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2009-11-05 04:03:14 PM
Is it a bunch of Jews? I heard it's a bunch of Jews...
 
2009-11-05 04:03:15 PM
what_now: Thanks for the responses guys...I guess there really is no security?

Unfortunately, security only increases after an incident. But very likely they got on base legitimately.
 
2009-11-05 04:03:15 PM
Okay, maybe this makes me an a-hole, and I'm terribly sorry for the loss and my heart goes out to the victims and their families...

...and we really don't know much about what happened yet, so everything is speculation...

... but how many articles have we seen over the last few years detailing the basic mental health, education, criminal history and other background guidelines that have been relaxed so recruiters can meet goals?

I guess, what I'm saying, is that this doesn't surprise me. Saddens me, but doesn't surprise me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15197832/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/28/eveningnews/main3107316.shtml
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/06/local/me-marine-autism6
 
2009-11-05 04:03:21 PM
Oh dear lord...this will bring Dubya out of hiding here in Dallas.
 
2009-11-05 04:03:31 PM
nekom: Perhaps, but trying to think like a terrorist here, if you want to blow up U.S. troops it'd be far easier to do so in Iraq or Afghanistan.

That may be, but it'd be a MUCH bigger impact to do it in the US, where they think they're safe. Same reason if you're a terrorist, the next big attack should be on some nowhere small town so everyone shiats their collective shorts.

My wild speculation is a lone nut who snapped, as happens from time to time unfortunately.

...though in the realm of reality rather than cool thriller novels, I'm gonna have to agree with you here. I just entered the thread so haven't caught up with the latest but I wonder if the "multiple shooters" aren't also including people who were trying to fight back at the original guy.
 
2009-11-05 04:03:33 PM
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: F*ck.

My heart goes out to my brothers and sisters in arms.

/Army Vet
//Got discharged (honorably) at Fort Hood




Wow...really? Golly-Gee, thank you soooooooo much for your service to our country. You're awesome.

farkin' tool.
 
2009-11-05 04:03:37 PM
what_now: Thanks for the responses guys...I guess there really is no security?

People get killed in prison every day. Security is an illusion.
 
2009-11-05 04:03:39 PM
You would have thought all those red state guys would have all their guns with them. Fat lot of good that did.
 
2009-11-05 04:03:43 PM
I think the FBI needs to pay a visit to the Westboro "Soldiers Die, God Laughs" Baptist freakazoids.

/if for nothing else than to simply scare the crap out of them.
 
2009-11-05 04:03:45 PM
The PD feed seems to confirm at least one still on the loose
 
2009-11-05 04:03:46 PM
EchoDork: Remember, Republicans: Having an armed populace prevents violence. Right? RIGHT?

I thought this wouldn't happen if citizens were permitted to carry.


Because an armed society is a polite society.
 
2009-11-05 04:03:49 PM
Lando Lincoln: Tea_tempest_Cup: /Remember kids: Don't stick it in the crazy

If I never did that, then I'd be a virgin.


Well, now that you're not a virgin, there's less need for you to be sticking it in the crazy.
 
2009-11-05 04:03:53 PM
Jim DiGriz: Any soldiers in training would probably have training immediately stopped, have ammo confiscated, and would be sequestered in a "safe area" until the situation is over

really? So "Oh no! we're under attack! everybody HIDE!"

Kind of Ironic for a military base, isn't it?
 
2009-11-05 04:03:55 PM
Sounds like terrorists to me.
 
2009-11-05 04:04:00 PM
Stryyder: ghare: I thought Texas had lots of guns and concealed carry and all that, and therefore wouldn't have incidents like this.

What went wrong?

Read the thread dickwad.


Sarcasm. Learn it, you chode.
 
2009-11-05 04:04:02 PM
what_now: How do you get on an Army base if you aren't in the Army?

/real question


Doesn't really require much. You need to fill out a visitor's pass, and anyone can get on a post. Driver's license, usually, is all you need, for most bases. Some posts require you to be on a "visitor's list" and be sponsored to get in. Hood is not one of those posts.

Also, you have a huge number of civilians who work on the base.
 
2009-11-05 04:04:08 PM
what_now : Thanks for the responses guys...I guess there really is no security?

No. There is security. Fort Hood is a huge post. There are several gates. There are MPs (or the rent-a-cops) at every gate. You have to have the decal and an ID. If you don't, you go through a screening process at the visitor's center. It's secure.
 
2009-11-05 04:04:10 PM
ghare: I thought Texas had lots of guns and concealed carry and all that, and therefore wouldn't have incidents like this.

What went wrong?


Were you born retarded or was it a head injury?
 
2009-11-05 04:04:11 PM
ghare: I thought Texas had lots of guns and concealed carry and all that, and therefore wouldn't have incidents like this.

What went wrong?


i41.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-05 04:04:12 PM
why is MSNBC constantly showing the bottom of a helicopter?!?
 
2009-11-05 04:04:17 PM
Reynald: Use the amnesty box next time, dick

Hey, that's what I wanted to do. My Sgt didn't want to take a chance. I was just following orders. :P
 
2009-11-05 04:04:24 PM
Report is that one of the shooters is in custody. If it was Jihadists I doubt they would have someone in custody, they would have a body. Those guys don't usually give up.
 
2009-11-05 04:04:30 PM
Contrabulous Flabtraption: Just a publicity stunt for CoD:MW2

OK, now that is farked up. And it made me LOL.

How much worse could it have been if they were running their own server??
 
2009-11-05 04:04:43 PM
DFWPhotoGuy: Damn, that sucks. Also as a fyi never EVER EVER EVER hook up with a girl from the Killeen area.

Hotdog Hallway etc. Its a right of passage to bump nastys with the locals.


Yeah - I learned that lesson the hard way from "Jade" at Dreamstreet. I thought it was the greatest place in the world. Bring your own booze, take your pick of the fully naked women, and then have batshiat crazy sex all night long. They never put anything in the brochure about your cawk feeling like it was going to burn off the next day.
 
2009-11-05 04:04:45 PM
I have a feeling we're going to be getting searched much more thou thoroughly at FT Sam tomorrow.
 
2009-11-05 04:04:46 PM
I don't support what these dirtbags did, but in terms of the prospect of the 2nd Amendment being irrelevant on the basis that domestic insurgency couldn't compete w/ our modern military...

3 attackers. 7 dead, 12 injured on a military base? Is there some clown out there who wants to post a pic of a helicopter along with some garbage about "your hunting rifle is useless against the US army HURRRR"?

// assuming of course these 3 shiatheads are American citizens and not Islamic terrorists...
 
2009-11-05 04:04:48 PM
Multiple Shootings at Fort Hood
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 11:53 AM PST Updated: Nov 05, 2009 12:57 PM PST

KCEN has confirmed a mass shooting on Fort Hood in Killeen.

There are now reports of a third shooter who has opened fire on Fort Hood. One policeman is down.

So far there are 7 people reported dead, and 20 wounded.

There are also reports of two different crime scenes: the SPC and Howve Theater on Battalion Ave.

One person is in custody.

Police surrounded the 42006 building, said to be used for traumatic brain injuries, on Fort Hood and fired shots at a male suspect in an Army uniform with a Major rank. The suspect was injured, but has now run in to another building.

Reports say the shooter had a high-powered rifle and was aiming to kill.

Killeen ISD says all Fort Hood schools are on lockdown.

Temple ISD is on a "soft" lockdown. Parents will be able to pick their children up at the normal times, though they may experience delays.

Tune in to KCEN 9 News for the latest developments on this breaking news story.
 
2009-11-05 04:04:48 PM
From centraltexasnow.com:

Police surrounded the 42006 building, said to be used for traumatic brain injuries, on Fort Hood and fired shots at a male suspect in an Army uniform with a Major rank.

(emphasis mine)

Wow, that makes it even more interesting.
 
2009-11-05 04:04:58 PM
punchaprep:
i just talked to my buddy there. He's alright he said for the first time ever he's happy he's on KP


If you speak with him again, ask him if he knows PFC Sarver and if he is OK.
 
2009-11-05 04:04:58 PM
Marla Singer's Laundry: FilmBELOH20: Marla Singer's Laundry: If this wasn't a God-hating gun-free zone, this wouldn't have happened!


(how was that?)

Actually, when soldiers come in from the field, they have to take the firearms to the armorer and lock them up. Soldiers in barracks are not allowed privately owned firearms, so, basically, you are correct - it is a gun free zone. You may now join SUBMITTARD on the short bus.

Are you drinking lead out of a bucket? IT'S A JOKE.


Are all gun-nuts this obtuse?


farm3.static.flickr.com

You understand me? Catching my drift?... Or am I being obtuse?
 
2009-11-05 04:05:07 PM
MorganGuard: Don't appreciate submitter's attempt at humor ... armed forces members likely the victims. There's no humor in their loss whether it involves domestic fatalities or overseas.

But we're allowed to find humor in it they're not armed forces members, right? RIGHT?
 
2009-11-05 04:05:10 PM
ne2d: Whoever submitted this thread (new window), I hope you're happy.

yeah i came in here to say the same thing.
 
2009-11-05 04:05:26 PM
gorgor: http://tinyurl.com/yzkbs6w

I was wondering when you were going to come.

/Yeah dirty sounds don't care.
 
2009-11-05 04:05:28 PM
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Time to water the tree!
 
2009-11-05 04:05:29 PM
Don't be surprised if they end up telling us these guys are Iranian special ops guys, followed by the attack they've been staging...
 
2009-11-05 04:05:35 PM
timmy_the_tooth: Having been in the Army, I'm going with infidelity.

Or gangs.
 
2009-11-05 04:05:40 PM
Stryyder: Jonesy Boogieman: CNN
At least seven people are dead and as many as 20 are wounded, CNN affiliate KXXV reported, citing a Fort Hood spokesman. One person is in custody in connection with the incident, it said.

One attacker has been "neutralized" and one has been "cornered," Lt. Gen Russel Honore, former deputy commander at Fort Hood, told CNN.

So Jihadist over the mexico border hitting a relatively soft target hoping the PR aspect of shooting up an army base is my guess...


I'm not familiar with Ft. Hood's location regarding the border, but you reminded me of a skit that, IIRC, was about terrorists being catapulted over the border into the US from Mexico with AK-47's. Anyways, I hope your guess isn't correct! If they could pull that off, they could do worse!
 
2009-11-05 04:05:46 PM
jpbreon: demonfaerie: AirForceVet: OK, let's round up the usual suspects for this tragedy. Votes anyone?

(A) Disgruntled Army soldiers;
(B) Domestic terrorists;
(C) Foreign terrorists; or
(D) Military dependents?

I am going to go with A. There has been a lot of media about how the military isn't taking care soldiers with ptsd or watching out for signs it or just finding excuses to kick them out. Think I saw it on Dateline or 20/20.

Agreed. If this is a PTSD event, there will be questions. PTSD is the under reported injury of this war.


Someone with PTSD would probably be acting alone. Two or three usually indicates something else. But even if is an Army Columbine or worse, this will be spun against Obama for some stupid reason or other.
 
2009-11-05 04:05:53 PM
Balder333: Know what pisses me off? The BBC has the best details I've seen so far on this incident.


"the gunfire had erupted during a graduation ceremony"
"two suspects were in military uniform and that the shooter-at-large was believed to have a high-powered sniper rifle"


Or the BBC is simply embellishing the tale based on rumors. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
2009-11-05 04:05:55 PM
CitizenTed: I think the FBI needs to pay a visit to the Westboro "Soldiers Die, God Laughs" Baptist freakazoids.

/if for nothing else than to simply scare the crap out of them.


THIS.
 
2009-11-05 04:06:09 PM
The PD feed seems to confirm at least one still on the loose. Also, All the PD sound like they're all going to Wal-Mart or the mall.

MSNBC reporting 7 dead 20 wounded
 
2009-11-05 04:06:26 PM
msnbcmedia2.msn.com= content.ytmnd.com?
 
2009-11-05 04:06:39 PM
demonfaerie: Yes either by soldiers to afraid to go get help or the military trying to deny it cause it will show how messed up the war is. Usually the reason why soldiers are proud to get help is probably cause they know what the military thinks of it, and probably seen friends get screwed over.

This is something I could debate at length, but the short story is the Army is seriously trying to get better about PTSD. But it's a major cultural change, and isn't going as fast as anyone would like.
 
2009-11-05 04:06:48 PM
Link (new window)
 
2009-11-05 04:06:52 PM
I just got off the phone with my youngest. He had just left the building where the shooting occurred right before it happened. He's now on guard duty at the barracks. He says there's a lot of rumors, but nobody really knows what happened.
 
2009-11-05 04:06:56 PM
Live by the sword...
 
2009-11-05 04:06:59 PM
I blame Obama
 
2009-11-05 04:07:16 PM
Marla Singer's Laundry: FilmBELOH20: Marla Singer's Laundry: If this wasn't a God-hating gun-free zone, this wouldn't have happened!


(how was that?)

Actually, when soldiers come in from the field, they have to take the firearms to the armorer and lock them up. Soldiers in barracks are not allowed privately owned firearms, so, basically, you are correct - it is a gun free zone. You may now join SUBMITTARD on the short bus.

Are you drinking lead out of a bucket? IT'S A JOKE.


Are all gun-nuts this obtuse?


Some people have no sense of humor when it comes to their personal passions. Some of them would have no problem making a comment about using a gun to resolve something and then saying people are overreacting if they don't take it as a joke.
 
2009-11-05 04:07:22 PM
CraicBaby: From centraltexasnow.com:

Police surrounded the 42006 building, said to be used for traumatic brain injuries, on Fort Hood and fired shots at a male suspect in an Army uniform with a Major rank.

(emphasis mine)

Wow, that makes it even more interesting.


Old King Cole was a merry old soul,
a merry old soul was he.
He called for his pipe and he called for his bowl and he called for his Majors three.
I need a bigger desk said the major...
 
2009-11-05 04:07:27 PM
ravenlore: MSNBC reporting TWO shooters still on the loose at Fort Hood


new high score coming
 
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