thompsonius: I need the Fark Independents™ to tell me whether I am to be mad at the union for striking or the gov't for not giving in to their demands.

It's a floor wax *AND* a dessert topping.

Was it Santa?

Bufu: Was it Santa?

Grandpa got run over by a freight train...

"today they killed a guy"

tough audience

Was it a Yankee fan?

TheShavingofOccam123: xanadian: Sybarite: Wait, the trains are striking now?

Yes. People, apparently...

It's more of a smear campaign.

This thread is getting derailed.

yes, generally a strike from a train is fatal.

Farking Philly Fan booed Santa Clause, this is non issue.

Looks like it's time to call...

optras: Was it a Yankee fan?

Disgruntled Philly fan.

Oh, boy. Another support thread. Hey, unions: you have legislation protecting the workers, so do the decent thing and disband.
/lazy, narcissistic oafs

gorgor: dittybopper: thompsonius: I need the Fark Independents™ to tell me whether I am to be mad at the union for striking or the gov't for not giving in to their demands.

It's a floor wax *AND* a dessert topping.

Mangled Baby Ducks.

For people who can't taste the difference!

SEPTA says neither incident is strike-related.

Well, I don't know about you but I tend to believe everything the news says

Meh. The non-striking trains in Chicago are tossing infants out of their strollers onto the tracks. And I fully agree with everything Linux_Yes says. He may be an angry young college student with zero friends, but he is very wise about everything. For example he knows that Apple is a good greedy corporation because OSX is based on BSD.

Most successful strike ever. If these incidents don't show the necessity of the union workforce, I don't know what will.

/Political feelings aside
//Can go both ways regarding unions
///Depends on the situation

I predict that tomorrow a rape will have happened up there.

I met an Arizona woman who was hit by a train and lived. Two broken femurs.

Sin_City_Superhero: If only there were a way to predict the path that a train is likely to take, then the guy could've gotten out of the way.

Guy was walking southbound on the northbound track, as they're supposed to (so you can see the multi-ton speeding hunk of metal coming at you). There was an "equipment failure" somewhere on the southbound track, so the southbound train was diverted onto the normally-northbound track. Someone failed to alert the inspector, and the train came up from behind him; poor bastard never saw it coming.

Thats an 827: I met an Arizona woman who was hit by a train and lived. Two broken femurs.

Was she hawt?
/did ya do her?

medius: Thats an 827: I met an Arizona woman who was hit by a train and lived. Two broken femurs.

I'm going to reread a couple of times to try to figure out if there's a joke in there.

I mean, it has a classical comedic structure and rhythm.fark it, I'm just going to go ahead and laugh anyway.

I was about to tell him that was a gripping tale and recount when I pulled a lady off of train tracks. Then I had the sense that you had and figured it was some sort of joke that went over my head.

Thats an 827: I met an Arizona woman who was hit by a train and lived. Two broken femurs.

Is the train okay?

/sorry

Hey cool, I live a block from where this vicious scheduled train unexpectedly came out of nowhere, sniffed out that guy, lept through the air and snagged him by the jugular, thrashing the life from of his carcass, while blasting some Rob Zombie for effect.

Until that really happens, I want every newspaper headline that says "TRAIN KILLED PERSON" to say "DUMBASS STEPS IN FRONT OF 200 TON OBJECT TRAVELING 60 MPH, NOTHING UNEXPECTED OCCURS."

AbbeySomeone: Snarfangel: Bufu: Was it Santa?

Grandpa got run over by a freight train...

Lots of respectable people get hit by trains.
Was he bonafide?

Seriously, why doesn't PA have it's own tag? They run a close second to Florida in stupid incidents.

The deal the SEPTA workers got, even by the admission of Ed Rendell (D), Gov, is a "good deal in tough economic times"...

Linux_Yes [TotalFark] Quote 2009-11-05 04:52:05 PM
Remember yesterday when the striking Philly trains caught on fire? Yeah, well today they killed a guy

just remember Fark Geniuses, only Strikes kill people, not crony capitalist banker pigs who steal and undermine our Democracy and threaten our National Security by doing so.....

also, brainwashed middle/working class kids who go overseas to protect "Freedom" (American Wealthy's 'stuff') doesn't kill people either.


You need to take a break, really you do, you need to take a long break, and you need to stop reading Chomsky and Mother Jones, honestly.
only Strikes, and Unions, and Governments kill people, and only the idea of Democracy expressed thru these methods kill people.

morons.

only Strikes, and Unions, and Governments kill people, and only the idea of Democracy expressed thru these methods kill people.

morons.

Here is what I want to know. All of these workers have gone on strike because they want more money. Septa can't make any money while they are on strike. So, the only way they will get what they want is to completely screw the riders by increasing the fares again?

Fire these asshats and find replacements. There is no longer a need for unions, and aside from that, there are plenty of people who would gladly take those jobs for whatever money these idiots on strike are making now.

tjfly: The deal the SEPTA workers got, even by the admission of Ed Rendell (D), Gov, is a "good deal in tough economic times"...


Googling for the details reveals it to be yards better than any contract my old union managed to negotiate. Were I a Philly resident I'd be inclined to tell those Jack Acids to sign it and get back to work. The union rep's counterargument is to state that the railway is flush with cash that it can afford to share. I'm not privy to the books so I have no idea how truthy that is.

The Angry Hand of God: Here is what I want to know. All of these workers have gone on strike because they want more money. Septa can't make any money while they are on strike. So, the only way they will get what they want is to completely screw the riders by increasing the fares again?

Fire these asshats and find replacements. There is no longer a need for unions, and aside from that, there are plenty of people who would gladly take those jobs for whatever money these idiots on strike are making now.

That's incredibly stupid.

The scabs are burning trains and killing people. The union workers don't seem to do that at nearly the same rate.

And it's unfortunate this has gotten this far, but if management hadn't been unreasonable in the first place, this guy wouldn't be dead.

DarkVader: And it's unfortunate this has gotten this far, but if management hadn't been unreasonable in the first place, this guy wouldn't be dead.


Assuming you're from Philly, in which way was management unreasonable? The offered contract looks pretty good on the surface.

I lived in Philly for ten years and Septa went on strike 87 times.

/just kidding
//It was a lot though

Jeff73: tjfly: The deal the SEPTA workers got, even by the admission of Ed Rendell (D), Gov, is a "good deal in tough economic times"...


Googling for the details reveals it to be yards better than any contract my old union managed to negotiate. Were I a Philly resident I'd be inclined to tell those Jack Acids to sign it and get back to work. The union rep's counterargument is to state that the railway is flush with cash that it can afford to share. I'm not privy to the books so I have no idea how truthy that is.

Whether the union rep's counterargument is thruthy or not, it doesn't a damn bit of difference how much cash SEPTA has so long as their employees are being paid a competitive wage. By admission of the pro-union Rendell SEPTA has given the union a MORE than competitive offer. If the SEPTA workers think they can do better elsewhere, they can GTFO.

/stranded for 2 hrs yesterday b/c of this bullshiat.
//I'm a (D) but these union guys are losing support even in the bluest of cities.

DarkVader: The Angry Hand of God: Here is what I want to know. All of these workers have gone on strike because they want more money. Septa can't make any money while they are on strike. So, the only way they will get what they want is to completely screw the riders by increasing the fares again?

Fire these asshats and find replacements. There is no longer a need for unions, and aside from that, there are plenty of people who would gladly take those jobs for whatever money these idiots on strike are making now.

That's incredibly stupid.

The scabs are burning trains and killing people. The union workers don't seem to do that at nearly the same rate.

And it's unfortunate this has gotten this far, but if management hadn't been unreasonable in the first place, this guy wouldn't be dead.

They're not scabs. The trains are a completely different union.

The guy killed was a maintenance guy who apparently hadn't checked to see if there were changes to the tracks for the day (train was going opposite to the normal orientation because of a track issue elsewhere on the line.

Jeff73: tjfly: The deal the SEPTA workers got, even by the admission of Ed Rendell (D), Gov, is a "good deal in tough economic times"...


Googling for the details reveals it to be yards better than any contract my old union managed to negotiate. Were I a Philly resident I'd be inclined to tell those Jack Acids to sign it and get back to work. The union rep's counterargument is to state that the railway is flush with cash that it can afford to share. I'm not privy to the books so I have no idea how truthy that is.

SEPTA is in NO WAY flush with cash. It DID get some stimulus funds to start some LONG needed projects (new trains, needed as evidenced by the 40 year old train catching fire yesterday, new fare system etc), but those are not permanent increases to SEPTA funding and would not be useful for wage increases. There have been frequent discussions and panels regarding fare increases and service reduction. Local 234 was offered a really good deal, even with the takebacks, but they want EVERYTHING. Fark 'em.

DarkVader: That's incredibly stupid.

The scabs are burning trains and killing people. The union workers don't seem to do that at nearly the same rate.

And it's unfortunate this has gotten this far, but if management hadn't been unreasonable in the first place, this

In what way has management been unreasounable? Where the fark else are these greedy union bastards going to get bonuses and raises like they;ve been offered? Fark them all.

/supports most unions
//support fading for many
///can't believe this nonsense has evolved to its current level

DarkVader: The Angry Hand of God: Here is what I want to know. All of these workers have gone on strike because they want more money. Septa can't make any money while they are on strike. So, the only way they will get what they want is to completely screw the riders by increasing the fares again?

Fire these asshats and find replacements. There is no longer a need for unions, and aside from that, there are plenty of people who would gladly take those jobs for whatever money these idiots on strike are making now.

Why don't you just go ahead and defend the UAW while you are at it?

That's incredibly stupid.

The scabs are burning trains and killing people. The union workers don't seem to do that at nearly the same rate.

And it's unfortunate this has gotten this far, but if management hadn't been unreasonable in the first place, this guy wouldn't be dead.

Really you are going to say what I said was stupid and follow it up by that? Have you ever been on a Septa bus before? Do a Google search for Septa bus crashes before you open up your retarded mouth again. There are far more incidents with these employees than on the train system.

And really "If management hadn't be unreasonable in the first place, this guy wouldn't be dead." It was an accident. The reason that the Septa trains aren't on strike is because they belong to a different union. Maybe you should look up the definition of scab before you let any more stupid come out of you. If they belonged to the SAME union they may be considered a scab.

When the union local is 666 expect the best.

Tomorrow, a train will collide with a BBQ sauce tanker, kill people, catch fire. Tasty! Cannibal party in Philly.

Strikes are one of the 100 reasons why public transportation sucks... When it's not the drivers that are on strike it's the mechanics, when it's not the mechanics it's another group of workers from another union. So you're almost sure to have a long strike each 2 years.

DarkVader: .

That's incredibly stupid.

The scabs are burning trains and killing people. The union workers don't seem to do that at nearly the same rate.

And it's unfortunate this has gotten this far, but if management hadn't been unreasonable in the first place, this guy wouldn't be dead.

er---the people who run the trains are in a different union from the people who run the buses, subways, and trolleys. They are union workers who are working under a contract, and not replacement workers (or "scabs," as you would have it).

The family of the guy that was run down is sure to file a wrongful death lawsuit. If the lawyer that the family hires is worth anything, s/he will sue the TWU (the bus/subway/trolley operators' union) and Mr. Brown, the TWU's president, as well as SEPTA itself. And I will laugh if the jury finds the TWU and its president liable for the poor guy's death, bankrupts the union, and takes Mr. Brown's house and car away.

Stupid SEPTA strike meant I had to ride my bike up to North Philly in the goddamn rain today.