Oh, poor you.

You're doing it wrong.

How sad for him. Most artists enjoy it. Yeah it can be work. Some of the places you have to play are dives. Long late hours surrounded by drunken assholes. Playing the same old stuff for decade after decade.

Had they came up with new stuff,stayed contemporary and continued being successful he would probably be singing a different tune.

He's exactly right.

When you make old sad bastard, straight to lite-fm music for people in Cosby sweaters - COSBY sweaters - that's what you expect: work

I will bet you $1,000,000 that artists who make good music see it as their passion, not work, and love what they do.

Kyosuke: He's exactly right.

This. I used to write software for fun. Sometimes it was stuff that was useful to me, and sometimes just to learn a new language or technique, and sometimes just because making a computer do exactly what you want it to do is *COOL*.

Once I became a programmer/analyst, I gradually stopped writing software for myself, because it wasn't really fun anymore, it was too much like work.

The English Major: I can't tell what this video is. (new window)

Well, the first giveaway of Hall & Oates is the mullet-to-mustache ratio (2:1), giving you a strong indication of it being the kind of crap you hear when stuck at a Doctor's office or in the Dentist Chair, or the secretary at the office will play because "everyone likes this" except you don't know anyone who actually likes it aside from that fat secretary.

That's why I don't pay for .mp3 downloads.

El Chode: When you make old sad bastard, straight to lite-fm music for people in Cosby sweaters - COSBY sweaters - that's what you expect: work

I will bet you $1,000,000 that artists who make good music see it as their passion, not work, and love what they do.

I'll bet you $10 you don't know what you are talking about.

He's out of touch.

/oblig

Hobodeluxe: How sad for him. Most SUCCESSFUL artists enjoy it. Yeah it can be work. Some of the places you have to play are dives. Long late hours surrounded by drunken assholes. Playing the same old stuff for decade after decade.....

Sorry dude - had to FTF everyone. Most artists I know hate suffering for their passion - you covered some of the aspects of suffering (paying your dues as a musician), but there are other sacrifices that artists make in order to pour their being into their art: failed relationships, alienation from family and friends because "they don't understand you", money problems, coping mechanisms that lead to addiction... art for art's sake might be good enough on the surface, but when an artist fails to meet personal expectations then there's absolutely no enjoyment in that.

El Chode: When you make old sad bastard, straight to lite-fm music for people in Cosby sweaters - COSBY sweaters - that's what you expect: work

I will bet you $1,000,000 that artists who make good music see it as their passion, not work, and love what they do.

Yeah, right. The motivations are fame, fortune, and women, not necessarily in that order.

dittybopper: Once I became a programmer/analyst, I gradually stopped writing software for myself, because it wasn't really fun anymore, it was too much like work.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Been a programmer analyst for more than a decade, and I almost never write code that's not for my job anymore. The rare times I do, it's a chore, one that I want to complete as quickly as possible.

I would say, judging by this (new window), he's lying.

Also, judging by that, I'd say that some of his music is pretty good.

Kyosuke: I'll bet you $10 you don't know what you are talking about.

1) I'll take that bet since you're not willing to put any money behind it
2) You probably have an inferior taste in music
3) You're that asshole that drives the speed limit in the left lane,

He's upset because keyboard cat is getting all the attention.

Rock on KB Cat...rock on! (new window)

DarthBrooks: He's a biatch, girl.

You've gone too far.

You can ask almost any professional musician who's made it and they all pretty much say the same thing:

'It's my job', 'I don't listen to other people's music', 'When I'm not playing a concert or making a record I stay as far from music as possible'.

Over the years I've read these comments and many more similar ones from a variety of performers.

Doing it on the weekends, wishing you were a star and doing it for a living are two different things.

I think this stems from the fact that once you've made it, then the pressure is on to maintain that kind of success -- or at least enough success to pay the bills. I can only imagine that playing "Kiss On My List" to a crowd of drunken baby boomers in 2009 would be considered "work" and not "fun".

**THREADJACK**

This kind of stuff getting greenlighted and being up to our asses in all the stupid heavy meatal crap when you can't get Gram Parsons through on his birthday is disappointing.

**END THREADJACK**

/sorry, had to vent

douchebag/hater:
You can ask almost any professional musician who's made it and they all pretty much say the same thing:

'It's my job', 'I don't listen to other people's music', 'When I'm not playing a concert or making a record I stay as far from music as possible'.



Nope, sorry. Real musicians love music, we listen to it all the time. Now I'm not gonna bust out some Meshuggah or Pantera after I've been hitting the stage for an hour or two jamming my brain out, but I've been doing this for 10 years now and I enjoy music very much and so do my bandmates and people from other bands that I've toured with or sat in on a session with.

The musicians that say they hate music aren't really in it for the art, they are in it for money, and that is the wrong reason to play music for a living.

This far into the thread, and still no Moliere?

"Writing is like prostitution. First you do it for love, and then just for a few close friends, and finally for money."

There. Much better.

Now if you all will excuse me, the deadline on this training brochure is approaching and I've only written the first half.


/now playing: "The Dirty Dirty" by Tapes 'n Tapes

When I was in middle school, I asked a friend if he liked Hall n Oates. He thought I was asking if he enjoyed hauling oats. That's when I realized I wasn't cool.

El Chode: Kyosuke: I'll bet you $10 you don't know what you are talking about.

1) I'll take that bet since you're not willing to put any money behind it
2) You probably have an inferior taste in music
3) You're that asshole that drives the speed limit in the left lane,

1) At least I actually possess the amount I wagered.
2) Not only is the probably wrong, it also has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
3) No. I'm not. Learn to read.

to be fair... i never enjoyed his music either.

With talk like that, you'd figure he wrote better songs.

This just in... sometimes your job is just work.

What an a-hole.

/dnrfa

GeeksAreMyPeeps: You know which Hall & Oates song I like? That one from the 80s, that's a ridiculously extended metaphor of romantic relationships as compared to something that's totally unrelated to romantic relationships. I like that one.

Everytime you go away?

Wettner: GeeksAreMyPeeps: You know which Hall & Oates song I like? That one from the 80s, that's a ridiculously extended metaphor of romantic relationships as compared to something that's totally unrelated to romantic relationships. I like that one.

Everytime you go away?

"... you take a piece of meat, with you..."

The Crepes of Wrath: dittybopper: Once I became a programmer/analyst, I gradually stopped writing software for myself, because it wasn't really fun anymore, it was too much like work.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Been a programmer analyst for more than a decade, and I almost never write code that's not for my job anymore. The rare times I do, it's a chore, one that I want to complete as quickly as possible.

Yep.

Now, it might be that if I became, say, a pharmacist or something, I'd go back to writing it for fun. Back when I copied Morse code for a living, it was a bit of a chore, but after I stopped doing that I found I missed it, so I do it for fun now.

Unemployment also gets the software juices flowing. Last time I was laid off, I wrote a mini-database to keep track of my contacts, interviews, resumes, etc., and to automate a number of tasks.

It was fun, but mostly it was done to save time: I cut the time needed to get an appropriate resume and cover letter* out of the door drastically. My job search duties took two days out of the week, tops, unless I had an interview scheduled or something. Most of the time, I'd get everything done on Monday. On the rare occasions that I had to show up at the Department of Labor, I'd have this nicely formatted report showing all my contacts and the status of each. One woman at the DoL asked me why I put so much work into doing it that way, and I told her "Because I'm lazy".

*I had three versions of each, depending on the type of position.

Hmm, maybe it is different for folks that are born into it. I know that I was 13 when I really discovered music, and it's been a driving force in my life ever since. I wouldn't give it up for anything.

Granted, I don't play out, but I love to record and create and experiment with sound, then put albums together. The whole learning process has been worth it, even with the very limited exposure.

Hell, I've read enough horror stories about being in a band (mostly record company related) to know that I've probably taken the more profitable road, because I still have my day job to fall back on (and surf FARK from).

/yeah, I'm too positive for FARK
//I should leave
///snark is my junk food

Kodiak Attack: Hmm, maybe it is different for folks that are born into it. I know that I was 13 when I really discovered music, and it's been a driving force in my life ever since. I wouldn't give it up for anything.

Granted, I don't play out, but I love to record and create and experiment with sound, then put albums together. The whole learning process has been worth it, even with the very limited exposure.

Hell, I've read enough horror stories about being in a band (mostly record company related) to know that I've probably taken the more profitable road, because I still have my day job to fall back on (and surf FARK from).

/yeah, I'm too positive for FARK
//I should leave
///snark is my junk food

If you *REALLY* love something, don't do it professionally.

I play music, too, and I was in a crappy band. We had a lot of fun though, probably because we didn't have the pressures that come with any amount of success (or talent).

I can't wait for The Bird and the Bee's Hall and Oates cover album.


There, I said it.

Inara George should be getting all the press and attention the Lily Allen and Katy Perry's of the world get.

RazorRex: douchebag/hater:
You can ask almost any professional musician who's made it and they all pretty much say the same thing:

'It's my job', 'I don't listen to other people's music', 'When I'm not playing a concert or making a record I stay as far from music as possible'.

Nope, sorry. Real musicians love music, we listen to it all the time. Now I'm not gonna bust out some Meshuggah or Pantera after I've been hitting the stage for an hour or two jamming my brain out, but I've been doing this for 10 years now and I enjoy music very much and so do my bandmates and people from other bands that I've toured with or sat in on a session with.

The musicians that say they hate music aren't really in it for the art, they are in it for money, and that is the wrong reason to play music for a living.

This this THIS.

/musician, loves music like I love food, or air

dittybopper: I play music, too, and I was in a crappy band. We had a lot of fun though, probably because we didn't have the pressures that come with any amount of success (or talent).

There's an old saying in the music business: You have you whole life to make your first album, and six months to make your second.