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2009-11-05 03:53:20 PM
Strolpol: Let's see how fast this is turned into political fodder both for and against Obama.

Not as quickly as it turned into a demonstration of how above it all people are. But, hey, it's Fark, that excuses everything all the time.
 
2009-11-05 03:53:31 PM
I'll bet the shooter was enlisted and not an officer because the enlisted ones are teh dumb, impulsive ones. Right Ozaru?
 
2009-11-05 03:53:38 PM
There's a special place in hell (if it exists) reserved for subby.

/Farking stupid civilians
//It ain't like they're walking around everywhere on post under arms
 
2009-11-05 03:53:42 PM
My money's on ambassadors of the Religion of Peace®
 
2009-11-05 03:53:44 PM
The incident took place at the sports dome, now known as the soldier readiness area, the station reported.

This factoid says something; I'm just not sure what.
 
2009-11-05 03:53:52 PM
FilmBELOH20: Marla Singer's Laundry: If this wasn't a God-hating gun-free zone, this wouldn't have happened!


(how was that?)

Actually, when soldiers come in from the field, they have to take the firearms to the armorer and lock them up. Soldiers in barracks are not allowed privately owned firearms, so, basically, you are correct - it is a gun free zone. You may now join SUBMITTARD on the short bus.


Are you drinking lead out of a bucket? IT'S A JOKE.


Are all gun-nuts this obtuse?
 
2009-11-05 03:53:56 PM
Reynald: whoever this was had to not only show ID at the gate, but have DoD decals on their car to get in without a vehicle search. My guess not terrorists but disaffected soldiers (fwiw). Ft Hood was my last duty station a year ago, so this hits close to home.

When I was at Hood - granted it was '93 - the main gate didn't have security - you could just drive on. Has that changed? Plus, there are any number of ways to get on post without using the gate. It's kind of a big place if I remember right. Hell - a guy could take a boat from one side of lake Belton (IIRC) and be over at the MWR docks inside of 10 minutes, no?
 
2009-11-05 03:54:02 PM
alywa: So, who wants to guess what the top motive speculations will be? I'm not touching it.

Depends on what station you are listening too.

CNN: PTSD, which is what you will have if you watch CNN's coverage.
MSNBC: Rush Limbaugh's rant and neo-cons and their war on libs.
FOX: Terrorist and probably more terrorist. OMG IT's OBAMA'S 9/11!!!!
 
2009-11-05 03:54:05 PM
CelebrityPharmacist: Kileen TX, sound familiar for another crime, what was it?

Luby's cafeteria shooting sometime in the 80's.
 
2009-11-05 03:54:13 PM
VideSupra: Jamespoon: Right now they're celebrating Guy Fawkes Night in England, aren't they?

Contrary to what the movie 'V' would have you believe - Guy Fawkers day celebrates his getting caught and killed for treason. Not his attempts to overthrow government.


Was Guy Fawkes a lizard person?
 
2009-11-05 03:54:20 PM
Don't appreciate submitter's attempt at humor ... armed forces members likely the victims. There's no humor in their loss whether it involves domestic fatalities or overseas.
 
2009-11-05 03:54:20 PM
Jonesy Boogieman: CNN One attacker has been "neutralized" and one has been "cornered," Lt. Gen Russel Honore, former deputy commander at Fort Hood, told CNN.

Read this to the people I work with.

One woman said, "Neutralized"? So they shot off his balls?"
 
2009-11-05 03:54:40 PM
Marla Singer's Laundry: Internet Twaddle-Pump

Heh.

I love you.
 
2009-11-05 03:54:48 PM
State-issued concealed handgun permits are not authorized on federal land. The ONLY people with weapons (and ammo) on base are these criminals and law enforcement. So subby you're an idiot.
 
2009-11-05 03:54:54 PM
Strolpol: Let's see how fast this is turned into political fodder both for and against Obama.

To late.

wtfisthat: Remember the 5th of November!

God I hope not.
 
2009-11-05 03:55:00 PM
Marla Singer's Laundry: Are you drinking lead out of a bucket? IT'S A JOKE.


Are all gun-nuts this obtuse?


If they are, or have been in the military... yes.
 
2009-11-05 03:55:04 PM
I bet it's a muslim or two.
 
2009-11-05 03:55:07 PM
Guy Fawkes?
/OK, I dont even know who that is
//Isnt this how Fox News does it?
 
2009-11-05 03:55:09 PM
Marla Singer's Laundry: FilmBELOH20: Marla Singer's Laundry: If this wasn't a God-hating gun-free zone, this wouldn't have happened!


(how was that?)

Actually, when soldiers come in from the field, they have to take the firearms to the armorer and lock them up. Soldiers in barracks are not allowed privately owned firearms, so, basically, you are correct - it is a gun free zone. You may now join SUBMITTARD on the short bus.

Are you drinking lead out of a bucket? IT'S A JOKE.


Are all gun-nuts this obtuse?


THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT "OBTUSE" IN THE CONSTITUTION
 
2009-11-05 03:55:11 PM
Goddamnit so much. :(

It's not enough that so many soldiers from Fort Hood have died in war, we have to have this shiat, for the umpteenth time at Fort Hoodlum. That place is truly one of the world's greatest shiatholes.
 
2009-11-05 03:55:20 PM
VideSupra: Jamespoon: Right now they're celebrating Guy Fawkes Night in England, aren't they?

Contrary to what the movie 'V' would have you believe - Guy Fawkers day celebrates his getting caught and killed for treason. Not his attempts to overthrow government.


That's why they would be celebrating this evening, I presume.
 
2009-11-05 03:55:32 PM
One of my closest friends is stationed there. His phone is off and I'm worried for him and his friends there.

/fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
 
2009-11-05 03:55:33 PM
Observatory: This is close to Killeen,TX......where a few years ago some crazed Republican drove his vehicle into a McDonalds and opened fire, killing scores of people. What year was that? FARK Texas.

It was in the early 90s, and it was Luby's Cafeteria, and you know he was a Republican how, exactly? Fkn idiot...
 
2009-11-05 03:55:36 PM
AirForceVet: OK, let's round up the usual suspects for this tragedy. Votes anyone?

(A) Disgruntled Army soldiers;
(B) Domestic terrorists;
(C) Foreign terrorists; or
(D) Military dependents?


I am going to go with A. There has been a lot of media about how the military isn't taking care soldiers with ptsd or watching out for signs it or just finding excuses to kick them out. Think I saw it on Dateline or 20/20.
 
2009-11-05 03:55:37 PM
AirForceVet: OK, let's round up the usual suspects for this tragedy. Votes anyone?

(A) Disgruntled Army soldiers;
(B) Domestic terrorists;
(C) Foreign terrorists; or
(D) Military dependents?


I'd vote (C) on this one. They just had that one retard in Dallas thinking he was blowing up a building. Three shooters is a cell, me thinks.
 
2009-11-05 03:55:40 PM
Really sad, was just talking to a coworker at lunch about his first job at Ft. Hood.

How 2 or more people get access to M16s will be interesting to find out...
 
2009-11-05 03:55:45 PM
How do you get on an Army base if you aren't in the Army?

/real question
 
2009-11-05 03:55:51 PM
It's OK, the Bush twins are just out on another bender.
 
2009-11-05 03:56:16 PM
FilmBELOH20: Reynald: whoever this was had to not only show ID at the gate, but have DoD decals on their car to get in without a vehicle search. My guess not terrorists but disaffected soldiers (fwiw). Ft Hood was my last duty station a year ago, so this hits close to home.

When I was at Hood - granted it was '93 - the main gate didn't have security - you could just drive on. Has that changed? Plus, there are any number of ways to get on post without using the gate. It's kind of a big place if I remember right. Hell - a guy could take a boat from one side of lake Belton (IIRC) and be over at the MWR docks inside of 10 minutes, no?


Yeah, its much better now as far as the main gates are concerned. But you are right about the size and potential boundaries. Still though, I doubt these guys walked in from the training area side and onto main post to do this. I think they were soldiers and just drove in like it was any other day.
 
2009-11-05 03:56:32 PM
gardenfreshtomatoes: CelebrityPharmacist: Kileen TX, sound familiar for another crime, what was it?

Luby's cafeteria shooting sometime in the 80's.


1991, actually.
 
2009-11-05 03:56:33 PM
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and you all laughed at his anti-terrorism-rock.
 
2009-11-05 03:56:48 PM
Marla Singer's Laundry: FilmBELOH20: Marla Singer's Laundry: If this wasn't a God-hating gun-free zone, this wouldn't have happened!


(how was that?)

Actually, when soldiers come in from the field, they have to take the firearms to the armorer and lock them up. Soldiers in barracks are not allowed privately owned firearms, so, basically, you are correct - it is a gun free zone. You may now join SUBMITTARD on the short bus.

Are you drinking lead out of a bucket? IT'S A JOKE.


Are all gun-nuts this obtuse?


Nah...I'm a gun nut and I got the joke.
 
2009-11-05 03:56:54 PM
AirForceVet: OK, let's round up the usual suspects for this tragedy. Votes anyone?

(A) Disgruntled Army soldiers;
(B) Domestic terrorists;
(C) Foreign terrorists; or
(D) Military dependents?


E) Mexican drug lords.
 
2009-11-05 03:57:04 PM
MorganGuard: Don't appreciate submitter's attempt at humor ... armed forces members likely the victims. There's no humor in their loss whether it involves domestic fatalities or overseas.

Welcome to Fark, go cry some more.
 
2009-11-05 03:57:05 PM
FilmBELOH20: When I was at Hood - granted it was '93 - the main gate didn't have security - you could just drive on. Has that changed?

I assure you it did... probably around 8:30 AM local time on September 11th, 2001.

SRP area? You're not armed when you SRP. You're doing stuff like filling out paperwork and getting shots. I won't speculate on this any further...
 
2009-11-05 03:57:08 PM
The Dread Pirate Robertson: One shooter? PTSD.
Two shooters? Conspiracy.
Three shooters? This is going to get much nastier before it's over.

/pulling all of this out of my ass, obviously.


You may be pulling it out of your ass, but chances are that you're pretty close to home.
 
2009-11-05 03:57:10 PM
http://pao.hood.army.mil/

site down.
 
2009-11-05 03:57:23 PM
The only people on any base authorized to have weapons are as follows:

1, MPs. They carry personal sidearms, some have rifles, mounted units may have shotguns.

2, units in the field training. They receive their weapons from the armory, and do not get live ammo until they arrive at the firing range. They also must turn in any extra ammo when the training is over.

That's about it. MPs are spread out all over the base, and it takes time for them to converge on a "hot spot".

Any soldiers in training would probably have training immediately stopped, have ammo confiscated, and would be sequestered in a "safe area" until the situation is over.
 
2009-11-05 03:57:23 PM
Just a publicity stunt for CoD:MW2
 
2009-11-05 03:57:24 PM
The crazy hasn't started yet on Fox News, since Shepard Smith's show is on (and he's one of the only folks I can watch on Fox News). Unfortunately, Studio B is about to end to return to usual right-wing, partisan programming in "Your World with Neil Cavuto". Ugh. I'm hoping Shepard's show can stay on, but I assume they'll start Neil's crackpot show soon...
 
2009-11-05 03:57:40 PM
Oh America!
 
2009-11-05 03:57:54 PM
what_now: How do you get on an Army base if you aren't in the Army?

/real question


Wear a Domino's uniform and carry a pizza box.
 
2009-11-05 03:58:08 PM
timmy_the_tooth: E) Mexican drug lords.

They don't tend to be suicidal.
 
2009-11-05 03:58:18 PM
what_now: How do you get on an Army base if you aren't in the Army?

/real question


Civilian contractors, family and friends can get on the post. Hell, prostitutes get on every single day, and drug dealers and sleazy sales people...
 
2009-11-05 03:58:20 PM
jehovahs witness protection: Nah...I'm a gun nut and I got the joke.

Thank you.

This is a horrible story. However,I was mocking the obvious.
 
2009-11-05 03:58:23 PM
If only folks would get online and speculate as to what happened.
 
2009-11-05 03:58:26 PM
Damn, that sucks. Also as a fyi never EVER EVER EVER hook up with a girl from the Killeen area.

Hotdog Hallway etc. Its a right of passage to bump nastys with the locals.
 
2009-11-05 03:58:30 PM
alywa: So, who wants to guess what the top motive speculations will be? I'm not touching it.

Since there've been some muslimy people prosecuted in the past for "plots" that intended to drive onto a military base and shoot it up, I'm going to guess....NOT Al Qaeda types. How can I tell? Because this plot was actually marginally successful.
 
2009-11-05 03:58:33 PM
MorganGuard: Don't appreciate submitter's attempt at humor ... armed forces members likely the victims. There's no humor in their loss whether it involves domestic fatalities or overseas.

i182.photobucket.com
 
2009-11-05 03:58:36 PM
I laughed a little, but seriously.....

no one on a military post is ever really locked and loaded outside of the MPs. There are specific SOPs regarding who handles the rifles, machine guns, and ammo in each unit's respective armories. Sucks that a few turd-stains managed to...get past the checkpoints with them/stole them from the armory/what have you...and open fire on other people. Probably doesn't bode well for the psyches of other soldiers who got back from a deployment recently. Hope the wounded make it through ok. Plenty of combat medics and Combat Life-Savers in the area with good experience I'll wager....
 
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