked-up psycho who happens to think that Jebus told him to kill folks. I know, the difference is sublte, and here on fark we would have a lot of people using that hypothetical event as evidence in their ongoing "religion-is-bad" jizzfest, but overall, people recognize a Xtian nutjob as a nutjob first and an Xtian second, and a Muslim nutjob as a Muslim first and a Muslim second (and as commanded by either mohamed or bin laden rather than driven by his own zealotry).

And also, as much as the MSM hates Xtians (and I can't really say because over the past 8 years I've lived in an apartment with a TV for about 6 months), you're exagerating how they would report the story to support your (flawed) interpretation of what I said.

Got it?


I said the first thing they would do is ID them as a christian. That's not an exaggeration. I've seen them do it.
 
2009-11-06 07:04:16 PM
Hmm... so he's a practicing muslim eh? Off the top of my head I'm going to say that he was threatened by the military into doing this or is some kind of Manchurian type zombie. Keep the anger flowing towards Muslims so Obama has an even harder time ending their ever so profitable war. Sick!
 
2009-11-06 07:06:42 PM
Poppa Boner: Hmm... so he's a practicing muslim eh? Off the top of my head I'm going to say that he was threatened by the military into doing this or is some kind of Manchurian type zombie. Keep the anger flowing towards Muslims so Obama has an even harder time ending their ever so profitable war. Sick!

Given the overall high level of trolling in this thread, I can't even give you a 0/10.
 
2009-11-06 07:08:13 PM
keypusher: Given the overall high level of trolling in this thread, I can't even give you a 0/10.

Aww fiddlesticks.
 
2009-11-06 07:08:23 PM
if this was a xtian shiathead that did this (and shouted some xtian version of same bs while shooting), the media WOULD point this out as his motive, and the big thing is, they would be significantly less worried about terroristic retaliation. (I admit, they still would be worried, but less)
 
2009-11-06 07:09:14 PM
>Manchurian type zombie

Brought to you by Starbucks.
 
2009-11-06 07:09:43 PM
There's no point arguing with these idiots.
 
2009-11-06 07:10:53 PM
The coffee and hash brown defense?
 
2009-11-06 07:11:18 PM
solitary: There's no point arguing with these idiots.

But arguing IS the point. You have much to learn young Jedi.
 
2009-11-06 07:12:38 PM
What have they figured out about the other two guys? Were they with Hasan, or just soldiers who tried to shoot Hasan and ended up hitting other people instead?
 
2009-11-06 07:14:29 PM
GaryPDX: I'm just saying this guy will be idolized by the fundies in the middle east. He struck a blow against the infidel. It's only logical. And if he's executed, he'll become a Martyr.

*Sigh* I hate to agree with you, but yeah, it is likely. Hell, when september 11th happened, every nutjob in the world attributed themselves the damn thing, from japanese discidents, to the north koreans.

bushbot111: Yeah maybe. Except he was shouting Allah Akbar, so that argument really dies right there. I mean at what point does evidence trump political correctness?

Ok, that part I didn't know.shiat, one religion blown to Hell by its followers. Not exactly new, right?.

/Still, I see no point in starting mass lynchings against any muslim or middle-easten immigrant
 
2009-11-06 07:16:22 PM
Starbucks Manchurian type zombie with whipped cream and cinnamon sounds really good right now
 
2009-11-06 07:17:54 PM
pd771: Philip Francis Queeg: And how many would claim that it was a reflection on Christianity in general? How many would be questioning why we allow Christians in the military?

On this site? Plenty.


True. On this site, there would be a lot of people claiming that such an act reflected on Christianity. The question really is, would those people be right?
 
2009-11-06 07:17:55 PM
General_Failure: He was an officer, he couldn't / didn't have to reenlist. Officers have a minimum contract that they must fulfill, and then if they want out, they can separate, barring things like stop loss (which is only directly before and during deployment.) His minimum obligation, however, was no doubt fairly long as he was put through medical school by the Army, at least in my understanding.

Oy.... makes me glad I didn't enlist with the Army. Um.. Sir.

;)
 
2009-11-06 07:21:36 PM
Oh noes! He shouted "Allahu Akbar"!

Every weekend, Christians shout "Praise the Lord" in church. Once in a while, one of them goes nuts and kills an abortion doctor or something, probably shouting about the Lord whilst doing so. Should I fear all the Christers too, for yelling about their god all the time? Can someone please clarify who I should fear, this is getting confusing.
 
2009-11-06 07:24:39 PM
TreeHugger: Oh noes! He shouted "Allahu Akbar"!

Every weekend, Christians shout "Praise the Lord" in church. Once in a while, one of them goes nuts and kills an abortion doctor or something, probably shouting about the Lord whilst doing so. Should I fear all the Christers too, for yelling about their god all the time? Can someone please clarify who I should fear, this is getting confusing.


This.

I dunno, it just seems so alien to me to shun an entire community based on a few rotten individuals.

After all, I was raised to believe that every man is intrinsically good, and that all deserve forgiveness.
 
2009-11-06 07:25:54 PM
"He had been awarded the National Defense Service Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the Army Service Ribbon, but was never deployed outside the United States."

you dont get awarded these you just get them when you join they mean nothing
 
2009-11-06 07:26:42 PM
Shostie: FINALLY!!! The question of whether or not the shooter bought coffee is solved!! Rest easy, now, America!

Woah! Hey! Not so fast there! We still haven't solved the mystery of whether he preferred it black or with cream and sugar. Why isn't Fox News covering this?
 
2009-11-06 07:31:06 PM
TreeHugger: Oh noes! He shouted "Allahu Akbar"!

Every weekend, Christians shout "Praise the Lord" in church. Once in a while, one of them goes nuts and kills an abortion doctor or something, probably shouting about the Lord whilst doing so. Should I fear all the Christers too, for yelling about their god all the time? Can someone please clarify who I should fear, this is getting confusing.


I'll tell you what I told misanthropologist, albeit paraphrased.

Please give me a count of the people who have died in the past ten years at the hands of Christian religious fundamentalists screaming "Praise Jesus", and a count of people who have died at the hands of Muslims screaming "Allahu Akbar" as they commit acts of terror. I am sure the ratios are at LEAST a thousand fold different, if not more.

One is an example of nutjob fringe groups. The other is an example of an international movement. The numbers don't lie.

Not like you'll even bother to think about it; using words like "Christers" pretty much indicates that you are biased against Christians anyhow. It's the equavalent of calling a Muslim a towelhead; it marginalizes a person because they adhere to a faith.

You, my friend, are the one guilty of hate here. Not the people who accurately indicate that Islam has a very powerful, dangerous subdivision that is bent on killing non Muslims.
 
2009-11-06 07:32:06 PM
potstiekam: "He had been awarded the National Defense Service Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the Army Service Ribbon, but was never deployed outside the United States."

you dont get awarded these you just get them when you join they mean nothing


Yes. Because enlisting to serve your country in a time of war means nothing unless you are actually dodging bullets.
 
2009-11-06 07:36:17 PM
Occam's Nailfile: potstiekam: "He had been awarded the National Defense Service Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the Army Service Ribbon, but was never deployed outside the United States."

you dont get awarded these you just get them when you join they mean nothing

Yes. Because enlisting to serve your country in a time of war means nothing unless you are actually dodging bullets.


The trollish response will be on the lines of "If you cared to provide a service to your country, you would've never shot soldiers in the homeland".

Just a quick heads-up.
 
2009-11-06 07:42:11 PM
misanthropologist: You probably think that Fox news was accurately broadcasting the teabagger march on DC a couple weeks ago too, don't you?

WTF does that have to do with anything at all that has been discussed in this thread?

Why can't you libs make it through 1,000 words without mentioning Bush, tea party protestors or Fox News?

Your claim that the movement among Muslims to kill non-Muslims is "not large". How on earth can you say that with a straight face? Exactly how many people need to die at the hand of hate-filled Muslims, and how many people need to dance in the streets celebrating those deaths, in order for you to call a movement "large"?
 
2009-11-06 07:42:53 PM
Occam's Nailfile: potstiekam: "He had been awarded the National Defense Service Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the Army Service Ribbon, but was never deployed outside the United States."

you dont get awarded these you just get them when you join they mean nothing

Yes. Because enlisting to serve your country in a time of war means nothing unless you are actually dodging bullets.


ya pretty much nicely put
 
2009-11-06 07:43:30 PM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

Thank you for that laugh.
 
2009-11-06 07:43:33 PM
CygnusDarius: Occam's Nailfile: potstiekam: "He had been awarded the National Defense Service Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the Army Service Ribbon, but was never deployed outside the United States."

you dont get awarded these you just get them when you join they mean nothing

Yes. Because enlisting to serve your country in a time of war means nothing unless you are actually dodging bullets.

The trollish response will be on the lines of "If you cared to provide a service to your country, you would've never shot soldiers in the homeland".

Just a quick heads-up.


Was just pointing out that those medals mean something, not meaning to troll. Point taken.
 
2009-11-06 07:48:19 PM
Occam's Nailfile: CygnusDarius: Occam's Nailfile: potstiekam: "He had been awarded the National Defense Service Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the Army Service Ribbon, but was never deployed outside the United States."

you dont get awarded these you just get them when you join they mean nothing

Yes. Because enlisting to serve your country in a time of war means nothing unless you are actually dodging bullets.

The trollish response will be on the lines of "If you cared to provide a service to your country, you would've never shot soldiers in the homeland".

Just a quick heads-up.

Was just pointing out that those medals mean something, not meaning to troll. Point taken.


If you want mine you can have them
 
2009-11-06 07:53:37 PM
Argh...

Saying that Islam is the cause of these issues is idiotic. Islam is far from monolithic, with major splits between the Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi, and Ahmaddiya. There are subtypes within each main branch of the faith, as well as different interpretations depending on the Mullah. Much like Christianity, or any other world religion.

To put it more clearly, the problem isn't the farking ink on the page that is Islam. Its people. People suck, and ignorant, dusty, angry, poor, oppressed people suck a LOT more. The tools that people use to justify sucking are totally irrelevant, because if THOSE tools were not there, they would just use something else. The tools that people use to control people are not in and of themselves important, its the arsheholes that USE those tools who are.

Make no mistake, the Salafi sect of Islam has some whackjobs in it. And Salafist jihadism is some seriously bad news. But again, it isn't the base religion, its the people who follow it. People identify themselves with groups, model themselves after groups, and attempt to emulate groups. There was a fairly good paper written on why people become terrorists, for instance (Go HERE, pops (new window).

Want to know who to blame? The leaders, the ones who use these tools to induce people to do terrible things. Not the religion. Heck, most murderers in the US would identify themselves as Christian. Many crimes have been committed by people who claim to have been given the instructions by god. And none of this has to do with the religion. Its just people.

OH, as to TFA... the guy was a delusional nutjob who slipped his leash, and went on a rampage. Islam didn't make him a nutjob, he was a nutjob who decided that Islam justified his actions.
 
2009-11-06 07:57:25 PM
I just posted this because I saw that the counter was at 420.

Dude.....
 
2009-11-06 08:00:14 PM
bowling for columbine.
 
2009-11-06 08:13:19 PM
i304.photobucket.com

He was trying to warn them of his trap.
 
2009-11-06 08:14:46 PM
SlothB77: bowling for columbine.

I read that as blowing your combine
 
2009-11-06 08:16:12 PM
Nelly Furtaco: This latest Muslim-soldier-predictably-flips-his-shiat story has me thinking: during WWII, did the United States allow Nazis to join the military? We had freedom of speech and it wasn't illegal or anything to be a Nazi, so why didn't they?

They let Charles Lindbergh fly combat missions and let Henry Ford's company manufacture war materiel. Both of them showed more signs of being disloyal than this guy did. Anyway, this guy wasn't disloyal. He wasn't a saboteur or a turncoat. He's just a wacko who snapped. And since he went on a shooting spree instead of strapping a bomb to himself, he went out like a true American wacko instead of following the Islamic terrorist stereotype you're trying to pin on him.
 
2009-11-06 08:21:06 PM
moooooooooooosliiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmssssssss!!
 
2009-11-06 08:32:57 PM
Still waiting on a Kimberly Munley article with Hero tag. Link (new window)
 
2009-11-06 08:35:43 PM
WHY would anyone go to or even hire a Muslim psychiatrist? especially one who wears a dress and a beanie? Not a troll, I'm dead serious. I would never trust one.

And for the love of Allah, if you have a problem with foreign policy DO NOT join the military!
 
2009-11-06 08:36:25 PM
religion is awesome. way to go.
 
2009-11-06 08:38:03 PM
FrankTheYank: And since he went on a shooting spree instead of strapping a bomb to himself, he went out like a true American wacko instead of following the Islamic terrorist stereotype you're trying to pin on him.

Right, because real Islamic terrorists never go on shooting rampages. Except for those guys in Mumbai last year, who killed 164 people. Or the ones in Pakistan who opened fire on the Sri Lankan cricket team (8 killed). Or the gunmen, also from Pakistan, who attacked the Indian parliament in 2001 (6 killed). Or those Egyptian jihadists in 1997 who massacred 63 foreign tourists at Luxor. Or those Libyan operatives and PLO members who carried out shooting attacks on European airports, cruise liners, and airplanes throughout the 1970s and 1980s.

Look, I'm not trying to run up the score here, but you said a foolish thing and it's easily disproved. I understand that your political bias blinds you to the fact that militant Islam is much, much more of a threat to the West than your favoured bogeyman of right- wing, Christian theocracy. I know that you only believe otherwise because you haven't been taught better -- because you've been let down by the education system, the media and your peers. But now that I am giving you a proper schooling, I hope you will take the time to profit from it, and not darken the pages of Fark with this kind of moral- equivalence bullsh*t ever again.
 
2009-11-06 08:39:43 PM
Every time I think this thread can't get any better, it does.

here, here
 
2009-11-06 08:42:43 PM
This is bad news. For anyone with Hasan in their name.
 
2009-11-06 08:50:23 PM
Obviously this whole thing is 7-11's fault. When will we be getting a Congressional hearing on the creating of new warning labels for coffee. "Warning: May be hot, and also may make you go postal."
 
2009-11-06 08:58:05 PM
TreeHugger: Every weekend, Christians shout "Praise the Lord" in church.

Irrelevant to this discussion.

Once in a while, one of them goes nuts and kills an abortion doctor or something,

... Which happens approximately every 15 or 20 years.

probably shouting about the Lord whilst doing so.

Citation needed. Since you sound so certain of what the killers of abortionists are saying as they commit their crimes, I'm sure you'll have no problem coming up with the proof.

Should I fear all the Christers too, for yelling about their god all the time? Can someone please clarify who I should fear, this is getting confusing.

Well, do you know who I fear the most? Idiot white liberals with no sense of proportion. I'd hate to find myself under seige with these people -- say, from an external attack -- only to have them try to reassure me that there is in fact no external enemy, that the only real enemy is ourselves and that if someone out there is attacking us, it's because we must have provoked them to do it. I'd rather not have to fight for my survival in the company of openly suicidal people. (I am sure that this proves I am a right- wing reactionary racist, of course.)
 
2009-11-06 09:02:54 PM
alltandubh: FrankTheYank: And since he went on a shooting spree instead of strapping a bomb to himself, he went out like a true American wacko instead of following the Islamic terrorist stereotype you're trying to pin on him.

Right, because real Islamic terrorists never go on shooting rampages. Except for those guys in Mumbai last year, who killed 164 people. Or the ones in Pakistan who opened fire on the Sri Lankan cricket team (8 killed). Or the gunmen, also from Pakistan, who attacked the Indian parliament in 2001 (6 killed). Or those Egyptian jihadists in 1997 who massacred 63 foreign tourists at Luxor. Or those Libyan operatives and PLO members who carried out shooting attacks on European airports, cruise liners, and airplanes throughout the 1970s and 1980s.

Look, I'm not trying to run up the score here, but you said a foolish thing and it's easily disproved. I understand that your political bias blinds you to the fact that militant Islam is much, much more of a threat to the West than your favoured bogeyman of right- wing, Christian theocracy. I know that you only believe otherwise because you haven't been taught better -- because you've been let down by the education system, the media and your peers. But now that I am giving you a proper schooling, I hope you will take the time to profit from it, and not darken the pages of Fark with this kind of moral- equivalence bullsh*t ever again.


Heck. I haven't been over to LGF in awhile, at least not logged in...need to go over and take a closer look in the next day or two. Hope that things are going well over there.
 
2009-11-06 09:08:55 PM
Did anybody notice that he was dressed sort of strangely?
 
2009-11-06 09:13:11 PM
alltandubh, a lonely guy with a handgun is indeed American-style. Where was his AK-47? Where were his friends? Granted, the Columbine kids kind of muddied things up by working together and using a variety of weapons, but that's because their minds were warped by video games.
 
2009-11-06 09:13:25 PM
lantawa: Heck. I haven't been over to LGF in awhile, at least not logged in...need to go over and take a closer look in the next day or two. Hope that things are going well over there.

¿Que? If by "LGF" you mean the blog "Little Green Footballs", be advised that it has recently undergone an extreme change in political orientation. Anyway, the information I posted, being factually correct, is easily available from a number of sources online.
 
2009-11-06 09:18:55 PM
alltandubh P.S. Forget it might be necessary to point out the obvious: he shot up his workplace. Does that ring any bells? Say the phrase "going Muslim" out loud and try to figure out why it sounds familiar, yet not exactly right.
 
2009-11-06 09:20:42 PM
sweetmelissa31: I get coffee from the 7-11 every morning. Does that make me a terrorist sympathizer?

yes yes it does we are coming for you
 
2009-11-06 09:33:40 PM
Occam's Nailfile
Please give me a count of the people who have died in the past ten years at the hands of Christian religious fundamentalists screaming "Praise Jesus" [...] I am sure the ratios are at LEAST a thousand fold different

You're missing the point, which was: Religious interjections are not an indication of harmful intent or terrorist conspiracy. Furthermore, if you rewind several centuries, Christians were a bloody lot as well. No religion has a moral high/low ground; they are merely belief systems. No religious group should be hated or feared. Individuals and fractional subset groups commit violent acts, but the vast majority of members (of Islam, Christianity, etc.) are not so inclined, as far as I can see.

using words like "Christers" pretty much indicates that you are biased against Christians anyhow. It's the equavalent of calling a Muslim a towelhead [...] You, my friend, are the one guilty of hate here.

What in the sandhill... ? Now "christer" is an offensive slur on the level of racial epithets? I missed that memo. I have no hate for members of any religious or racial group, nor did I express any. And your jump to that conclusion based on a slightly modified version of the term "christian" makes me think you're either a clever troll, or wound rather tightly. Breathe...
 
2009-11-06 09:35:23 PM
FrankTheYank: alltandubh, a lonely guy with a handgun is indeed American-style. Where was his AK-47? Where were his friends? Granted, the Columbine kids kind of muddied things up by working together and using a variety of weapons, but that's because their minds were warped by video games.

Frank, you sound like a good guy but this sort of thing has happened in the US before: there was the lunatic who shot up the El Al counter at LAX in 2002, killing two; and then there was the shooting at the Seattle Jewish Federation, in 2006, which resulted in one fatality. Both were the work of lone Muslim gunmen who were disaffected for religious and/or ideological reasons. There is no reason whatever to place them within the larger context of American school- and workplace- shootings, when they bear much closer resemblance to the religiously- motivated shootings (or bombings) against "infidels" that are routinely perpetrated abroad. Bear in mind that both shooters were recent immigrants to the US, so they can hardly be said to have shared in the same kind of pool of cultural pathology characteristic of the typical American mass shooter. --It's very unlikely that either of them ever played first- person shooter video games, for example).
 
2009-11-06 09:35:39 PM
Atypical Person Reading Fark: Cup_O_Jo: I think what we should be asking is why---in the form of "why are we deploying mental health docs to go fight on the front lines?" It's not their job. It's not what they need to be doing and QUITE frankly it's pretty mentally abusive.. "hey I want you to debried these guys coming home. I want you to hear all the horrible stories. I want you to specifically work with PTSD----and then after hearing how horrible it all is..WE are going to deploy you." SERIOUSLY WTF?

You really don't know much about PTSD and the military.

In all wars, some kind of psychiatric are is needed near the front. Do you not have any grandpas or relatives to ask about this?


Uh yes I do. I know for a fact that PTSD is POST- meaning they have already been sent home. The FACTS are that people are being deployed to fight. Not to go fix radar,or go be a doctor,but to drive around outside the green zones. It's not like some episode of MASH.
 
2009-11-06 09:38:27 PM
If you've been waiting for just one more Muslim soldier to snap and kill a lot of American soldiers until you decided to come out demanding that all Muslims should die, you're at least as farked in the head as this guy was.

13 killed, 30 wounded. Are you kidding me? I've seen worse traffic accidents. We're going to start WW3 over this? Really?

Seriously. All of you eat a dick.
 
2009-11-06 09:52:33 PM
I think this kind of thing fascinates people because it's horrifying to imagine someone doing something like that, something so mundane, and then going to kill a bunch of people rather than sit in a cubicle like the rest of us. That might be why there's all this discussion about what clothes he was wearing and what football team he supports.. I think we're all kind of subconsciously looking for a rational reason that he did it. But it's far scarier to think that the reasons were too complex and irrational to explain away with his race, religion or coffee habits. Then it's a problem we can't identify or solve.

/just my 2c
 
2009-11-06 10:00:03 PM
binturong: If you've been waiting for just one more Muslim soldier to snap and kill a lot of American soldiers until you decided to come out demanding that all Muslims should die, you're at least as farked in the head as this guy was.

This particular Muslim soldier was hardly the first to "snap" and start killing his infidel comrades. Nor, for that matter, has there been any mainstream commentator as a result of his actions calling for a general cull of the Muslim population. So where exactly is your hysteria coming from?

Look, let's be perfectly honest. If the shooter had been a fundamentalist conservative Christian hoping to draw attention to (for example) gay marriage or late- term abortion, you and your friends would be making political hay out of that fact from night until day. As it happens, when these shootings were first recorded, plenty of Fark liberals chimed in to suggest that white- supremacist Christians were responsible, and that anyone who guessed at a Muslim angle was automatically guilty of racism.

This theory having been destroyed by the facts (those goddamn facts!), the same liberals have instead tried to embark on a campaign of suggesting that because the shooter is a Muslim, he must inevitably have been a victim of racism who was caused to "snap" by his continual harassment. Note the heads- I- win, tails- you- lose logic of liberalism at work here: white Christian fundamentalists who do bad things do so because they are wicked reactionaries; brown Muslim fundamentalists who do bad things do so because they are oppressed, and have no other choice.

The white liberals who are showing up on this thread to make excuses for this guy are morally and intellectually bankrupt.
 
2009-11-06 10:02:29 PM
alltandubh

A loner, disliked by his colleagues and socially inappropriate, under stress at work, feels like he is powerless and treated unfairly there, gets some very bad news about his career, shows up at work shortly thereafter with a gun and starts shooting.

But he's Muslim, so there's no reason to see him in the context of school and workplace shootings?

Keep in mind how easy it would be to see the Columbine kids as terrorists if the ideas they embraced had been embraced by a current foreign enemy of the United States, instead of a defunct one. How do we know there's a connection between this guy's behavior and the supposed (currently unverified, AFAIK, and quite convenient for some people) sympathy he expressed for suicide bombers? He counseled soldiers and undoubtedly had compassion for them. He might disapprove of their behavior in some cases, but he would understand their fear, their feeling of powerlessness, and _certainly_ their inability to defy the US Army. It doesn't make sense for him to take revenge on them for their actions against Muslims.

However, it makes perfect psychological sense for him to go shoot up the base for what (in his mind) the army was doing to him. If you look at his exact target, it makes little sense in the context of terrorism and a lot of sense as a workplace shooting.

I think this will all be cleared up when they find, or fail to find, some message he left explaining his actions. If he was a terrorist, he would certainly leave behind something to explain himself or someone to speak for him. If he didn't leave anything, I think that's strong evidence for his beef being strictly personal.
 
2009-11-06 10:03:09 PM
alltandubh:

I'm not reading any of that.
 
2009-11-06 10:03:47 PM
binturong: If you've been waiting for just one more Muslim soldier to snap and kill a lot of American soldiers until you decided to come out demanding that all Muslims should die, you're at least as farked in the head as this guy was.

13 killed, 30 wounded. Are you kidding me? I've seen worse traffic accidents. We're going to start WW3 over this? Really?

Seriously. All of you eat a dick.


Calm down, Captain Hyperbole.
 
2009-11-06 10:13:05 PM
alltandubh: If the shooter had been a fundamentalist conservative Christian hoping to draw attention to (for example) gay marriage or late- term abortion, you and your friends would be making political hay out of that fact

Yeah, we would. But you're describing a situation where the motivation is already known to be ideological. It's valid and important to look at both ideological and psychological factors and decide, for example, that Columbine was not a right-wing massacre, or at least is not best understood that way. The kids were screwed up and just happened to embrace Hitler on their way down.
 
2009-11-06 10:13:40 PM
All Fark Independents(tm) will be known as Camel Jockeys from now on, and harassed in their daily lives.

Any Abrahamic religion they observe will be mercilessly ridiculed.
 
2009-11-06 10:16:54 PM
WHOAH, America!

Seriously misspelled above according to your region/thought process...

I was afraid of this plant growing in my yard. It was big and nasty, had thorns, and punctured my children, my kids; it was sharp and painful and unforgiving and inconsolable, and, slightly, if not majorly, farked up. I didn't understand why it farked-up my garden, my children, and ultimately my world, but it did. So, I learned to live with it. I tried to kill it, but it would not die. I saw it as polluting my space for awhile. Then I saw something different...

It didn't pollute my environment. It was just a part of a many-petalled flower I had not seen before. And when I looked very close, I saw something I had not seen before...

I saw the flower of humanity.

Do you see it?

Can you see it?

Open yer eyes...

This isn't about religion, people. This is about being under too much pressure and not being able to maintain...

This is about mindless violence with no end. This is about the future of the species, yo. Grow a brain or face a zombie apocalypse...

He was a nut job on coffee and disaffection.

Check yer baggage, plz.

Peace out.
 
2009-11-06 10:23:57 PM
IronTom: Did anybody notice that he was dressed sort of strangely?

Everlast is a muslim.
 
2009-11-06 10:31:34 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Hollywood Cole: wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHOOOOSH!!!!

Nature abhors a vacuum. Why exactly were you drilling a hole in your head, again?


Lol you are such a child. You couldn't have picked a better fark handle.

Let me guess, you aren't in college anymore are you?
 
2009-11-06 10:36:23 PM
Hollywood Cole: Mr. Chainsaw: "People who were farking there" were saying all kinds of shiat yesterday (multiple shooters! high powered rifles! wounded SWAT officers! shots fired at a soldier's residence! the shooter is dead!). Forgive me for being a bit skeptical.

Ok I can explain this.
... Wounded SWAT, shooter is dead:
A person is bleeding on the pavement in a police officer's uniform and they aren't moving. Are they dead or alive? Are they just a cop or SWAT? Unless you are treating them you don't know...


1. If you don't know, you shouldn't go to the press.

2. They got the cop's gender wrong, for Christ's sake. It was a woman who got shot in the leg. Not a male who was killed, as reported.
 
2009-11-06 10:43:33 PM
Contrabulous Flabtraption: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: ihatedumbpeople: He also shouted Allahu Akbar when shooting everyone, but why bring that up...let's concentrate on him buying coffee and hashbrowns.

Wouldn't want to offend all those Muslims out there that secretly love us.

Because racist farks like you will use it as an excuse to justify your bigotry.

Oh please, shut the f*ck up. If, assuming you aren't middle eastern, you had to choose to live for a year with only people of your race or only middle eastern Muslims you'd pick your race. And that makes you racist. So STFU and DIAF.


And the award for "Most Stupid and Irrelevant Reply" goes to...
 
2009-11-06 10:52:43 PM
WFern: Hollywood Cole: Mr. Chainsaw: "People who were farking there" were saying all kinds of shiat yesterday (multiple shooters! high powered rifles! wounded SWAT officers! shots fired at a soldier's residence! the shooter is dead!). Forgive me for being a bit skeptical.

Ok I can explain this.
... Wounded SWAT, shooter is dead:
A person is bleeding on the pavement in a police officer's uniform and they aren't moving. Are they dead or alive? Are they just a cop or SWAT? Unless you are treating them you don't know...

1. If you don't know, you shouldn't go to the press.

2. They got the cop's gender wrong, for Christ's sake. It was a woman who got shot in the leg. Not a male who was killed, as reported.


Yeah I am sure these people watched all these people get shot down all around them and immediately thought:

"fark there is blood and bullets and carnage EVERYWHERE, we gotta alert the media. Damn did you see that cop that got shot? Yeah! Hey was it a chick or a guy who was shot? Who the fark cares someone was shot quick tell the media."

The media just started running info that someone told someone, that heard it from someone who saw something. The media got it's info from whatever bits and pieces THEY could put together. The media (ie. CNN reporting using Tweets) is the one farked this up trying to get ratings.
 
2009-11-06 10:55:09 PM
FrankTheYank:
A loner, disliked by his colleagues and socially inappropriate, under stress at work, feels like he is powerless and treated unfairly there, gets some very bad news about his career, shows up at work shortly thereafter with a gun and starts shooting.

But he's Muslim, so there's no reason to see him in the context of school and workplace shootings?


Thank you for putting this more calmly than I'm able to right now. I'm a little disappointed with humanity this week, more so than usual.

I'm not defending the shooter. At all. I can sympathize with his struggle but not with his ultimate decision. Is it not possible to not defend the shooter at the same time criticizing a vast wave of ugly white American hate led by the mass media? Why can I not say Hasan -and- tbe dumbass that keyed his car for should have raised big fat red flags? Why is there not one shred of sensibility or responsibility in absolutely anyone in charge of anything? Why is there a total abandonment of critical thinking triggered whenever our brain encounters a surname with an unusual number of a's and hyphens?

al-Qaeda taps into a large pool of disillusioned Muslims, but not every disillusioned Muslim is a member of al-Qaeda, and not every disillusioned Muslim got that way because of al-Qaeda or any predisposition to violence above the level of any other human being who has ever lived. And as much as I would like to refrain from invoking Fox News, no other mass media outlet that I've ever been aware of has been so giddily enthusiastic to lead us head first into a global race war. It pisses me off not only because it's tasteless, but it doesn't even make the slightest bit of military or economic sense and never has. Not a single word of anti-Islam gibbering is making us any progress against al-Qaeda or the Taliban.

If you aren't suggesting all Muslims should die, then you get a cookie. But if that's not the case, then I really don't see the point for all the bile, at least not from anyone purporting to be engaging in professional journalism. Again, this was a workplace shooting, not an insurgency. Try to measure your hatred proportionally. You might need it later.
 
2009-11-06 10:56:17 PM
Hollywood Cole: Yeah I am sure these people watched all these people get shot down all around them and immediately thought:

"fark there is blood and bullets and carnage EVERYWHERE, we gotta alert the media. Damn did you see that cop that got shot? Yeah! Hey was it a chick or a guy who was shot? Who the fark cares someone was shot quick tell the media."

The media just started running info that someone told someone, that heard it from someone who saw something. The media got it's info from whatever bits and pieces THEY could put together. The media (ie. CNN reporting using Tweets) is the one farked this up trying to get ratings.


You really don't think this happens?
 
2009-11-06 11:03:54 PM
The whole thing's a false flag operation by the IDF. Hassan is actually a guy named Hershel Goldstein, a particularly dedicated Mossad agent. Those crafty Jews are just trying to make Muslims look bad.
 
2009-11-06 11:09:03 PM
WFern: Hollywood Cole: Yeah I am sure these people watched all these people get shot down all around them and immediately thought:

"fark there is blood and bullets and carnage EVERYWHERE, we gotta alert the media. Damn did you see that cop that got shot? Yeah! Hey was it a chick or a guy who was shot? Who the fark cares someone was shot quick tell the media."

The media just started running info that someone told someone, that heard it from someone who saw something. The media got it's info from whatever bits and pieces THEY could put together. The media (ie. CNN reporting using Tweets) is the one farked this up trying to get ratings.

You really don't think this happens?


You really don't think the media jumped the gun and started reporting on shiat they couldn't confirm?

It isn't the public's job to make sure what is reported NATIONALLY, is correct. If someone dickhead thinking it was funny called in and said that the shooter was wearing a clown outfit screaming PINEAPPLES! Anderson Cooper would be tripping over his tongue to say it on TV first.
 
2009-11-06 11:12:32 PM
what's great about religion is it allows childish and immature acts of violence to be explained and reasoned

oh yeah sure, the guy, a friggin Major, is bullied... yeah, a grown farking man, with a high status in the military, is so goddamn childish he can't hack it and kills 13 people and wounds many more

no way anybody can excuse this shiat, if this guy was your dad how would you feel about it? i'd feel like i couldn't respect the guy, ever, with anything, much less livingfark him
 
2009-11-06 11:19:17 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: give me doughnuts: If a subsequent investigation revealed that he had been disciplined for proselytizing the Muslim faith to his patients and co-workers, and had previously made remarks that Muslims should "rise up" against America, then yeah, we could safely assume that his actions were influenced by his faith.

Contributory factors != proximate causation. Let's see, did he go apeshiat because he was a radical nut Muslim, or did he go mass-murderer because he was constantly dealing with the demons of the most psychologically damaged people in the military, was socially anxious, was having severe female problems, or maybe, I don't know, being sent off to freakin' Afghanistan in a few weeks?

The only reason people think Islam is the primary factor is because the guy's a freakin' Arab. That's why it's racism it probably is.


FTFY
 
2009-11-06 11:19:22 PM
"But they don't go out on shooting sprees," she said. "They might get depressed or have some emotional fallout from it, but to go on a shooting spree is not part of what happens to people from having to deal with trauma survivors all the time."

No shiat. Ya think? And people who are afraid of going to war because they might die don't willingly put themselves in a position where they would be killed. So..by gunning down innocent unarmed soldiers, he had to know that he was gonna be killed, or injured. ie..not afraid of death, not afraid to go to war. So i have to draw the conclusion that he did it to martyr himself,and kill the evil infidel Americans. Another Islamic militant fundie in the clink. I knew the guy was a fundie when i heard the story break. Nothing else made sense.
 
2009-11-06 11:24:48 PM
bushbot111: I mean at what point does evidence trump political correctness?

Never. Stubbornly maintaining a politically incorrect position, even if it is 100% correct, is a sign of a pathological racist and xenophobe in serious need of medical treatment and re-education.
 
2009-11-06 11:25:40 PM
God, I just read that the shooter graduated from Virginia Tech. WTF is with Virginia Tech???
 
2009-11-06 11:25:42 PM
drp, THANK YOU, for those great comments. I fully admit my pussyship status...that is why I did not go into millitary medicine although it was tempting and it took me 15 years and a lot of pain and suffering to get out of debt in private practice, but at least I did not have to go to Iraq....so call me a pussy if you wanna, but I'm glad for the choices I made...
 
2009-11-06 11:25:46 PM
binturong: FrankTheYank:
A loner, disliked by his colleagues and socially inappropriate, under stress at work, feels like he is powerless and treated unfairly there, gets some very bad news about his career, shows up at work shortly thereafter with a gun and starts shooting.

But he's Muslim, so there's no reason to see him in the context of school and workplace shootings?


Thank you for putting this more calmly than I'm able to right now. I'm a little disappointed with humanity this week, more so than usual.

I'm not defending the shooter. At all. I can sympathize with his struggle but not with his ultimate decision. Is it not possible to not defend the shooter at the same time criticizing a vast wave of ugly white American hate led by the mass media? Why can I not say Hasan -and- tbe dumbass that keyed his car for should have raised big fat red flags? Why is there not one shred of sensibility or responsibility in absolutely anyone in charge of anything? Why is there a total abandonment of critical thinking triggered whenever our brain encounters a surname with an unusual number of a's and hyphens?

al-Qaeda taps into a large pool of disillusioned Muslims, but not every disillusioned Muslim is a member of al-Qaeda, and not every disillusioned Muslim got that way because of al-Qaeda or any predisposition to violence above the level of any other human being who has ever lived. And as much as I would like to refrain from invoking Fox News, no other mass media outlet that I've ever been aware of has been so giddily enthusiastic to lead us head first into a global race war. It pisses me off not only because it's tasteless, but it doesn't even make the slightest bit of military or economic sense and never has. Not a single word of anti-Islam gibbering is making us any progress against al-Qaeda or the Taliban.

If you aren't suggesting all Muslims should die, then you get a cookie. But if that's not the case, then I really don't see the point for all the bile, at least not from anyone purporting to be engaging in professional journalism. Again, this was a workplace shooting, not an insurgency. Try to measure your hatred proportionally. You might need it later.


QFT.

Peace out.
 
2009-11-06 11:29:22 PM
Hollywood Cole: You really don't think the media jumped the gun and started reporting on shiat they couldn't confirm?

It isn't the public's job to make sure what is reported NATIONALLY, is correct. If someone dickhead thinking it was funny called in and said that the shooter was wearing a clown outfit screaming PINEAPPLES! Anderson Cooper would be tripping over his tongue to say it on TV first.


Oh, I'm sure they did. It's just that I have an additional complaint with whatever bozos saw fit to contact them with this information to begin with.
 
2009-11-06 11:36:55 PM
misanthrapologist: Alien Robot: misanthrapologist: Second, just because he shouted out Allahu Ackbar before opening fire, doesn't mean he was a terrorist or a fundamentalist.

But it's not "just because" of that. He also was disciplined at Walter Reed for proselytizing patients about Islam and NPR reported that when he was supposed to be giving a lecture on the correct treatment for schizophrenia at a medical conference but instead went off "about how if you're a nonbeliever the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire."

Citation?

Plus, this still doesn't make it a problem of Islam, and leaves open the possibility that he's a nutjob who happens to be Muslim (not unlike the nutjobs who kill abortion providers in the name of Jebus...)


Here's your citation, misanthrapologist.

Facts: he is Muslim, eye-witnesses say he exclaimed "Allahu akbar" before killing a bunch of people, he has been quoted as saying that "the Quran teaches that infidels should have their heads cut off and set on fire." (And he said that it in an exceptionally inappropriate forum, where science and not religion should have been the topic at hand.)

I'm sure you're right, his religion has nothing to do with it.

mypetjawa.mu.nu
 
2009-11-06 11:40:07 PM
Division-able tactic is too division-able. And obvious. When people actually think=establishment loses...

Reset.

;)

P.S. (Please notice: NOT "looses"...) Heh.
 
2009-11-06 11:43:59 PM
WFern: Oh, I'm sure they did. It's just that I have an additional complaint with whatever bozos saw fit to contact them with this information to begin with.

I think you are being a little harsh. These "bozos" had just been in a very stressful situation. They just watched their friends and brothers in arms cut down. Do you honestly hold it against them for getting the gender of the police officer wrong? They saw a person bleeding on the ground and were probably rushed into another room for safety.

Like I said, The media is the one that starting reporting "facts" before they were confirmed.
 
2009-11-06 11:47:37 PM
The dude is a muzzie POS. The koran tells muzzies to kill non-muzzies.
But the white house and news will down play any muslim connection.
 
2009-11-06 11:48:46 PM
FrankTheYank: I think this will all be cleared up when they find, or fail to find, some message he left explaining his actions. If he was a terrorist, he would certainly leave behind something to explain himself or someone to speak for him. If he didn't leave anything, I think that's strong evidence for his beef being strictly personal.

I agree that social isolation likely played a role. Just like poverty and alienation (and perceived imperialism) plays a role in the actions of suicide bombers. However, not everyone who goes on a homocidal/suicidal rampage will have left a note, whatever their motives. Either way, that doesn't absolve them or the religion that gives them shelter to try to justify their radical and bloodthirsty beliefs.
 
2009-11-06 11:53:53 PM
This Hasan dude was born in Virginia. Not Jordan or wherever he claimed he was from.

His clothes matter! Anybody thinking wearing that pajama-like terrorist suit is normal for any male born in this country is, well, farked in the head. And then he wondered why people referred to him as a "camel jockey", LOL.
 
2009-11-07 12:07:03 AM
Whoa-whoa-whoa, all you bible-banging zealots...

I am SO tired of the biblically(holy-booklicky)-driven garbage that propagates an antiquated mindset. Guess what, douchebags?

Hate doesn't work.

Never has; never will.

If your worldview is based in hate of another, you need to reevaluate. End of story.

On this planet, there are seemingly few who understand the need to join forces, and fewer who will survive, apparently...

Please grow up, d-bag religionists.

Please.
 
2009-11-07 12:15:32 AM
"When I heard the news about Hasan, honestly, my first thought was, 'That makes a lot of sense. That completely fits the person I knew,' " one of the psychiatrists told NPR.

Well thanks for letting us know that NOW.
 
2009-11-07 12:22:17 AM
triad203: However, not everyone who goes on a homocidal/suicidal rampage will have left a note, whatever their motives.

Not always, but terrorists usually want someone to know exactly why they did it. With the world as complicated as it is, nobody could derive a political message (except "I hate the US Army," which could just as easily be personal as political) from his actions unless he left a note of some kind. He would have known that. A school or workplace killer takes his message straight to the people he holds responsible -- no need for a note.

Either way, that doesn't absolve them or the religion that gives them shelter to try to justify their radical and bloodthirsty beliefs.

No, but it's an important distinction. Complaining about Islam because this guy's a Muslim and some Muslims are bad doesn't make any sense unless this guy killed because he was Muslim. If he killed because he was psychologically broken, angry, and hopeless, like most people who commit this kind of crime, then being Muslim had basically nothing to do with it, and half the people in here need to shut the fark up and post in another thread where they have something relevant to say.
 
2009-11-07 12:25:26 AM
alltandubh
Idiot white liberals with no sense of proportion.

Hey, I may be white and hug trees, but I realize there are plenty of violent Muslim individuals out there. Also numerous violent rednecks, thugs and assorted crazies of all stripes. But your overall point seems to be: "Beware of the Muslims in particular and anyone who uses the phrase 'Allahu Akbar' -- they're obviously out to get us, and this incident proves it!" A small-minded and culturally ignorant viewpoint, but you're entitled to it. Sure, Al-Qaeda exists and has nefarious intentions, but how do you know that this Major is in fact part of a larger Muslim conspiracy, and thus more likely to kill than someone of another race or creed?

Also, if this was a terrorist act, why did the guy wait until he had been promoted to Major before striking the blow? He could've done it a lot sooner and saved his supporters a lot of money & time.

I'd hate to find myself under seige with these people -- say, from an external attack -- only to have them try to reassure me that [...] if someone out there is attacking us, it's because we must have provoked them to do it.

Right, because it's ridiculous to think that America's military actions abroad could anger anyone. We always have the moral high ground when we bomb, napalm and torture, because we're the good guys!
 
2009-11-07 12:35:24 AM
Occam's Nailfile: Please give me a count of the people who have died in the past ten years at the hands of Christian religious fundamentalists...I am sure the ratios are at LEAST a thousand fold different, if not more.

1.bp.blogspot.com

You are factually incorrect. In the 1990's Serbian Orthodox Christian fundamentalists targeted for extinction tens of thousands of Bosnian Muslims men and boys, and targeted the Muslim women for systematic rape. Most victims of violent Islamists are other Muslims. Most of the victims of Christian-sanctioned systematic ethnic cleansing are not Christians. Every religion has its fundamentalists, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists. Hindu fundamentalists massacred 3000 Muslim pilgrims in Gujarat shortly after 9/11. But I'm sure you never heard about that.
 
2009-11-07 12:38:22 AM
Just great, he is a Hokie. Bad enough the spree killing record is held by a Hokie, this guy had to snap.


After finding that out, the guy across the hall from me at work asked me if I owned a gun. I don't, but if I get one, and decide to be true to my Hokie roots and go on a killing spree - he dies first.


The infamous one
static.open.salon.com
 
2009-11-07 12:42:40 AM
www.hassanchop.com
 
2009-11-07 12:43:35 AM
Craptastic: cauth002: Hasan Shop...

Why oh why do I not get this...

/tired
//have to work tomorrow as well.

From Ali Baba Bunny:


Dammit. Hassan Chop!
 
2009-11-07 12:44:04 AM
Somacandra: Occam's Nailfile: Please give me a count of the people who have died in the past ten years at the hands of Christian religious fundamentalists...I am sure the ratios are at LEAST a thousand fold different, if not more.



You are factually incorrect. In the 1990's Serbian Orthodox Christian fundamentalists targeted for extinction tens of thousands of Bosnian Muslims men and boys, and targeted the Muslim women for systematic rape. Most victims of violent Islamists are other Muslims. Most of the victims of Christian-sanctioned systematic ethnic cleansing are not Christians. Every religion has its fundamentalists, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists. Hindu fundamentalists massacred 3000 Muslim pilgrims in Gujarat shortly after 9/11. But I'm sure you never heard about that.


Oh, I am pretty sure that Occam is right.

Link (new window)
 
2009-11-07 01:12:48 AM
Say what you will, but Virginia Tech has produced some damn fine Marksman.
 
2009-11-07 01:23:28 AM
cold_war_relic: Somacandra: Occam's Nailfile: Please give me a count of the people who have died in the past ten years at the hands of Christian religious fundamentalists...I am sure the ratios are at LEAST a thousand fold different, if not more.



You are factually incorrect. In the 1990's Serbian Orthodox Christian fundamentalists targeted for extinction tens of thousands of Bosnian Muslims men and boys, and targeted the Muslim women for systematic rape. Most victims of violent Islamists are other Muslims. Most of the victims of Christian-sanctioned systematic ethnic cleansing are not Christians. Every religion has its fundamentalists, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists. Hindu fundamentalists massacred 3000 Muslim pilgrims in Gujarat shortly after 9/11. But I'm sure you never heard about that.

Oh, I am pretty sure that Occam is right.

Link (new window)


Really? That's your source? A website called thereligionofpeace.com that has, as their headline, "Islam: the religion of peace (and a stack of dead bodies)"?

Oy motherfarking veh. I'd be willing to wager that you're the same kind of person that complains about wikipedia being untruthy...
 
2009-11-07 01:27:26 AM
triad203: misanthrapologist: Alien Robot: misanthrapologist: Second, just because he shouted out Allahu Ackbar before opening fire, doesn't mean he was a terrorist or a fundamentalist.

But it's not "just because" of that. He also was disciplined at Walter Reed for proselytizing patients about Islam and NPR reported that when he was supposed to be giving a lecture on the correct treatment for schizophrenia at a medical conference but instead went off "about how if you're a nonbeliever the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire."

Citation?

Plus, this still doesn't make it a problem of Islam, and leaves open the possibility that he's a nutjob who happens to be Muslim (not unlike the nutjobs who kill abortion providers in the name of Jebus...)

Here's your citation, misanthrapologist.

Facts: he is Muslim, eye-witnesses say he exclaimed "Allahu akbar" before killing a bunch of people, he has been quoted as saying that "the Quran teaches that infidels should have their heads cut off and set on fire." (And he said that it in an exceptionally inappropriate forum, where science and not religion should have been the topic at hand.)

I'm sure you're right, his religion has nothing to do with it.


well trytoread203 (see, it's incredibly lame and not particularly funny...)

I'm also sure I'm right that this event is not the fault of the religion, but of the whackjob idiot who lost his shiat and committed a heinous crime. And your protest sign picture is the equivalent of posting a Fred Phelps special and claiming that it represents all of Xtianity.
 
2009-11-07 01:29:16 AM
misanthropologist: cold_war_relic: Somacandra: Occam's Nailfile: Please give me a count of the people who have died in the past ten years at the hands of Christian religious fundamentalists...I am sure the ratios are at LEAST a thousand fold different, if not more.



You are factually incorrect. In the 1990's Serbian Orthodox Christian fundamentalists targeted for extinction tens of thousands of Bosnian Muslims men and boys, and targeted the Muslim women for systematic rape. Most victims of violent Islamists are other Muslims. Most of the victims of Christian-sanctioned systematic ethnic cleansing are not Christians. Every religion has its fundamentalists, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists. Hindu fundamentalists massacred 3000 Muslim pilgrims in Gujarat shortly after 9/11. But I'm sure you never heard about that.

Oh, I am pretty sure that Occam is right.

Link (new window)

Really? That's your source? A website called thereligionofpeace.com that has, as their headline, "Islam: the religion of peace (and a stack of dead bodies)"?

Oy motherfarking veh. I'd be willing to wager that you're the same kind of person that complains about wikipedia being untruthy...


The difference is that each one of those articles are linked to each source. Did you even bother to read any of it or did you just see the title and go off?
 
2009-11-07 01:33:42 AM
cold_war_relic: The difference is that each one of those articles are linked to each source. Did you even bother to read any of it or did you just see the title and go off?

Congrats. You're a bigot who posts links to hate sites. As a Jew, fark off. We know demonization when we see it.
 
2009-11-07 01:43:47 AM
Obdicut: cold_war_relic: The difference is that each one of those articles are linked to each source. Did you even bother to read any of it or did you just see the title and go off?

Congrats. You're a bigot who posts links to hate sites. As a Jew, fark off. We know demonization when we see it.


Tell me, how is it a hate site if it is reporting facts? As a human, fark off. I've seen first hand what radical Islam is capable of. Don't for a second try to defend them by calling me out as a hater.
 
2009-11-07 01:46:52 AM
Somacandra: Occam's Nailfile: Please give me a count of the people who have died in the past ten years at the hands of Christian religious fundamentalists...I am sure the ratios are at LEAST a thousand fold different, if not more.



You are factually incorrect. In the 1990's Serbian Orthodox Christian fundamentalists targeted for extinction tens of thousands of Bosnian Muslims men and boys, and targeted the Muslim women for systematic rape. Most victims of violent Islamists are other Muslims. Most of the victims of Christian-sanctioned systematic ethnic cleansing are not Christians. Every religion has its fundamentalists, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists. Hindu fundamentalists massacred 3000 Muslim pilgrims in Gujarat shortly after 9/11. But I'm sure you never heard about that.


I was so surprised when the Pope authorized that ethnic cleansing stuff. *rolls eyes*
 
2009-11-07 01:48:16 AM
E Arkhe: I think this kind of thing fascinates people because it's horrifying to imagine someone doing something like that, something so mundane, and then going to kill a bunch of people rather than sit in a cubicle like the rest of us. That might be why there's all this discussion about what clothes he was wearing and what football team he supports.. I think we're all kind of subconsciously looking for a rational reason that he did it. But it's far scarier to think that the reasons were too complex and irrational to explain away with his race, religion or coffee habits. Then it's a problem we can't identify or solve.

/just my 2c


If you could predict Black Swans, you would probably be rich...
 
2009-11-07 01:51:41 AM
cold_war_relic: Don't for a second try to defend them by calling me out as a hater.

I'm not defending radical Islam. I'm not even defending Islam. It's not a monolithic whole; it can't be defended, or attacked-- unless you're a bigoted moron who thinks of it as a monolithic whole.

I'm calling you a bigoted liar who links to hate sites. Link that more. Post it every time you post, so everyone can see what scum you are.

Religious freedom is enshrined in the Constitution of these United States of America, you unpatriotic fark.
 
2009-11-07 01:55:49 AM
Obdicut: cold_war_relic: Don't for a second try to defend them by calling me out as a hater.

I'm not defending radical Islam. I'm not even defending Islam. It's not a monolithic whole; it can't be defended, or attacked-- unless you're a bigoted moron who thinks of it as a monolithic whole.

I'm calling you a bigoted liar who links to hate sites. Link that more. Post it every time you post, so everyone can see what scum you are.

Religious freedom is enshrined in the Constitution of these United States of America, you unpatriotic fark.


What a tool. I'm done wasting my time on a douche like you. Liar? How the fark am I a liar? As for unpatriotic...if you only knew. But then, you could care less because you are just a bigoted as you claim me to be. Not only a douche but a hypocrite to boot. What a shock.
 
2009-11-07 03:26:29 AM
fusillade762: 7-11 - NEVER FORGET

OK, this wins. All threads for the entire day.
 
2009-11-07 03:42:42 AM
I suppose it's impossible for him to just have snapped under pressure. Because he's a MUSLIN TERRIST, and not an indivdual, right...?

Does everything have to be tied to beliefs or ethnic groups now? Are we so bent on putting the blame on something that we can't see that we have people among us that are just crazy? No agenda, no cause, just plain nuts.
 
2009-11-07 05:40:52 AM
www.realmofdarkness.net
 
2009-11-07 05:54:55 AM
How it went down at the 7-11

Link (new window)NSFW
 
2009-11-07 08:43:33 AM
andersonpooper.files.wordpress.com

approves
 
2009-11-07 11:36:54 AM
dahmers love zombie: HASAN SHOP!

Thank you :)
 
2009-11-07 02:04:18 PM
punchaprep: So does anyone really think that army is going to do anything about mental health or are the gonna chalk it up to "sekrit Mooslum"?

You honestly don't know what you're talking about, do you?
 
2009-11-09 12:50:23 PM
dead_dangler: What's it like being a throbbing dumb-ass?

middleeastfacts.com
A lot nicer than living anywhere near these guys, I would imagine. But what do I know? I'm just a throbbing dumbass.


/'Mericuh, FARK YEAH!
 
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