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(Daily Kos)   Swine flu vaccine finally comes in, gets distributed to high-risk individuals like pregnant women, infants and children and executives at Citigroup and Goldman Sachs   (dailykos.com) divider line 252
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2009-11-06 08:23:07 AM
They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.
 
2009-11-06 08:23:42 AM
Vests.

/Whoops.
 
2009-11-06 09:01:31 AM
Hopefully the health care workers who administer the vaccine to the fat cats will make them bend over and take the little pricks in the ass.

Turnabout is fair play.
 
2009-11-06 09:07:31 AM
See? They really are better than we vermin.
 
2009-11-06 09:11:15 AM
If only we had known earlier they were such high risk. We certainly wouldn't have given them any money.
 
2009-11-06 09:15:42 AM
No, it's distributed to their company nurses, and, presumably, those doses go to their employees in the "high risk" pools. (Pregnant women, young 'uns, vice presidents...)
 
2009-11-06 09:15:48 AM
Sounds like Morgan Stanley donated their vaccines to area hospitals..like Morgan Stanley's Children's Hospital. I think that's a good thing, but I'm not sure. I like conspiracies..
 
2009-11-06 09:16:19 AM
Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?
 
2009-11-06 09:16:42 AM
If they weren't high-risk before, they are now.
 
2009-11-06 09:16:42 AM
Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) asked Health and Human Service (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to investigate why the Center for Disease Control (CDC) approved the distribution of the H1NI vaccine to Wall Street firms at a time when the vaccine is unavailable to most Americans.

Because those people are better than you.
Get used to it, you whiny poor people.

(Troll, troll, troll your thread...)
 
2009-11-06 09:17:49 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?


No.
 
2009-11-06 09:18:58 AM
That reminds me, I need to invest in a pitchfork company.
 
2009-11-06 09:19:13 AM
The complaints about the distribution of swine flu vaccine reminds me of the joke from Annie Hall

-The food was terrible.
-Yes. And such small portions.

And the Santayana joke:

-There is no God and Mary is His mother.

Which are both variants of the famous Groucho Marx gag about not wanting to belong to any club that "would have me as a member."

If you guys don't want the vaccine, let it drop already.
 
2009-11-06 09:19:28 AM
TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

I agree with you 100
 
2009-11-06 09:20:07 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

its not. we just love fear mongering!!

/Panic, please Panic
 
2009-11-06 09:22:41 AM
All those companies are based in New York City. If you've been here, you know how tightly packed in we are, and our food is frequently handled by people without health insurance and who can't afford to take a sick day. Living in one of the five boroughs, especially Manhattan or Brooklyn, should probably be its own risk category. For everything.
 
2009-11-06 09:22:41 AM
Headline forgets Hockey Players and Basketball Pylons, aka the Calgary Flames and the Toronto Maple Leaf's.
 
2009-11-06 09:23:32 AM
You f*ck up the economy, you go to the back of the line for health care and basic human rights.

/I guess
//Never understood liberal "logic"
 
2009-11-06 09:23:40 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

If you're in a high-risk group, it's a big deal. If you're not, it's just a deal.
 
2009-11-06 09:23:41 AM
Well, both articles only ever state that we gave them to the companies... which isn't a horrible idea. I assume we gave them to the companies to administer to certain individuals.

Obviously, they probably did vaccinate the higher-ups since they only gave the companies a couple hundred vaccines, but you can't exactly ASSUME that.
 
2009-11-06 09:23:50 AM
*in before any Canadians start snarking on the USA, cuz, well, we farked this up too.*
 
2009-11-06 09:23:52 AM
Obama's Pay Czar did not cap Goldman Sachs executive pay, either. Conservitards' fault, surely.
 
2009-11-06 09:23:54 AM
Why not? They got distributed at University of Phoenix Online where you know the contact is high with the students on a day to day basis.

/400K+ students...makes sense
 
2009-11-06 09:24:00 AM
Should be a fun story to follow. Twittered* this with #swineflu - hopefully will pick up.

/yes, twittered.
//what of it?
 
2009-11-06 09:24:05 AM
Rich people usually manage to get a better quality of service from most agencies, government agencies included. You can't really whine about it when they get it from a private agency, but when they get it from a public agency that we all were compelled to pay into on the promise of equal treatment, yeah, you can whine. And yeah, this will happen under a public health insurance option, and it will happen when healthcare is ultimately completely socialized.
 
2009-11-06 09:24:08 AM
EvilEgg: That reminds me, I need to invest in a pitchfork company.

www.filmdope.com

A riot is a terrible thing...and I think that it's just about time we had one!
 
2009-11-06 09:24:34 AM
I'll save my outrage for something that I really care about.

/already had the swine flu
/dying is for wimps.
 
2009-11-06 09:25:31 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Not only is the injection completely safe, afterwards you won't need to carry around your passport or credit cards anymore. It's true.
 
2009-11-06 09:26:00 AM
I picked up that crap working at emergency. The last couple weeks have been nuts, everyone with sniffles has been coming in.
And I did have the vaccine- but found out the hard way it takes a week or two before it actually protects you from getting the flu.
Mostly, this just leaves your chest sore from coughing, and leaves you about as full of energy as a dead mackeral.
/off work for seven days due to health regs
//not enough energy to look at porn, dammit...
 
2009-11-06 09:26:36 AM
Lost Thought 00: You f*ck up the economy, you go to the back of the line for health care and basic human rights.

/I guess
//Never understood liberal "logic"


GOP rightwinger pretending not to back Big Business to score points.

Sure. That's believable.

So, you're ready to bring back all the regs that let the meltdown happen, eh? Ready to reaffirm the necessity of government regulations and the well-ordered society? Ready to admit to being a liberal, are you?
 
2009-11-06 09:27:50 AM
TheShavingofOccam123: A riot is a terrible thing...and I think that it's just about time we had one!


www.parterre.com
 
2009-11-06 09:27:53 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

It isn't. I have the crap right now, it's not a _debilitating_ flu, but does suck more than any one I have had in the last 20 years.

The places where it's much different, is more lung pain, and oddly spaced runs. No nausea, just the runs.

The supposed danger of it, is it revs up your immune system if you are healthy instead of just trying to avoid it. So, if you are pregnant or young and tough, it's much worse for you.

I thank my local bartender for helping me keep my immune system out of whack.
 
2009-11-06 09:28:00 AM
I just saw a fantastic commercial that ends with a tagline something like, "If the Government can't handle the flu, can it really handle our health care?"

It was full of WIN.
 
2009-11-06 09:29:23 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is like 0.1%, and H1N1's mortality rate could potentially be triple that. Oh noes!!! That's 0.3%. That's as many as three thousandths. And that's terrible.
 
2009-11-06 09:29:29 AM
DEUS-EX

This is all.
 
2009-11-06 09:29:56 AM
amaranthe: I just saw a fantastic commercial that ends with a tagline something like, "If the Government can't handle the flu, can it really handle our health care?"

It was full of WIN.


You keep saying that word.

Government is an insurance plan. Not a health plan.

/Learning a new thing is sooooo hard.
 
2009-11-06 09:30:32 AM
Thanks for pissing me off on a Friday.
 
2009-11-06 09:31:10 AM
Well, they are government run operations.
 
2009-11-06 09:31:10 AM
yakmans_dad: You keep saying that word.

Um, that's the Boobies I've made on FARK in at least 6 months... how does that count as "keep saying" anything..?
 
2009-11-06 09:32:09 AM
My doctor can't give it away. He has 300 doses sitting in his office.

well, 299 after I left.
 
2009-11-06 09:32:42 AM
amaranthe: I just saw a fantastic commercial that ends with a tagline something like, "If the Government can't handle the flu, can it really handle our health care?"

It was full of WIN.


Actually, the government handles the vaccine because private health care won't do it. No money, too much liability. That's why we have so many uninsured and underinsured. Can't make any money off them, so screw 'em.
 
2009-11-06 09:32:55 AM
Ninja Wicked: TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

I agree with you 100


I see what you.
 
2009-11-06 09:33:04 AM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is like 0.1%, and H1N1's mortality rate could potentially be triple that. Oh noes!!! That's 0.3%. That's as many as three thousandths. And that's terrible.


You forgot to mention that there's an advanced warning of its spread: the increase in idiocy and indifference.
 
2009-11-06 09:33:15 AM
Please ye proletariat scum... back to your grindstones!
 
2009-11-06 09:33:16 AM
Bahhhhh, damn idiots and their flu vaccines. Don't they all know its corporate fearmongering by Big Pharma!?!

WHAT?! WHAT DO YOU MEAN RICH PEOPLE ARE GETTING VACCINES FIRST??? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2009-11-06 09:33:51 AM
I'm sure the teabaggers will be ALL over this...
 
2009-11-06 09:34:07 AM
amaranthe: yakmans_dad: You keep saying that word.

Um, that's the Boobies I've made on FARK in at least 6 months... how does that count as "keep saying" anything..?


Put "Princess Bride" in your Netflix queue.
 
2009-11-06 09:34:40 AM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is like 0.1%, and H1N1's mortality rate could potentially be triple that. Oh noes!!! That's 0.3%. That's as many as three thousandths. And that's terrible.


Deaths from h1n1 have already matched the normal death rate for the entire flu season. It takes a different vaccine than the normal flu virus.

It is more debilitating than the normal flu.

It is contagious.

It kills children.

You would be a fool not to get it if you are in a high risk group.
 
2009-11-06 09:35:12 AM
BenchBucket: Ninja Wicked: TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

I agree with you 100

I see what you.


Accidentally the whole?
 
Ni!
2009-11-06 09:35:19 AM
Well they ARE swine, after all.
 
2009-11-06 09:35:24 AM
innsaei: Thanks for pissing me off on a Friday.

I know! AND I have to go to the Dentist today!
 
2009-11-06 09:35:37 AM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is like 0.1%, and H1N1's mortality rate could potentially be triple that. Oh noes!!! That's 0.3%. That's as many as three thousandths. And that's terrible.


The infection rate is also higher so 0.3% over 0.1% makes a big difference when 10x the amount of people catch it.
 
2009-11-06 09:35:40 AM
I blame the GOP for this.

/burn them ALL!
 
2009-11-06 09:35:46 AM
jake3988: Well, both articles only ever state that we gave them to the companies... which isn't a horrible idea. I assume we gave them to the companies to administer to certain individuals.

Obviously, they probably did vaccinate the higher-ups since they only gave the companies a couple hundred vaccines, but you can't exactly ASSUME that.


"Obviously they probably did"? Unless it's proven that is what happened, people are just hyping up hatred towards companies that were given doses from the government. They did not steal it.

Plus - the risk groups are spread throughout society and it isn't far fetched to assume there could be 200 at-risk people at places like Goldman-Sachs: pregnant women, people with infants at home, people with weak immune systems, etc. Not everyone working for large corporations are faceless middle-aged white dudes.
 
2009-11-06 09:35:54 AM
"Put your viking helmet on,
Spread the mayonnaise on the lawn,
Don't you know, it's Weasel Stomping Day!"
 
2009-11-06 09:35:57 AM
TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

1.bp.blogspot.com

I donno man...being forced to watch that is a pretty harsh way to go.
 
2009-11-06 09:36:13 AM
Wow, I actually agree with those commie bastards at Daily Kos on something.

/4th sign of the apocalypse
 
2009-11-06 09:37:21 AM
amaranthe: Um, that's the Boobies I've made on FARK in at least 6 months...

Cool. Can you make some boobies for me too?
 
2009-11-06 09:37:32 AM
Well they had to test the vaccine on somebody. This is what passes for clinical trials now.
 
2009-11-06 09:38:18 AM
Germany's Naked Hitler: BenchBucket: Ninja Wicked: TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

I agree with you 100

I see what you.

Accidentally the whole?


Lay off. He fixed it in the second
 
2009-11-06 09:38:19 AM
bighairyguy: Wow, I actually agree with those commie bastards at Daily Kos on something.

/4th sign of the apocalypse


These type of comments confuse me.

Kos is an open forum. You could go sign up right now and start writing your own diaries and change Kos to be whatever you feel like. And then "one of those commie bastards" could be a BullMoose party supporter or something. They don't seem to drop the banhammer there nearly as often as the right winger sites which do mass bannings for things like supporting Guiliani in the primary.
 
2009-11-06 09:38:34 AM
Maybe they heard that they were responsible for the systemic risk of our nations economy and said "Crap, we'd better get vaccinated!"
 
2009-11-06 09:40:09 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

because of the potential. right now, it's only a little worse that a common flu. but if it decides to mutate a few times, there's nothing to stop it from becoming the next global plague.
 
2009-11-06 09:40:11 AM
foo monkey: Germany's Naked Hitler: BenchBucket: Ninja Wicked: TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

I agree with you 100

I see what you.

Accidentally the whole?

Lay off. He fixed it in the second


We'll lay off right after you go eat a pile of


/it's like adlibs
 
2009-11-06 09:40:15 AM
Philip J. Fry: bighairyguy: Wow, I actually agree with those commie bastards at Daily Kos on something.

/4th sign of the apocalypse

These type of comments confuse me.

Kos is an open forum. You could go sign up right now and start writing your own diaries and change Kos to be whatever you feel like. And then "one of those commie bastards" could be a BullMoose party supporter or something. They don't seem to drop the banhammer there nearly as often as the right winger sites which do mass bannings for things like supporting Guiliani in the primary.


Except for the fact that they perma-ban any commenters/users who express an opinion anywhere short of far-left
 
2009-11-06 09:40:22 AM
bighairyguy: Wow, I actually agree with those commie bastards at Daily Kos on something.

/4th sign of the apocalypse


Economic Depression. Populist resentment.

Gee. I wonder what the next step in the play book is?
 
2009-11-06 09:40:40 AM
Hoarding and rationing? In a country with the world's bestest health care? Umpossible.
 
2009-11-06 09:41:00 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

www.viraljesus.org

I'm kind of a big deal
 
2009-11-06 09:41:52 AM
norefuge: Well they had to test the vaccine on somebody. This is what passes for clinical trials now.

It beats animal testing...
 
2009-11-06 09:41:56 AM
jafiwam
The supposed danger of it, is it revs up your immune system if you are healthy instead of just trying to avoid it. So, if you are pregnant or young and tough, it's much worse for you.

I thank my local bartender for helping me keep my immune system out of whack.


I like your approach. I too have been keeping my immune system relatively compromised.... don't want the workers (white blood cells) to revolt against the master (the rest of me, biatches!)
\everybody PANdemIC!
 
2009-11-06 09:42:11 AM
I hope all the VIPs get their farkin Hamthrax vaccine soon, so we can move on to the women and children.

Those critical finance employees MUST be protected first.

asshats
 
2009-11-06 09:42:14 AM
The U.S. Medical system: Whoever has the money gets the best treatment.

The only factor considered is who will pay more. The rich always pay more so they always get their treatment first. Once they're done, the plebes can have the remainder.

Why is anyone surprised? After all, this is what you want since most of you yanks seem to hate the idea of socialized medicine.
 
2009-11-06 09:42:37 AM
"mmmnum... mmmmnum... mmmmnum..."

So, how are those fat, pasty, corporate arse holes tasting America? Are they yummy yummy? Keep licking... keep licking you peasant farks!.
 
2009-11-06 09:43:10 AM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is like 0.1%, and H1N1's mortality rate could potentially be triple that. Oh noes!!! That's 0.3%. That's as many as three thousandths. And that's terrible.


Yeah, considering 'regular' flu kills about 50k people in the US every year, 150,000 doesn't "seem" THAT bad unless you're one of those 150,000.
 
2009-11-06 09:43:12 AM
Lost Thought 00: Philip J. Fry: bighairyguy: Wow, I actually agree with those commie bastards at Daily Kos on something.

/4th sign of the apocalypse

These type of comments confuse me.

Kos is an open forum. You could go sign up right now and start writing your own diaries and change Kos to be whatever you feel like. And then "one of those commie bastards" could be a BullMoose party supporter or something. They don't seem to drop the banhammer there nearly as often as the right winger sites which do mass bannings for things like supporting Guiliani in the primary.

Except for the fact that they perma-ban any commenters/users who express an opinion anywhere short of far-left


No. Unless Far Left begins somewhere to the right of Sarah Palin.
Liberal blogs usually only ban for going off topic or getting ridiculously personal. DailyKos doesn't even ban for long-windedness.

You really ought to recalibrate that political meter of yours.
 
2009-11-06 09:43:18 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

1) It has the POTENTIAL to be devastating.
1a) It hasn't been devastating yet.

2) It is a strain which affects younger people more often than older people, as older people (born before 1950) have an immunity to it, having lived through strains much like this.
2a) Old people still get the regular flu and die as much as always.

3) It has a transmission vector which includes not only domestic livestock, but includes domestic companions.
3a) Your mom can give it to me, like she gave me the clap. (Why didn't you warn me? Bastard.)

4) There isn't a presidential election going on.
4a) The media is bored, and needs to sell advertising.

5) Sarah Palin has been rather quiet as of late.
5a) See 4a

6) Glenn Beck has been using a spell checker.
6a) See 5a

7) Keith Olbermann needs new targets for his Worst Person In the World
7a) See 6a

8) Kids have died from H1N1.
8a) White kids have died from H1N1. This invokes Rule 1423, the "Nancy Grace Rule" for media coverage.

9) There's a worldwide financial crisis. Stock markets have crashed, burned, and executives need to keep their 5th vacation home on that little Caribbean island that doesn't have any extradition treaties with anyone. Voters want their governments to pay billions of dollars to keep them safe and healthy. Vaccines can make billions of dollars keeping healthy people (who probably wouldn't dangerously sick if they got H1N1) healthy.
9a) Step 1: Tell media the worst case scenario. (see 3a, cute little pussy is now a THREAT TO ALL YOU HOLD DEAR!) Step 2: (???) Let Media whip viewers into a frenzy over newest fad epipandemicalypsageggedon. Step 3: PROFIT!

/Add to the list at your leisure.
 
2009-11-06 09:43:35 AM
we had the swine flu go round in the 70's.

President Ford. Whip Inflation Now and the swine flu.

/Do you like football? Do you like nachos?
 
2009-11-06 09:43:59 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Very few people are immune to H1N1.

Much of the population is immune to "normal" flu, from previous exposure or vaccination, and it kills about 35,000 in the US each year.
 
2009-11-06 09:44:32 AM
hitlersbrain: "mmmnum... mmmmnum... mmmmnum..."

So, how are those fat, pasty, corporate arse holes tasting America? Are they yummy yummy? Keep licking... keep licking you peasant farks!.


I ask again. Are you guys admitting that we need governmental oversight and regulation?

If not, you're just posing.
 
2009-11-06 09:44:54 AM
See, America does have the best health system that money can buy!
 
2009-11-06 09:45:13 AM
hitlersbrain: "mmmnum... mmmmnum... mmmmnum..."

So, how are those fat, pasty, corporate arse holes tasting America? Are they yummy yummy? Keep licking... keep licking you peasant farks!.


simpsonspedia.net

Hmm...needs more dog.
 
2009-11-06 09:46:52 AM
Techhell: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

1) It has the POTENTIAL to be devastating.
1a) It hasn't been devastating yet.

2) It is a strain which affects younger people more often than older people, as older people (born before 1950) have an immunity to it, having lived through strains much like this.
2a) Old people still get the regular flu and die as much as always.

3) It has a transmission vector which includes not only domestic livestock, but includes domestic companions.
3a) Your mom can give it to me, like she gave me the clap. (Why didn't you warn me? Bastard.)

4) There isn't a presidential election going on.
4a) The media is bored, and needs to sell advertising.

5) Sarah Palin has been rather quiet as of late.
5a) See 4a

6) Glenn Beck has been using a spell checker.
6a) See 5a

7) Keith Olbermann needs new targets for his Worst Person In the World
7a) See 6a

8) Kids have died from H1N1.
8a) White kids have died from H1N1. This invokes Rule 1423, the "Nancy Grace Rule" for media coverage.

9) There's a worldwide financial crisis. Stock markets have crashed, burned, and executives need to keep their 5th vacation home on that little Caribbean island that doesn't have any extradition treaties with anyone. Voters want their governments to pay billions of dollars to keep them safe and healthy. Vaccines can make billions of dollars keeping healthy people (who probably wouldn't dangerously sick if they got H1N1) healthy.
9a) Step 1: Tell media the worst case scenario. (see 3a, cute little pussy is now a THREAT TO ALL YOU HOLD DEAR!) Step 2: (???) Let Media whip viewers into a frenzy over newest fad epipandemicalypsageggedon. Step 3: PROFIT!

/Add to the list at your leisure.


10. Homeschooling really wanted to make a comeback.
 
2009-11-06 09:47:33 AM
You've got your bailout rage in my swine flu panic.
 
2009-11-06 09:48:12 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

A lot of 24 hour news stations (at least one per country)
The internet.

Next year it will be H1N2 (or whatever)

Working in a school, it is kind of sad to see what people are doing to their kids with this H1N1 "epidemic", I've spent way too much time calming down hysterical children this year.

And the annoying part is, when this all fizzles out everyone is going to be standing around patting themselves on the back that their quick action (finding a vaccine, standing in hours long lineups for the shot, wearing masks, buying a metric ass-load of hand sanitizer) averted the first major plague of the century, totally forgetting all the other "major plagues" that turned out to be nothing at all so far this century.

It's the flu, it sucks and it will kill a few people, sometimes seemingly healthy people, just like it always has, just like it always will.
 
2009-11-06 09:49:02 AM
TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

They might just accidentally their money on bullet-proof.
 
2009-11-06 09:49:23 AM
krelborne: You've got your bailout rage in my swine flu panic.

You've got your swine flu panic in my bailout rage!

/officer Reeses
 
2009-11-06 09:50:26 AM
Coming on a Bicycle: TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

They might just accidentally their money on bullet-proof.


proof spending accidentally better on bullet
 
2009-11-06 09:50:32 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Because, like SARS, Avian Flu, Santa Claus, masturbation and everything you see/use/eat/touch, IT IS GOING TO KILL YOU.

\Also, in 73% of my posts, I'm being facetious... or at least attempting to be.
\\srsly, don't look on Fark forums for medical advice.
 
2009-11-06 09:50:53 AM
mycatisposter: Obama's Pay Czar did not cap Goldman Sachs executive pay, either. Conservitards' fault, surely.

Goldman Sachs sets their own salaries, and they aren't going to fark themselves. They also, for all intents and purposes, run your government. Been that way for a long time.

/enjoy electing your next figurehead
 
2009-11-06 09:50:57 AM
yakmans_dad: I ask again. Are you guys admitting that we need governmental oversight and regulation?

If not, you're just posing.


I kind of thought it was plain that I do. I am utterly baffled (and more than a little pissed) that so many fellow Americans do not.
 
2009-11-06 09:51:19 AM
Those farkers are a bunch of babies pregnant with their own greed. I don't see the problem.
 
2009-11-06 09:51:47 AM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is like 0.1%, and H1N1's mortality rate could potentially be triple that. Oh noes!!! That's 0.3%. That's as many as three thousandths. And that's terrible.

That and it kills demographics that don't normally die of the seasonal flu.

It's infected two people in my office so far.
 
2009-11-06 09:52:30 AM
Lost Thought 00: Except for the fact that they perma-ban any commenters/users who express an opinion anywhere short of far-left

Riiiiight. And you've got proof? I've posted non-far-left thoughts to DKos more than once and my account still works. Farking troll...
 
2009-11-06 09:53:40 AM
The naysayers are always such that are never those in the "risk" pool. Where are those decrying this as only a stunt who are pregnant teachers with toddlers at home? Imagine this was your situation, I doubt you would be so flippant.
 
2009-11-06 09:54:06 AM
Nick Nostril: mycatisposter: Obama's Pay Czar did not cap Goldman Sachs executive pay, either. Conservitards' fault, surely.

Goldman Sachs sets their own salaries, and they aren't going to fark themselves. They also, for all intents and purposes, run your government. Been that way for a long time.

/enjoy electing your next figurehead


Don't spoil the fun
 
2009-11-06 09:54:26 AM
look, it's the SWINE flu, of course Goldman Sachs executives are more at risk...
 
2009-11-06 09:54:26 AM
I have a feeling that this will be disproven in a Snopes article at some point in the future.
 
2009-11-06 09:55:10 AM
Oh look, another thread where we all feign outrage for executives, yet no one can articulate why

/besides the fact that they did something with their lives, and you are a fat middle-aged liberal troll who is angry that everyone else isn't as much of a failure as you are
//Oops, did I say that out loud? That's supposed to be the secret
 
2009-11-06 09:55:29 AM
I just got my H1N1 shot at the Pentagon, so I'm getting a kick...

/why do I have the urge to enlist??
 
2009-11-06 09:55:41 AM
Rich people get better health care than poor people.blogs.acponline.org
 
2009-11-06 09:57:32 AM
Gwynplaine: It's the flu, it sucks and it will kill a few people, sometimes seemingly predominately healthy people, just like it always has, just like it always will.

Some strains of flu cause a cytokine storm, so that the stronger your immune system, the more likely you are to die. These strains kill mainly healthy young adults.
 
2009-11-06 09:58:00 AM
Philip J. Fry: bighairyguy: Wow, I actually agree with those commie bastards at Daily Kos on something.

/4th sign of the apocalypse

These type of comments confuse me.

Kos is an open forum. You could go sign up right now and start writing your own diaries and change Kos to be whatever you feel like. And then "one of those commie bastards" could be a BullMoose party supporter or something. They don't seem to drop the banhammer there nearly as often as the right winger sites which do mass bannings for things like supporting Guiliani in the primary.


Or I could stay on Fark, make a semi-lame joke and see if anyone confuses it for troll bait and bites
 
2009-11-06 09:58:11 AM
My dad is a doctor and he hooked me up with the swine flu vaccine on Friday, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2009-11-06 09:59:48 AM
foo monkey: Germany's Naked Hitler: BenchBucket: Ninja Wicked: TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

I agree with you 100

I see what you.

Accidentally the whole?

Lay off. He fixed it in the second


At first I was like...
img.slate.com

But then...
 
2009-11-06 09:59:53 AM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is like 0.1%, and H1N1's mortality rate could potentially be triple that. Oh noes!!! That's 0.3%. That's as many as three thousandths. And that's terrible.


I admire any thread that gets a guy named Cthulhu replying to a guy from Ipswich, Mass.
 
2009-11-06 10:00:47 AM
bushbot111: Oh look, another thread where we all feign outrage for executives, yet no one can articulate why

/besides the fact that they did something with their lives, and you are a fat middle-aged liberal troll who is angry that everyone else isn't as much of a failure as you are
//Oops, did I say that out loud? That's supposed to be the secret


What did they do besides come out of the right vagina? Exactly what skills do these douchebags have that justify their massive rewards from society? Why is their fleet of yachts more important than thousands of dying kids?

Please, explain it to me.
 
2009-11-06 10:01:46 AM
hitlersbrain: bushbot111: Oh look, another thread where we all feign outrage for executives, yet no one can articulate why

/besides the fact that they did something with their lives, and you are a fat middle-aged liberal troll who is angry that everyone else isn't as much of a failure as you are
//Oops, did I say that out loud? That's supposed to be the secret

What did they do besides come out of the right vagina? Exactly what skills do these douchebags have that justify their massive rewards from society? Why is their fleet of yachts more important than thousands of dying kids?

Please, explain it to me.


Are you for real, or are you just trying to live up to my description?
 
2009-11-06 10:01:51 AM
It's indirect. You wouldn't want Goldman Sachs to catch the flu and give it to your congressman during sex would you? Hard, sweaty, anal/oral, slippery sex? Like only a multi millionaire can have with a trusted, elected official?
 
2009-11-06 10:02:09 AM
make me some tea: I have a feeling that this will be disproven in a Snopes article at some point in the future.

Maybe. Snopes has been on the decline recently as numerous things I've looked up are not in there system. They also seem to shy away from stories that seem counter to the owners political leanings.
 
2009-11-06 10:02:26 AM
MDGeist: :Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Four of my five kids have had H1N1. All recovered without any problem...at least that's what we thought.

I spent most of yesterday at the doctor's office. My youngest has pneumonia....a complication from H1N1. He's really sick. He's on a powerful antibiotic as well as breathing treatments. And he still may end up hospitalized. He has no other health problems and rarely gets sick. It can be a very big deal.
 
2009-11-06 10:03:17 AM
hitlersbrain: bushbot111: Oh look, another thread where we all feign outrage for executives, yet no one can articulate why

/besides the fact that they did something with their lives, and you are a fat middle-aged liberal troll who is angry that everyone else isn't as much of a failure as you are
//Oops, did I say that out loud? That's supposed to be the secret

What did they do besides come out of the right vagina? Exactly what skills do these douchebags have that justify their massive rewards from society? Why is their fleet of yachts more important than thousands of dying kids?

Please, explain it to me.


Because they look at suffering as an opportunity for profit-making. And not in a good way, like trying to minimize suffering while making a profit. More like Corn Laws suffering.
 
2009-11-06 10:03:48 AM
Doink_Boink: The naysayers are always such that are never those in the "risk" pool. Where are those decrying this as only a stunt who are pregnant teachers with toddlers at home? Imagine this was your situation, I doubt you would be so flippant.

That's basically the case in most situations like this...people not affected by something say it's shiat, or decry it as overreaction.
 
2009-11-06 10:04:30 AM
bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: Oh look, another thread where we all feign outrage for executives, yet no one can articulate why

/besides the fact that they did something with their lives, and you are a fat middle-aged liberal troll who is angry that everyone else isn't as much of a failure as you are
//Oops, did I say that out loud? That's supposed to be the secret

What did they do besides come out of the right vagina? Exactly what skills do these douchebags have that justify their massive rewards from society? Why is their fleet of yachts more important than thousands of dying kids?

Please, explain it to me.

Are you for real, or are you just trying to live up to my description?


Waiting...
 
2009-11-06 10:04:47 AM
snocone: Nick Nostril: mycatisposter: Obama's Pay Czar did not cap Goldman Sachs executive pay, either. Conservitards' fault, surely.

Goldman Sachs sets their own salaries, and they aren't going to fark themselves. They also, for all intents and purposes, run your government. Been that way for a long time.

/enjoy electing your next figurehead

Don't spoil the fun


Sorry about that. I haven't started drinking yet today, still surly.
 
2009-11-06 10:05:13 AM
zena: MDGeist: :Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Four of my five kids have had H1N1. All recovered without any problem...at least that's what we thought.

I spent most of yesterday at the doctor's office. My youngest has pneumonia....a complication from H1N1. He's really sick. He's on a powerful antibiotic as well as breathing treatments. And he still may end up hospitalized. He has no other health problems and rarely gets sick. It can be a very big deal.


I hope he gets better.

Weird. I grew up in Burke and I'm wearing the same shirt as your husband. Meet me at the Fair Lakes Hilton in 40 min.
 
2009-11-06 10:05:44 AM
hitlersbrain: bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: Oh look, another thread where we all feign outrage for executives, yet no one can articulate why

/besides the fact that they did something with their lives, and you are a fat middle-aged liberal troll who is angry that everyone else isn't as much of a failure as you are
//Oops, did I say that out loud? That's supposed to be the secret

What did they do besides come out of the right vagina? Exactly what skills do these douchebags have that justify their massive rewards from society? Why is their fleet of yachts more important than thousands of dying kids?

Please, explain it to me.

Are you for real, or are you just trying to live up to my description?

Waiting...


I believe I asked you a question, so I'm waiting.
 
2009-11-06 10:07:19 AM
cynicalbastard: //not enough energy to look at porn, dammit...

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS NOT ENOUGH ENERGY TO LOOK AT PORN!
 
2009-11-06 10:07:30 AM
BubbaWilkins: make me some tea: I have a feeling that this will be disproven in a Snopes article at some point in the future.

Maybe. Snopes has been on the decline recently as numerous things I've looked up are not in there system. They also seem to shy away from stories that seem counter to the owners political leanings.


Really? Can you provide examples of that?
 
2009-11-06 10:09:42 AM
bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: Oh look, another thread where we all feign outrage for executives, yet no one can articulate why

/besides the fact that they did something with their lives, and you are a fat middle-aged liberal troll who is angry that everyone else isn't as much of a failure as you are
//Oops, did I say that out loud? That's supposed to be the secret

What did they do besides come out of the right vagina? Exactly what skills do these douchebags have that justify their massive rewards from society? Why is their fleet of yachts more important than thousands of dying kids?

Please, explain it to me.

Are you for real, or are you just trying to live up to my description?

Waiting...

I believe I asked you a question, so I'm waiting.


Still awaiting valid response...
 
2009-11-06 10:10:12 AM
TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

I accidentally the bullet-proof.
 
2009-11-06 10:10:31 AM
Techhell: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

[List of reasons]


You make some really good points because I was wondering the same thing. I have a parent who is a high-level military person and I was offered the H1N1 shot and I don't know... I didn't really trust it.
 
2009-11-06 10:11:54 AM
Don't be an idiot, they are too big to get the flu!
 
2009-11-06 10:12:08 AM
I had it already. So did my 12 year old nephew who is overweight and has asthma. He gave it to my mom and brother. None of us had serious complications but us adults all had to get antibiotics to shake the nasty cough afterwards. Nephew got treatment right away and recovered very quickly.

YES YES GODDAMMIT I KNOW VIRUSES ARE NOT TREATED WITH ANTIBIOTICS. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SECONDARY BACTERIAL INFECTIONS THAT TAKE HOLD WHILE YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS FIGHTING THE FLU VIRUS.

Capslock is to head off the wiseasses who say "You know ..." Yeah fark you I know.
 
2009-11-06 10:12:11 AM
foo monkey: Weird. I grew up in Burke and I'm wearing the same shirt as your husband. Meet me at the Fair Lakes Hilton in 40 min.

I love Burke! This is the third time we've lived here.

Meet me at the Fair Lakes Hilton in 40 min

OK...I'll be the frazzled mom dragging a seven year old with a nebulizer on his face. You'll hear us coming from miles away...his cough sounds like a really angry seal.

I hope he gets better.

Thanks. I've been doing the mommy thing for 20 years. I typically don't get too worried about stuff like this. This one has me worried. He's just not acting right.
 
2009-11-06 10:12:36 AM
hitlersbrain: bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: Oh look, another thread where we all feign outrage for executives, yet no one can articulate why

/besides the fact that they did something with their lives, and you are a fat middle-aged liberal troll who is angry that everyone else isn't as much of a failure as you are
//Oops, did I say that out loud? That's supposed to be the secret

What did they do besides come out of the right vagina? Exactly what skills do these douchebags have that justify their massive rewards from society? Why is their fleet of yachts more important than thousands of dying kids?

Please, explain it to me.

Are you for real, or are you just trying to live up to my description?

Waiting...

I believe I asked you a question, so I'm waiting.

Still awaiting valid response...


If you can't tell me if you are for real or trolling, then I can't properly answer your original question. This isn't hard chief. Are you for real or are you just trying to live up to my description? You can do it...be a big boy
 
2009-11-06 10:13:05 AM
MDGeist
Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

It's the new Y2k!!

If it wasn't for H1N1 being the current media frenzy we'd have nothing but Michael Jackson tributes and Britney Spears' latest redneck faux pas to keep us scared entertained.
 
2009-11-06 10:14:29 AM
make me some tea: BubbaWilkins: make me some tea: I have a feeling that this will be disproven in a Snopes article at some point in the future.

Maybe. Snopes has been on the decline recently as numerous things I've looked up are not in there system. They also seem to shy away from stories that seem counter to the owners political leanings.

Really? Can you provide examples of that?


I stopped reading Snopes about a year ago for the same reason. If you read any political articles from snopes, then you know what I'm talking about. They in no way try to hide their bias. I use factcheck now.

/fewer popup ads too
 
2009-11-06 10:16:02 AM
bushbot111: make me some tea: BubbaWilkins: make me some tea: I have a feeling that this will be disproven in a Snopes article at some point in the future.

Maybe. Snopes has been on the decline recently as numerous things I've looked up are not in there system. They also seem to shy away from stories that seem counter to the owners political leanings.

Really? Can you provide examples of that?

I stopped reading Snopes about a year ago for the same reason. If you read any political articles from snopes, then you know what I'm talking about. They in no way try to hide their bias. I use factcheck now.

/fewer popup ads too


Agreed, FactCheck is really good. I'll still read Snopes but I'll keep a critical eye on it, thanks.
 
2009-11-06 10:16:06 AM
Sooooooo, when are people going to finally storm these companies headquarters and drag these assholes by the hair?
 
2009-11-06 10:16:33 AM
But they're the Best and the Brightest subby! We can't let them get poor people flu!
 
2009-11-06 10:17:34 AM
BitwiseShift: Hard, sweaty, anal/oral, slippery sex?

BitwiseShift: Hard, sweaty, anal/oral, slippery sex?

BitwiseShift: Hard, sweaty, anal/oral, slippery sex?

I like where this thread is
 
2009-11-06 10:18:24 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the first version of the vaccine works horribly.

/Sorry
//I'm not an early adopter
///I usually wait for the hardware to improve with the later versions
 
2009-11-06 10:20:02 AM
BubbaWilkins: make me some tea: I have a feeling that this will be disproven in a Snopes article at some point in the future.

Maybe. Snopes has been on the decline recently as numerous things I've looked up are not in there system. They also seem to shy away from stories that seem counter to the owners politicalleanings.


Conservatives should harness their ESP abilities for good.
 
2009-11-06 10:20:41 AM
CygnusDarius: I wouldn't be surprised if the first version of the vaccine works horribly.

So, you're going to get it next year? That's the ticket.
 
2009-11-06 10:20:52 AM
make me some tea: bushbot111: make me some tea: BubbaWilkins: make me some tea: I have a feeling that this will be disproven in a Snopes article at some point in the future.

Maybe. Snopes has been on the decline recently as numerous things I've looked up are not in there system. They also seem to shy away from stories that seem counter to the owners political leanings.

Really? Can you provide examples of that?

I stopped reading Snopes about a year ago for the same reason. If you read any political articles from snopes, then you know what I'm talking about. They in no way try to hide their bias. I use factcheck now.

/fewer popup ads too

Agreed, FactCheck is really good. I'll still read Snopes but I'll keep a critical eye on it, thanks.


No problem. Yeah I remember when I realized it; it really pissed me off. I mean there are about 10 million sites on the internet that I can get a biased view of something, I just wanted ONE site where I can find out the truth without someone's personal opinions thrown in, and snopes just couldn't resist. Factcheck is pretty good. If politics isn't involved, snopes still has a larger library of urban legends, although the pop up ads really get to me too.
 
2009-11-06 10:21:43 AM
If you ain't Corp, your little people
 
2009-11-06 10:21:47 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Pick up a book on the "Spanish" flu of 1918. It was a variant of H1N1. Good times. I recall one story typical of the infection. 26 year old nurse in good health shows up for work. At noon she is feeling a little under the weather. At 5 pm she is dead.

That was obviously a more aggressive strain, but you get the idea. The flu virus can mutate, and if it mutates closer to where it was then the Reaper will have to take on seasonal helpers.
 
2009-11-06 10:21:49 AM
Swine flu got you down? Just deal with it, like This Hottie (new window) does. This is definetly Safe For Work.
 
2009-11-06 10:25:43 AM
As much as I disagree with this, I would say that there are hundreds of people at these companies, under the age of 24 (straight from the elite liberal colleges/universities), who are working 80-100 hours a week, which would put them at even higher risk for catching swine flu.

So yes, DailyKOS, there are probably hundreds of people in the "high-risk" category. Maybe you should actually check some numbers/know something about these companies before making stupid statements.

/However, I bet it is going to the execs.
 
2009-11-06 10:26:15 AM
Even the terrorists at Gitmo will get it before us.
 
2009-11-06 10:28:56 AM
bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: Oh look, another thread where we all feign outrage for executives, yet no one can articulate why

/besides the fact that they did something with their lives, and you are a fat middle-aged liberal troll who is angry that everyone else isn't as much of a failure as you are
//Oops, did I say that out loud? That's supposed to be the secret

What did they do besides come out of the right vagina? Exactly what skills do these douchebags have that justify their massive rewards from society? Why is their fleet of yachts more important than thousands of dying kids?

Please, explain it to me.

Are you for real, or are you just trying to live up to my description?

Waiting...

I believe I asked you a question, so I'm waiting.

Still awaiting valid response...

If you can't tell me if you are for real or trolling, then I can't properly answer your original question. This isn't hard chief. Are you for real or are you just trying to live up to my description? You can do it...be a big boy


Why should it matter if he's real or trolling. Nobody knows if you're real or trolling either.

Hitlersbrain asked you a question first. You should answer first.

/feeling pedantic today
 
2009-11-06 10:29:18 AM
Better then the Guantanamo prisoners I guess.
 
2009-11-06 10:30:02 AM
The aristocrats!
 
2009-11-06 10:31:29 AM
foo monkey: Germany's Naked Hitler: BenchBucket: Ninja Wicked: TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

I agree with you 100

I see what you.

Accidentally the whole?

Lay off. He fixed it in the second


What is this, I don't even
 
2009-11-06 10:31:44 AM
The Rich will always think of themselves first, before considering anyone else. Which is exactly why they can never be trusted and need constant, intrusive oversight.
 
2009-11-06 10:32:15 AM
someonelse: bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: hitlersbrain: bushbot111: Oh look, another thread where we all feign outrage for executives, yet no one can articulate why

/besides the fact that they did something with their lives, and you are a fat middle-aged liberal troll who is angry that everyone else isn't as much of a failure as you are
//Oops, did I say that out loud? That's supposed to be the secret

What did they do besides come out of the right vagina? Exactly what skills do these douchebags have that justify their massive rewards from society? Why is their fleet of yachts more important than thousands of dying kids?

Please, explain it to me.

Are you for real, or are you just trying to live up to my description?

Waiting...

I believe I asked you a question, so I'm waiting.

Still awaiting valid response...

If you can't tell me if you are for real or trolling, then I can't properly answer your original question. This isn't hard chief. Are you for real or are you just trying to live up to my description? You can do it...be a big boy

Why should it matter if he's real or trolling. Nobody knows if you're real or trolling either.

Hitlersbrain asked you a question first. You should answer first.

/feeling pedantic today


I think we are all waiting for an answer.
 
2009-11-06 10:32:16 AM
billatbills: As much as I disagree with this, I would say that there are hundreds of people at these companies, under the age of 24 (straight from the elite liberal colleges/universities), who are working 80-100 hours a week, which would put them at even higher risk for catching swine flu.

So yes, DailyKOS, there are probably hundreds of people in the "high-risk" category. Maybe you should actually check some numbers/know something about these companies before making stupid statements.

/However, I bet it is going to the execs.


Are these companies in any way accountable for showing that they did give the vaccines to only the high-risk employees, and then returned the rest? Of course not. That's crazy talk.
 
2009-11-06 10:32:29 AM
biggovernment.com
"As the Milwaukee Health Department gears up for its first public swine flu clinic Friday, the beginning of what is expected to be the largest mass vaccination in decades, city officials and metro area health departments say they are facing a shortage of the vaccine."

/I may be a troll, but the gov really farked this up.
 
2009-11-06 10:33:35 AM
fudgefactor7: foo monkey: Germany's Naked Hitler: BenchBucket: Ninja Wicked: TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

I agree with you 100

I see what you.

Accidentally the whole?

Lay off. He fixed it in the second

What is this, I don't even


I'm wearing a bullet proof vest right now, so I'm really getting a
 
2009-11-06 10:34:14 AM
yakmans_dad: CygnusDarius: I wouldn't be surprised if the first version of the vaccine works horribly.

So, you're going to get it next year? That's the ticket.


Well, it's still treatable (to some extent), it's still preventable, and eventually I'll take the vaccine once they understand this disease better.
 
2009-11-06 10:34:48 AM
antoniojvr: "As the Milwaukee Health Department gears up for its first public swine flu clinic Friday, the beginning of what is expected to be the largest mass vaccination in decades, city officials and metro area health departments say they are facing a shortage of the vaccine."

/I may be a troll, but the gov really farked this up.


Much better to get your vaccine through the private sector. I bet that's where you got yours.
 
2009-11-06 10:34:49 AM
In fact, there are lots of smaller businesses where the employees are working 80 hours a week, under plenty of stress, and come in contact with lots of other people in the course of doing their jobs. Can those employees receive vaccines directly through their employers, and avoid the clinic hassle? Of course not. More crazy talk.
 
2009-11-06 10:37:02 AM
We should be glad they're getting the shot, everyone knows it causes Autism.
 
2009-11-06 10:38:54 AM
antoniojvr: /I may be a troll, but the gov really farked this up.

Yeah, it's the guberments job to protect people from the flu. And since they make the vaccine it should have been so simple.
 
2009-11-06 10:38:56 AM
GaryPDX: A picture is worth a 1000 words. Right on.

They may not be HONEST words, but who cares about that...
 
2009-11-06 10:39:18 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Here's the deal:

Every year, without fail migratory birds going over the arctic somehow catch a new version of the Flu. Now influenza viruses are pretty simple and can be more or less decribed by two Genes H and N so nearly every flu can be described as H(1-5) N(1-5). now if either the H or N # is one that's shown up in you or your paren't lifetime, then you already have partial immunity to that flu and your pre-existing anti-bodies can at least knock it down, if not totally wipe it out, while waiting for your body to make new antibodies specific this strain. (thus is last year's flu was H3N5 and this year's his H2N5 almost everyone would have partial immunity to it)

It just so happens that the genetic roulette wheel hasn't stopped on 1 in either the h side or the N side in living memory, (I think the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1917 which killed about 100 million worldwide, may have been the last time the H1N1 combo showed up)

So what this means is NOBODY has even partial immunity to the Swine flu, and that's bad. Flu is a very nasty virus that only seems like a wak one because of our partial immunities. So not only will H1n1 potentially spread quickly, but n the reverrse of what we usally understand about disease, it will make the young and healthy the sickest (we have the strongest immune systems therefore we will have the most powerful immunoresponse, which includes fever and congestion)
 
2009-11-06 10:40:30 AM
NightOwl2255:

Yeah, it's the guberments job to protect people from the flu. And since they make the vaccine it should have been so simple.


Interesting how they don't want big government, but want the benefits of big government...
 
2009-11-06 10:42:08 AM
Magorn: Flu is a very nasty virus that only seems like a wak one because of our partial immunities.

I was following you fine, then you went all rapper on us...
 
2009-11-06 10:42:27 AM
antoniojvr:

/I may be a troll, but the gov really farked this up.

How could they have done things differently?

A mass vaccination for something that has people all riled up like H1N1 was going to be clusterfark no matter what.
 
2009-11-06 10:42:36 AM
pugsleythegreat: DEUS-EX

This is all.


Heh, I was thinking the same thing when a couple of days ago, the Toronto Sun had a headline that said "Vaccine rationing" in big capital letters.

Of course, swine flu isn't quite the grey death, but hey, we'll take what we can get. Now all we need are some augmented soldiers and a romantic French resistance group!
 
2009-11-06 10:42:46 AM
Why do all of you that biatch at socialized medicine have a problem with this?
 
2009-11-06 10:43:07 AM
Yeah, I don't give a lot of weight to the opinion of a person who randomly intermingles upper and lower case letters.
biggovernment.com
 
2009-11-06 10:43:16 AM
antoniojvr: "As the Milwaukee Health Department gears up for its first public swine flu clinic Friday, the beginning of what is expected to be the largest mass vaccination in decades, city officials and metro area health departments say they are facing a shortage of the vaccine."
img: Teabagger with sign "Welcome to Government Health Care!" in front of a line of people.
/I may be a troll, but the gov really farked this up.


ZOMG! People had to wait in LINE!!!11! That's SOcialIST!
 
2009-11-06 10:43:24 AM
antoniojvr: "As the Milwaukee Health Department gears up for its first public swine flu clinic Friday, the beginning of what is expected to be the largest mass vaccination in decades, city officials and metro area health departments say they are facing a shortage of the vaccine."

/I may be a troll, but the gov really farked this up.


I know it's a very subtle distinction, but the pharmaceuticals companies pushing this fake vaccine for the disease their TV networks invented are not, technically, the government.

/I may be a troll, but the corporations really use the government to fark us up on a regular basis.
 
2009-11-06 10:43:43 AM
GaryPDX: antoniojvr: "As the Milwaukee Health Department gears up for its first public swine flu clinic Friday, the beginning of what is expected to be the largest mass vaccination in decades, city officials and metro area health departments say they are facing a shortage of the vaccine."

/I may be a troll, but the gov really farked this up.

A picture is worth a 1000 words. Right on.


One thousand words worth bullshiat, then?.
 
2009-11-06 10:44:12 AM
Ninja Wicked Quote 2009-11-06 09:19:28 AM
TheBitterest:
They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

I agree with you 100


You are both bank on the
 
2009-11-06 10:44:12 AM
Magorn: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Here's the deal:

Every year, without fail migratory birds going over the arctic somehow catch a new version of the Flu. Now influenza viruses are pretty simple and can be more or less decribed by two Genes H and N so nearly every flu can be described as H(1-5) N(1-5). now if either the H or N # is one that's shown up in you or your paren't lifetime, then you already have partial immunity to that flu and your pre-existing anti-bodies can at least knock it down, if not totally wipe it out, while waiting for your body to make new antibodies specific this strain. (thus is last year's flu was H3N5 and this year's his H2N5 almost everyone would have partial immunity to it)

It just so happens that the genetic roulette wheel hasn't stopped on 1 in either the h side or the N side in living memory, (I think the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1917 which killed about 100 million worldwide, may have been the last time the H1N1 combo showed up)

So what this means is NOBODY has even partial immunity to the Swine flu, and that's bad. Flu is a very nasty virus that only seems like a wak one because of our partial immunities. So not only will H1n1 potentially spread quickly, but n the reverrse of what we usally understand about disease, it will make the young and healthy the sickest (we have the strongest immune systems therefore we will have the most powerful immunoresponse, which includes fever and congestion)


So, does all influenza move from birds to people initially? I didn't know that.
 
2009-11-06 10:45:34 AM
Lost Thought 00: Philip J. Fry: bighairyguy: Wow, I actually agree with those commie bastards at Daily Kos on something.

/4th sign of the apocalypse

These type of comments confuse me.

Kos is an open forum. You could go sign up right now and start writing your own diaries and change Kos to be whatever you feel like. And then "one of those commie bastards" could be a BullMoose party supporter or something. They don't seem to drop the banhammer there nearly as often as the right winger sites which do mass bannings for things like supporting Guiliani in the primary.

Except for the fact that they perma-ban any commenters/users who express an opinion anywhere short of far-left


Really? You must have a very interesting definition of "far left" I've been writing there off and on (mostly off these days) since about '05 should and if you search on my username (same as here) you'll see a whole lot of opinion and commentary that wouldn't meet anyone's idea of "far left"
 
2009-11-06 10:45:59 AM
NightOwl2255: Yeah, I don't give a lot of weight to the opinion of a person who randomly intermingles upper and lower case letters.

And appears to be wearing a letter jacket and tapered acid-washed jeans.
 
2009-11-06 10:46:17 AM
someonelse: So, does all influenza move from birds to people initially? I didn't know that.

Of course, that's why it's called the FLU.
 
2009-11-06 10:46:25 AM
As someone whose daughter woke up with a fever, nausea and a sore throat, I am NOT getting a kick out of some of these replies. We were going for the vaccine next week.

For awhile I was all, "This whole media blitz is BS!", but then our friend's son was in the hospital for over a week from secondary pneumonia from H1N1.

zena, I wish your son a speedy recovery.
 
2009-11-06 10:47:42 AM
foo monkey: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

If you're in a high-risk group, it's a big deal. If you're not, it's just a deal.


Im in one of the high risk groups and to me its just a deal
 
2009-11-06 10:48:29 AM
Hmm.

US Census Bureau: Current U.S. Population: 307,872,447
Daily Kos: "32.3 million doses are available, far less than the 159 million needed to cover those at the highest risk."

So, 51.6% of the U.S. population is "at the highest risk"? That's some fine reporting there, Markos.
 
2009-11-06 10:49:22 AM
IXI Jim IXI: Magorn: Flu is a very nasty virus that only seems like a wak one because of our partial immunities.

I was following you fine, then you went all rapper on us...


That should have been Weak, of course. How you all put up with my fat-fingered typing/minor dyslexia I'll never know...
 
2009-11-06 10:52:02 AM
ytterbium:

zena, I wish your son a speedy recovery.


I wish she speeds over to the Fair Lakes Hilton.
 
2009-11-06 10:53:29 AM
spmkk: Hmm.

US Census Bureau: Current U.S. Population: 307,872,447
Daily Kos: "32.3 million doses are available, far less than the 159 million needed to cover those at the highest risk."

So, 51.6% of the U.S. population is "at the highest risk"? That's some fine reporting there, Markos.


I thought that "high risk" category included healthcare workers, teachers, caregivers of children and other high-risk people, etc. That strategy is supposed to minimize the spread of H1N1, not just protect the actual high-risk people.
 
2009-11-06 10:53:45 AM
someonelse: NightOwl2255: Yeah, I don't give a lot of weight to the opinion of a person who randomly intermingles upper and lower case letters.

And appears to be wearing a letter jacket and tapered acid-washed jeans.


I remember when my brother and I tried to make acid-washed jeans in the washing machine. It was not pretty. Who knew Hydrochloric acid could do so much damage.
 
2009-11-06 10:57:13 AM
I have a vaccination against lead poisoning they should have, too.
 
2009-11-06 10:57:56 AM
Keep it up...

blog.nationmultimedia.com
 
2009-11-06 10:58:51 AM
someonelse: Magorn: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Here's the deal:

Every year, without fail migratory birds going over the arctic somehow catch a new version of the Flu. Now influenza viruses are pretty simple and can be more or less decribed by two Genes H and N so nearly every flu can be described as H(1-5) N(1-5). now if either the H or N # is one that's shown up in you or your paren't lifetime, then you already have partial immunity to that flu and your pre-existing anti-bodies can at least knock it down, if not totally wipe it out, while waiting for your body to make new antibodies specific this strain. (thus is last year's flu was H3N5 and this year's his H2N5 almost everyone would have partial immunity to it)

It just so happens that the genetic roulette wheel hasn't stopped on 1 in either the h side or the N side in living memory, (I think the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1917 which killed about 100 million worldwide, may have been the last time the H1N1 combo showed up)

So what this means is NOBODY has even partial immunity to the Swine flu, and that's bad. Flu is a very nasty virus that only seems like a wak one because of our partial immunities. So not only will H1n1 potentially spread quickly, but n the reverrse of what we usally understand about disease, it will make the young and healthy the sickest (we have the strongest immune systems therefore we will have the most powerful immunoresponse, which includes fever and congestion)

So, does all influenza move from birds to people initially? I didn't know that.


Pretty much, and even more specifically it moves from wild migratory birds to domestic fowl, in one very specific region of China every year like clockwork. Whether it stays with the birds and then mutates into a form humans can get, or, as in this one, first mutates into something pigs can get and then into something people (and sometimes birds again) can get, seems to be pure luck of the mutation. However one or the other seems to always be the vector to people. Thus, every new flu starts in China and spreads outwards, which is why the world health groups have all kinds of monitoring protocols in hospitals and doctor's offices in that region, so they get an early warning of what "brand" of flu we'll get each year.
 
2009-11-06 10:59:03 AM
spmkk: Hmm.

US Census Bureau: Current U.S. Population: 307,872,447
Daily Kos: "32.3 million doses are available, far less than the 159 million needed to cover those at the highest risk."

So, 51.6% of the U.S. population is "at the highest risk"? That's some fine reporting there, Markos.


Very poor language skills and fact-finding there, commenter. 90% could be at the highest risk. Nothing wrong with that statement. And two doses, 4 weeks apart, are recommended for children under 10.
 
2009-11-06 11:00:52 AM
someonelse: Magorn: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Here's the deal:

Every year, without fail migratory birds going over the arctic somehow catch a new version of the Flu. Now influenza viruses are pretty simple and can be more or less decribed by two Genes H and N so nearly every flu can be described as H(1-5) N(1-5). now if either the H or N # is one that's shown up in you or your paren't lifetime, then you already have partial immunity to that flu and your pre-existing anti-bodies can at least knock it down, if not totally wipe it out, while waiting for your body to make new antibodies specific this strain. (thus is last year's flu was H3N5 and this year's his H2N5 almost everyone would have partial immunity to it)

It just so happens that the genetic roulette wheel hasn't stopped on 1 in either the h side or the N side in living memory, (I think the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1917 which killed about 100 million worldwide, may have been the last time the H1N1 combo showed up)

So what this means is NOBODY has even partial immunity to the Swine flu, and that's bad. Flu is a very nasty virus that only seems like a wak one because of our partial immunities. So not only will H1n1 potentially spread quickly, but n the reverrse of what we usally understand about disease, it will make the young and healthy the sickest (we have the strongest immune systems therefore we will have the most powerful immunoresponse, which includes fever and congestion)

So, does all influenza move from birds to people initially? I didn't know that.


The chief reservoirs of flu are ducks, swine, and humans.
 
2009-11-06 11:01:50 AM
someonelse
"NightOwl2255: Yeah, I don't give a lot of weight to the opinion of a person who randomly intermingles upper and lower case letters.

And appears to be wearing a letter jacket and tapered acid-washed jeans."



Yes. You should never evaluate the content of the message, you should only judge the messenger.

If someone tells you the emperor isn't wearing any clothes, you should make sure they're dressed like you and their grammar is correct before looking to see if the emperor is naked.
 
2009-11-06 11:02:08 AM
NightOwl2255: Yeah, I don't give a lot of weight to the opinion of a person who randomly intermingles upper and lower case letters.

Don't you know that most great commenters on public policy do so because they lost three games of beer pong?
 
2009-11-06 11:02:27 AM
someonelse: I thought that "high risk" category included healthcare workers, teachers, caregivers of children and other high-risk people, etc.

Quothe the CDC
- Pregnant women
- People who live with or care for children younger than 6 months of age
- Healthcare and emergency medical services personnel
- Persons between the ages of 6 months and 24 years old
- People ages of 25 through 64 years of age who are at higher risk for 2009 H1N1 because of chronic health disorders or compromised immune systems.
 
2009-11-06 11:03:16 AM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

736 hospitalizations and 19 deaths due to H1N1 in Washington state alone. That's the official tally - there may be far more cases, involving folks who can't or won't see a doctor.
 
2009-11-06 11:03:16 AM
Magorn:

Pretty much, and even more specifically it moves from wild migratory birds to domestic fowl, in one very specific region of China every year like clockwork. Whether it stays with the birds and then mutates into a form humans can get, or, as in this one, first mutates into something pigs can get and then into something people (and sometimes birds again) can get, seems to be pure luck of the mutation. However one or the other seems to always be the vector to people. Thus, every new flu starts in China and spreads outwards, which is why the world health groups have all kinds of monitoring protocols in hospitals and doctor's offices in that region, so they get an early warning of what "brand" of flu we'll get each year.


China out-sourced this model to the Mexican pigs.
 
2009-11-06 11:04:50 AM
My company is seeking the vaccine as well, I will be happy when they get it so I can has.
 
2009-11-06 11:07:02 AM
Well, I guess it's better than the aliens that turn you into a Scotsman (new window).
 
2009-11-06 11:10:49 AM
Bag of Hammers: Keep it up...

It is time!
 
2009-11-06 11:13:53 AM
spmkk: someonelse
"NightOwl2255: Yeah, I don't give a lot of weight to the opinion of a person who randomly intermingles upper and lower case letters.

And appears to be wearing a letter jacket and tapered acid-washed jeans."


Yes. You should never evaluate the content of the message, you should only judge the messenger.

If someone tells you the emperor isn't wearing any clothes, you should make sure they're dressed like you and their grammar is correct before looking to see if the emperor is naked.


Yeah, if a drooling, mouth-breathing water head tells me 2+2 equals the moon, I'm not going to pull out a calculator and start doing the math.
 
2009-11-06 11:14:12 AM
ytterbium: As someone whose daughter woke up with a fever, nausea and a sore throat, I am NOT getting a kick out of some of these replies. We were going for the vaccine next week.

For awhile I was all, "This whole media blitz is BS!", but then our friend's son was in the hospital for over a week from secondary pneumonia from H1N1.

zena, I wish your son a speedy recovery.


Thanks. I hope your daughter's case is mild if she does have H1N1.

foo monkey:I wish she speeds over to the Fair Lakes Hilton.

You really want to be exposed to H1N1? ; )
 
2009-11-06 11:14:50 AM
jaytkay
"90% could be at the highest risk. Nothing wrong with that statement."


Wow. Severe prioritization fail.

If you show up at work and your boss gives you a task list with 9 out of 10 items marked "PRIORITY 1", your boss is an idiot. You might very well go and do something in the wrong order -- kind of like giving vaccine doses to Wall St. execs instead of someone who's at higher risk -- because you haven't been given a clear view of what's actually important.
 
2009-11-06 11:18:57 AM
zena: ytterbium: As someone whose daughter woke up with a fever, nausea and a sore throat, I am NOT getting a kick out of some of these replies. We were going for the vaccine next week.

For awhile I was all, "This whole media blitz is BS!", but then our friend's son was in the hospital for over a week from secondary pneumonia from H1N1.

zena, I wish your son a speedy recovery.

Thanks. I hope your daughter's case is mild if she does have H1N1.

foo monkey:I wish she speeds over to the Fair Lakes Hilton.

You really want to be exposed to H1N1? ; )


Leave your kid in another room. We can rub each other down with Purell first.
 
2009-11-06 11:24:15 AM
Magorn: How you all put up with my fat-fingered typing/minor dyslexia I'll never know...

We just take our usual kind-hearted approach and make fun of you for it. :D
 
2009-11-06 11:25:06 AM
I'm technically in the "at high-risk" group being 22 and living on a college campus. But I'm also hale, hearty and young so I don't see a reason why I wouldn't bounce back from this if I caught it. If supplies are so low, I'd rather just skip it so a baby or a mom can get the vaccine.

I'm also not a moron and wash my hands after I touch public stuff, open doors with my elbows or my feet if I can, or cover my hands when I have to turn a handle. Maybe I look paranoid but I'm also one of the few kids I see around here NOT sniffling and NOT coughing.

/knock-on-wood
 
2009-11-06 11:34:36 AM
MDGeist:
Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

The big deal (aside from the, at this point, remote possibility that it will become a 1918 super killer)

IS...

It makes folks who get very sick with it VERY sick. These are a small percentage, but a fairly consistent percentage. And only people over 60 have any resistance (apparently there was an unnoticed, mild, H1N1 in the 50's) so it CAN spread very fast.

So if 10 percent of the population gets it at the same time, the small percentage of those needing full hospitalization for a few weeks to survive will become many times more than we have hospital facilities or resources for.

And THAT's why its a big deal.
 
2009-11-06 11:35:49 AM
Someone say Riot?
artruch.files.wordpress.com
Oh....never mind
 
2009-11-06 11:39:04 AM
GoldDude: Troll, troll, troll your thread...

...gently down to hell!
Merrily, merrily, quite contrarily,
Life has a shiatty smell!
 
2009-11-06 11:39:53 AM
Got my shot 2 Days ago.

/Canadian
 
2009-11-06 11:49:02 AM
Change we can believe in.
 
2009-11-06 11:50:13 AM
Approves

www.design-engine.com
 
2009-11-06 11:52:22 AM
For those that like a few numbers to go with their panic, this is sure to drive you over the edge. Here (new window) are the latest statistics from the CDC including:

- 530 dead due to flu from August 30 to October 24, 2009
- 65 of those are lab confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths

/school system giving H1N1 vaccine to my kids today
//not getting the vaccine and neither is my wife
///not worried and will deal with it when I get sick
////slashies!!
 
2009-11-06 11:53:07 AM
It's both amusing and kinda frightening to see how both the public and the authorities have reacted to this (so far) relatively minor health risk. If anything really serious starts going around that actually kills many people very quickly, I'm barricading myself inside my home with a food supply and firearms to avoid the hysteria that an actual deadly disease would cause. From the hypochondriacs filling up the ERs because they think they're gonna die of the flu to the retards telling us that the flu vaccine kills to the people screeching that if you don't get your kid vaccinated you hate children and want them to die to the govt telling us things that later turn out not to be the case (ie, the amount of vaccine that will be distributed/available at a given time) to the opportunists using the hysteria to enrich themselves, 90% of the population would be goddam worthless at best in the event of an actual, serious health emergency. That shiat scares me more than any disease.
 
2009-11-06 11:53:54 AM
Jacobin: Approves

Always thought it was ironic (I know, I know) that she smoked to prove that she was "hard" and ended up dying of lung cancer.
 
2009-11-06 12:00:16 PM
Techhell: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

1) It has the POTENTIAL to be devastating.
1a) It hasn't been devastating yet.

2) It is a strain which affects younger people more often than older people, as older people (born before 1950) have an immunity to it, having lived through strains much like this.
2a) Old people still get the regular flu and die as much as always.

3) It has a transmission vector which includes not only domestic livestock, but includes domestic companions.
3a) Your mom can give it to me, like she gave me the clap. (Why didn't you warn me? Bastard.)

4) There isn't a presidential election going on.
4a) The media is bored, and needs to sell advertising.

5) Sarah Palin has been rather quiet as of late.
5a) See 4a

6) Glenn Beck has been using a spell checker.
6a) See 5a

7) Keith Olbermann needs new targets for his Worst Person In the World
7a) See 6a

8) Kids have died from H1N1.
8a) White kids have died from H1N1. This invokes Rule 1423, the "Nancy Grace Rule" for media coverage.

9) There's a worldwide financial crisis. Stock markets have crashed, burned, and executives need to keep their 5th vacation home on that little Caribbean island that doesn't have any extradition treaties with anyone. Voters want their governments to pay billions of dollars to keep them safe and healthy. Vaccines can make billions of dollars keeping healthy people (who probably wouldn't dangerously sick if they got H1N1) healthy.
9a) Step 1: Tell media the worst case scenario. (see 3a, cute little pussy is now a THREAT TO ALL YOU HOLD DEAR!) Step 2: (???) Let Media whip viewers into a frenzy over newest fad epipandemicalypsageggedon. Step 3: PROFIT!

/Add to the list at your leisure.


11.)Seasonal flu vaccines + swine flu vaccines = 2(profit)
 
2009-11-06 12:00:50 PM
The flaws in a for-profit medical industry, you see them now.
 
2009-11-06 12:01:26 PM
I guess it balances out. Around here, you have to be a low income/no income waste of resources to get the vaccine. Why vaccinate them when they are just gonna pump out a dozen more welfare claims anyway.

I say let them crash.
 
2009-11-06 12:06:43 PM
While I agree the media hype is ridiculous and you are more likely to die of influenza A than H1N1, I still put my seat belt on every morning and but flight insurance when I travel.

/resume panic
//either get the shot or don't and shut up.
 
2009-11-06 12:08:34 PM
media.comicvine.com

Our top story: everybody panic. Swine 09' will kill us all. In other news swine flu is no more deadly than the regular flu.
 
2009-11-06 12:11:49 PM
spmkk: If you show up at work and your boss gives you a task list with 9 out of 10 items marked "PRIORITY 1", your boss is an idiot.

Say you work for a magazine and your boss tells you 90% of customers have subscriptions expiring this year, and 10% next year. It's time to email/call/mail reminders. Would the 10% be the HIGHEST or LOWEST priority group? Could you answer that?

Take your time.
 
2009-11-06 12:12:19 PM
mod3072: Techhell: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

1) It has the POTENTIAL to be devastating.
1a) It hasn't been devastating yet.

2) It is a strain which affects younger people more often than older people, as older people (born before 1950) have an immunity to it, having lived through strains much like this.
2a) Old people still get the regular flu and die as much as always.

3) It has a transmission vector which includes not only domestic livestock, but includes domestic companions.
3a) Your mom can give it to me, like she gave me the clap. (Why didn't you warn me? Bastard.)

4) There isn't a presidential election going on.
4a) The media is bored, and needs to sell advertising.

5) Sarah Palin has been rather quiet as of late.
5a) See 4a

6) Glenn Beck has been using a spell checker.
6a) See 5a

7) Keith Olbermann needs new targets for his Worst Person In the World
7a) See 6a

8) Kids have died from H1N1.
8a) White kids have died from H1N1. This invokes Rule 1423, the "Nancy Grace Rule" for media coverage.

9) There's a worldwide financial crisis. Stock markets have crashed, burned, and executives need to keep their 5th vacation home on that little Caribbean island that doesn't have any extradition treaties with anyone. Voters want their governments to pay billions of dollars to keep them safe and healthy. Vaccines can make billions of dollars keeping healthy people (who probably wouldn't dangerously sick if they got H1N1) healthy.
9a) Step 1: Tell media the worst case scenario. (see 3a, cute little pussy is now a THREAT TO ALL YOU HOLD DEAR!) Step 2: (???) Let Media whip viewers into a frenzy over newest fad epipandemicalypsageggedon. Step 3: PROFIT!

/Add to the list at your leisure.

11.)Seasonal flu vaccines + swine flu vaccines = 2(profit)


the making of vaccines is such a low-margin business that there's really only one or two companies worldwide left doing it on any scale and both of them are heavily subsidized by governments to stay in business. Nobody in the US is getting rich of the vaccine either. The US government bought up every single dose available to the US at a fixed price and it is giving it away for free.

It's kinda cool that we live in a world where pandemics are so rare that people scoff at even the possibility of one; but trust me, if something like the Spanish Flu hit today, for all our anti-viral drugs and medical technology, I'm betting the final death toll world wide would 500 million to 1 billion worldwide.
 
2009-11-06 12:19:28 PM
ball licking excrement eating tools!

With what they are making, they could probably afford to cover themselves.
 
2009-11-06 12:19:54 PM
I talked to Hitler last night in a seance and he said, "typical."
 
2009-11-06 12:22:05 PM
Lost Thought 00: You f*ck up the economy, you go to the back of the line for health care and basic human rights.

/I guess
//Never understood liberal "logic"


By the sound of it, you've never understood very much in life.
 
2009-11-06 12:30:17 PM
jaytkay
"spmkk: If you show up at work and your boss gives you a task list with 9 out of 10 items marked "PRIORITY 1", your boss is an idiot."

Say you work for a magazine and your boss tells you 90% of customers have subscriptions expiring this year, and 10% next year. It's time to email/call/mail reminders. Would the 10% be the HIGHEST or LOWEST priority group? Could you answer that?

Take your time.



The 10% would be the lowest (did I pass?). Which does NOT mean that the 90% would be the highest.

If you only have the resources to email/call/mail 20% your customers, then your boss had better be able to clarify which 20% you should contact first (in this case, probably based on who is the most likely to renew their subscription if contacted).

If he knows you can only contact 20% but tells you to contact 50%, it is unreasonable to hold you responsible for contacting the wrong 20%.
 
2009-11-06 12:30:35 PM
MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

I thought the same thing until it Farked my whole world up. I've been over the virus for a couple weeks, but it brought on health complications that won't be fixed until mid-January.
 
2009-11-06 12:37:31 PM
pugsleythegreat: DEUS-EX

This is all.


I am both glad that was said and angry that I wasn't the first to do it.
 
2009-11-06 12:51:21 PM
Then give all the vaccines to the homeless and let the rich die off so you can get your tax revenue from the money tree instead.
 
2009-11-06 12:52:04 PM
antoniojvr: I may be a troll, but the gov really farked this up.

Erm, no. Private industry farked this up, failing to manufacture even as much vaccine as was ordered by hospitals. Of course, it's not an unexpected farkup-- vaccines are hard to make, and it takes a long lead time that isn't always the same due to varying growth rates to do it. Honestly, that this EVER works is amazing. The process is roughly:

1. Predict the future
2. Start a 6-month+ manufacturing process based on #1
3. Hope you were right and that flu season doesn't arrive faster than you can finish #2

But to blame this on the government? That's silly. They're hardly even involved in our current system, mostly just issuing warnings and keeping tabs on the numbers.
 
2009-11-06 12:53:44 PM
virtualchoirboy: For those that like a few numbers to go with their panic, this is sure to drive you over the edge. Here (new window) are the latest statistics from the CDC including:

- 530 dead due to flu from August 30 to October 24, 2009
- 65 of those are lab confirmed H1N1 pediatric deaths

/school system giving H1N1 vaccine to my kids today
//not getting the vaccine and neither is my wife
///not worried and will deal with it when I get sick
////slashies!!


It's not the absolute numbers that are the concern. It's the numbers for THIS TIME OF YEAR, when it will probably get much worse.

65 Pediatric deaths you say? How many died between August 1 and November 30 of 2008? ZERO. How many in 2007? THREE. Halfway through the same period, and we have more than an order of magnitude more deaths than the last two years combined.
 
2009-11-06 12:55:00 PM
theoriginalslash:
If anything really serious starts going around that actually kills many people very quickly, I'm barricading myself inside my home with a food supply and firearms to avoid the hysteria that an actual deadly disease would cause. From the hypochondriacs filling up the ERs because they think they're gonna die of the flu to the retards telling us that the flu vaccine kills to the people screeching that if you don't get your kid vaccinated you hate children and want them to die to the govt telling us things that later turn out not to be the case (ie, the amount of vaccine that will be distributed/available at a given time) to the opportunists using the hysteria to enrich themselves, 90% of the population would be goddam worthless at best in the event of an actual, serious health emergency. That shiat scares me more than any disease.

Take comfort... the world is not really FARK
 
2009-11-06 12:57:32 PM
I'm just getting over H1N1. Sure, I felt like dookie for a few days, and still do a bit, but it's no worse than any other flu I've had, and milder than most.
 
2009-11-06 12:57:53 PM
yakmans_dad: "If you guys don't want the vaccine, let it drop already."

You think maybe it's possible the people complaining about the vaccine distribution are *different* than the people who are making fun of the media fear parade?

Or does everyone who disagrees with you on a single topic automatically disagree with you on every topic?

Honestly, I can't tell if the inability to conceptualize anything beyond team-affiliation is a defect of human nature or a symptom of defective humans.
 
2009-11-06 12:59:17 PM
If only the Americans of today had the balls the early Americans had. Back then "tea parties" looked a lot different.
 
2009-11-06 12:59:55 PM
alabasterblack:
...and but flight insurance when I travel.
'buy', I assume, not 'but'

You don't mean that temporary life insurance that pays out if you die in a plane crash, do you?

That stuff is the only thing that makes lotto players look smart.
 
2009-11-06 01:02:50 PM
Kazakhstan is greatest country in the world: If only the Americans of today had the balls the early Americans had. Back then "tea parties" looked a lot different.

What - and dress up like Muslims to hide their identities?
 
2009-11-06 01:05:31 PM
Well on the bright side, Lovely Dearest Beautiful America, when the revolution begins, we all know who will be the first up against the wall and so do they.
 
2009-11-06 01:16:00 PM
Kazakhstan is greatest country in the world: If only the Americans of today had the balls the early Americans had. Back then "tea parties" looked a lot different.

coolest-kid-birthday-parties.shippony.com

No kidding!

/Who wants to sit by Polly Prissypants?
 
2009-11-06 01:23:48 PM
spmkk: someonelse
"NightOwl2255: Yeah, I don't give a lot of weight to the opinion of a person who randomly intermingles upper and lower case letters.

And appears to be wearing a letter jacket and tapered acid-washed jeans."


Yes. You should never evaluate the content of the message, you should only judge the messenger.

If someone tells you the emperor isn't wearing any clothes, you should make sure they're dressed like you and their grammar is correct before looking to see if the emperor is naked.


How about I make sure they are at least semi-coherent and not dressed like an extra from Saved by the Bell?
 
2009-11-06 01:24:39 PM
Well this sucks. My wife has a compromised immune system, and has been told by two of her doctors to get the swine flu vaccine. When we called the last time, they were all out and awaiting a fresh shipment. Seems like she should be getting this before all of those people on Wall Street (unless of course they are also in the high risk category). I guess we'll keep waiting our turn like the peons we are and hope that she doesn't get really sick in the mean time.
 
2009-11-06 01:27:01 PM
ghare: Prank Call of Cthulhu: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is like 0.1%, and H1N1's mortality rate could potentially be triple that. Oh noes!!! That's 0.3%. That's as many as three thousandths. And that's terrible.

Deaths from h1n1 have already matched the normal death rate for the entire flu season. It takes a different vaccine than the normal flu virus.

It is more debilitating than the normal flu.

It is contagious.

It kills children.

You would be a fool not to get it if you are in a high risk group.


http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#MS

Yay real data!
 
2009-11-06 01:48:10 PM
Ashelth:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#MS

Yay real data!


Give it a few hours. They update every Friday, sometime between now and about 7pm. Then we'll know through Halloween.
 
2009-11-06 03:09:00 PM
theoriginalslash: It's both amusing and kinda frightening to see how both the public and the authorities have reacted to this (so far) relatively minor health risk. If anything really serious starts going around that actually kills many people very quickly, I'm barricading myself inside my home with a food supply and firearms to avoid the hysteria that an actual deadly disease would cause. From the hypochondriacs filling up the ERs because they think they're gonna die of the flu to the retards telling us that the flu vaccine kills to the people screeching that if you don't get your kid vaccinated you hate children and want them to die to the govt telling us things that later turn out not to be the case (ie, the amount of vaccine that will be distributed/available at a given time) to the opportunists using the hysteria to enrich themselves, 90% of the population would be goddam worthless at best in the event of an actual, serious health emergency. That shiat scares me more than any disease.
 
2009-11-06 03:10:59 PM
^ THIS!
 
2009-11-06 03:22:34 PM
antoniojvr:

/I may be a troll, but the gov really farked this up.



I don't think it's wrong to make an ad hominem attaack on that dude. It's not like he typed too fast and made a few mistakes on a fark post. His moranic ass couldn't be bothered to make a good sign (health care) plus he looks like a tool bag. I think one can draw the correct conclusion that both the message and the messenger are crap.
 
2009-11-06 03:23:50 PM
attack, hah nice.
 
2009-11-06 03:23:56 PM
You don't wait for a tornado to reduce a town or two to slabs before acting. If you see a farking huge super-cell developing, you go ahead and warn people that tornadoes might form, and they might even be big. Just because there is an F1 or F2 tornado every year in your county doesn't mean that the weather service is full of shiat when it says, "Hey - that looks awfully dangerous. It might be an F3 or even an F4."

And what's going on NOW is to say, "Yeah, I know that it's .5 miles wide, but it's only just landed and it's only just leveled two houses. Don't panic and go running for the tornado shelter until we see how far it moves. It might go away."

Ho can you look at the death rate, look at the rate in previous years, and conclude there's nothing to be concerned about? Seriously: tell me how many people need to die and by when before I can irritate you by mentioning it again. Let me know. Would 5000 by end of November be good enough? 10,000 by Christmas? Or should I wait until 30,000 died by President's Day only to be biatched at for not warning you to get your vaccine? Give me a number and a date so I can spare your sensibilities.
 
2009-11-06 03:28:36 PM
What Wall Street might think like.

img217.imageshack.us
 
2009-11-06 03:40:29 PM
That Jenny McCarthy must be in a real pickle.
 
2009-11-06 04:37:26 PM
MDGeist:
Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

H1N1 is the same virus that caused the "Spanish Flu" in 1918 and a while after. It killed as many as 100 million people, or about one of every THREE people who caught it. It also, unlike most viruses, tended to kill younger, healthier people, rather than the elderly and sickly.

Also, the pattern was the same... a year or two of low infection rates, with high death rates, and then the virus mutated into one spread easily, and it was on like Donkey Kong. Considering things like increased population, increased population density, and increased amounts of world travel, if H1N1 does what it did last time, the death toll could be a BILLION people. Ouch.
 
2009-11-06 04:47:06 PM
stucka:
Prank Call of Cthulhu: MDGeist: Could some one please explain to me why this H1N1 thing is such a big deal?

Because the mortality rate for seasonal flu is like 0.1%, and H1N1's mortality rate could potentially be triple that. Oh noes!!! That's 0.3%. That's as many as three thousandths. And that's terrible.

I admire any thread that gets a guy named Cthulhu replying to a guy from Ipswich, Mass.

Meh, I went and looked this up. The Spanish Flu INFECTED one of three people on the planet, and killed 10% of those who caught it, not a third, as I said above. My bad. But, you're still off by a factor of thirty. 10% fatality, not 0.3%
 
2009-11-06 04:48:06 PM
My goddaughter has swine flu. You can imagine I am highly displeased.

/was Obvious tag out drinking with Fail tag?
 
2009-11-06 05:29:12 PM
Magorn: Pretty much, and even more specifically it moves from wild migratory birds to domestic fowl, in one very specific region of China every year like clockwork. Whether it stays with the birds and then mutates into a form humans can get, or, as in this one, first mutates into something pigs can get and then into something people (and sometimes birds again) can get, seems to be pure luck of the mutation. However one or the other seems to always be the vector to people. Thus, every new flu starts in China and spreads outwards, which is why the world health groups have all kinds of monitoring protocols in hospitals and doctor's offices in that region, so they get an early warning of what "brand" of flu we'll get each year.

So what you're saying is that if we nuke China into a glowing crater, we'll have (eventually) cured the flu forever? Maybe even plan to do it seasonally after doing some studies to make sure you wipe out whatever population of birds it is that's transmitting it.

You're on to something here...

I wonder if viruses aren't some kind of bird biological warfare. They all go "migrate" down to their weapons lab in the south and breed up something nasty for us, then go drop it off in the middle of where humanity is the most dense. How diabolical. BIIIIIIRRRRRDS!!!!
 
2009-11-06 06:17:42 PM
Dictatorial_Flair: So what you're saying is that if we nuke China into a glowing crater, we'll have (eventually) cured the flu forever? Maybe even plan to do it seasonally after doing some studies to make sure you wipe out whatever population of birds it is that's transmitting it.

You're on to something here...

I wonder if viruses aren't some kind of bird biological warfare. They all go "migrate" down to their weapons lab in the south and breed up something nasty for us, then go drop it off in the middle of where humanity is the most dense. How diabolical. BIIIIIIRRRRRDS!!!!


but what if nuking that area actually mutates the flu further into a super-nuclear-zombie-flu that ultimately brings about the zombie apocolypse? you can't take chances like that, especially with the population of places like china, india, and japan. it says right here in my Big Book of All Things Zombie, by uprislng, that super-nuclear-zombies can travel under water indefinitely, meaning our only escape would be outer space, and I don't have my moon-base rocket completed yet.
 
2009-11-06 06:35:17 PM
uprislng: Dictatorial_Flair: So what you're saying is that if we nuke China into a glowing crater, we'll have (eventually) cured the flu forever? Maybe even plan to do it seasonally after doing some studies to make sure you wipe out whatever population of birds it is that's transmitting it.

You're on to something here...

I wonder if viruses aren't some kind of bird biological warfare. They all go "migrate" down to their weapons lab in the south and breed up something nasty for us, then go drop it off in the middle of where humanity is the most dense. How diabolical. BIIIIIIRRRRRDS!!!!

but what if nuking that area actually mutates the flu further into a super-nuclear-zombie-flu that ultimately brings about the zombie apocolypse? you can't take chances like that, especially with the population of places like china, india, and japan. it says right here in my Big Book of All Things Zombie, by uprislng, that super-nuclear-zombies can travel under water indefinitely, meaning our only escape would be outer space, and I don't have my moon-base rocket completed yet.


Then that would be awesome, though it seems unlikely. I don't think viruses generally withstand being blasted with amounts of radiation that will kill their hosts in a matter of days. Viruses aren't THAT sturdy, you can kill basically all of them with bleach if they're not in a body. If I'm recalling correctly, ionizing radiation causes double-strand breaks in DNA, and that's practically all viruses are so I don't see why many would "survive."
 
2009-11-06 06:37:59 PM
I'm getting a kick out of this since I am signed up to get it through work next week. A friend of mine is bitter he is not getting the shot.

/Why yes, I do work for a German company and he works for an Israeli company. Why do you ask?
 
2009-11-06 07:20:58 PM
Got mine today. Nice and easy. Then I learned some science, had gay sex, performed an abortion, married a turtle, and smoked some reefer. fark you Glenn Beck!

/Okay, I only actually did three of these things. Including getting the vaccine.
 
2009-11-06 07:28:45 PM
RE OhioKnight 2009-11-06 12:55:00 PM
"Take comfort... the world is not really FARK"

Parts of it are.
 
2009-11-06 11:24:04 PM
garulee 2009-11-06 10:33:35 AM
fudgefactor7: foo monkey: Germany's Naked Hitler: BenchBucket: Ninja Wicked: TheBitterest: They'd be better off spending their money on bullet-proof.

I agree with you 100

I see what you.

Accidentally the whole?

Lay off. He fixed it in the second

What is this, I don't even

I'm wearing a bullet proof vest right now, so I'm really getting a


Oh what the fark, I might as well add my
 
2009-11-07 03:01:12 AM
The rich always get the best medical care. Period. It's the middle class that gets the shaft.
 
2009-11-07 04:49:36 PM
Makh: Not only is the injection completely safe, afterwards you won't need to carry around your passport or credit cards anymore. It's true.


Other than a foreign visitor, who would normally carry around a passport? Perhaps you're referring to a national ID card, which many countries require every adult citizen to carry, but in the U.S. (and I believe in the U.K., Canada, Australia, Ireland, and New Zealand) citizens are not required to carry around a national ID card, so that's an odd joke to make on an English language forum.
 
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