The winner takes it all!!!

Kitwilly: what a bunch of dancing queens. This will definitely be their Waterloo. Though I have a dream that the winner takes it all and that they should take a chance, take a a chance..


*Kills self by suicide bomb*

Shakes fist.

HEY ABBASS!

Tatsuma: Abbas is really angry that he does not have the power Arafat ym'sh had.

He's done in terms of politics, the only way he can stay in power is by breaking both PA and Fatah rules. He's already breaking them and it's incredibly likely that he will try to hang on to power as long as he can.

They have already chosen his replacement, though, and he's about as hardline as any Hamas leader.

No dude, you quote an Abba song in a humorous way.

give me doughnuts: Replace one terrorist with another. Big deal.

Where are you getting that Abbas is a terrorist?

HEY ABBAS!

Abbo
Abbas
Abbat
Abbamus
Abbatis
Abbant

Semper ubi sub ubi!

MonkeyAngst: give me doughnuts: Replace one terrorist with another. Big deal.

Where are you getting that Abbas is a terrorist?

He's a Palastinian, isn't he? On Fark that's the same thing.

theorellior: joshik72: Semper ubi sub ubi!

Agricolae sunt in campo. Puellae sunt in silva. Puer spectat canem.

Ecce! In pictura est puella, nomina Cornelia.

Oh crap the romans are back.

Tatsuma: give me doughnuts: Replace one terrorist with another. Big deal.

It is a big deal, as his replacement is actually much more hardcore than Abbas and wants to resume suicide bombing and go the Hamas way. Abbas is far from a moderate, but his replacement will make peace impossible for the next 20 years.

"Abbas is far from a moderate"???

To you all Arabs and Muslims must be the same (I've read many of your bigoted posts) but really, Abbas is Israel's lapdog, which is why he will never be the legitimate leader of anyone he claims to represent.

He's beyond a "moderate", he's a Quisling.

Tatsuma: give me doughnuts: Replace one terrorist with another. Big deal.

It is a big deal, as his replacement is actually much more hardcore than Abbas and wants to resume suicide bombing and go the Hamas way. Abbas is far from a moderate, but his replacement will make peace impossible for the next 20 years.

What is this "peace" you keep mentioning? I've been hearing this crap for twenty years now and every time the chorus strengthens, stuff begins to blow up all around me.

/glass parking lot

MonkeyAngst
"Where are you getting that Abbas is a terrorist?"


Perhaps here (pops), where he was one of the early operatives of Fatah*, or here (pops), where he bankrolled the murder of 11 members of Israel's Olympic team in Munich?


*on Fatah (pops): "In the 1960s and the 1970s, Fatah provided training to a wide range of European, Middle Eastern, Asian, and African militant and insurgent groups, and carried out numerous attacks against Israeli targets in Western Europe and the Middle East during the 1970s. Some militant groups that affiliated themselves to Fatah, and some of the fedayeen within Fatah itself, carried out civilian plane hijackings and terrorist attacks"

Tatsuma: rpl: What is this "peace" you keep mentioning? I've been hearing this crap for twenty years now and every time the chorus strengthens, stuff begins to blow up all around me.

No need to tell me. I don't care for the current peace process, as it is a complete joke, but a lot of people here do.

Well that's their own little delusion, now isn't it?

Does your mother know this headline was full of win, Subby?

He's got aides? Oh snap!

nimblehuman:
To you all Arabs and Muslims must be the same (I've read many of your bigoted posts) but really, Abbas is Israel's lapdog, which is why he will never be the legitimate leader of anyone he claims to represent.

He's beyond a "moderate", he's a Quisling.


Interesting... from the Wikipedia entry for Fatah:

Its main goal, as stated in Article 12 of the official Fatah constitution is the "complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence."


This is the "moderate" Palestinian position, as opposed to the "extreme" Hamas position...

rpl: Tatsuma: give me doughnuts: Replace one terrorist with another. Big deal.

It is a big deal, as his replacement is actually much more hardcore than Abbas and wants to resume suicide bombing and go the Hamas way. Abbas is far from a moderate, but his replacement will make peace impossible for the next 20 years.

What is this "peace" you keep mentioning? I've been hearing this crap for twenty years now and every time the chorus strengthens, stuff begins to blow up all around me.

/glass parking lot

I had the same thought about 20 years ago.

great, subby, now that song is stuck in my head. bastard!!!

/the Costello references made me LOL

Tatsuma: He's a terrorist with a suit.









Terror is as terror does.

FTA:

Abbas has been at odds with Israel over their decision to continue to build settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank and has made the complete halt of construction a prerequisite to future discussions. Abbas sees the regions as key areas in a future Palestinian state.

Israel sees the same thing, which is why they are working feverishly to "create facts on the ground" before the music stops.

This isn't about Peace, it's about land.

give me doughnuts: Apik0r0s: This isn't about Peace, it's about land.

This isn't about land, it's about religion.

No, it's about land. religion is just used as the "those people aren't like us so they can't have any of our land" card.

Thus the religion with the biggest guns get to keep it.

/guess who that is?

give me doughnuts: Apik0r0s: This isn't about Peace, it's about land.

This isn't about land, it's about religion.

This isn't about religion, its about using a trivial diference as an excuse to cultivate an "us vs. them" mentality.

Apik0r0s: ...it's about land.


I can't believe this, but this is the first thing you've ever said that I actually agree with!


The Arabs, up to this point, have been unwilling to accept the presence of a Jewish state in their region. Israel can pull out of Gaza, give back the remaining few hundred acres of Golan, pull out of the West Bank, settlements and everything... it WILL NOT MATTER.


The notion of a Jewish State in that region will be forever "humiliating" to the Arabs, and until their culture undergoes a significant shift, they will continue to seek Israel's destruction and continue to train their kids to kill Jews.

It's about land.

Nuke Gorgor.

gorgor: Nuke Jerusalem.

You know what... as ludicrous and unconventional as this idea is, it would most likely solve the problem. It's too bad there's not a way to contain the blast radius and prevent nuclear fallout.

If this was a movie plot, there would be a tamper-proof nuclear device placed in the heart of Jerusalem with a one-year timer. Everyone would have one year to evacuate the city before it was turned into a nuclear wasteland. The only way the bomb would be deactivated is if both sides settled on a 100 year iron-clad, non-conditional peace treaty.

/also, Michael Biehn should be in the movie

Why should the guy get himself killed for nothing? HAMAS marks him a US patsy and fights a civil war with him over his efforts to stop terrorism and secure a lasting peace with Israel. Israel either ignores him completely or makes one-sided offers while refusing reasonable concessions like halting settlement construction. For the US's part, though it makes demands of both sides, it seems clear enough that they're only willing to apply pressure to one of them.

It was a sign of just how bad things have gotten that Hillary Clinton termed Netanyahu's steadfast refusal to halt settlement construction "unprecedented concessions". For months now we've seen the Netanyahu administration's bold defiance met with concession after concession by the US on even the most long-standing of principles, until it has finally reached this nadir of incredulity well beyond the level of Orwellian chocolate rations.

Netanyahu has given them nothing, not even an empty box, not even wrapping paper. New settlements yesterday, new settlements today, and new settlements tomorrow. Calling that a special something may be a game that Secretary of State Clinton can play comfortably from her Washington office. The streets of Ramallah are a different matter, though, and it's those which Abbas has to walk each day.

Tatsuma
They have already chosen his replacement, though, and he's about as hardline as any Hamas leader.

And that's the tragedy here to be celebrated by those on both sides who want more war. Abbas has been an embarrassment precisely because he is more willing to negotiate than the other side, which makes it difficult to maintain the pretense that the Palestinians are the main obstacle to peace. Israel's focus on HAMAS diplomatically and militarily as a way to mitigate this, rather than a sincere effort to marginalize them by working with Abbas, is pretty evident. The US's recent overt complicity in this has essentially dashed Abbas' hopes and possibly even his chances of surviving re-election were he to run.

So now, yes, it's very likely that whoever follows the guy Israel wouldn't negotiate substantively with will probably be less willing to negotiate. Another poisoned peace process. Congratulations, extremists.

He's a terrorist with a suit. Sorry he fooled you.

You just fried my irony detector, Tats.