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jj325 [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 01:12:22 PM
Don't discount those republican wins in the governor races. Remember when Romney was governor of Mass. and the state became a conservative stronghold in national politics.
 
RminusQ [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 01:25:34 PM
Hey Nancy Pelosi. Shut the fark up and don't say another goddamn word until we have a public option.
 
Lando Lincoln [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 01:47:23 PM
Yes, the Democrats DID win two Representative seats, and lost none. As the leader of the House of Representatives, I can see why she thinks that last night was a winning night.
 
MuadDib [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:03:24 PM
FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?
 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:33:07 PM
Lando Lincoln: Yes, the Democrats DID win two Representative seats, and lost none. As the leader of the House of Representatives, I can see why she thinks that last night was a winning night.

I like to think that until she is ousted from that position, winning is not an option.
 
GAT_00 [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:33:43 PM
Lando Lincoln: Yes, the Democrats DID win two Representative seats, and lost none. As the leader of the House of Representatives, I can see why she thinks that last night was a winning night.
 
Barbigazi [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:34:36 PM
MuadDib: FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

look at your link, that Dem. was elected to the 21st district. Go ahead, click on his name.
 
BooBoo23 [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:35:53 PM
MuadDib: Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

The difference is that the Civil War figure is accurate and "since 1993" is not.

www.change.org
 
MuadDib [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:41:06 PM
Barbigazi: MuadDib: FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

look at your link, that Dem. was elected to the 21st district. Go ahead, click on his name.

Incorrect. He replaced Samuel S. Stratton (^) on the ballot for the 23rd when Stratton became too ill to stay on. He was later redistricted to the 21st.

Scroll down to the bottom of his page that you just suggested we go to. It plainly states that he was a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from New York's 23rd congressional district 1989-1993," and then a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from New York's 21st congressional district January 3, 1993 - January 3, 2009."
 
MuadDib [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:44:01 PM
BooBoo23: MuadDib: Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

The difference is that the Civil War figure is accurate and "since 1993" is not.

img33.imageshack.us

See above.
 
Barbigazi [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:45:19 PM
MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

look at your link, that Dem. was elected to the 21st district. Go ahead, click on his name.

Incorrect. He replaced Samuel S. Stratton (^) on the ballot for the 23rd when Stratton became too ill to stay on. He was later redistricted to the 21st.

Scroll down to the bottom of his page that you just suggested we go to. It plainly states that he was a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from New York's 23rd congressional district 1989-1993," and then a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from New York's 21st congressional district January 3, 1993 - January 3, 2009."

During which time 23 covered a different part of the state that included Albany. Man, you posted this link in two threads but didn't even look into it.
 
Obdicut
2009-11-04 02:48:57 PM
MuadDib: See above.

Uh.. doesn't that mean that the district number changed?

I mean, the 23rd was in the Bronx in 1973.
 
GAT_00 [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:49:44 PM
Barbigazi: During which time 23 covered a different part of the state that included Albany. Man, you posted this link in two threads but didn't even look into it.

He saw a blue name, didn't bother looking into the facts. The fact is that the district, as is today, hasn't elected a Democrat since Lincoln, and such a conservative district firmly rejected the current GOP. That is the story here.
 
MuadDib [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:50:16 PM
Barbigazi: MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

look at your link, that Dem. was elected to the 21st district. Go ahead, click on his name.

Incorrect. He replaced Samuel S. Stratton (^) on the ballot for the 23rd when Stratton became too ill to stay on. He was later redistricted to the 21st.

Scroll down to the bottom of his page that you just suggested we go to. It plainly states that he was a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from New York's 23rd congressional district 1989-1993," and then a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from New York's 21st congressional district January 3, 1993 - January 3, 2009."

During which time 23 covered a different part of the state that included Albany. Man, you posted this link in two threads but didn't even look into it.

There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.
 
Mordant [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:52:24 PM
Man, you libs got owned hard this time. I looked at the link and there was clearly a blue name in there. I also saw the numbers 2 and 3 scattered throughout the page as a subliminal reinforcement of the point, along with the letter "D" which was used multiple times.

Give it up guys, you are no match.
 
Barbigazi [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:53:46 PM
MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

look at your link, that Dem. was elected to the 21st district. Go ahead, click on his name.

Incorrect. He replaced Samuel S. Stratton (^) on the ballot for the 23rd when Stratton became too ill to stay on. He was later redistricted to the 21st.

Scroll down to the bottom of his page that you just suggested we go to. It plainly states that he was a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from New York's 23rd congressional district 1989-1993," and then a "Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from New York's 21st congressional district January 3, 1993 - January 3, 2009."

During which time 23 covered a different part of the state that included Albany. Man, you posted this link in two threads but didn't even look into it.

There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.

Now if you can prove that the district covering that area (whatever arbitrary number it had)elected a democrat since the civil war, then you'd have a point.

Unless you are arguing that the people moved with the district number not the numbers moving as population changed in different areas.
 
Obdicut
2009-11-04 02:54:16 PM
MuadDib: There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.

Hee hee.

Yes, you win. Here's your cookie.

The 23rd had historically been one of the more Republican districts in the Northeast. The seat had been in Republican hands since 1873, and some portions of the district--including the largest city, Watertown--hadn't been represented by a Democrat since 1851, when the Whig Party still existed.

Link (new window)
 
Lando Lincoln [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:55:34 PM
MuadDib: There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.

There is a geographical region called "northern New York." It was represented by a Republican since reconstruction. Now it is not. This fact is not in dispute. You're arguing about a number. We're arguing about a region.
 
Hung Like A Tic-Tac
2009-11-04 02:55:45 PM
Mordant: Man, you libs got owned hard this time. I looked at the link and there was clearly a blue name in there. I also saw the numbers 2 and 3 scattered throughout the page as a subliminal reinforcement of the point, along with the letter "D" which was used multiple times.

Give it up guys, you are no match.

Meannie. your gonna make me cry *snif*
 
Mordant [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 02:57:20 PM
Also of interest, if you take the number of letters in the word "Democrat" and add 15 you know what you get ?
 
Hung Like A Tic-Tac
2009-11-04 02:58:35 PM
Mordant: Also of interest, if you take the number of letters in the word "Democrat" and add 15 you know what you get ?

Hitler?
 
MuadDib [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:00:50 PM
Barbigazi: MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib:

Now if you can prove that the district covering that area (whatever arbitrary number it had)elected a democrat since the civil war, then you'd have a point.

Unless you are arguing that the people moved with the district number not the numbers moving as population changed in different areas.

We have a word for this game: It's "spin."

The seat has shifted around and the geographical areas it comprises have been parts of several districts over that period. So what? I can gerrymander a district with nothing but cows in it if I try hard enough. The seat is the seat, regardless of the way the politicians shift it about.
 
Obdicut
2009-11-04 03:04:08 PM
MuadDib: The seat is the seat, regardless of the way the politicians shift it about.

We have a word for this game: It's "spin."

Do you think that talking about an arbitrary seat number, or a geographical region, is more meaningful?
 
MuadDib [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:05:23 PM
Pelosi's words: "it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat." Those are false.
 
Gosling
2009-11-04 03:05:52 PM
Technically, Pelosi is in fact correct. There was a grand total of one House seat up for grabs. It was unsuccessfully defended, and fell to the Democrats.

Pelosi gained one seat in the House, so yeah, her side of the House won last night.
 
Barbigazi [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:07:16 PM
MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib: Barbigazi: MuadDib:

Now if you can prove that the district covering that area (whatever arbitrary number it had)elected a democrat since the civil war, then you'd have a point.

Unless you are arguing that the people moved with the district number not the numbers moving as population changed in different areas.

We have a word for this game: It's "spin."

The seat has shifted around and the geographical areas it comprises have been parts of several districts over that period. So what? I can gerrymander a district with nothing but cows in it if I try hard enough. The seat is the seat, regardless of the way the politicians shift it about.

The seat doesn't vote for itself. The people who make up what is currently NY-23 and their parents and their parent's parents have had republican representation since the civil war.

You've chosen to take the seat number and run with it. Good luck with that.

On topic though, of the two (2) congressional elections yesterday two (2) Democratic candidates won.
 
Gosling
2009-11-04 03:07:50 PM
MuadDib: There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.

They renumber the seats every so often. The Reconstruction figure refers to the area of the country being represented, not the number of the seat.
 
DamnYankees [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:08:15 PM
MuadDib: The seat is the seat, regardless of the way the politicians shift it about.

You're either really dumb or really partisan.

The relevant part of "NY-23" is not "the number". It's "the portion of land you are referring to". Numbers are arbitrary and change all the time. The point is that this *area* has not elected a Democrat since the 19th century.

This would be as if Alabama changed its name to Maine, and then you came on here and said "Maine voted for a Democrat in 2008!"

It's retarded.
 
Mordant [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:08:30 PM
Obdicut: MuadDib: The seat is the seat, regardless of the way the politicians shift it about.

We have a word for this game: It's "spin."

Do you think that talking about an arbitrary seat number, or a geographical region, is more meaningful?

Don't your liberal "scientists" believe in silly ideas like plate tectonics and continental drift ? technically the so-called geographic region you speak of could once have been in a different configuration entirely and been populated by mostly wildlife. It's obvious that a number is far more substantial. In my lifetime, the number 23 has always had the same value.
 
MuadDib [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:08:47 PM
Gosling: MuadDib: There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.

They renumber the seats every so often. The Reconstruction figure refers to the area of the country being represented, not the number of the seat.

I expect the Speaker of the House to know the difference between a seat and a region.
 
DamnYankees [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:09:56 PM
Gosling: Technically, Pelosi is in fact correct. There was a grand total of one House seat up for grabs. It was unsuccessfully defended, and fell to the Democrats.

Pelosi gained one seat in the House, so yeah, her side of the House won last night.

There were 2 House seats up for grabs last night. Dems nabbed both, defending one and gaining the other.
 
Hung Like A Tic-Tac
2009-11-04 03:10:35 PM
MuadDib: Pelosi's words: "it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat." Those are false.

So she literally meant "seat" when she said that, and not "district"?
 
Obdicut
2009-11-04 03:11:18 PM
MuadDib: I expect the Speaker of the House to know the difference between a seat and a region.

Are you outraged?

You should write her a stern letter. She totally misrepresented the truth. After all, it's the number of the district, not the area, that's really important. You, and only you, have the wisdom to see this.

Yours is a lonely and proud struggle.

Mordant: Don't your liberal "scientists" believe in silly ideas like plate tectonics and continental drift ? technically the so-called geographic region you speak of could once have been in a different configuration entirely and been populated by mostly wildlife. It's obvious that a number is far more substantial. In my lifetime, the number 23 has always had the same value.

I have just one question: How did the oil get there?
 
Barbigazi [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:11:39 PM
MuadDib: Gosling: MuadDib: There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.

They renumber the seats every so often. The Reconstruction figure refers to the area of the country being represented, not the number of the seat.

I expect the Speaker of the House to know the difference between a seat and a region.

Derp derp derp.

You know he didn't actually win a CHAIR!! THE OUTRAGE!!
 
sweetmelissa31 [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:11:56 PM
MuadDib: False (^)

That looks like bad news... for the Whig Party.
 
MuadDib [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:13:11 PM
Hung Like A Tic-Tac: MuadDib: Pelosi's words: "it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat." Those are false.

So she literally meant "seat" when she said that, and not "district"?

I would never claim to grasp how Nancy Pelosi's mind works (for lack of a better term) but she used the word twice. Presumably she knows what it means.

And yes, I am being extremely, purposefully pedantic. This is how the Politics tab has taught me it likes to argue.
 
Mordant [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:14:02 PM
Hung Like A Tic-Tac: MuadDib: Pelosi's words: "it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat." Those are false.

So she literally meant "seat" when she said that, and not "district"?

Yes, literally. And MuadDib sniffed the cushion and recognized immediately that the aroma of Republican he was accustomed to had been tainted at some point in the last 20 years.
 
elchip
2009-11-04 03:14:13 PM
MuadDib: Gosling: MuadDib: There is a seat called 'NY-23.' It was held by a Democrat 16 years ago. It was not therefore held by a Republican since Reconstruction. These facts are not in dispute. End of discussion.

They renumber the seats every so often. The Reconstruction figure refers to the area of the country being represented, not the number of the seat.

I expect the Speaker of the House to know the difference between a seat and a region.

I think you're being overly pedantic.
 
Barbigazi [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:14:16 PM
Obdicut: MuadDib: I expect the Speaker of the House to know the difference between a seat and a region.

Are you outraged?

You should write her a stern letter. She totally misrepresented the truth. After all, it's the number of the district, not the area, that's really important. You, and only you, have the wisdom to see this.

Yours is a lonely and proud struggle.

Mordant: Don't your liberal "scientists" believe in silly ideas like plate tectonics and continental drift ? technically the so-called geographic region you speak of could once have been in a different configuration entirely and been populated by mostly wildlife. It's obvious that a number is far more substantial. In my lifetime, the number 23 has always had the same value.

I have just one question: How did the oil get there?

Jesus sacrificed his only begotten dinosaur.
 
DamnYankees [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:14:19 PM
MuadDib: And yes, I am being extremely, purposefully pedantic. This is how the Politics tab has taught me it likes to argue.

You are a liar. This is false. A 'tab' cannot teach you anything. It doesn't have that agency. You goddamm liar.
 
MuadDib [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:14:25 PM
sweetmelissa31: MuadDib: False (^)

That looks like bad news... for the Whig Party.

Now that's funny.

Well played.
 
MuadDib [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:15:13 PM
DamnYankees: MuadDib: And yes, I am being extremely, purposefully pedantic. This is how the Politics tab has taught me it likes to argue.

You are a liar. This is false. A 'tab' cannot teach you anything. It doesn't have that agency. You goddamm liar.

I concede the point.

Also well played.
 
Obdicut
2009-11-04 03:15:41 PM
MuadDib: And yes, I am being extremely, purposefully pedantic. This is how the Politics tab has taught me it likes to argue.

Hee hee. They old "I mean to be arguing like a dumbass" excuse. This is the "I learned it from you!!!" version.

How sad.
 
Hung Like A Tic-Tac
2009-11-04 03:16:00 PM
MuadDib: Hung Like A Tic-Tac: MuadDib: Pelosi's words: "it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat." Those are false.

So she literally meant "seat" when she said that, and not "district"?

I would never claim to grasp how Nancy Pelosi's mind works (for lack of a better term) but she used the word twice. Presumably she knows what it means.

And yes, I am being extremely, purposefully pedantic. This is how the Politics tab has taught me it likes to argue.

Hey, if it works for ya...

Mordant

lol
 
elchip
2009-11-04 03:23:07 PM
1988: Bush I (R) elected President
1989: Florio (D) elected Governor of New Jersey

1992: Clinton (D) elected President
1993: Whitman (R) elected Governor of New Jersey

1996: Clinton (D) re-elected President
1997: Whitman (R) re-elected Governor of New Jersey

2000: Bush II (R) elected President
2001: McGreevey (D) elected Governor of New Jersey

2004: Bush II (R) re-elected President
2005: Corzine (D) elected Governor of New Jersey

2008: Obama (D) elected President
2009: Christie (R) elected Governor of New Jersey

---

1976: Carter (D) elected President
1977: Dalton (R) elected Governor of Virginia

1980: Reagan (R) elected President
1981: Robb (D) elected Governor of Virginia

1984: Reagan (R) re-elected President
1985: Baliles (D) elected Governor of Virginia

1988: Bush I (R) elected President
1989: Wilder (D) elected Governor of Virginia

1992: Clinton (D) elected President
1993: Allen (R) elected Governor of Virginia

1996: Clinton (D) re-elected President
1997: Gilmore (R) elected Governor of Virginia

2000: Bush II (R) elected President
2001: Warner (D) elected Governor of Virginia

2004: Bush II (R) re-elected President
2005: Kaine (D) elected Governor of Virginia

2008: Obama (D) elected President
2009: McDonnell (R) elected Governor of Virginia

Is this spin? Yeah. But so is claiming that OBAMA IS DOOMED
 
Gosling
2009-11-04 03:24:56 PM
DamnYankees: There were 2 House seats up for grabs last night. Dems nabbed both, defending one and gaining the other.

This is the first I've heard of the other one. It had to have been really uneventful.
 
elchip
2009-11-04 03:26:00 PM
Gosling: DamnYankees: There were 2 House seats up for grabs last night. Dems nabbed both, defending one and gaining the other.

This is the first I've heard of the other one. It had to have been really uneventful.

Maybe there was a State House election in his area and he's confusing the two?
 
DamnYankees [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:27:42 PM
elchip: Gosling: DamnYankees: There were 2 House seats up for grabs last night. Dems nabbed both, defending one and gaining the other.

This is the first I've heard of the other one. It had to have been really uneventful.

Maybe there was a State House election in his area and he's confusing the two?

CA-10
 
MuadDib [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:29:52 PM
Gosling: DamnYankees: There were 2 House seats up for grabs last night. Dems nabbed both, defending one and gaining the other.

This is the first I've heard of the other one. It had to have been really uneventful.

Very. It's in CA, and no Republican had exceeded 35% since redistricting. Until yesterday, when the Republican got 43% (IIRC). Obviously the Democrats held the seat anyway.
 
bronyaur1 [TotalFark]
2009-11-04 03:37:41 PM
MuadDib: FTA: We had one race that we were engaged in, it was in northern New York, it was a race where a Republican has held the seat since the Civil War. And we won that seat.

False (^)

Since the Civil War, since 1993... what's the difference?

Was that district under a different number....? Or was Fox "News" assigning the party affiliations on that Wikipedia page?
 
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