We are undefeated in that category. My buddy has season tickets and said the last home game only had about 37k at the stadium. The product on the field just isn't worth what is being charged.

*sigh*

The Jags have gone downhill fast...

Out of curiosity, what were the attendance rates in the 90's when Brunell was leading them to the playoffs?

Slight threadjack, but this one seems to be as good or bad as any.

Contemplating a move to Florida later in the winter. Jacksonville looks ideal. Any Jacksonville Fakers have some input?

downstairs: I've never understood the blackout rule, but I guess the NFL thinks it makes sense financially.

Ok, so you have 10,000 empty seats. How many people would be watching on TV that would never fill those 10,000 seats? I know I personally don't like going to games (and I live walking distance from the Saints stadium). I've turned down free tickets- its just too much of a hassle. I like watching on TV, and I have to believe there would be many more than 10,000 people who fit this description.

I can't see how turning down advertising to many tens of thousands of people is somehow worth it relative to the money you'd make from 10,000 ticket sales and the stuff they buy at the stadium.

It might get people NFL Sunday Ticket or something like that.

/shrugs

downstairs: I've never understood the blackout rule, but I guess the NFL thinks it makes sense financially.

Ok, so you have 10,000 empty seats. How many people would be watching on TV that would never fill those 10,000 seats? I know I personally don't like going to games (and I live walking distance from the Saints stadium). I've turned down free tickets- its just too much of a hassle. I like watching on TV, and I have to believe there would be many more than 10,000 people who fit this description.

I can't see how turning down advertising to many tens of thousands of people is somehow worth it relative to the money you'd make from 10,000 ticket sales and the stuff they buy at the stadium.

It's a hassle to go to the Dome when you don't have to deal with traffic and parking??

I'd like to see the league contract back to 30 teams rather than relocate failing franchises, the level of play this season indicates talent is spread to thin.

/know it will never happen

bluorangefyre: Now back on topic, they keep saying the Jaguars are primed to move to Los Angeles. what makes them think they'd fill any stadium in L.A.?

Population of Duval County: 826,436

Population of Los Angeles County: 10,393,185

D-Liver: bluorangefyre: Now back on topic, they keep saying the Jaguars are primed to move to Los Angeles. what makes them think they'd fill any stadium in L.A.?

Population of Duval County: 826,436

Population of Los Angeles County: 10,393,185

And LA couldn't fill a stadium when the Rams were there

JC

Said it before and I'll say it again...NFL blackouts should be illegal if any public funding is used to build stadiums

InferiousX: Slight threadjack, but this one seems to be as good or bad as any.

Contemplating a move to Florida later in the winter. Jacksonville looks ideal. Any Jacksonville Fakers have some input?

I'm sure you knew I'd chime in on this thread at some point.

Jax is a great place to live. I miss it a lot. Riverside/Avondale, Ortega, or anyplace on the other side of the river toward the beaches are all awesome places to live. Jax really feels like a lot of small towns put together rather than one big city.

They're not going to Vegas. I read their sportswriter's column every day- I was even one of the people whose question he answered today- and he seems convinced that the Jags are going to end up playing about half their games in London. Goodell REALLY wants this franchise to succeed, and he also REALLY wants someone playing in London. After I saw that stadium packed with football fans wearing ANY jersey, I don't blame him.... I think the market is there.

JoeCowboy: D-Liver: bluorangefyre: Now back on topic, they keep saying the Jaguars are primed to move to Los Angeles. what makes them think they'd fill any stadium in L.A.?

Population of Duval County: 826,436

Population of Los Angeles County: 10,393,185

And LA couldn't fill a stadium when the Rams were there

JC

Yes they did

InferiousX: Slight threadjack, but this one seems to be as good or bad as any.

Contemplating a move to Florida later in the winter. Jacksonville looks ideal. Any Jacksonville Fakers have some input?

St. John's county is beautiful, but the cops are total dicks. Duval county is much less aesthetically pleasing but the police are slightly less dickish.

downstairs: I've never understood the blackout rule, but I guess the NFL thinks it makes sense financially.

Ok, so you have 10,000 empty seats. How many people would be watching on TV that would never fill those 10,000 seats? I know I personally don't like going to games (and I live walking distance from the Saints stadium). I've turned down free tickets- its just too much of a hassle. I like watching on TV, and I have to believe there would be many more than 10,000 people who fit this description.

I can't see how turning down advertising to many tens of thousands of people is somehow worth it relative to the money you'd make from 10,000 ticket sales and the stuff they buy at the stadium.

The league gets the money for the TV deal whether the game is blacked out or not. The game being sold out or not makes no difference in money through TV deals.

BUT if you don't buy a ticket the team does not make money. When the team blacks out more people buy tickets. The blackout rule actually makes perfect sense.

/Jaguars fan
//Former Jacksonville native
///We just need to get our shiat together and buy the tickets

At some point the NFL has to cinsider the fact that it has 1 or 2 many teams, and that their overall bottom line is lowered by the dilution.

Sacrilege, I know, to even contemplate the fallibility of the NFL

/Always wondered who the Pope roots for.

FIFA: When the team blacks out more people buy tickets

No, they don't. They go to their nearest/favorite sports bar and watch it there.

greatgodyoshi: FIFA: When the team blacks out more people buy tickets

No, they don't. They go to their nearest/favorite sports bar and watch it there.

Not unless their favorite sports bar is 150 miles out of town. Blackouts cover satellite signals as well

I really hate the blackout rule. If you really think about it, it's just the NFL punishing a market for not buying tickets. I guess they have the right to do that, but it seems awfully petty.

Seems to me that if they really wanted some good pub, they'd have said "hey, the economy's terrible, no blackouts this season!" I'd be really interested to see the sellout numbers if they did that, I bet they wouldn't drop a bit.

Thanks for the input guys.

Trying to wrangle up some money for a wintertime Florida vacation. Visit the area then if it's a Colts/Saints Superball....I'll consider assaulting someone I don't know if that means I got tickets. That game would be epic.

Lou Cypher: I'd like to see the league contract back to 30 teams rather than relocate failing franchises, the level of play this season indicates talent is spread to thin.

/know it will never happen

Oakland --> LA
Jacksonville --> Central Texas (between Austin and San Antonio)

Problem solved.

greatgodyoshi: No, they don't. They go to their nearest/favorite sports bar and watch it there.

Yea...they do. You can't watch it at the sports bar if it's blacked out so they have to buy a ticket if they want to see it.

downstairs: I know I personally don't like going to games (and I live walking distance from the Saints stadium). I've turned down free tickets- its just too much of a hassle.

You live within walking distance, don't have to pay $30-$40 to park, can eat and drink at home, get free tickets and it's STILL too much of a hassle to go to a game?

WTF more do you need?

Lost Thought 00: /Always wondered who the Pope roots for.

New Orleans or Arizona, probably.

In 1995, did anyone really think a team could work in a small MSA market like Jacksonville. Its amazing that Charlotte and Jacksonville beat out areas like St. Louis and Memphis.

/St. Louis turned out ok for awhile then they choked a bit.
//St. Louis probably would like to trade teams at this time.

iamskibibitz: Jacksonville --> Central Texas (between Austin and San Antonio)

You know, I always thought that the Jaguars should move to San Antonio, but the idea of someplace between Austin and SA sounds intriguing. Kinda like Foxborough is between Boston and Providence. I think the idea is crazy enough to work. Or maybe not. I dunno.

Phelyx: Its amazing that Charlotte and Jacksonville beat out areas like St. Louis and Memphis.

Jacksonville, yeah I agree. But Charlotte seems to be doing just fine. In hindsight, the franchise that went to Jacksonville should have gone to Baltimore. In fact, now that I think about it, I really think it was a disgrace that J-ville got a team over Baltimore.

I have YET to figure out why one of the big networks or ESPN hasn't worked out a pay per view system that's reasonable. Split the profits with the stadium and team, no black outs, and pick ANY game from any from that provider for a nominal fee.

My girlfriend is a Chargers fan but we live in North Carolina. We've missed two games that weren't shown at all locally on cable. I've missed college sports, pro football and basketball, and hockey games, just because I wasn't willing to pay for a giant packaged channel I don't give a flip about 90% of the content on.

I don't want to subscribe to the NFL Network, the NBA league pass, the NHL Center Ice, whatever the SEC/ACC/Big10/Pac10 channel is. I want to be able to say, right now, UCLA and Kansas are playing and they are having a good year. I'll pay a dollar to watch one of those instead of whatever stupid Conference USA game they are airing here. Why won't someone let me give them money to watch the games I want to watch, instead of the games they think I should watch?

PeopleSuck: Yes they did

no they didn't

JC

UNC_Samurai: Out of curiosity, what were the attendance rates in the 90's when Brunell was leading them to the playoffs?

Attendance during the 90's was at or near capactiy (73,000 at that time, usual attendance was between 60 and 70,000). Games were sold out for the first three years, single game tickets weren't available until 1999. The Jaguars didn't have a game blacked out until the 2001 season, and a couple more in '02 during Coughlin's last year.

The fans came back out to support Del Rio, but the last two years have been tough. The stadium is huge (76,000 seats) compared to some other places; doesn't matter - even covering up 10,000 seats the Jaguars still need to sell 57,000 "non-premium" (club) seats to avoid a blackout.

The economy here in Jacksonville is awful - unemployment is high and most of the well 'to do' locals are spending their football money in Gainesville to watch Tim Tebow.

As a Jaguars fan from day 1 (November 30, 1993), it's hard to watch the stink the Jaguars put on the field for road games (see Seattle game, Tennessee game for example) and then except to pay $$$ when they have a home game.

Del Rio is in the same position that Tom Coughlin was back in '02; he's lost the team, he's lost the town. He has to go if he can't steer this team to the post-season (and that is not going to happen).