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2009-11-06 03:40:39 PM
Baby Diego: Bhopper

oh now that's rich. keep trusting the government to tell you which substances are helpful and which are harmful instead of thinking for yourself. best of luck with that.

And just how would you determine the toxicity or efficacy of various substances and/or the combination of various substances by 'thinking for yourself'? Self experimentation? Or by relying on the same studies and evidence that the governmental regulatory bodies use?


Vioxx, baby!
 
2009-11-06 03:50:29 PM
I have asthma, grind my teeth, sleepwalk, frequently have insomnia, the joints in my hands and wrists hurt from using a keyboard and playing video games too much...
/really manic and slightly deprssive
 
2009-11-06 03:51:11 PM
knobmaker: Baby Diego: Bhopper

oh now that's rich. keep trusting the government to tell you which substances are helpful and which are harmful instead of thinking for yourself. best of luck with that.

And just how would you determine the toxicity or efficacy of various substances and/or the combination of various substances by 'thinking for yourself'? Self experimentation? Or by relying on the same studies and evidence that the governmental regulatory bodies use?

Vioxx, baby!


I'll see your Vioxx and raise you a Thalidomide.
 
2009-11-06 03:52:43 PM
knobmaker: And just how would you determine the toxicity or efficacy of various substances and/or the combination of various substances by 'thinking for yourself'?

Have you ever had a chronic illness?

What you do - is you try everything. You go to various doctors, they try various things.

You stick with what works for you, in the end. Prozac, for example, only works for 50% of the people to whom it's prescribed (apparently high doses of fish oil capsules work for 38% of patients in the exact same type of controlled studies; how do you know which group - if any- you are in? Self-experiment - that's what the doc does when s/he prescribes anything to you).

I can't think of a single drug or preparation that works 100% of the time. Some people respond well to one of many different treatments, some people don't respond well to much of anything at all.

No one knows why.

But surely the sick person gets to say something about how they feel and what alleviates their suffering.
 
2009-11-06 03:57:07 PM
thelordofcheese: I have asthma, grind my teeth, sleepwalk, frequently have insomnia, the joints in my hands and wrists hurt from using a keyboard and playing video games too much...
/really manic and slightly deprssive


Most of the marijuana-prescribing doctors really don't want to spend the time listening to such a long list of complaints. If you want to come to California to get some weed (I didn't check your profile, sorry) pare it down to one or two of those things.

There are various doctors who write the recommendations - most of them do only those prescriptions, although that's changing and there are some regular doctors who do write recommendations.

You pay about $150 for the prescription. It's good for a year. Then you go to a dispensary (in some places, like Reseda or Woodland Hills, there are bunches of them, they glance at your recommendation and you're good to go). Other more conservative places, you have to have home delivery. It's about $360-400 an ounce.

So yeah, nearly everyone in California is stoned all the time. And we feel pretty good.

Oh - and you probably want Indica, not Sativa, if you're bipolar.
 
2009-11-06 04:01:09 PM
Baby Diego: And just how would you determine the toxicity or efficacy of various substances and/or the combination of various substances by 'thinking for yourself'? Self experimentation? Or by relying on the same studies and evidence that the governmental regulatory bodies use?

By educating myself, by drawing conclusions based on facts at hand and by looking at history.

We all know, for example that the FDA is essentially in the pocket of big pharma. So I certainly wouldn't put much stock in "governmental regulatory bodies." How many drugs in widespread use have have been recalled in the last few decades? 50? 100? 200? How many of these had horrific side effects later discovered? How many drugs are prescribed that aren't really needed?

You seem to come from the misguided assumption that our drug laws stem from concern for your health or well being. But all of our drug laws were born of racism and religious zealotry, and more recently corporatism. Your health has nothing to do with it.
 
2009-11-06 04:17:35 PM
In other news, Americans have suffered an epidemic of previously unrealized illnesses that can, not surprisingly, only be cured by that pill they just saw a commercial for.

/thread. You ended the sentence with a preposition, but you still win the thread.

Also, people who think smoking weed is good for them are delusional. I love smoking weed as much as anyone, but I have no illusions about its negative effect on my lungs.
 
2009-11-06 04:25:20 PM
Bhopper: Baby Diego: And just how would you determine the toxicity or efficacy of various substances and/or the combination of various substances by 'thinking for yourself'? Self experimentation? Or by relying on the same studies and evidence that the governmental regulatory bodies use?

By educating myself, by drawing conclusions based on facts at hand and by looking at history.

We all know, for example that the FDA is essentially in the pocket of big pharma. So I certainly wouldn't put much stock in "governmental regulatory bodies." How many drugs in widespread use have have been recalled in the last few decades? 50? 100? 200? How many of these had horrific side effects later discovered? How many drugs are prescribed that aren't really needed?
You seem to come from the misguided assumption that our drug laws stem from concern for your health or well being. But all of our drug laws were born of racism and religious zealotry, and more recently corporatism. Your health has nothing to do with it.



These 2 things. Doctors don't cure anymore they only treat.
 
2009-11-06 04:25:37 PM
I have been fighting this psuedo-legalization of this drug for years and every day I seee more and more laxity in the enforcement of our already established "anti-pot" laws. These people are not sick! It's obvious that they are faking their maladies, just yesterday I caught an obvioulsy healthy hippy walking into one of these "dispensaries" and questioned him on his illness to which he replied "I got blindness in my eye". Blindness in his eye? How was he walking into the place then?

So I tried to explain to him that he was violating the spirit of our laws and while he stared at me blearily, I kicked his white cane out from underneath him and tripped him yelling "Didn't see that one coming did you hippy!" Now he has a "medical" reason to smoke at least. We cannot allow this softness to continue, the great state of California needs to shake these fleas off before it's too late, mark my words.
 
2009-11-06 04:33:20 PM
Fizics: I kicked his white cane out from underneath him and tripped him yelling "Didn't see that one coming did you hippy!"

An anti-marijuana zealot prone to violent acts? what a surprise!

I bet you prefer alcohol, the drug which is connected to 80% of all acts of violence committed in the US, right?
 
2009-11-06 04:36:29 PM
joeflood: Just let the people smoke. I don't give a flying fark about marijuana, medical or otherwise. I've never seen a person fly off the handle while smoking pot, and believe me, I've been around a few too many wastes of life, I mean pot heads.

Don't get me wrong, they all have jobs, they all pay their bills, they even do non-pot-related activities. That being said, they still prefer to spend their spare cash on weed.

Make marijuana legit and we can tax it. Keep it on the black market, and it's lost tax revenue.


Is it okay if I ask a question? Why do you view it as detrimental if they spend their extra cash on MJ rather than some other leisure activity?

Are you making the argument that since it's not directly taxed (so far as I know anyway, my collective paid their quarterly taxes just recently and was chatting with me about it) they're not contributing to ending the economic recession?

Or do you just think spending their spare cash on MJ rather than cigs, booze, DVD's/CD's, going out/to the movies, or whatever, is just simply intrinsically worse? If so, why?

/not trolling
//genuinely curious
 
2009-11-06 04:49:57 PM
Atypical Person Reading Fark: thelordofcheese: I have asthma, grind my teeth, sleepwalk, frequently have insomnia, the joints in my hands and wrists hurt from using a keyboard and playing video games too much...
/really manic and slightly deprssive

Most of the marijuana-prescribing doctors really don't want to spend the time listening to such a long list of complaints. If you want to come to California to get some weed (I didn't check your profile, sorry) pare it down to one or two of those things.

There are various doctors who write the recommendations - most of them do only those prescriptions, although that's changing and there are some regular doctors who do write recommendations.

You pay about $150 for the prescription. It's good for a year. Then you go to a dispensary (in some places, like Reseda or Woodland Hills, there are bunches of them, they glance at your recommendation and you're good to go). Other more conservative places, you have to have home delivery. It's about $360-400 an ounce.

So yeah, nearly everyone in California is stoned all the time. And we feel pretty good.

Oh - and you probably want Indica, not Sativa, if you're bipolar.


Yeah, but I can't get up in the morning. Although alcohol raises the risk of sleepwalking, I find I can still get up and grab some coffee. And nothing wrong with a nice porter at lunch.
/just need to stay clear of whiskey shots
 
2009-11-06 04:50:00 PM
Tallykat: do you just think spending their spare cash on MJ rather than cigs, booze, DVD's/CD's, going out/to the movies, or whatever, is just simply intrinsically worse? If so, why?

It's actually all about money and keeping Americans "productive". Example: The guys that had raging cocaine habits when making the money they now use for influencing current pot laws. Pot makes people introspective, "lazy", and relaxed. All bad qualities for a worker bee...and hence, "Bad For America!"

/Good luck getting anybody (on "their" side) to admit it though
 
2009-11-06 04:56:59 PM
jjorsett: I'm curious: what's the price of dispensary pot vs street pot of the same quality?

This one's hard to quantify, but I'll take a stab at it. Bear in mind this is my personal experience, so it's anecdotal; i.e., worthless on Fark.

The dispensary price for MJ by weight is roughly double the street price, but where you hit the snag is in the comparable quality of the merchandise.

Dispensaries, by and large, don't sell crap weed. You won't see Mex ditch weed or that brown brick crap in any dispensaries. Even the cheaper stuff (yes there is a price range) is consistently better in quality. Plus, and this part is important, YOU GET TO CHOOSE.

There is a varied selection, neatly divided into indicas and sativas. You can examine and smell the buds yourself. You can ask the bud tender what will help most with your particular ailment, and if the place is good, you will get good advice.

You don't have to worry about getting mugged or attacked by the folks running the dispensaries, they WANT you to have a good experience and come back- there is lots of competition out there. And if you're nervous, the friendly dispensary security guard will be happy to walk you to your car and see you safely out of the parking lot.

I pay double the street price for my superb quality MJ and do it happily, and have a friendly, reliable and SAFE place to get it from. Worth the money in my mind.

And just as an aside, the prices are creeping slowly down as they get established. I was pleased to see as they got past the initial business startup costs, the prices were going down.

Oh, and they have a donation jar on the counter for their terminally ill patients. I throw a buck in every time just because, so that's an added cost I supposed I should list to be accurate.

/ramble off
//I know, I know, I just love my collective. They're so awesome- everything you could ask for and scrupulous about following what the rules/regs the state and county have bothered to specify.
 
2009-11-06 05:16:53 PM
Tallykat: jjorsett: I'm curious: what's the price of dispensary pot vs street pot of the same quality?


The dispensary price for MJ by weight is roughly double the street price, but where you hit the snag is in the comparable quality of the merchandise.


Honestly if you're going to dispensaries that are charging you double the street price, you're going to the wrong ones.

check out www.weedmaps.com, there's a ton of great places, especially in LA and SD now that charge the same price for an 8th as I got when I was buying from my friend.

Not only do you get the choice, I've found places with great weed at around 295 an ounce or better. (Medco Organics FTW).

Shop around, this business is getting competitve and there are some great deals out there for weed in CA.
 
2009-11-06 05:20:10 PM
Brainsick: Tallykat: do you just think spending their spare cash on MJ rather than cigs, booze, DVD's/CD's, going out/to the movies, or whatever, is just simply intrinsically worse? If so, why?

It's actually all about money and keeping Americans "productive". Example: The guys that had raging cocaine habits when making the money they now use for influencing current pot laws. Pot makes people introspective, "lazy", and relaxed. All bad qualities for a worker bee...and hence, "Bad For America!"

/Good luck getting anybody (on "their" side) to admit it though


Sad, isn't it? And would someone tell me why I kill a thread EVERY time I talk about my joyous conversion to a quasi-legal pot smoker?????
 
2009-11-06 05:24:05 PM
Well, I have cancer of the glaucoma.
 
2009-11-06 05:27:48 PM
Rickerkioz: Tallykat: jjorsett: I'm curious: what's the price of dispensary pot vs street pot of the same quality?


The dispensary price for MJ by weight is roughly double the street price, but where you hit the snag is in the comparable quality of the merchandise.


Honestly if you're going to dispensaries that are charging you double the street price, you're going to the wrong ones.

check out www.weedmaps.com, there's a ton of great places, especially in LA and SD now that charge the same price for an 8th as I got when I was buying from my friend.

Not only do you get the choice, I've found places with great weed at around 295 an ounce or better. (Medco Organics FTW).

Shop around, this business is getting competitve and there are some great deals out there for weed in CA.


Interesting! (And glad to see I didn't kill the thread after all.)

What's the spread on street/dispensary prices for... say, a gram, an 1/8 and a 1/2 where you are? I used to pay $30 for an 1/8, and $50 to $60 for a 1/4 for decent (not great) quality stuff.

I'm in San Diego County, just for reference purposes.
 
2009-11-06 05:43:20 PM
Tallykat: jjorsett: I'm curious: what's the price of dispensary pot vs street pot of the same quality?

This one's hard to quantify, but I'll take a stab at it. Bear in mind this is my personal experience, so it's anecdotal; i.e., worthless on Fark.

The dispensary price for MJ by weight is roughly double the street price, but where you hit the snag is in the comparable quality of the merchandise.

Dispensaries, by and large, don't sell crap weed. You won't see Mex ditch weed or that brown brick crap in any dispensaries. Even the cheaper stuff (yes there is a price range) is consistently better in quality. Plus, and this part is important, YOU GET TO CHOOSE.

There is a varied selection, neatly divided into indicas and sativas. You can examine and smell the buds yourself. You can ask the bud tender what will help most with your particular ailment, and if the place is good, you will get good advice.

You don't have to worry about getting mugged or attacked by the folks running the dispensaries, they WANT you to have a good experience and come back- there is lots of competition out there. And if you're nervous, the friendly dispensary security guard will be happy to walk you to your car and see you safely out of the parking lot.

I pay double the street price for my superb quality MJ and do it happily, and have a friendly, reliable and SAFE place to get it from. Worth the money in my mind.

And just as an aside, the prices are creeping slowly down as they get established. I was pleased to see as they got past the initial business startup costs, the prices were going down.

Oh, and they have a donation jar on the counter for their terminally ill patients. I throw a buck in every time just because, so that's an added cost I supposed I should list to be accurate.

/ramble off
//I know, I know, I just love my collective. They're so awesome- everything you could ask for and scrupulous about following what the rules/regs the state and county have bothered to specify.


I had never heard this one before. That is so very very awesome. Thank you for doing that.
 
2009-11-06 06:31:15 PM
As long as they tax the hell out of it, I don't care if it's for recreational use or not.
 
2009-11-06 06:50:20 PM
Screw the tax part. Just legalize it.

Aslo, cocaine cures drowsiness. Just sayin.
 
2009-11-06 07:03:14 PM
Big_Fat_Liar: Screw the tax part. Just legalize it.

Aslo, cocaine cures drowsiness. Just sayin.


If it's California, there will be a tax on it.
 
2009-11-07 12:42:07 AM
Mugato: Sybarite: bleeding from the asshole...

Would you mind getting out of the pool?
 
2009-11-07 02:58:41 AM
This is why I wasn't in favor of legalizing MJ. You get a pot store on every corner and suddenly everyone's sick and in need of some weed.
 
2009-11-07 01:37:06 PM
j0ndas: This is why I wasn't in favor of legalizing MJ. You get a pot store on every corner and suddenly everyone's sick and in need of some weed.

You do realize those people were probably already smoking pot right? Now they can just do so without an undue risk of violent crime sewn in. Admit it, you just hate to see people enjoying themselves.
 
2009-11-07 07:53:09 PM
We in California whine loudly about a great deal of misfortunes that we suffer daily.
None are real misfortunes.

But, we believe that we know better than you.
Mostly because you aren't a Californian.

And apparently our entire population of 17-26 year olds have glaucoma
 
2009-11-07 08:46:15 PM
Fizics: I have been fighting this psuedo-legalization of this drug for years and every day I seee more and more laxity in the enforcement of our already established "anti-pot" laws. These people are not sick! It's obvious that they are faking their maladies, just yesterday I caught an obvioulsy healthy hippy walking into one of these "dispensaries" and questioned him on his illness to which he replied "I got blindness in my eye". Blindness in his eye? How was he walking into the place then?

So I tried to explain to him that he was violating the spirit of our laws and while he stared at me blearily, I kicked his white cane out from underneath him and tripped him yelling "Didn't see that one coming did you hippy!" Now he has a "medical" reason to smoke at least. We cannot allow this softness to continue, the great state of California needs to shake these fleas off before it's too late, mark my words.


Oooooooooh, I see. This guy's a troll.
 
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