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(Daily Kos)   Swine flu vaccine finally comes in, gets distributed to high-risk individuals like pregnant women, infants and children and executives at Citigroup and Goldman Sachs   (dailykos.com) divider line 254
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2009-11-06 11:39:04 AM  
GoldDude: Troll, troll, troll your thread...

...gently down to hell!
Merrily, merrily, quite contrarily,
Life has a shiatty smell!
 
2009-11-06 11:39:53 AM  
Got my shot 2 Days ago.

/Canadian
 
2009-11-06 11:49:02 AM  
Change we can believe in.
 
2009-11-06 11:50:13 AM  
Approves

www.design-engine.com
 
2009-11-06 11:52:22 AM  
For those that like a few numbers to go with their panic, this is sure to drive you over the edge. Here (new window) are the latest statistics from the CDC including:

- 530 dead due to flu from August 30 to October 24, 2009
- 65 of those are lab confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths

/school system giving H1N1 vaccine to my kids today
//not getting the vaccine and neither is my wife
///not worried and will deal with it when I get sick
////slashies!!
 
2009-11-06 11:53:07 AM  
It's both amusing and kinda frightening to see how both the public and the authorities have reacted to this (so far) relatively minor health risk. If anything really serious starts going around that actually kills many people very quickly, I'm barricading myself inside my home with a food supply and firearms to avoid the hysteria that an actual deadly disease would cause. From the hypochondriacs filling up the ERs because they think they're gonna die of the flu to the retards telling us that the flu vaccine kills to the people screeching that if you don't get your kid vaccinated you hate children and want them to die to the govt telling us things that later turn out not to be the case (ie, the amount of vaccine that will be distributed/available at a given time) to the opportunists using the hysteria to enrich themselves, 90% of the population would be goddam worthless at best in the event of an actual, serious health emergency. That shiat scares me more than any disease.
 
2009-11-06 11:53:54 AM  
Jacobin: Approves

Always thought it was ironic (I know, I know) that she smoked to prove that she was "hard" and ended up dying of lung cancer.
 
2009-11-06 12:00:16 PM  
Techhell: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

1) It has the POTENTIAL to be devastating.
1a) It hasn't been devastating yet.

2) It is a strain which affects younger people more often than older people, as older people (born before 1950) have an immunity to it, having lived through strains much like this.
2a) Old people still get the regular flu and die as much as always.

3) It has a transmission vector which includes not only domestic livestock, but includes domestic companions.
3a) Your mom can give it to me, like she gave me the clap. (Why didn't you warn me? Bastard.)

4) There isn't a presidential election going on.
4a) The media is bored, and needs to sell advertising.

5) Sarah Palin has been rather quiet as of late.
5a) See 4a

6) Glenn Beck has been using a spell checker.
6a) See 5a

7) Keith Olbermann needs new targets for his Worst Person In the World
7a) See 6a

8) Kids have died from H1N1.
8a) White kids have died from H1N1. This invokes Rule 1423, the "Nancy Grace Rule" for media coverage.

9) There's a worldwide financial crisis. Stock markets have crashed, burned, and executives need to keep their 5th vacation home on that little Caribbean island that doesn't have any extradition treaties with anyone. Voters want their governments to pay billions of dollars to keep them safe and healthy. Vaccines can make billions of dollars keeping healthy people (who probably wouldn't dangerously sick if they got H1N1) healthy.
9a) Step 1: Tell media the worst case scenario. (see 3a, cute little pussy is now a THREAT TO ALL YOU HOLD DEAR!) Step 2: (???) Let Media whip viewers into a frenzy over newest fad epipandemicalypsageggedon. Step 3: PROFIT!

/Add to the list at your leisure.


11.)Seasonal flu vaccines + swine flu vaccines = 2(profit)
 
2009-11-06 12:00:50 PM  
The flaws in a for-profit medical industry, you see them now.
 
2009-11-06 12:01:26 PM  
I guess it balances out. Around here, you have to be a low income/no income waste of resources to get the vaccine. Why vaccinate them when they are just gonna pump out a dozen more welfare claims anyway.

I say let them crash.
 
2009-11-06 12:06:43 PM  
While I agree the media hype is ridiculous and you are more likely to die of influenza A than H1N1, I still put my seat belt on every morning and but flight insurance when I travel.

/resume panic
//either get the shot or don't and shut up.
 
2009-11-06 12:08:34 PM  
media.comicvine.com

Our top story: everybody panic. Swine 09' will kill us all. In other news swine flu is no more deadly than the regular flu.
 
2009-11-06 12:11:49 PM  
spmkk: If you show up at work and your boss gives you a task list with 9 out of 10 items marked "PRIORITY 1", your boss is an idiot.

Say you work for a magazine and your boss tells you 90% of customers have subscriptions expiring this year, and 10% next year. It's time to email/call/mail reminders. Would the 10% be the HIGHEST or LOWEST priority group? Could you answer that?

Take your time.
 
2009-11-06 12:12:19 PM  
mod3072: Techhell: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

1) It has the POTENTIAL to be devastating.
1a) It hasn't been devastating yet.

2) It is a strain which affects younger people more often than older people, as older people (born before 1950) have an immunity to it, having lived through strains much like this.
2a) Old people still get the regular flu and die as much as always.

3) It has a transmission vector which includes not only domestic livestock, but includes domestic companions.
3a) Your mom can give it to me, like she gave me the clap. (Why didn't you warn me? Bastard.)

4) There isn't a presidential election going on.
4a) The media is bored, and needs to sell advertising.

5) Sarah Palin has been rather quiet as of late.
5a) See 4a

6) Glenn Beck has been using a spell checker.
6a) See 5a

7) Keith Olbermann needs new targets for his Worst Person In the World
7a) See 6a

8) Kids have died from H1N1.
8a) White kids have died from H1N1. This invokes Rule 1423, the "Nancy Grace Rule" for media coverage.

9) There's a worldwide financial crisis. Stock markets have crashed, burned, and executives need to keep their 5th vacation home on that little Caribbean island that doesn't have any extradition treaties with anyone. Voters want their governments to pay billions of dollars to keep them safe and healthy. Vaccines can make billions of dollars keeping healthy people (who probably wouldn't dangerously sick if they got H1N1) healthy.
9a) Step 1: Tell media the worst case scenario. (see 3a, cute little pussy is now a THREAT TO ALL YOU HOLD DEAR!) Step 2: (???) Let Media whip viewers into a frenzy over newest fad epipandemicalypsageggedon. Step 3: PROFIT!

/Add to the list at your leisure.

11.)Seasonal flu vaccines + swine flu vaccines = 2(profit)


the making of vaccines is such a low-margin business that there's really only one or two companies worldwide left doing it on any scale and both of them are heavily subsidized by governments to stay in business. Nobody in the US is getting rich of the vaccine either. The US government bought up every single dose available to the US at a fixed price and it is giving it away for free.

It's kinda cool that we live in a world where pandemics are so rare that people scoff at even the possibility of one; but trust me, if something like the Spanish Flu hit today, for all our anti-viral drugs and medical technology, I'm betting the final death toll world wide would 500 million to 1 billion worldwide.
 
2009-11-06 12:19:28 PM  
ball licking excrement eating tools!

With what they are making, they could probably afford to cover themselves.
 
2009-11-06 12:19:54 PM  
I talked to Hitler last night in a seance and he said, "typical."
 
2009-11-06 12:22:05 PM  
Lost Thought 00: You f*ck up the economy, you go to the back of the line for health care and basic human rights.

/I guess
//Never understood liberal "logic"


By the sound of it, you've never understood very much in life.
 
2009-11-06 12:30:17 PM  
jaytkay
"spmkk: If you show up at work and your boss gives you a task list with 9 out of 10 items marked "PRIORITY 1", your boss is an idiot."

Say you work for a magazine and your boss tells you 90% of customers have subscriptions expiring this year, and 10% next year. It's time to email/call/mail reminders. Would the 10% be the HIGHEST or LOWEST priority group? Could you answer that?

Take your time.



The 10% would be the lowest (did I pass?). Which does NOT mean that the 90% would be the highest.

If you only have the resources to email/call/mail 20% your customers, then your boss had better be able to clarify which 20% you should contact first (in this case, probably based on who is the most likely to renew their subscription if contacted).

If he knows you can only contact 20% but tells you to contact 50%, it is unreasonable to hold you responsible for contacting the wrong 20%.
 
2009-11-06 12:30:35 PM  
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

I thought the same thing until it Farked my whole world up. I've been over the virus for a couple weeks, but it brought on health complications that won't be fixed until mid-January.
 
2009-11-06 12:37:31 PM  
pugsleythegreat: DEUS-EX

This is all.


I am both glad that was said and angry that I wasn't the first to do it.
 
2009-11-06 12:51:21 PM  
Then give all the vaccines to the homeless and let the rich die off so you can get your tax revenue from the money tree instead.
 
2009-11-06 12:52:04 PM  
antoniojvr: I may be a troll, but the gov really farked this up.

Erm, no. Private industry farked this up, failing to manufacture even as much vaccine as was ordered by hospitals. Of course, it's not an unexpected farkup-- vaccines are hard to make, and it takes a long lead time that isn't always the same due to varying growth rates to do it. Honestly, that this EVER works is amazing. The process is roughly:

1. Predict the future
2. Start a 6-month+ manufacturing process based on #1
3. Hope you were right and that flu season doesn't arrive faster than you can finish #2

But to blame this on the government? That's silly. They're hardly even involved in our current system, mostly just issuing warnings and keeping tabs on the numbers.
 
2009-11-06 12:53:44 PM  
virtualchoirboy: For those that like a few numbers to go with their panic, this is sure to drive you over the edge. Here (new window) are the latest statistics from the CDC including:

- 530 dead due to flu from August 30 to October 24, 2009
- 65 of those are lab confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths

/school system giving H1N1 vaccine to my kids today
//not getting the vaccine and neither is my wife
///not worried and will deal with it when I get sick
////slashies!!


It's not the absolute numbers that are the concern. It's the numbers for THIS TIME OF YEAR, when it will probably get much worse.

65 Pediatric deaths you say? How many died between August 1 and November 30 of 2008? ZERO. How many in 2007? THREE. Halfway through the same period, and we have more than an order of magnitude more deaths than the last two years combined.
 
2009-11-06 12:55:00 PM  
theoriginalslash:
If anything really serious starts going around that actually kills many people very quickly, I'm barricading myself inside my home with a food supply and firearms to avoid the hysteria that an actual deadly disease would cause. From the hypochondriacs filling up the ERs because they think they're gonna die of the flu to the retards telling us that the flu vaccine kills to the people screeching that if you don't get your kid vaccinated you hate children and want them to die to the govt telling us things that later turn out not to be the case (ie, the amount of vaccine that will be distributed/available at a given time) to the opportunists using the hysteria to enrich themselves, 90% of the population would be goddam worthless at best in the event of an actual, serious health emergency. That shiat scares me more than any disease.

Take comfort... the world is not really FARK
 
2009-11-06 12:57:32 PM  
I'm just getting over H1N1. Sure, I felt like dookie for a few days, and still do a bit, but it's no worse than any other flu I've had, and milder than most.
 
2009-11-06 12:57:53 PM  
yakmans_dad: "If you guys don't want the vaccine, let it drop already."

You think maybe it's possible the people complaining about the vaccine distribution are *different* than the people who are making fun of the media fear parade?

Or does everyone who disagrees with you on a single topic automatically disagree with you on every topic?

Honestly, I can't tell if the inability to conceptualize anything beyond team-affiliation is a defect of human nature or a symptom of defective humans.
 
2009-11-06 12:59:17 PM  
If only the Americans of today had the balls the early Americans had. Back then "tea parties" looked a lot different.
 
2009-11-06 12:59:55 PM  
alabasterblack:
...and but flight insurance when I travel.
'buy', I assume, not 'but'

You don't mean that temporary life insurance that pays out if you die in a plane crash, do you?

That stuff is the only thing that makes lotto players look smart.
 
2009-11-06 01:02:50 PM  
Kazakhstan is greatest country in the world: If only the Americans of today had the balls the early Americans had. Back then "tea parties" looked a lot different.

What - and dress up like Muslims to hide their identities?
 
2009-11-06 01:05:31 PM  
Well on the bright side, Lovely Dearest Beautiful America, when the revolution begins, we all know who will be the first up against the wall and so do they.
 
2009-11-06 01:16:00 PM  
Kazakhstan is greatest country in the world: If only the Americans of today had the balls the early Americans had. Back then "tea parties" looked a lot different.

coolest-kid-birthday-parties.shippony.com

No kidding!

/Who wants to sit by Polly Prissypants?
 
2009-11-06 01:23:48 PM  
spmkk: someonelse
"NightOwl2255: Yeah, I don't give a lot of weight to the opinion of a person who randomly intermingles upper and lower case letters.

And appears to be wearing a letter jacket and tapered acid-washed jeans."


Yes. You should never evaluate the content of the message, you should only judge the messenger.

If someone tells you the emperor isn't wearing any clothes, you should make sure they're dressed like you and their grammar is correct before looking to see if the emperor is naked.


How about I make sure they are at least semi-coherent and not dressed like an extra from Saved by the Bell?
 
2009-11-06 01:24:39 PM  
Well this sucks. My wife has a compromised immune system, and has been told by two of her doctors to get the swine flu vaccine. When we called the last time, they were all out and awaiting a fresh shipment. Seems like she should be getting this before all of those people on Wall Street (unless of course they are also in the high risk category). I guess we'll keep waiting our turn like the peons we are and hope that she doesn't get really sick in the mean time.
 
2009-11-06 01:27:01 PM  
ghare: Prank Call of Cthulhu: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is like 0.1%, and H1N1's mortality rate could potentially be triple that. Oh noes!!! That's 0.3%. That's as many as three thousandths. And that's terrible.

Deaths from h1n1 have already matched the normal death rate for the entire flu season. It takes a different vaccine than the normal flu virus.

It is more debilitating than the normal flu.

It is contagious.

It kills children.

You would be a fool not to get it if you are in a high risk group.


http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#MS

Yay real data!
 
2009-11-06 01:48:10 PM  
Ashelth:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#MS

Yay real data!


Give it a few hours. They update every Friday, sometime between now and about 7pm. Then we'll know through Halloween.
 
2009-11-06 03:09:00 PM  
theoriginalslash: It's both amusing and kinda frightening to see how both the public and the authorities have reacted to this (so far) relatively minor health risk. If anything really serious starts going around that actually kills many people very quickly, I'm barricading myself inside my home with a food supply and firearms to avoid the hysteria that an actual deadly disease would cause. From the hypochondriacs filling up the ERs because they think they're gonna die of the flu to the retards telling us that the flu vaccine kills to the people screeching that if you don't get your kid vaccinated you hate children and want them to die to the govt telling us things that later turn out not to be the case (ie, the amount of vaccine that will be distributed/available at a given time) to the opportunists using the hysteria to enrich themselves, 90% of the population would be goddam worthless at best in the event of an actual, serious health emergency. That shiat scares me more than any disease.
 
2009-11-06 03:10:59 PM  
^ THIS!
 
2009-11-06 03:22:34 PM  
antoniojvr:

/I may be a troll, but the gov really farked this up.



I don't think it's wrong to make an ad hominem attaack on that dude. It's not like he typed too fast and made a few mistakes on a fark post. His moranic ass couldn't be bothered to make a good sign (health care) plus he looks like a tool bag. I think one can draw the correct conclusion that both the message and the messenger are crap.
 
2009-11-06 03:23:50 PM  
attack, hah nice.
 
2009-11-06 03:23:56 PM  
You don't wait for a tornado to reduce a town or two to slabs before acting. If you see a farking huge super-cell developing, you go ahead and warn people that tornadoes might form, and they might even be big. Just because there is an F1 or F2 tornado every year in your county doesn't mean that the weather service is full of shiat when it says, "Hey - that looks awfully dangerous. It might be an F3 or even an F4."

And what's going on NOW is to say, "Yeah, I know that it's .5 miles wide, but it's only just landed and it's only just leveled two houses. Don't panic and go running for the tornado shelter until we see how far it moves. It might go away."

Ho can you look at the death rate, look at the rate in previous years, and conclude there's nothing to be concerned about? Seriously: tell me how many people need to die and by when before I can irritate you by mentioning it again. Let me know. Would 5000 by end of November be good enough? 10,000 by Christmas? Or should I wait until 30,000 died by President's Day only to be biatched at for not warning you to get your vaccine? Give me a number and a date so I can spare your sensibilities.
 
2009-11-06 03:28:36 PM  
What Wall Street might think like.

img217.imageshack.us
 
2009-11-06 03:40:29 PM  
That Jenny McCarthy must be in a real pickle.
 
2009-11-06 04:37:26 PM  
MDGeist:
Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

H1N1 is the same virus that caused the "Spanish Flu" in 1918 and a while after. It killed as many as 100 million people, or about one of every THREE people who caught it. It also, unlike most viruses, tended to kill younger, healthier people, rather than the elderly and sickly.

Also, the pattern was the same... a year or two of low infection rates, with high death rates, and then the virus mutated into one spread easily, and it was on like Donkey Kong. Considering things like increased population, increased population density, and increased amounts of world travel, if H1N1 does what it did last time, the death toll could be a BILLION people. Ouch.
 
2009-11-06 04:47:06 PM  
stucka:
Prank Call of Cthulhu: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is like 0.1%, and H1N1's mortality rate could potentially be triple that. Oh noes!!! That's 0.3%. That's as many as three thousandths. And that's terrible.

I admire any thread that gets a guy named Cthulhu replying to a guy from Ipswich, Mass.

Meh, I went and looked this up. The Spanish Flu INFECTED one of three people on the planet, and killed 10% of those who caught it, not a third, as I said above. My bad. But, you're still off by a factor of thirty. 10% fatality, not 0.3%
 
2009-11-06 04:48:06 PM  
My goddaughter has swine flu. You can imagine I am highly displeased.

/was Obvious tag out drinking with Fail tag?
 
2009-11-06 05:29:12 PM  
Magorn: Pretty much, and even more specifically it moves from wild migratory birds to domestic fowl, in one very specific region of China every year like clockwork. Whether it stays with the birds and then mutates into a form humans can get, or, as in this one, first mutates into something pigs can get and then into something people (and sometimes birds again) can get, seems to be pure luck of the mutation. However one or the other seems to always be the vector to people. Thus, every new flu starts in China and spreads outwards, which is why the world health groups have all kinds of monitoring protocols in hospitals and doctor's offices in that region, so they get an early warning of what "brand" of flu we'll get each year.

So what you're saying is that if we nuke China into a glowing crater, we'll have (eventually) cured the flu forever? Maybe even plan to do it seasonally after doing some studies to make sure you wipe out whatever population of birds it is that's transmitting it.

You're on to something here...

I wonder if viruses aren't some kind of bird biological warfare. They all go "migrate" down to their weapons lab in the south and breed up something nasty for us, then go drop it off in the middle of where humanity is the most dense. How diabolical. BIIIIIIRRRRRDS!!!!
 
2009-11-06 06:17:42 PM  
Dictatorial_Flair: So what you're saying is that if we nuke China into a glowing crater, we'll have (eventually) cured the flu forever? Maybe even plan to do it seasonally after doing some studies to make sure you wipe out whatever population of birds it is that's transmitting it.

You're on to something here...

I wonder if viruses aren't some kind of bird biological warfare. They all go "migrate" down to their weapons lab in the south and breed up something nasty for us, then go drop it off in the middle of where humanity is the most dense. How diabolical. BIIIIIIRRRRRDS!!!!


but what if nuking that area actually mutates the flu further into a super-nuclear-zombie-flu that ultimately brings about the zombie apocolypse? you can't take chances like that, especially with the population of places like china, india, and japan. it says right here in my Big Book of All Things Zombie, by uprislng, that super-nuclear-zombies can travel under water indefinitely, meaning our only escape would be outer space, and I don't have my moon-base rocket completed yet.
 
2009-11-06 06:35:17 PM  
uprislng: Dictatorial_Flair: So what you're saying is that if we nuke China into a glowing crater, we'll have (eventually) cured the flu forever? Maybe even plan to do it seasonally after doing some studies to make sure you wipe out whatever population of birds it is that's transmitting it.

You're on to something here...

I wonder if viruses aren't some kind of bird biological warfare. They all go "migrate" down to their weapons lab in the south and breed up something nasty for us, then go drop it off in the middle of where humanity is the most dense. How diabolical. BIIIIIIRRRRRDS!!!!

but what if nuking that area actually mutates the flu further into a super-nuclear-zombie-flu that ultimately brings about the zombie apocolypse? you can't take chances like that, especially with the population of places like china, india, and japan. it says right here in my Big Book of All Things Zombie, by uprislng, that super-nuclear-zombies can travel under water indefinitely, meaning our only escape would be outer space, and I don't have my moon-base rocket completed yet.


Then that would be awesome, though it seems unlikely. I don't think viruses generally withstand being blasted with amounts of radiation that will kill their hosts in a matter of days. Viruses aren't THAT sturdy, you can kill basically all of them with bleach if they're not in a body. If I'm recalling correctly, ionizing radiation causes double-strand breaks in DNA, and that's practically all viruses are so I don't see why many would "survive."
 
2009-11-06 06:37:59 PM  
I'm getting a kick out of this since I am signed up to get it through work next week. A friend of mine is bitter he is not getting the shot.

/Why yes, I do work for a German company and he works for an Israeli company. Why do you ask?
 
2009-11-06 07:20:58 PM  
Got mine today. Nice and easy. Then I learned some science, had gay sex, performed an abortion, married a turtle, and smoked some reefer. fark you Glenn Beck!

/Okay, I only actually did three of these things. Including getting the vaccine.
 
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