Did the toppings contain potassium benzoate?

The jobs created are short lived for wind farms. Several hundred are employed for a few months, but it only takes a few to monitor and service them after they are built.

Hurray for Stimulus!!!

Can we go now?

ragekage: Did the toppings contain potassium benzoate?

The toppings are from China, so potassium benzoate should be the least of your worries.

Maybe those 30 USA jobs will get a COLA next year, so they will be *saved*.

Yup, here's your problem. Someone set China to "Evil".

The Daily KOS just nuked the fridge.

... that's bad

do the chinese use lead paint on the wind farms?

Here's one reason why China might have an edge in the actual turbine manufacturing.


Tighter limits on production and exports - part of a plan by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology - would ensure China had the supply for its own technological and economic needs and force more manufacturers to make their wares in China in order to have access to the minerals.

In each of the past three years, China has reduced the amount of rare earths that can be exported. This year quotas are on track to be the smallest yet. But what is starting to alarm Western governments and multinationals is the possibility they will be further restricted.
...
China produces over 99 per cent of dysprosium and terbium and 95 per cent of neodymium. These are vital to many green energy technologies, including high-strength, lightweight magnets used in wind turbines, as well as military applications.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/concerns-raised-over-chinas-rare-earth-domin an ce-20090901-f6xw.html

Etchy333: ragekage: Did the toppings contain potassium benzoate?

The toppings are from China, so potassium benzoate should be the least of your worries.

The positions require handling Potasium Benzoate

/ done in one

Ever see a guy say good-bye to a shoe?

/different episode, I know

Stimulus advisor

BGates: The jobs created are short lived for wind farms. Several hundred are employed for a few months, but it only takes a few to monitor and service them after they are built.

only 30 for a 600 megawatt plant? It's not near as wasteful as I suspected. I'm not nearly as annoyed by these projects as I was 5 minutes ago. If so few people are needed to run them why the hell are the kilowatt hours so expensive then? Simply because all the down time when the wind is not blowing? Or are they just that more expensive to build than nuclear?

Mentat: BGates: The jobs created are short lived for wind farms. Several hundred are employed for a few months, but it only takes a few to monitor and service them after they are built.

So are construction jobs. When you finish one, you move on to the next. I'm not sure I understand the point.

That said, we are really screwing the pooch with job creation in this country and I'm not sure there's anything Obama can do about it at this point. Our "loyal" corporations have sold us down the river in the name of profit and we let them, and now that China has gained their expertise, they're selling the corporations down the river. Circle of life.

Maybe if you hadn't demanded they be taxed at nearly the highest rates in the world. Be careful what you wish for.

Relatively Obscure: Pocket Ninja: Wait a minute. Obama is trying to create green jobs. Green. Green jobs. And there's a revolution in Iran called the green revolution. Green jobs, and green revolution. What the hell? Has anyone seen this connection? And China had Mao, and Mao had a red book, and red and green...my God, red and green. That's Christmas. Christmas...winter...November is in winter...the November Revolution? My God, what's going on here. Green...Mao...communism...Christmas. There's something here bigger than all of us. I can't see it all, it's too big. Stalin? The siege? Leningrad. Lenin. They burned Ukraine...Ukraine. K. There's a K in Ukraine. K. Kenya. Kenya! Christmas in Kenya...Mao...red...green...Lizards are green. Lizards...V. Aliens! Aliens! Holy hell, I'm not sure what's going on here, but this is bad. This is really bad.

Glenn, is that you?!

IronTom: NewportBarGuy: Republicans seem to want us to all become retarded.

not the ones I know. Smart as tacks.

Yes, they're certainly as smart as an inanimate object.

/the expression is "shart as a tack".

Mentat: relcec: Maybe if you hadn't demanded they be taxed at nearly the highest rates in the world. Be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, that must be it. It couldn't be the fact that you can hire 100 disposable Chinese workers for the price of a slushie.

Still costs a ton to ship all the raw materials to china, build them there, then ship them here (never mind the ecological concerns). Maybe if you could find it in your heart to give up a half of that pound of that flesh your gnawing on we could get some sustainable jobs in this country and help the environment.

Fart_Machine: "shart sharp as a tack".

/facepalm myself

relcec: Maybe if you hadn't demanded they be taxed at nearly the highest rates in the world. Be careful what you wish for.

LOLWUT?

johnsoninca: ragekage: Did the toppings contain potassium benzoate?

Can I go now?

No. Now you need to get your ass to the blizzardly planet. Put on these ancient spacesuits and go find us some pure water. A flying sand cloud thingy is drinking up the water supply and it just killed Goremann. We need water STAT!!!

Fart_Machine: Fart_Machine: "shart sharp as a tack".

/facepalm myself

Man, those keys aren't even anywhere near each other. Did you have an accident earlier and it was still on your mind?

That article was full of more than the usual dailykos FAIL.

It NEEDS to create jobs.

Why? Because you're unemployed? How about we have a "green revolution" where we throw out any machine and give you all hammers to bang crap together. Does that help anyone out?

This guy's almost screaming out "I want my bread and circuses!"

We invested actual money into these projects. We felt pride that the future was coming to our towns. We felt that finally, FINALLY, we did it the right way, our communities reinvented themselves and we're embracing the future and things are going to get better. Our massive, long term unemployment, growing homelessness, and expanding poverty rates were going to finally see some relief.

What this guy is pleading for is inefficiencies. He doesn't really care about carbon emissions -- what he wants is a way to pay for his Xbox 360.

And what does he want Obama to do? Stipulate that the most inefficient way of producing a good be done so that an unskilled laborer can have a job? I'll never understand that line of reasoning.

Actually I do understand it: it is the product of someone that just sees a pie and wants his "fair share" He can't see how to grow the pie at all.

Pocket Ninja [TotalFark]
Wait a minute. Obama is trying to create green jobs. Green. Green jobs. And there's a revolution in Iran called the green revolution. Green jobs, and green revolution. What the hell? Has anyone seen this connection? And China had Mao, and Mao had a red book, and red and green...my God, red and green. That's Christmas. Christmas...winter...November is in winter...the November Revolution? My God, what's going on here. Green...Mao...communism...Christmas. There's something here bigger than all of us. I can't see it all, it's too big. Stalin? The siege? Leningrad. Lenin. They burned Ukraine...Ukraine. K. There's a K in Ukraine. K. Kenya. Kenya! Christmas in Kenya...Mao...red...green...Lizards are green. Lizards...V. Aliens! Aliens! Holy hell, I'm not sure what's going on here, but this is bad. This is really bad.


Pocket Ninja, it's really pretty scary how well you do this...

relcec: Maybe if you hadn't demanded they be taxed at nearly the highest rates in the world. Be careful what you wish for.

The taxes are too high reasoning seems kind of simplistic to me. But maybe Japan is having a mass (new window) exodus of business to that I haven't heard about though.

lelio: That article was full of more than the usual dailykos FAIL.

It NEEDS to create jobs.

Why? Because you're unemployed? How about we have a "green revolution" where we throw out any machine and give you all hammers to bang crap together. Does that help anyone out?

This guy's almost screaming out "I want my bread and circuses!"

We invested actual money into these projects. We felt pride that the future was coming to our towns. We felt that finally, FINALLY, we did it the right way, our communities reinvented themselves and we're embracing the future and things are going to get better. Our massive, long term unemployment, growing homelessness, and expanding poverty rates were going to finally see some relief.

What this guy is pleading for is inefficiencies. He doesn't really care about carbon emissions -- what he wants is a way to pay for his Xbox 360.

And what does he want Obama to do? Stipulate that the most inefficient way of producing a good be done so that an unskilled laborer can have a job? I'll never understand that line of reasoning.

Actually I do understand it: it is the product of someone that just sees a pie and wants his "fair share" He can't see how to grow the pie at all.

its easy. you grow the pie by getting a pie crust at the store. then u put your items in there. like sugar and brown sugar and eggs and if its a weird pie, you put some cheese and spinach in there, or maybe some meatballs. then you mix it, and put in the oven. the pie is growned

badhatharry: There are some jobs that Americans just won't do.

These are not them.

Then 2000 "jobs" weren't created with the stimulus money. To say that it was so - would be a lie. It only counts if the jobs were created within the United States. Jobs created in other countries cannot and should not be counted.

INTERTRON: badhatharry: There are some jobs that Americans just won't do.

These are not them.

most jobs that americans wanna do, they pay others to do them first. i'm not cleaning the toilets up. my job is gonna be important. YOU YOU clean toilet THERE. NOW. is my dream job.

Creating jobs in India and China is a good thing when Corporate America does it.

This doesn't make any sense.

It takes 2000 people overseas to make the wind turbines but once they're all up and running they'll only be 30 people on staff to run them?

I kinda find that unlikely unless wind turbines are insanely self-sustaining and need almost no maintence at all...

But... it also says there are 300 local construction jobs. What are they building if not the turbines?

/It doesn't really add up at all...

Fart_Machine: relcec: Maybe if you hadn't demanded they be taxed at nearly the highest rates in the world. Be careful what you wish for.

LOLWUT?

Where did you dig that up? Why not the one that shows what U.S. corporate tax rates are? Oh yeah it shows how high ours are compared to almost everyone else. Whenever someone switches to GDP, when there is a better data set, you just know they are full of crap. Additionally, everyone else appears to be trying to cut corporate taxes to attract jobs, except us. Thanks for everything libs.

OECD Corporate Tax Rates - Federal Plus Provincial/State 2008

Rank Country Corporate
Income Tax
Rate 2008



1 Japan 39.54
2 United States 39.25
3 France 34.43
4 Belgium 33.99
5 Canada 33.50
6 Luxembourg 30.38
7 Germany 30.18
8 Australia 30.00
9 New Zealand 30.00
10 Spain 30.00

Link (new window)

relcec: Maybe if you hadn't demanded they be taxed at nearly the highest rates in the world. Be careful what you wish for.

I bet my tax refund we're not even in the top 10. How many countries are there in western europe?

relcec: Whenever someone switches to GDP, when there is a better data set, you just know they are full of crap.

You mean from an organization that starts with the premise that the US needs to cut corporate tax rates then goes backwards to prove their conclusion?

the_falling_duck: relcec: Maybe if you hadn't demanded they be taxed at nearly the highest rates in the world. Be careful what you wish for.

The taxes are too high reasoning seems kind of simplistic to me. But maybe Japan is having a mass (new window) exodus of business to that I haven't heard about though.

Your right there is no such thing as the lost decade in Japan. They have something weird going on with their job numbers and has been for decades. They have full employment that puts full employment to shame in the rest of the western world to shame, usually half the unemployment rate. I've never heard if it was legit or some numbers game they are running with thte data.

Simplistic? How many other things do you disca becuase they are too simple for your liking? Gravity?

Country B taxes at a 15% lower rate for U.S. operations, Country B has equivalent labor and start up costs but gets the capital investment. It's never that simple but your wrong if you don't think shaving 10-30% extra off the potential profit will make some businesses leave (especially low margin businesses and those that can get out), I don't know what to tell you.

So continue to ignore the evidence and put our workers at a disadvantage, thanks.